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Who own's Craiglist? Craig? The article doesn't say. Sylvain1972 20:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is it craigslist or Craigslist? The article has multiple uses of each, which is correct? I'll go ahead and change everything to uppercase. If this is incorrect then please add the article to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) by using the boilerplate Template:Wrongtitle. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Wrongtitle for more examples of articles with lowercase titles and how they are dealt with. Cacophony 22:52, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)
The "wrong title" template should be removed. Grammatically, even something that is not normally capitalized is capitalized when it begins a sentence, paragraph or article. Thus, "craigslist" should be rendered "Craigslist" at the top of the article and whenever it begins a sentence.
The article is rather confusing and unclear. It talks about being incorporated and eBay buying a stake, but also discusses Craigslist Foundation as a non-profit. Does this foundation really have anything to do with craigslist, other than having some of the same people involved? Its website discusses helping "emerging nonprofit organizations" pretty generically, and doesn't indicate that the foundation actually helps fund or operate craigslist itself. However, someone could certainly walk away with that impression from this article. -- Michael Snow 01:49, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I've removed the former links 8 & 9, to stories of the controversy with Live 8. They seem to be dead. DGG 06:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Does the section List of cities serve any purpose? An up-to-date version is always available at the official web site. Besides, this seems to be contrary to WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I propose the section be removed, and information about the first ten cities be rolled into the background and/or significant events sections. — EncMstr 02:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to edit this page, and "Craig Newmark", for accuracy, and maybe the addition of other good external links. I've been asking in a few places as to the proper etiquette, and do appreciate feedback. thanks!
Craig (craig@craigslist.org) Cnewmark 21:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
maybe some corrections:
... more to come, thanks!... Cnewmark 21:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Um, regarding the last six items, I'm the guy behind all this, and am confused as to the current results. If it's a matter of authentication, how do I fix that? If it's expeditious, I can get help from Jimmy. thanks! Craig craig@craigslist.org Cnewmark 03:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
not complaining, just figuring it out. thanks!
Craig
fyi... this will probably get into the news, some interest today at big media event. this is a real interesting problem.
(I've asked for volunteers to chime in here.) — EncMstr 08:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
EncMstr said:
>>:I goggled for ten to fifteen minutes on each of these items, but couldn't find any useful sources:
THIS VERY PAGE is the reference for those items, EncMstr ^__^
—— Lumarine
Lumarine, thanks! That's what I'd think. I'm not pushing on this, it's a big issue for everyone. Cnewmark 17:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Why are those considered "linkspam"? -- Rocksanddirt 19:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This bit of vandalism might actually be true (based on my cl experiences) though would need some sort of reference.... -- Rocksanddirt 15:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
1990's technology skyrocketing to 2010. That's what the site looks like to me. It's difficult to navigate, the forms are poorley laid out and very clunky. Maybe we should all go back to writing CGI scripts. In 12 years of net searches I've never turned up a single link to Craig's List. Odd for such a popular site, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.147.71.211 ( talk)
The finnancial information (especially the ownership stuff) needs references! It's not negative, or defamatory, so I didn't remove it, but it comes close to crossing the line of WP:BLP in terms of unsourced hearsay on living people. -- Rocksanddirt 15:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe Craigslist would want to advertise that a bunch of their userbase got pranked, and the links seem to check out. Plus, the guy said he got interviewed by the New York Times, so we'll have to see how that turns out. I don't want some lame-@## edit war to start, so I thought it'd be good to bring it up in the talk page first.-- 198.82.92.132 17:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
ED certainly is notable enough to be mentioned. See this MSNBC video, which was originally from CNN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loopscaler ( talk • contribs) 10:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
eBay, it seems, is trying to compete with Craigslist with their own Kijiji service. It offers exactly the same layout and operation etc... This is odd because eBay owns a stake in Craigslist. Should there be some mention of this in the article?
198.146.33.10 15:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
reverting the edit where someone removed "erotic services" on the list of ads that craigslist supplies until someone can give me a good reason not to have it. i'd say this is one of the more well known and infamous things that craigslist provides. 23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason why????.
