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I made a minor edit in the 'CCR in other media' section. I changed "This was only the third that a song not written by the crew of Stargate" to "This was only the third time that a song not written by the crew of Stargate"
Oxymoron 02 22:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
John Fogerty played at glastonbury, dunno if it was the whole band or not but might be good to add that if anyone knows.
I was wondering, when was "Have you ever seen the rain" released, wasn't it their most famous song?
Answer: "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" was on the 1970 album, "Pendulum" their last album (I don't count "Mardi Gras") ( Rogerd 03:09, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC))
I would say Proud Mary was their most famous song, but there are so many, "Born On The Bayou", "Lookin' Out My Back Door", "Willie and the Poorboys", "Travelin' Band", "Fortunate Son", "Who'll Stop The Rain" (the other "Rain" song) were all famous, it would be hard to say which ones were the "most" famous (or at least second to "Proud Mary") ( Rogerd 03:09, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC))
I believe Fortunate Son is their most famous song because first it is in the movie Forrest Gump and second that's the song most people think about when they think about Vietnam. Just my pov but I like all the songs.
"Travelin' Band" and "Bad Moon Rising" are their most famous songs, espically outside the US. Maybe in the US it is "Proud Mary" followed by those, but outside the US "Proud Mary" is better know in it's versions by Elvis Presley and Tina Turner. 74.65.39.59 11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Theres no way rate which song was their most famous. Theres at least five songs anyone can argue is their most popular song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.225.151 ( talk) 05:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone have a problem with moving CCR (disambiguation) to CCR, instead of the redirect to Creedence Clearwater Revival that is there currently? I'm a big CCR fan myself, but somehow I don't think they are that important that they warrant monopolizing that TLA. (Also, some very energetic soul must have gone through and fixed all the links to CCR, because there are basically none, and it would be nice not to waste all that effort! :-) Noel (talk) 21:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The CCR and CCR (disambiguation) pages are now merged into one. Engineer Bob 01:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
"Willy and the Poorboys" is not a song. In fact it is the fourth LP of CCR. Including Fortunate son and "Down on the corner" as hitsongs. released in 1969. produced by John Fogerty.
Does anyone have information what the band's name means? —the preceding unsigned comment is by 195.148.191.82 ( talk • contribs) 14:02, June 4, 2005
Creedence is from one of Tom Fogerty's co-workers, a South African man named Credence Nuball. Clearwater is a reference to the bands interest in the environment, and Revival refers to the commitment the four band members made to each other to try and make it to the big time. -- bigboy99 00:00 AM 15 Dec (UTC)
Hmmm ... while looking up something entirely different, I have just found a reference in the Wiki article on the Second Great Awakening (early 19th century) that says ... "one of the early camp meetings [that is, a "revival meeting"] took place in July 1800 at Creedance Clearwater Church in southwestern Kentucky." This strikes me as a fairly plausible source for the band's name - more so than three random words, or a South African co-worker!
Plausible, yes. True, no. This has been the band's story since their first interview.
Liner notes from the Time/Life album "Creedence Clear Water" states that "clearwater" came from an anti-pollution commercial. 148.85.226.251 ( talk) 00:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I received a question as to why I unlinked "golliwogs" on this page. There is no existing article on The Golliwogs (CCRs original name) -- and in fact, that page is a redirect back to this article. The existing Golliwog article seems to have no special relevance to CCR, except perhaps to offer a possible explanation for the group's original name; if that is confirmed to be the case, I'd suggest that the sentence be edited to reflect that before the link is restored. Engineer Bob 19:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
According to an article on Ferris University's website, which draws from "A Brief History of CCR", the original band name came from the golliwog doll. They would sometimes perform "Brown-Eyed Girl" wearing afros, as a tribute to their namesake. There are other references, but that's the first one I came across. The original wording of the sentence shouldn't need to be changed; it clearly links to "golliwog", not "The Golliwogs". It's linked for informational purposes, to let readers know that the word "Golliwogs" wasn't just a nonsensical word. 66.193.191.10 17:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd say Engineer Bob is right that the sentence could be clarified somehow, but I do think the link should be there somewhere. I don't agree that it should be noted as a "possible" origin of the name, though - I think it's pretty clear that they intended to use that specific name. Kafziel 18:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the inputs -- I have restored the link to the Golliwogg article, with a parenthetical note. Engineer Bob 09:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Although the subject list is in a constant state of flux, CCR currently occupies position number 271 (based on total units sold) -- so this cross reference seems a bit silly. Any objections to deleting this link? Engineer Bob 05:33, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
The subject list is being considered for deletion, and as of tonight a vandal has deleted CCR from the list altogether. If I see no objections by this weekend, I plan to delete the link. Engineer Bob 01:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
God, the article is awfully short. Any CCR connoisseur who could improve this ?
