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Can we have some examples? lysdexia 14:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This is also called 'glottal fry'
I can't find a reason to include the link to Khmer in the See Also section. First off, it's a disambig page, but I read through the whole article at Khmer language and couldn't find a reference to this phonation. Please respond with reasons for its inclusion, or I will remove the link next Wednesday. BonsaiViking 20:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC) disambiguation link repair ( You can help!)
"Creaky voice manifests itself in the idiolects of some American English speakers, particularly at the beginnings of sentences that the speaker wishes to "soft-pedal"." Please explain what is meant by "soft-pedal". 198.150.76.150 16:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Creaky voice manifests itself in the idiolects of some American English speakers, particularly at the beginnings of sentences that the speaker wishes to "soft-pedal". Although this phenomenon is in general more prominent among female American English speakers than among male speakers, it is frequently adopted by older males in leadership positions in business and politics.
I don't disagree with the need for clarifying soft-pedal, but far from objectionable, the bit below is both true and helpful to readers with access to media originating in the U.S. It should be re-inserted.
Although this phenomenon is in general more prominent among female American English speakers than among male speakers, it is frequently adopted by older males in leadership positions in business and politics.
It would be good to have an audio example of the Vietnamese pronunciation of a syllable with this creaky voice. Badagnani 21:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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-- Error ( talk) 23:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Is Clarence "Frogman" Henry's croaking voice on the last third of his hit song "Ain't Got No Home" an example of creaky voice? If so, it should be mentioned. Binksternet 08:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
is this what the article is talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs
this page DESPERATELY needs examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO ( talk • contribs) 20:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
NT Flygongengar ( talk) 04:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Support moving creaky voice to vocal fry. More academic literature uses vocal fry as opposed to creak. 4meter4 ( talk) 14:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey y'all, So I am actually a grad student who does work on this phonation. I'd love to do some work fleshing out the organization of the page adding specific sections on sociolinguistic work on creak and its perceptual effects. Additionally, I'd love to add some sections to flesh out more info on the languages in which creak is a factor in minimal pairing, etc. The page is sorely lacking currently, also since the page is *so* vague/brief it's giving a somewhat incorrect impression concerning creaks' use by young American women. If I see no responses around next 2 weeks or so, I'll start working on incremental changes and additions to add a more nuanced view of the affect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ling Pixie ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
I tried outlining the issues with sources 3-7 but they were lost in the edit description unfortunately. I'll reproduce it here:
Statement with poor sources: "Creaky voice is prevalent as a peer-group affectation among young women in the United States."
Sources: 3,4,5,6,7
Summary: None of these sources show that young woman in particular exhibit this style of speech more than other groups, and none for the United States as a whole. There may be better sources that show this point but these are not it. The sample size and locality are the issues with theses sources. Extrapolating 20 woman to the entire country is akin to polling 20 Americans who they'll vote for during their next presidential election and concluding the winner.
Source 3:
This is an opinion article about the dialect of the Pacific Northwest. It cites research done here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247093915_Pacific_northwest_vowels_A_Seattle_neighborhood_dialect_study This research has a sample size of the voices of 8 women and 6 men from one city in Washington state. It is not representative of young American women as a whole.
Source 4:
This link is broken but I suspect that it is meant to be the study I listed above. If you are going to undo my changes, consider replacing this link with the link I provided in the source 3 issue description.
Source 5:
The source says it best on it's own: "It is important to note that because my study examined creaky voice usage and its perception in only two regions, northern California and eastern Iowa, and because my auditory and acoustic analyses were limited to speech samples from only 12 college-age females in California, I was unable to determine its geographic distribution, how it has spread, or whether its usage might vary across regions. "
The people chosen to be recorded were chosen by the authors of the study because they had the California dialect in the author's opinion. This means creaky voice is more of an attribute of what they think the California dialect is.
On the second part of the study: " Although the perception test question did not specify the age of the female speakers, I assume that most respondents answered based on the speech of women close to their own age (20s and 30s) since this is the age group with which they regularly interact. However, their reported perceptions may pertain to creaky voice used by older or even younger women. "
The study does not ask about older vs younger women in terms of creaky voice.
Source 6:
Taken from the abstract of the study: "Subjects were 34 female college students". The conclusion: "Preliminary findings were taken to suggest that use of the vocal fry register may be common in some adult SAE speakers." This does not support the claim that "Creaky voice is prevalent as a peer-group affectation among young women in the United States."
Source 7:
this link is for a recording that is no longer available. I tried to track it down elsewhere but was unable to.