Answer: Yes, there were major power outages in San Fran.
00:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
In July 2005, Craigslist beamed over 2 million classified ads into deep space (one light year) in the near future, Er, so were the messages beamed in July 2005 or not? Perhaps July 2005 is just when Craiglist won the rights, or announced their intentions to beam ads into space. This should be clarified, and if they didn't beam them into space until later, that date should be given. 00:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
PETA is protesting Craiglist after an known animal abuser obtained a victim who was "Free to a Good Home", you better a careful eye on this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hailey C. Shannon ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
We just got a clean-up tag on this article from someone who considers this section unencyclopedic. Although I think "trivia" is a misnomer, this suffers from a similar problem as trivia so I won't remove the tag. It's a random assortment of events that are added as bullet points, without context, and that don't add to the understanding of Craigslist.
The main problem is the addition of crimes, scams, frauds, etc., in the list of significant events. I had divided a single "controversies" section into these three because a crime/misdeed committed involving Craigslist is not a controversy. A controversy about ab usienss is a dispute among people over something that casts a negative light on the business. There does not seem to be any dispute or disagreement over these events or their relation to Craigslist, and there is nothing in most of them to suggest that Craigslist had anything to do with them. They are simply events, not controversies.
I think most of these are not relevant events. Crime and business fraud are endemic to our entire society. Some people think that it's more prevalent on Craigslist, but others disagree. The fact that a crime is committed, and Craigslist is somehow an element in the crime, does not without more shed any light on Craigslist. It is clear that much of the reporting of Craigslist-related crimes is simple headline-promotion on the part of the media, which years ago when the Internet was new latched onto the public's unease about the Internet by sensationalizing every crime where the Internet was involved. Might as well report every incident of a screwdriver being involved in a crime, in an article about screwdrivers. If there is a reliable source that cites a statement that Craigslist fosters crime, now that is a controversy and deserves mention in the controversies section. Likewise, if there is a notable accusation (e.g. by PETA) that Craigslist is behaving improperly, then depending on how that plays out that may be an incident or a controversy. But simply pointing out that something happened, and Craigslist is mentioned, is not even news, much less encyclopedic.
Given all that, I am proposing to excise all of the historical incidents, controversies, and criticisms, that do not establish relevance to the subject of the article. Rather than deleting them, I will create a new list article, "Things that happened on Craigslist" (or some better title if I can think of one), with some reasonable standards for inclusion. People can then add crime reports on that article to their heart's content, although I don't plan on monitoring that article for quality. That gives everybody what they want. The Craigslist article stays clean and focused, and those who want a list of interesting things that happened on Craigslist will have a more welcoming place to put their info. If there's no great opposition I'll probably do this in a few days. Wikidemo 20:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The screenshot is cropped, and filters out services, including controversial "erotic services" implicated in child prostitution rings around the country. Could sombody capture a full screen shot instead of the current cropped screenshot? Ra2007 ( talk) 18:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Should we mention the song "Craig's List" by nerdcore rapper Schaffer the Darklord? Brand Eks ( talk) 19:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22860988/ Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 14:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Such a significant portion of Jobs listed on Craigslist here (Indianapolis, IN, US) are hoaxes or scams that I feel this phenomenon deserves mention in the article. Well over half of the ads are obvious scams, pyramid schemes, etc. The percent is even higher under Services. These two categories are essentially made not useful, in this city, due to the crud that is posted. Craigslist's allowance for changing font colors in job postings enables posters to embed random words and passages inside the post as lightyellow, I don't know what purpose this servers, maybe it bypasses a filter somehow.
Apartment rental listings are also made less than useful by the massive overposting. Today on 3/21/08, going into the weekend, there's about 100 rentals posted, and most have the same format in the title. These posts have an ID number embedded in the post, as in, the ID of the poster.
Take away Apartments, Jobs, and Services, and Craigslist here (ymmv) is severly limited in its reach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.33.113 ( talk) 19:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There is more to this issue than just the scam postings. In an effort to control this problem, Craigslist has implemented some word restrictions that block ads from appearing on the site. Unfortunately this was done with insufficient process design, overview and management. This has resulted in Craigslist improperly restricting legitimate ads without providing posted help information, notification to the author, or any form of review and correction process.