No comment on objectivity? It pretty much is a hatchet job on John Fogerty. Sure the other guys wanted a say in the "financial side" of things. They wanted an equal cut without doing any of the work. Needs to be more balanced. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.73.52.194 ( talk • contribs) 11:22, October 4, 2006 (UTC)
I'll second the comment on objectivity. I'd like to see Fogerty's side of the arguments represented. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.205.47.63 ( talk • contribs) 13:25, February 4, 2007 (UTC)
On the other hand, Fogerty has never denied this version, while the remaining band members have stood by it for over 25 years.
There are several problems with this: 1) It smacks of original research; 2) It doesn't cite *any* sources for verification; 3) It completely lacks neutrality. Tomd1969 00:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding
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In the history section,
"Many have speculated that Fogerty did this in anticipation of poor sales, in order to prove to brother Tom (and the rest of world) that his songwriting had always been the real commercial talent behind the band's success."
The "his" is an unclear referent (John or Tom?). I would fix it, but I'm not a CCR maven and don't know myself. Skanar 21:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I would say that it's pretty clear; "Many have speculated that Fogerty did this in anticipation of poor sales, in order to prove to brother Tom"... just put "he" in place of the "Fogerty" and you'll see why... "he" did it to prove to brother Tom.
I recently purchased a CCR "Greatest Hits" CD that included "Suzie Q." But I was most disappointed to discover that the song version on the CD doesn't include the inter-verse guitar bridge that I'd always considered the most notable part of the song! :-(
Is there more than one version of this song out there, and if so, how do I determine which version is on a given CD before I buy it? Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.216.11.5 ( talk) 22:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
"Suzie Q" was originally released as a two-part single. Part one got the airplay. What you heard was in part two. The full 8:34 version is from their self-titled first album from 1968. [1] Steelbeard1 22:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
The links on this page to "Who'll Stop the Rain" go to an article about the movie, not the song itself. It's a well-enough known song; I think it deserves its own page. But at the very least, the link(s) here should be removed as they do not actually reference the song itself, but rather a movie titled after the song. 66.17.118.207 15:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem appropriate that by far the largest section of the CCR article is on life "After CCR." Perhaps a lot of that material could be moved to the John Fogerty article, and this article could be linked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.28.212 ( talk) 18:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
It may not seem to be at first, but it is. The "Life after CCR" bit is not just about John Fogerty. It contains a lot of information on lawsuits over CCR's music with the record label and how they are still well revered today (with lifetime awards, etc, etc). The parts that mention some of John's after achievements should not be deleted just to shorten this section. 74.65.39.59 11:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I do think, however, that the things not specifically pertaining to CCR, such as the individual members' solo careers, should perhaps be summarized with links to their own wikipedia pages. 70.22.232.141 19:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd swear I remember reading that this song was not about the Vietnam War at all, despite that being the common misconception. I remember that "he" (John Fogerty I guess) wrote this song after reading a statistic that there were 200 million privately owned guns in the US, and that that is what the song is about. I'm too lazy to look this stuff up though, so if someone else wants to, thanks.
Ok, well, I looked it up. I found this, though I don't know where he said it and to whom:
'"I think a lot of people thought that because of the times, but I was talking about America and the proliferation of guns, registered and otherwise. I'm a hunter and I'm not antigun, but I just thought that people were so gun-happy -- and there were so many guns uncontrolled that it really was dangerous, and it's even worse now. It's interesting that it has taken 20-odd years to get a movement on that position."
