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Lower case "m" in mine, or upper case "M" in Mine?
FYI: I looked at other mines on Wikipedia, and a rough eyeball guess is 60% UPPER and 40% LOWER. IP4240207xx 05:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I just found a page with a whole bunch of stats on tonnage, etc. I will make a table shortly to display them.-- AveryG 18:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
From the USGS 199.172.246.196 16:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article should have more content regarding CEO Bob Murray, who has become quite notable in American media with the way he has reacted to the accident, such as insisting it was an earthquake when scientists didn't feel it was, defending against accusations of retreat mining, etc. Note, however, that any wikilinks would need to be disambiguated as there is already another Bob Murray with an article, unconnected to this individual. 68.146.47.196 13:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
State publications, such as the text of the History and Statistics section, are not public domain. -- Michael White T· C 14:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I see all times are given in Mountain Standard Time, MST. Are they not on Daylight Time in that county? 4.249.186.134 01:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
All of Utah uses Mountain Daylight Time, MDT, in season. Douglas Barber 22:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I see everyone is referencing news articles. Most of these can hardly be considered reliable sources. I see little if any factual information, in particular the use of 'retreat mining' which seems to be the media's made up mining method for this incident. Retreat mining is done at almost any underground coal operation, that are retreating from a long wall you don't have to maintain entry's to the long wall face so you pull those pillars on retreat. I will start to update this article as I have time.
Djoeyd114 13:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
On a second note I updated the section on 'retreat mining' and deleted the reference. The AP is hardly a credible source, especially when it comes to mining methods. Djoeyd114 14:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
There are various types of "professionals in the industry", aka "experts". You have experts who are employed exclusively by mine owners, experts who are employed exclusively by the United Mine Workers of America, experts who are lawyers who typically sue in behalf of miners or their families, and probably other flavors of experts. I know of no class of "professionals in the industry" who have no professional interest in bending the truth one way or another, unless it be inspectors for the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration. Douglas Barber 22:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
And you have the press that bend the truth, either in order to assign blame or because they don't understand what the experts are telling them... I am qualified to make edits on this (I'm a mining engineer) and I have nothing to do with the coal industry. Thank you for contributing to the discussion. Djoeyd114 15:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
One of the items that I feel should be added to this page which is included on the Robert E. Murray page comes from that page's "Political Activity" section.
But I am not sure how to copy it over without ruining/losing the citations.
Here is the code:
In the wake of 2006's [[Sago Mine disaster]], lawmakers in [[West Virginia]] and [[Ohio]] proposed legislation requiring mine workers to wear emergency tracking devices. Murray lobbied against the laws, calling them "extremely misguided."<ref name=goldman/> He said that politicians were rushing to pass laws and thus "playing politics with the safety of my employees." He said that rather than create "knee-jerk" state laws after the disaster, such as in the case of West Virginia, which passed the law in less than one day after it was proposed, the federal government should host a panel which would study the industry and make recommendations for safety measures.<ref name="craincleveland"/> He claimed that the federal government should be involved for uniform standards and because tension between unions and companies created difficulty in reaching private agreement on safety standards. Murray maintained that the personal tracking devices to be mandated in the state laws, called PEDs, did not work under certain common mining conditions (such as below 600 feet in depth), and better devices needed to be developed in order to effectively guard miners in case of accident. He said, "The will is there. Unfortunately, the technology isn't."<ref name="craincleveland"/>
Can anyone take a stab at moving it over, please?-- AveryG 04:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any discussion in the media reports about whether the trapped miners are able to hear. Given that some of the reports suggested that the workers could have been killed by waves of air pressure, it seems possible that survivors could have suffered severe damage to their eardrums and hearing. Are the rescue efforts taking this into account as they look for miners from the boreholes, such as by dropping lights or odor signals for the miners to find? Mike Serfas 16:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I will be trying to make a timeline of the latest accident. JoeyLovesSports 04:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Murray has indicated that he wishes to abandon the Crandall Canyon Mine. I've added a reference to the KUTV article with his comment, but it would be good to have more information on the future of the mine, if someone knows anything about it. 166.70.233.89 16:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
After rereading the "Safety Concerns" section, I removed some portions that didn't make sense.
First there was an editorial comment added to the number of violations at the mine, that was not in the reference that was cited as the source of the comment!
Secondly, I removed a comment about how much coal was removed using the longwall method. This comment had no citation.-- AveryG 22:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I restored the assertion that the violations were similar in number to similar-sized mines, along with a reference. Thanks for pointing it out. It was not an editorial comment, but just hadn't been sourced yet. For things of that nature, you can add a fact tag which will allow others to insert citations at a later time if you can't find one.-- Gloriamarie 03:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Pertaining to the fine issued to Genwal for the Crandall Canyon Mine disaster, it seems appropriate to use MSHA's press release as the reference instead of CNN. As an added perk, the press release contains a link to the August 2007 MSHA investigation into the cause of the collapse. Anyone have a problem with it? Sh33ph3rd ( talk) 04:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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Lower case "m" in mine, or upper case "M" in Mine?