Scope of the Issue: Blocked Ads are accepted and confirmed by Craigslist. They appear as current ads in an account list. Unlike flagging, these ads are actually blocked and simply never appear in the index. No information or notice is given to the author of the ad about the block.
If I had to guess, Craigslist just dumps these ads into a giant bit-bucket because someone had the idea that the ads would be reviewed by the handful of staff but the job was immense and now these ads land in an abyss (I admit no reliable sources for this assumption).
Ironic Ramifications: Legitimate jobs from non-profit organiztions are being blocked because the term Membership Recruitment is a resticted job posting. Members are to non-profit organizations as shareholders are to for-profit companies. And recruiting members is a very legitimate and necessary job function for non-profits. If non-profits are not supposed to recruit members to help with their mission, why should they even exist?
The irony of this discriminatory practice (some would use the word censorship) is that Craigslist promotes itself as being a strong proponent of non-profits and certainly touts its allowance for free speech. A reliable source for this issue is found at http://www.pressrelease365.com/pr/industry/non-profit/craigslist-org-non-profit-job-postings-2603.htm.
The issue is currently seen as being trivial to some, but this is likely because the group it most affects are often under-funded volunteer-based organizations that have few, if any, resources to combat the issue. Additional sources of affected organizations or the issue being raised by traditional media may alter that perspective.
MrISDN 17:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to add warnings about renting. I just put up a post to rent out my apartment and I got contacted by 6 different fake people posing as people coming in from different countries wanting to pay me in full in advance for what they owe. They will ask detailed questions about the apartment and explain information about themselves-sometimes even what company they will be working for. After several emails back and fourth a third party is mentioned that is their american contact or financial advisior or travel agent. Somehow they end up sending you a check for more than they owe you and ask you to give the rest of the money to this contact. I assume that the check then bouces after the money is given to a third party. I think people should be warned of these emails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziggylion ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed a section on some hoax stuff. There needs to be reliable sources for that kind of thing. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 03:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the murder of someone using the subject of an article is unnotable, especially when it is not an intrinsic part of that subject. If we were talking about the Smith & Wesson .357 magnum, then it would be unmanageable to list all the murders. But last time I checked, Craigslist's primary goal wasn't illicit activity. Beyond that, in one instance ( Michael John Anderson) the murder itself has been referred to since by the media in general as "The Craigslist Murder." That would seem to pretty much make it a given to be included. 24.24.211.239 ( talk) 21:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
ABC News Article entitled "Teen Charged in Craigslist Killing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.211.239 ( talk) 21:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I think Craigslist article needs a criticism section on what appears to be a rampant problem with flagging, which is sabotaging the utility of the site. Some basic research on the web has turned up descriptions such as this:
It is almost impossible to keep even the most innocent and non-commercial post online for more than a few hours before it is flagged off Craigslist. The sheer speed with which posts get flagged strongly suggests that some people are using automated flagging software.