John Fogerty on "Run Through the Jungle"'
-so I removed the part about the song being a Vietnam protest song. Insert non-formatted text here
Is there any evidence to back up someone I know saying that he remembers when Creedence was just a bowling team that turned into a high school band?
I don't think the "CCR and Political Page" should be included in the list. Seems to have little CCR information (over any number of other fansites). Although, maybe I've missed it's significance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.204.185 ( talk) 14:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
On the Creedence Clearwater Revival album description, there's a reference that "Suzie Q." features John and Tom Fogerty on vocals. What is the source for this information? I've read countless bios on Creedence and never once have I read that Suzie Q. was a shared vocal effort between the Fogertys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.18 ( talk) 00:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
That is an incorrect reference. John was he only lead singer in Creedence. —Preceding
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It's pretty apparent when you use your ears... Tom was the original lead singer from the Golliwogs, he sings the second stanza from Suzi-Q... Boredom Swells ( talk) 06:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The second verse is John's voice through a bandpass (telephone) filter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexcoco ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Tom sang backup, you morons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.129.151 ( talk) 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't use CDs from the 90s/2000s as sources for production info. I don't see any of the original engineers listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.18 ( talk) 00:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
All sections in this article are too long.
I propose shortening Decline and fall and splitting it into at least two sections.
Chadwholovedme ( talk) 11:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Try reading a little faster. It's CCR! The story stops and starts in ways a writer couldn't think of. Oh2kaybec —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.157.243 ( talk) 08:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
It needs a substantial rewrite and more photos.
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The "in popular culture" section has too many trivial references, as a previous editor has noted. One reason for this is that J. Fogerty lost control of his music, and Fantasy since sold his music widely. [1] [2] So I propose that we delete what's there now, and replace it with this, and refer readers to Creedence Clearwater Revival in Media for the long list. (I'll go ahead with this unless someone objects.) DougHill ( talk) 21:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 05:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I got rid of a LOT of the distracting off-topic information and unneeded links. (The article doesn't need links to "urn" and "blood transfusion".) Also reduced the wordiness, passive language, and poor historicity (timeline problems and excessive contemporary solo career info) which were dragging the piece down.
I did add pertinent information about music, touring, and background. It was a lot of work, so I hope everyone likes it. 68Kustom ( talk) 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Somebody sent the article back into redundancy, so I had to restore it.
The article doesn't need a heading "Band History" since the article IS a band history. Also, sub-headings are confusing as they add another 'edit' link right under the main heading. Redundant and they add only empty space (and bytes).
I think the layout is fine as it is now. Adding headings and reworking titles to suit individual taste won't work, since the article was re-done with mass readership and readability well in mind. Thanks! 68Kustom ( talk) 10:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
156.34.226.160 ( talk) 00:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've uncovered the antagonist in this edit war and it is 68Kustom. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 12:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The link added to the infobox and to the EL section doesn't have any legal information showing any authenticity/permission or official status. If it is a fansite, and it looks like one, then it fails wp:el and will be removed until some validity can be shown that it is an official/authorised site. 156.34.226.160 ( talk) 00:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I began work on the intro, adding note worthiness and leaving out their full instrument/vocal credits which are covered later in the article. I also put in appropriate cites needed markers. I'll will work on the red linked songs later on if no one else does. Kresock ( talk) 02:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Added mention of the band's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1993 into the intro. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Um, is that photo right? It doesn't seem right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMALevin ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the photo... 3 out of 4 is better than nothing. I'd love to see another one of the four man lineup, but again thanks for a good start. Jusda fax 00:06, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Hey now that is a real improvement in the photo! Good to see all members of the band. Many thanks, Jus da fax 20:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
