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This article is virtually useless for most of the people who will be using it. The primary readers of this page are likely to be business and economics students looking to get an overview of the Schumpeterian model of Creative Destruction. Instead they are bombarded with a lot of Neo-Marxist philosophy based on Sombart's use of the term in a broken-widows style fallacy. This article should be completely re-written from the Schumpeterian point of view, with the Marxist elements added as an "Other interpretations" section" Aronradix ( talk) 14:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I have to disagree! Have any of you actually read Schumpeter’s Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy? It discusses Marx in detail: the whole of Part I is devoted to a detailed interpretation of Marx’s thought! Sorry if that’s news to you, but it’s ludicrous to argue that the article is biased because it gives the back history to a concept Schumpeter himself got from Marx (and of course elaborated). Since when does Wikipedia only dole out knowledge that MBA students think they might need? We’re not an MBA textbook. The fact is, like it or not, that Schumpeter didn’t invent the concept himself. The term has a history, and Wikipedia needs to represent concepts historically and globally, not from the perspective of Anglo-Saxon/neoliberal business models. Therefore it’s only right that the article should follow a rough historical order and deal with the economic origins of the concept before it goes on to deal with Schumpeter’s use (which is not its primary use in fields such as geography, political economy, anthropology and cultural studies). If you find the article needs to say more about Schumpeter, then flesh out the sections on Schumpeter, but don’t attack it because it gives an historical overview of the concept. Those MBA students looking for information on Schumpeter might learn a thing or two. Oh, and by the way, I’m British, not Greek (OK, I’m half-Greek), and I can assure you that my edits here have nothing at all to do with the crisis of capitalism in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, USA, etc., though Schumpeter would have said “I told you so”! I’m also not a Marxist, and in case you hadn’t heard, the Cold War is over. Marx is no longer taboo, but is widely considered a serious analyst of the mechanisms of capitalism in academia (as he was by Schumpeter). Therefore, I do not believe the article is unbalanced, although it would be if it were only about Schumpeter’s interpretation of the concept as Aronradix wants it to be! GKantaris ( talk) 16:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Walras101 ( talk) 21:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Wanted to drop in and say that Schumpeter does not draw creative destruction from Marx within the text and certainly does not do so explicitly (which the articles says). This should be removed. One just needs to read the text to find this out. MHP Huck ( talk) 02:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
From the Origin of Species (1859)...
Context...
From my perspective, the term evolutionary economics is redundant. Innovation, variation, natural selection, competition and creative destruction are equally relevant to economics and evolution. With this in mind, what did Marx contribute to our understanding of evolution? This article should have a lot less Marx and a lot more Darwin. 71.84.207.69 ( talk) 02:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Agree this is too technical. The intro is more of a detailed subsection and an intro needs to be written. PLEASE Jennpublic ( talk) 17:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Some analysis is being done of for example international real estate investment firms, purchasing carbon valuable forest then managing them for highest return and lowest environmental values
Environmental destruction is a major aspect of destructive capitalism by which capital value is extracted from earth resources via environmental destruction.
Please anyone w the academic references …add this Jennpublic ( talk) 17:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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This article is virtually useless for most of the people who will be using it. The primary readers of this page are likely to be business and economics students looking to get an overview of the Schumpeterian model of Creative Destruction. Instead they are bombarded with a lot of Neo-Marxist philosophy based on Sombart's use of the term in a broken-widows style fallacy. This article should be completely re-written from the Schumpeterian point of view, with the Marxist elements added as an "Other interpretations" section" Aronradix ( talk) 14:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I have to disagree! Have any of you actually read Schumpeter’s Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy? It discusses Marx in detail: the whole of Part I is devoted to a detailed interpretation of Marx’s thought! Sorry if that’s news to you, but it’s ludicrous to argue that the article is biased because it gives the back history to a concept Schumpeter himself got from Marx (and of course elaborated). Since when does Wikipedia only dole out knowledge that MBA students think they might need? We’re not an MBA textbook. The fact is, like it or not, that Schumpeter didn’t invent the concept himself. The term has a history, and Wikipedia needs to represent concepts historically and globally, not from the perspective of Anglo-Saxon/neoliberal business models. Therefore it’s only right that the article should follow a rough historical order and deal with the economic origins of the concept before it goes on to deal with Schumpeter’s use (which is not its primary use in fields such as geography, political economy, anthropology and cultural studies). If you find the article needs to say more about Schumpeter, then flesh out the sections on Schumpeter, but don’t attack it because it gives an historical overview of the concept. Those MBA students looking for information on Schumpeter might learn a thing or two. Oh, and by the way, I’m British, not Greek (OK, I’m half-Greek), and I can assure you that my edits here have nothing at all to do with the crisis of capitalism in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, USA, etc., though Schumpeter would have said “I told you so”! I’m also not a Marxist, and in case you hadn’t heard, the Cold War is over. Marx is no longer taboo, but is widely considered a serious analyst of the mechanisms of capitalism in academia (as he was by Schumpeter). Therefore, I do not believe the article is unbalanced, although it would be if it were only about Schumpeter’s interpretation of the concept as Aronradix wants it to be! GKantaris ( talk) 16:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Walras101 ( talk) 21:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Wanted to drop in and say that Schumpeter does not draw creative destruction from Marx within the text and certainly does not do so explicitly (which the articles says). This should be removed. One just needs to read the text to find this out. MHP Huck ( talk) 02:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
From the Origin of Species (1859)...
Context...
From my perspective, the term evolutionary economics is redundant. Innovation, variation, natural selection, competition and creative destruction are equally relevant to economics and evolution. With this in mind, what did Marx contribute to our understanding of evolution? This article should have a lot less Marx and a lot more Darwin. 71.84.207.69 ( talk) 02:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Agree this is too technical. The intro is more of a detailed subsection and an intro needs to be written. PLEASE Jennpublic ( talk) 17:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Some analysis is being done of for example international real estate investment firms, purchasing carbon valuable forest then managing them for highest return and lowest environmental values
Environmental destruction is a major aspect of destructive capitalism by which capital value is extracted from earth resources via environmental destruction.
Please anyone w the academic references …add this Jennpublic ( talk) 17:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)