There also appears seems to be some evidence that people are doing this to wipe competing ads from rotation. I think it may be worthwhile to try to find appropriate sources and work this into the article. - Rolypolyman ( talk) 18:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
A brazen crook apparently used a Craigslist ad to hire a dozen unsuspecting decoys to help him make his getaway following a robbery outside a bank. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.80.134.168 ( talk) 12:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I may be an idiot, but there's no link to the site in question on the page... 193.13.139.29 ( talk) 11:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The section Craigslist#Controversies_and_illegal_activities_by_users was moved to Craigslist_controversies_and_illegal_activities_by_users and is now in AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Craigslist_controversies_and_illegal_activities_by_users, should people care to contribute to the discussion. Should it be kept, it does need to be summarized in some way in this article rather than merely linked. Шизомби ( talk) 19:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the AfD was keep. However, I would tend to favor remerging the material back into this article from where it was removed. Шизомби ( talk) 19:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users had been a subsection of this article, but was made into a new article, the timing of it apparently relating to the creation of and AfD of List of Craigslist killers and Internet homicide and perhaps some other related articles. Initially a subheader was left with a wikilink to the other article the only content below it; since, that has been changed to the article being listed as a "see also." I am uncertain of the reason for the creation of the new article. In the AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users, a number of editors favored returning the material here to Craigslist, though some favored keeping it, and there was a little support for deleting it entirely. The closing admin noted that the merge proposal should take place at the talk page, so here it is. Шизомби ( talk) 04:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
It should absolutely be added into the section, because it is a Craigslist page. Wikipedia does not separate the good from the bad on any other business or service it has information on, from what I have seen. Information is information and it should be organized in a way that all of it is visible without hunting for the more controversial sections. If the two were to stay separated then there should be a page for praises and commendations. It only makes sense to combine the sections so all the pertinent information is easy accessible, do not hide the bad because some people are irresponsible and cannot use craigslist without sinister motives. Chris May 20, 2009
This should be revisited The Craigslist article is not balanced. The fact that Craigslist is basically un-moderated has enabled people to take advantage of other users and has had dire consequences. The confusion and unspecified nature of Craigslist rules such as the avoidance of disallowing prostitution but prohibition on selling pets is an important point. The Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users article is probably appropriate posted separately since it is so BIG but some of the content should be added back to the main article. If some other website got as many people killed (Ebay for instance) there would be great public outcry. It is not balanced to treat Craigslist differently. I disagree that it is technological phobia or media hype. Craigslist is basically the wild west. You can do what ever you want until someone else shoots you down. So being community moderated (which is a strength) makes it susceptible to a few people making the experience bad for other users(which is its weakness). Are there not some references on this? Gsonwiki ( talk) 04:20, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
It is well known that Craigslist is rampant with "flakes" (fake people). Pic collectors are also well known. This is the negativity that comes with the territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.191.44.208 ( talk) 12:30, 26 May 2009 UTC
This is pretty much common sense. There's ALWAYS going to be flakes and pic collectors all over the Net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.130.146 ( talk) 06:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not bound by Craigslist's trademark usage rules. Our capitalization in this article is governed by the Wikipedia Manual of Style. The Manual of Style offers the web site Craigslist as one of the specific examples of trademarks that should be rendered using standard capitalization regardless of the trademark owner's own formatting:
Trademarks rendered without any capitals are always capitalized:
- avoid: thirtysomething is a television show that may have been sponsored by adidas, but not by craigslist, because the show was over before craigslist existed.
- instead, use: Thirtysomething is a television show that may have been sponsored by Adidas, but not by Craigslist, because the show was over before Craigslist existed.
I appreciate that you may disagree with the Manual of Style. If you believe there is a compelling reason we should sacrifice legibility and professionalism to more closely imitate the nonstandard capitalization used by trademark owners, please discuss the issue on the talk page for this section of the Manual of Style. This article is the flagship example of when not to use initial lowercase letters for proper nouns. There is no place in Wikipedia where our decision is clearer and easier: we render the name as "Craigslist". — Burn Down Babylon 00:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
A women from the philadelphia area offered to do anything for Phillies World Series 2009 tickets (sex intended). This has been all over local news and even around the country. She was reported by a bensalem atea police and was not inprisioned becuase of how she worded her statement. She eventually received both tickets and a new car from a car dealer with no strings attacted.--Cooly123 17:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
There is an uncited bulletpoint under Criticisms that appears to be a personal inconvinence rather than a true criticism. Since I have just started and do not know the system as well. I bring this forward for discussion.
Example:
Hi! and Welcome! generally something like the observed bullet can be removed without much question. If there is a reference to the observation, then it should not be removed, but discussed here to see if as a group editors think it should be in or out. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 22:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I recently used the craigslist 'flag help forum' for the first time; very quickly I was swarmed and attacked by some very hostile persons (trolls) who posted insults and abuse. I was completely surprised that such behavior could come out of the craigslist organization. I did some research and found out that such activity has been allowed to happen for at least two years.
I have two questions; and being 'new' I hope these are appropriate and that you might be able to provide some information.