In the "Legacy" part: "Unlike most other rock artists of the day, they eschewed drug use"... What? This article seems to be written by some one who has only listened to CCR's Greatest Compilations and such and is not familiar with songs like Born to Move. But even the compilations usually include Lookin' Out My Back Door, and if that song is not about hallucinogens, then what is? Epifanes ( talk) 20:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
It really depends on what you call "drugs". Tom was friends with Jerry Garcia and played with him several times. That's not what I'd called "eschewing" drug use. In Northern Cali, marijuana is a "salad that you smoke", as the locals say. Irregardless, I don't think it's anyones business whether they used "drugs" or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.25.122 ( talk) 18:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
John has admitted to smoking marijuana occasionally, BUT he has also stated that his songs--and even Proud Mary and Lookin' Out my Backdoor--were NOT inspired by drug use and they were NOT meant to be references to drug use. Go to YouTube and watch CCR-The Concert, and during the interview segments you will see John Fogerty say that he "didn't dig that crap". And just because you think a song is about drug use doesn't mean it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.129.151 ( talk) 16:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Isn't that a bit...clinical? How about lineup or something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.228.231 ( talk) 17:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
This band is not properly described as "roots rock" in the lead sentence. Find a viable reference to claim otherwise. Rollingstone refers to them only as a "rock band" while allmusic mentions neither roots, nor swamp. Additionally, "roots rock" did not exist as a genre when the band was active. The lead sentence needs the word "roots" removed. - Steve3849 talk 02:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The current sources have nothing to do with the article. The prior sources a week ago were a blog and a personal geocities page. Music Project guidelines states lack of references to be "Start Class".
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Hello. Just a heads-up that I have acquired chart positions from Cashbox and added them, as well as the labels & numbers of the original U.S. pressings, to the CCR discography. I will be adding more Cashbox chart information to other discographies in the future. Half the fun is comparing these chart positions to the Billboard positions to see if they charted higher, lower, the same, or even not at all.
Any corrections, additions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks DYNAMIC D ( talk) 13:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted Y2kcrazyjoker4's 'improved' quote box back to the green one with the bold text. Please do not revert without talking it over here in discussion. Calling it "ridiculous styling" in an edit summary isn't the way to do this. Best, Jus da fax 15:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
"Up Around the Bend" was used in Remember the Titans. Who got the proceeds from that? 14:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC) 72.172.202.171 ( talk)
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I made a minor edit in the 'CCR in other media' section. I changed "This was only the third that a song not written by the crew of Stargate" to "This was only the third time that a song not written by the crew of Stargate"
Oxymoron 02 22:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
John Fogerty played at glastonbury, dunno if it was the whole band or not but might be good to add that if anyone knows.
I was wondering, when was "Have you ever seen the rain" released, wasn't it their most famous song?
Answer: "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" was on the 1970 album, "Pendulum" their last album (I don't count "Mardi Gras") ( Rogerd 03:09, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC))
I would say Proud Mary was their most famous song, but there are so many, "Born On The Bayou", "Lookin' Out My Back Door", "Willie and the Poorboys", "Travelin' Band", "Fortunate Son", "Who'll Stop The Rain" (the other "Rain" song) were all famous, it would be hard to say which ones were the "most" famous (or at least second to "Proud Mary") ( Rogerd 03:09, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC))
I believe Fortunate Son is their most famous song because first it is in the movie Forrest Gump and second that's the song most people think about when they think about Vietnam. Just my pov but I like all the songs.
"Travelin' Band" and "Bad Moon Rising" are their most famous songs, espically outside the US. Maybe in the US it is "Proud Mary" followed by those, but outside the US "Proud Mary" is better know in it's versions by Elvis Presley and Tina Turner. 74.65.39.59 11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Theres no way rate which song was their most famous. Theres at least five songs anyone can argue is their most popular song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.225.151 ( talk) 05:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone have a problem with moving CCR (disambiguation) to CCR, instead of the redirect to Creedence Clearwater Revival that is there currently? I'm a big CCR fan myself, but somehow I don't think they are that important that they warrant monopolizing that TLA. (Also, some very energetic soul must have gone through and fixed all the links to CCR, because there are basically none, and it would be nice not to waste all that effort! :-) Noel (talk) 21:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The CCR and CCR (disambiguation) pages are now merged into one. Engineer Bob 01:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
"Willy and the Poorboys" is not a song. In fact it is the fourth LP of CCR. Including Fortunate son and "Down on the corner" as hitsongs. released in 1969. produced by John Fogerty.
