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On 28 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Crakow to Poulaine. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The reason behind this poulaine trend was a hint at man's virility, size of penis. Please add to article -- 184.161.144.204 ( talk) 20:17, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Isaac Asimov is not a reliable source of information on this topic. He was not an expert on historic footwear, nor an archaeologist, and like many compiled books of "facts" his contained a large share of hearsay and unverified information heavily polluted by the Victorian era's view of the Medieval period. Amuckart ( talk) 11:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
The primary topic of "Crakow" is obviously as an alternative spelling of the city. This page needs to be at Crakow (footwear) instead. — LlywelynII 19:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Crakow → Poulaine – That said,
is obviously completely untrue. The main name of these shoes was and remains poulaine and a single deadlink to a personal page at the University of Tulsa doesn't change that. Crakow, meanwhile, was an exceeding uncommon name for the shoe and isn't even usually provided as a synonym. See here, here, here (where the OED pointedly marks this sense of Crakow as completely obsolete prior to Wiki mistakenly pulling it back out of the closet and dusting it off), here, here (being exceedingly generous and taking any possible sense of 'crakows'), here (no, the archaism 'crakowes' isn't any more common), et multa multa multa cetera.
The single (dead personal) source was wrong or WP:FRINGE, we gave it WP:UNDUE weight and importance, and it's time to fix it already. — LlywelynII 19:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Is Pigache the same topic of this and should be merged here? -- 64.229.90.172 ( talk) 06:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Crakow has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 5 § Crakow until a consensus is reached. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
There are a few claims that get repeated around the internet without the original text seeming to exist. One is that the bans on pointed shoes started at a "Synod of Reims" in 972. Another that this was continued at a "Council of Lavaur". A third is that Urban V specifically outlawed poulains in 1362. Another is that Emperor Charles IV banned them for the poor and fined his own officials 10 florins per offense wearing them in his presence in 1368. The same source also says the manufacture was made illegal throughout France in 1470 and that there were English laws passed against them in 1336, 1337, and 1363, the last apparently a mistake for 1463 since it (mis)quotes the relevant statute of Edward III. Anyone have a reliable source for the rest? (No, the guy with a column in the NY Times isn't actually reliable for this since his 'source' is a museum outreach webpage drafted by an intern.)
For what it's worth, there's a list of more sources on the topic in the linked Chambers & al. article. — LlywelynII 22:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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On 28 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Crakow to Poulaine. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The reason behind this poulaine trend was a hint at man's virility, size of penis. Please add to article -- 184.161.144.204 ( talk) 20:17, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Isaac Asimov is not a reliable source of information on this topic. He was not an expert on historic footwear, nor an archaeologist, and like many compiled books of "facts" his contained a large share of hearsay and unverified information heavily polluted by the Victorian era's view of the Medieval period. Amuckart ( talk) 11:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
The primary topic of "Crakow" is obviously as an alternative spelling of the city. This page needs to be at Crakow (footwear) instead. — LlywelynII 19:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Crakow → Poulaine – That said,
is obviously completely untrue. The main name of these shoes was and remains poulaine and a single deadlink to a personal page at the University of Tulsa doesn't change that. Crakow, meanwhile, was an exceeding uncommon name for the shoe and isn't even usually provided as a synonym. See here, here, here (where the OED pointedly marks this sense of Crakow as completely obsolete prior to Wiki mistakenly pulling it back out of the closet and dusting it off), here, here (being exceedingly generous and taking any possible sense of 'crakows'), here (no, the archaism 'crakowes' isn't any more common), et multa multa multa cetera.
The single (dead personal) source was wrong or WP:FRINGE, we gave it WP:UNDUE weight and importance, and it's time to fix it already. — LlywelynII 19:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Is Pigache the same topic of this and should be merged here? -- 64.229.90.172 ( talk) 06:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Crakow has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 5 § Crakow until a consensus is reached. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
There are a few claims that get repeated around the internet without the original text seeming to exist. One is that the bans on pointed shoes started at a "Synod of Reims" in 972. Another that this was continued at a "Council of Lavaur". A third is that Urban V specifically outlawed poulains in 1362. Another is that Emperor Charles IV banned them for the poor and fined his own officials 10 florins per offense wearing them in his presence in 1368. The same source also says the manufacture was made illegal throughout France in 1470 and that there were English laws passed against them in 1336, 1337, and 1363, the last apparently a mistake for 1463 since it (mis)quotes the relevant statute of Edward III. Anyone have a reliable source for the rest? (No, the guy with a column in the NY Times isn't actually reliable for this since his 'source' is a museum outreach webpage drafted by an intern.)
For what it's worth, there's a list of more sources on the topic in the linked Chambers & al. article. — LlywelynII 22:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)