1. Why does the 'craigslist' article not mention this little known, but very present and active abusive behavior of anonymous flaggings, and anonymous forum postings by trolls.
2. I would like to add to the article a mention of this misbehavior. And insert an 'External Link" to one one several internet sites that have written about flagging abuse and troll activity at craigslist.
My reason for this is; It is highly unusual for any business to allow such an negative and hostile activity to occur, and be associated with that business. For that reason alone, mention of anonymous flagging, and uncontrolled troll attacks is noteworthy article information that helps to fully describe this business. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 19:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I edited the craigslist article today. I have added seven sentences, that relate to craigslist Classified Ad flagging and information about Craigslist Flag Help Forum. ((PLEASE NOTE THAT: All citations came from craigslist.org help and forum help pages...I used no blogs))
1. Classified ad flagging doesn't require account login or registration, and can be made anonymously by any visitor. 2. The number of required flaggings is variable and remains unknown to all but craigslist.org. 3. Flagging can occur as acts of disruptive vandalism and for the removal of competitors postings. 4. The Flag Help Forum is an unmoderated volunteer community, it is not staffed by craigslist.org employees, and it is not affiliated with craigslist.org. 5. The forum volunteers have no access to information about craigslist.org user accounts or ads, and must rely upon information supplied by the ad placer to try and piece together the reason an ad was flagged and removed. 6. The Flag Help Forum's unmoderated format allows anyone, including disruptive trolls, to post anonymously and without accountability. 7. The forums usefulness and effectiveness can be compromised by trolls who post malicious replies to help threads. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 21:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
1.( http://peckedbyducks.com/) and 2.( http://cyberstalkers.blogspot.com/)
I attempted to convert my edits links to full citations, but I was unable to do that. I ask that anyone interested in making proper full citations, to please do so. I thank you for your help. Below are the sentences I added and the details of their reference,
1. "Classified ad flagging does not require account log in or registration, and can be made anonymously by any visitor". ref name="faq000" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#000 ) (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
2. "The number of flaggings required for a posting's removal is variable and remains unknown to all but craigslist.org". ref name="faq000" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#000 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
3. "Flaggings can also occur as acts of disruptive vandalism and for the removal of competitors postings". ref name="faq000" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#000 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
4. "The Flag Help Forum is an unmoderated volunteer community, it is not staffed by craigslist employees, and it is not affiliated with craigslist.org". http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#volunteers (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( article title = " Volunteers " )( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
5. "The forum volunteers have no access to information about craigslist.org user accounts or ads, and must rely upon information supplied by the ad poster to try and piece together the reason an ad was flagged and removed". ref name="faq001" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#001 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
6. "The Flag Help Forum's unmoderated format allows anyone, including disruptive trolls, to post anonymously and without accountability". http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#Unmoderated (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( article title = " Unmoderated " )( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
7. "The forums usefulness and effectiveness can be compromised by trolls who post malicious replies to help threads". ref name="faq001" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#001 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
Thank you very much for taking your time and effort to help me with these citations. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 12:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Being WP:BOLD, I created a new section entitled "Erotic and Adult Services controversy", and moved the three related events from the "Significant events" section, as those events were overpowering what should be just a timeline with event mentions. I think it makes the article better, but if you disagree, please feel free to revert and/or discuss. No content was deleted. At some point, this whole new section should be merged to Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users, leaving that section as a summary section in this article per WP:SUMMARY. But the controversies article needs a major restructuring and rewrite first, as it's just a list at this point. Thank you. — Becksguy ( talk) 10:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Wikidemon, and I agree it was UNDUE and had intended to move it. (As an aside, however, the move highlights the how badly the child article needs a restructuring, but that's a separate issue.) And merging the bullet items works. However, now there is no real indication in the body of this article that there is an Craigslist controversies article. We need a very short WP:SUMMARY section to so indicate. I'll whip up something, unless you would rather. The sentence about adult ads from the description could be moved there also. I agree with you about the flagging section. — Becksguy ( talk) 23:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