Does anyone have information what the band's name means? —the preceding unsigned comment is by 195.148.191.82 ( talk • contribs) 14:02, June 4, 2005
Creedence is from one of Tom Fogerty's co-workers, a South African man named Credence Nuball. Clearwater is a reference to the bands interest in the environment, and Revival refers to the commitment the four band members made to each other to try and make it to the big time. -- bigboy99 00:00 AM 15 Dec (UTC)
Hmmm ... while looking up something entirely different, I have just found a reference in the Wiki article on the Second Great Awakening (early 19th century) that says ... "one of the early camp meetings [that is, a "revival meeting"] took place in July 1800 at Creedance Clearwater Church in southwestern Kentucky." This strikes me as a fairly plausible source for the band's name - more so than three random words, or a South African co-worker!
Plausible, yes. True, no. This has been the band's story since their first interview.
Liner notes from the Time/Life album "Creedence Clear Water" states that "clearwater" came from an anti-pollution commercial. 148.85.226.251 ( talk) 00:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I received a question as to why I unlinked "golliwogs" on this page. There is no existing article on The Golliwogs (CCRs original name) -- and in fact, that page is a redirect back to this article. The existing Golliwog article seems to have no special relevance to CCR, except perhaps to offer a possible explanation for the group's original name; if that is confirmed to be the case, I'd suggest that the sentence be edited to reflect that before the link is restored. Engineer Bob 19:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
According to an article on Ferris University's website, which draws from "A Brief History of CCR", the original band name came from the golliwog doll. They would sometimes perform "Brown-Eyed Girl" wearing afros, as a tribute to their namesake. There are other references, but that's the first one I came across. The original wording of the sentence shouldn't need to be changed; it clearly links to "golliwog", not "The Golliwogs". It's linked for informational purposes, to let readers know that the word "Golliwogs" wasn't just a nonsensical word. 66.193.191.10 17:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd say Engineer Bob is right that the sentence could be clarified somehow, but I do think the link should be there somewhere. I don't agree that it should be noted as a "possible" origin of the name, though - I think it's pretty clear that they intended to use that specific name. Kafziel 18:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the inputs -- I have restored the link to the Golliwogg article, with a parenthetical note. Engineer Bob 09:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Although the subject list is in a constant state of flux, CCR currently occupies position number 271 (based on total units sold) -- so this cross reference seems a bit silly. Any objections to deleting this link? Engineer Bob 05:33, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
The subject list is being considered for deletion, and as of tonight a vandal has deleted CCR from the list altogether. If I see no objections by this weekend, I plan to delete the link. Engineer Bob 01:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
God, the article is awfully short. Any CCR connoisseur who could improve this ?
No comment on objectivity? It pretty much is a hatchet job on John Fogerty. Sure the other guys wanted a say in the "financial side" of things. They wanted an equal cut without doing any of the work. Needs to be more balanced. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.73.52.194 ( talk • contribs) 11:22, October 4, 2006 (UTC)
I'll second the comment on objectivity. I'd like to see Fogerty's side of the arguments represented. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.205.47.63 ( talk • contribs) 13:25, February 4, 2007 (UTC)
On the other hand, Fogerty has never denied this version, while the remaining band members have stood by it for over 25 years.
There are several problems with this: 1) It smacks of original research; 2) It doesn't cite *any* sources for verification; 3) It completely lacks neutrality. Tomd1969 00:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding
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In the history section,
"Many have speculated that Fogerty did this in anticipation of poor sales, in order to prove to brother Tom (and the rest of world) that his songwriting had always been the real commercial talent behind the band's success."
The "his" is an unclear referent (John or Tom?). I would fix it, but I'm not a CCR maven and don't know myself. Skanar 21:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I would say that it's pretty clear; "Many have speculated that Fogerty did this in anticipation of poor sales, in order to prove to brother Tom"... just put "he" in place of the "Fogerty" and you'll see why... "he" did it to prove to brother Tom.