FYI: I looked at other mines on Wikipedia, and a rough eyeball guess is 60% UPPER and 40% LOWER. IP4240207xx 05:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I just found a page with a whole bunch of stats on tonnage, etc. I will make a table shortly to display them.-- AveryG 18:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
From the USGS 199.172.246.196 16:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article should have more content regarding CEO Bob Murray, who has become quite notable in American media with the way he has reacted to the accident, such as insisting it was an earthquake when scientists didn't feel it was, defending against accusations of retreat mining, etc. Note, however, that any wikilinks would need to be disambiguated as there is already another Bob Murray with an article, unconnected to this individual. 68.146.47.196 13:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
State publications, such as the text of the History and Statistics section, are not public domain. -- Michael White T· C 14:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I see all times are given in Mountain Standard Time, MST. Are they not on Daylight Time in that county? 4.249.186.134 01:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
All of Utah uses Mountain Daylight Time, MDT, in season. Douglas Barber 22:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I see everyone is referencing news articles. Most of these can hardly be considered reliable sources. I see little if any factual information, in particular the use of 'retreat mining' which seems to be the media's made up mining method for this incident. Retreat mining is done at almost any underground coal operation, that are retreating from a long wall you don't have to maintain entry's to the long wall face so you pull those pillars on retreat. I will start to update this article as I have time.
Djoeyd114 13:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
On a second note I updated the section on 'retreat mining' and deleted the reference. The AP is hardly a credible source, especially when it comes to mining methods. Djoeyd114 14:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
There are various types of "professionals in the industry", aka "experts". You have experts who are employed exclusively by mine owners, experts who are employed exclusively by the United Mine Workers of America, experts who are lawyers who typically sue in behalf of miners or their families, and probably other flavors of experts. I know of no class of "professionals in the industry" who have no professional interest in bending the truth one way or another, unless it be inspectors for the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration. Douglas Barber 22:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
And you have the press that bend the truth, either in order to assign blame or because they don't understand what the experts are telling them... I am qualified to make edits on this (I'm a mining engineer) and I have nothing to do with the coal industry. Thank you for contributing to the discussion. Djoeyd114 15:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
One of the items that I feel should be added to this page which is included on the Robert E. Murray page comes from that page's "Political Activity" section.
But I am not sure how to copy it over without ruining/losing the citations.
Here is the code:
In the wake of 2006's [[Sago Mine disaster]], lawmakers in [[West Virginia]] and [[Ohio]] proposed legislation requiring mine workers to wear emergency tracking devices. Murray lobbied against the laws, calling them "extremely misguided."<ref name=goldman/> He said that politicians were rushing to pass laws and thus "playing politics with the safety of my employees." He said that rather than create "knee-jerk" state laws after the disaster, such as in the case of West Virginia, which passed the law in less than one day after it was proposed, the federal government should host a panel which would study the industry and make recommendations for safety measures.<ref name="craincleveland"/> He claimed that the federal government should be involved for uniform standards and because tension between unions and companies created difficulty in reaching private agreement on safety standards. Murray maintained that the personal tracking devices to be mandated in the state laws, called PEDs, did not work under certain common mining conditions (such as below 600 feet in depth), and better devices needed to be developed in order to effectively guard miners in case of accident. He said, "The will is there. Unfortunately, the technology isn't."<ref name="craincleveland"/>
Can anyone take a stab at moving it over, please?-- AveryG 04:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any discussion in the media reports about whether the trapped miners are able to hear. Given that some of the reports suggested that the workers could have been killed by waves of air pressure, it seems possible that survivors could have suffered severe damage to their eardrums and hearing. Are the rescue efforts taking this into account as they look for miners from the boreholes, such as by dropping lights or odor signals for the miners to find? Mike Serfas 16:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I will be trying to make a timeline of the latest accident. JoeyLovesSports 04:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Murray has indicated that he wishes to abandon the Crandall Canyon Mine. I've added a reference to the KUTV article with his comment, but it would be good to have more information on the future of the mine, if someone knows anything about it. 166.70.233.89 16:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
After rereading the "Safety Concerns" section, I removed some portions that didn't make sense.
First there was an editorial comment added to the number of violations at the mine, that was not in the reference that was cited as the source of the comment!
Secondly, I removed a comment about how much coal was removed using the longwall method. This comment had no citation.-- AveryG 22:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I restored the assertion that the violations were similar in number to similar-sized mines, along with a reference. Thanks for pointing it out. It was not an editorial comment, but just hadn't been sourced yet. For things of that nature, you can add a fact tag which will allow others to insert citations at a later time if you can't find one.-- Gloriamarie 03:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Pertaining to the fine issued to Genwal for the Crandall Canyon Mine disaster, it seems appropriate to use MSHA's press release as the reference instead of CNN. As an added perk, the press release contains a link to the August 2007 MSHA investigation into the cause of the collapse. Anyone have a problem with it? Sh33ph3rd ( talk) 04:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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