Secondcommand ( talk) 04:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
This is an actually existing thing in the IPA?! I thought I just made it up! UltraDestroya48 ( talk) 04:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Can we have some examples? lysdexia 14:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This is also called 'glottal fry'
I can't find a reason to include the link to Khmer in the See Also section. First off, it's a disambig page, but I read through the whole article at Khmer language and couldn't find a reference to this phonation. Please respond with reasons for its inclusion, or I will remove the link next Wednesday. BonsaiViking 20:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC) disambiguation link repair ( You can help!)
"Creaky voice manifests itself in the idiolects of some American English speakers, particularly at the beginnings of sentences that the speaker wishes to "soft-pedal"." Please explain what is meant by "soft-pedal". 198.150.76.150 16:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Creaky voice manifests itself in the idiolects of some American English speakers, particularly at the beginnings of sentences that the speaker wishes to "soft-pedal". Although this phenomenon is in general more prominent among female American English speakers than among male speakers, it is frequently adopted by older males in leadership positions in business and politics.
I don't disagree with the need for clarifying soft-pedal, but far from objectionable, the bit below is both true and helpful to readers with access to media originating in the U.S. It should be re-inserted.
Although this phenomenon is in general more prominent among female American English speakers than among male speakers, it is frequently adopted by older males in leadership positions in business and politics.
It would be good to have an audio example of the Vietnamese pronunciation of a syllable with this creaky voice. Badagnani 21:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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included in this article to
improve its quality. Please see Wikipedia:Requested recordings for more on this request. |
-- Error ( talk) 23:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Is Clarence "Frogman" Henry's croaking voice on the last third of his hit song "Ain't Got No Home" an example of creaky voice? If so, it should be mentioned. Binksternet 08:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
is this what the article is talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs
this page DESPERATELY needs examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO ( talk • contribs) 20:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
NT Flygongengar ( talk) 04:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Support moving creaky voice to vocal fry. More academic literature uses vocal fry as opposed to creak. 4meter4 ( talk) 14:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey y'all, So I am actually a grad student who does work on this phonation. I'd love to do some work fleshing out the organization of the page adding specific sections on sociolinguistic work on creak and its perceptual effects. Additionally, I'd love to add some sections to flesh out more info on the languages in which creak is a factor in minimal pairing, etc. The page is sorely lacking currently, also since the page is *so* vague/brief it's giving a somewhat incorrect impression concerning creaks' use by young American women. If I see no responses around next 2 weeks or so, I'll start working on incremental changes and additions to add a more nuanced view of the affect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ling Pixie ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
I tried outlining the issues with sources 3-7 but they were lost in the edit description unfortunately. I'll reproduce it here:
Statement with poor sources: "Creaky voice is prevalent as a peer-group affectation among young women in the United States."
Sources: 3,4,5,6,7
Summary: None of these sources show that young woman in particular exhibit this style of speech more than other groups, and none for the United States as a whole. There may be better sources that show this point but these are not it. The sample size and locality are the issues with theses sources. Extrapolating 20 woman to the entire country is akin to polling 20 Americans who they'll vote for during their next presidential election and concluding the winner.
Source 3:
This is an opinion article about the dialect of the Pacific Northwest. It cites research done here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247093915_Pacific_northwest_vowels_A_Seattle_neighborhood_dialect_study This research has a sample size of the voices of 8 women and 6 men from one city in Washington state. It is not representative of young American women as a whole.
Source 4:
This link is broken but I suspect that it is meant to be the study I listed above. If you are going to undo my changes, consider replacing this link with the link I provided in the source 3 issue description.
Source 5:
The source says it best on it's own: "It is important to note that because my study examined creaky voice usage and its perception in only two regions, northern California and eastern Iowa, and because my auditory and acoustic analyses were limited to speech samples from only 12 college-age females in California, I was unable to determine its geographic distribution, how it has spread, or whether its usage might vary across regions. "
The people chosen to be recorded were chosen by the authors of the study because they had the California dialect in the author's opinion. This means creaky voice is more of an attribute of what they think the California dialect is.
On the second part of the study: " Although the perception test question did not specify the age of the female speakers, I assume that most respondents answered based on the speech of women close to their own age (20s and 30s) since this is the age group with which they regularly interact. However, their reported perceptions may pertain to creaky voice used by older or even younger women. "
The study does not ask about older vs younger women in terms of creaky voice.
Source 6:
Taken from the abstract of the study: "Subjects were 34 female college students". The conclusion: "Preliminary findings were taken to suggest that use of the vocal fry register may be common in some adult SAE speakers." This does not support the claim that "Creaky voice is prevalent as a peer-group affectation among young women in the United States."
Source 7:
this link is for a recording that is no longer available. I tried to track it down elsewhere but was unable to.
Secondcommand ( talk) 04:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
This is an actually existing thing in the IPA?! I thought I just made it up! UltraDestroya48 ( talk) 04:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)