I recently purchased a CCR "Greatest Hits" CD that included "Suzie Q." But I was most disappointed to discover that the song version on the CD doesn't include the inter-verse guitar bridge that I'd always considered the most notable part of the song! :-(
Is there more than one version of this song out there, and if so, how do I determine which version is on a given CD before I buy it? Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.216.11.5 ( talk) 22:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
"Suzie Q" was originally released as a two-part single. Part one got the airplay. What you heard was in part two. The full 8:34 version is from their self-titled first album from 1968. [1] Steelbeard1 22:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
The links on this page to "Who'll Stop the Rain" go to an article about the movie, not the song itself. It's a well-enough known song; I think it deserves its own page. But at the very least, the link(s) here should be removed as they do not actually reference the song itself, but rather a movie titled after the song. 66.17.118.207 15:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem appropriate that by far the largest section of the CCR article is on life "After CCR." Perhaps a lot of that material could be moved to the John Fogerty article, and this article could be linked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.28.212 ( talk) 18:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
It may not seem to be at first, but it is. The "Life after CCR" bit is not just about John Fogerty. It contains a lot of information on lawsuits over CCR's music with the record label and how they are still well revered today (with lifetime awards, etc, etc). The parts that mention some of John's after achievements should not be deleted just to shorten this section. 74.65.39.59 11:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I do think, however, that the things not specifically pertaining to CCR, such as the individual members' solo careers, should perhaps be summarized with links to their own wikipedia pages. 70.22.232.141 19:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd swear I remember reading that this song was not about the Vietnam War at all, despite that being the common misconception. I remember that "he" (John Fogerty I guess) wrote this song after reading a statistic that there were 200 million privately owned guns in the US, and that that is what the song is about. I'm too lazy to look this stuff up though, so if someone else wants to, thanks.
Ok, well, I looked it up. I found this, though I don't know where he said it and to whom:
'"I think a lot of people thought that because of the times, but I was talking about America and the proliferation of guns, registered and otherwise. I'm a hunter and I'm not antigun, but I just thought that people were so gun-happy -- and there were so many guns uncontrolled that it really was dangerous, and it's even worse now. It's interesting that it has taken 20-odd years to get a movement on that position."
John Fogerty on "Run Through the Jungle"'
-so I removed the part about the song being a Vietnam protest song. Insert non-formatted text here
Is there any evidence to back up someone I know saying that he remembers when Creedence was just a bowling team that turned into a high school band?
I don't think the "CCR and Political Page" should be included in the list. Seems to have little CCR information (over any number of other fansites). Although, maybe I've missed it's significance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.204.185 ( talk) 14:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
On the Creedence Clearwater Revival album description, there's a reference that "Suzie Q." features John and Tom Fogerty on vocals. What is the source for this information? I've read countless bios on Creedence and never once have I read that Suzie Q. was a shared vocal effort between the Fogertys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.18 ( talk) 00:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
That is an incorrect reference. John was he only lead singer in Creedence. —Preceding
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It's pretty apparent when you use your ears... Tom was the original lead singer from the Golliwogs, he sings the second stanza from Suzi-Q... Boredom Swells ( talk) 06:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The second verse is John's voice through a bandpass (telephone) filter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexcoco ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Tom sang backup, you morons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.129.151 ( talk) 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't use CDs from the 90s/2000s as sources for production info. I don't see any of the original engineers listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.18 ( talk) 00:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
All sections in this article are too long.
I propose shortening Decline and fall and splitting it into at least two sections.
Chadwholovedme ( talk) 11:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Try reading a little faster. It's CCR! The story stops and starts in ways a writer couldn't think of. Oh2kaybec —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.157.243 ( talk) 08:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
It needs a substantial rewrite and more photos.
68Kustom (
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05:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The "in popular culture" section has too many trivial references, as a previous editor has noted. One reason for this is that J. Fogerty lost control of his music, and Fantasy since sold his music widely. [1] [2] So I propose that we delete what's there now, and replace it with this, and refer readers to Creedence Clearwater Revival in Media for the long list. (I'll go ahead with this unless someone objects.) DougHill ( talk) 21:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 05:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I got rid of a LOT of the distracting off-topic information and unneeded links. (The article doesn't need links to "urn" and "blood transfusion".) Also reduced the wordiness, passive language, and poor historicity (timeline problems and excessive contemporary solo career info) which were dragging the piece down.
I did add pertinent information about music, touring, and background. It was a lot of work, so I hope everyone likes it. 68Kustom ( talk) 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Somebody sent the article back into redundancy, so I had to restore it.
The article doesn't need a heading "Band History" since the article IS a band history. Also, sub-headings are confusing as they add another 'edit' link right under the main heading. Redundant and they add only empty space (and bytes).
I think the layout is fine as it is now. Adding headings and reworking titles to suit individual taste won't work, since the article was re-done with mass readership and readability well in mind. Thanks! 68Kustom ( talk) 10:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
156.34.226.160 ( talk) 00:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've uncovered the antagonist in this edit war and it is 68Kustom. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 12:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The link added to the infobox and to the EL section doesn't have any legal information showing any authenticity/permission or official status. If it is a fansite, and it looks like one, then it fails wp:el and will be removed until some validity can be shown that it is an official/authorised site. 156.34.226.160 ( talk) 00:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I began work on the intro, adding note worthiness and leaving out their full instrument/vocal credits which are covered later in the article. I also put in appropriate cites needed markers. I'll will work on the red linked songs later on if no one else does. Kresock ( talk) 02:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Added mention of the band's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1993 into the intro. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Um, is that photo right? It doesn't seem right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMALevin ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the photo... 3 out of 4 is better than nothing. I'd love to see another one of the four man lineup, but again thanks for a good start. Jusda fax 00:06, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Hey now that is a real improvement in the photo! Good to see all members of the band. Many thanks, Jus da fax 20:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
In the "Legacy" part: "Unlike most other rock artists of the day, they eschewed drug use"... What? This article seems to be written by some one who has only listened to CCR's Greatest Compilations and such and is not familiar with songs like Born to Move. But even the compilations usually include Lookin' Out My Back Door, and if that song is not about hallucinogens, then what is? Epifanes ( talk) 20:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
It really depends on what you call "drugs". Tom was friends with Jerry Garcia and played with him several times. That's not what I'd called "eschewing" drug use. In Northern Cali, marijuana is a "salad that you smoke", as the locals say. Irregardless, I don't think it's anyones business whether they used "drugs" or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.25.122 ( talk) 18:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
John has admitted to smoking marijuana occasionally, BUT he has also stated that his songs--and even Proud Mary and Lookin' Out my Backdoor--were NOT inspired by drug use and they were NOT meant to be references to drug use. Go to YouTube and watch CCR-The Concert, and during the interview segments you will see John Fogerty say that he "didn't dig that crap". And just because you think a song is about drug use doesn't mean it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.129.151 ( talk) 16:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Isn't that a bit...clinical? How about lineup or something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.228.231 ( talk) 17:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
This band is not properly described as "roots rock" in the lead sentence. Find a viable reference to claim otherwise. Rollingstone refers to them only as a "rock band" while allmusic mentions neither roots, nor swamp. Additionally, "roots rock" did not exist as a genre when the band was active. The lead sentence needs the word "roots" removed. - Steve3849 talk 02:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The current sources have nothing to do with the article. The prior sources a week ago were a blog and a personal geocities page. Music Project guidelines states lack of references to be "Start Class".
- Steve3849
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Hello. Just a heads-up that I have acquired chart positions from Cashbox and added them, as well as the labels & numbers of the original U.S. pressings, to the CCR discography. I will be adding more Cashbox chart information to other discographies in the future. Half the fun is comparing these chart positions to the Billboard positions to see if they charted higher, lower, the same, or even not at all.
Any corrections, additions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks DYNAMIC D ( talk) 13:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted Y2kcrazyjoker4's 'improved' quote box back to the green one with the bold text. Please do not revert without talking it over here in discussion. Calling it "ridiculous styling" in an edit summary isn't the way to do this. Best, Jus da fax 15:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
"Up Around the Bend" was used in Remember the Titans. Who got the proceeds from that? 14:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC) 72.172.202.171 ( talk)