(Related to the "Flagging" issue mentioned aboved:) I searched on Wikipedia the terms: 'flagging', 'forum flagging', and 'internet forum flaggings', and found nothing. A search of 'internet troll abuse' found three articles ('troll', 'abuse', 'internet forum 3.1 troll)' none of those articles specifically mentioned or discussed Flaggings or Help Forum Troll abuse. I must ask if the information in the Craigslist article about; "Unmoderated Forum Troll abuse", and "Flagging vandalism" is a proper and acceptable inclusion in an encyclopedia article? (It is negative behavior, and it is negative comment...but on the other hand, the article had originally provided only a lengthy and rosy, one sided account of Craigslist.org flagging system and flag help forum.) When I first visited and read the Wikipedia article "Craigslist", I was searching for information and an understanding about the abuse, I as a Craigslist user, had been subjected to at the Flag Help Forum. The Wikipedia article had been my first stop, and I was left wondering why the article painted only a rosy picture of the flagging system and Flag Help Forum, and made no mention of flag/forum abuse. If making a mention of 'Flagging' and 'Forum abuse' within the Craigslist article is considered poor or bad encyclopedic form, then it should be removed. I would then urge that the original/reverted paragraph (about 'User Flagging' and 'Flag Help Forum') be edited to a brief comment, sounding less like a Public Relations statement created by Craigslist. Or ideally remove the whole paragraph and make no mention of 'Flagging' and the 'Flag Help Forum'. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 15:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
From: "Background" section:
The referenced article is claimed to have been accessed on May 8th, 2008. The current "fact sheet" page to which this refers does not include the words "WELL" "MindVox" or "Usenet." Further, A copy of the "fact sheet" closer or on the above date is not accessible from the Internet Archive. The closest I could find was from 2007: [1] which also did not include any of the history required above. If we permit a sort of "reference squeeze theorem" the 2008 version is bounded above and below, and since it doesn't seem the FactSheet has changed much between 2007 and 2010, it's unlikely the information it has claimed to contain was ever added.
On the other hand, Craig's The Faster Times post here [2] shares a claimed artifact from The WELL that explains and links to an early face of Craigslist being hosted on The Well's web servers.
No such source for MindVox or Usenet were easily located. Anyone have additional sources or info? Either way, this section needs to be updated. It might be best to look at the print literature, and deal with this once and for all.
Mattsenate ( talk) 21:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I added 5 sources stating that craigslist is a hookup site (that does not mean it is not a car buying site nor does the fact that it is a car site preclude it from being a personals site as well, just another one of its features. Hemanetwork ( talk) 21:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
the material on syphilis and dating should not be removed.THISBITES 19:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisbites ( talk • contribs)
At some point, perhaps a new section (a controversies section or a section just on this subject) should be added: Craigslist Ghosting. If you google it, you get a fair amount of results (although there are probably other names for it). It's when you post an ad on Craigslist, it publishes fine, you can click on the link to your ad (from the edit page) and see it fine, but it never shows up in the category or in searches.
Also, something about not being able to receive support for craigslist ads would be nice. There's the help desk, but it's only manned by users. You can email them, but apparently you can only get generic responses. 173.139.48.255 ( talk) 07:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
The neutrality of the reception section is highly questionable. I understand how a site like Craigslist could receive criticism, but can we at least get some positive sources in? Ctrlaltdecimate ( talk) 05:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I saw an advertizement for this site and it looks legite. But they were asking for money up front right away. Is this a scam or is this a legite site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.84.43.138 ( talk) 05:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Popular media might want to over-simplify the "dangerous nature" of Craigslist, but that does not mean that wikipedia should do likewise. Mentioning all the "incidents", some of which are only tangentally related to Craigslist (some girl's boyfriend killed some guy she met on craigslist). If I read a craigslist ad, and then get in a car accident, does Craigslist cause car accidents? How about detailing all the "incidents" where people have died inside a McDonald's restaurant? How many former IBM employees have committed Domestic Violence? Is there a "Domestic Violence Incidents" section under the wikipedia article for IBM? Post Office worker "incidents" on the US Post Office wikipedia? Over the last 10,000 years, most of the people that have eaten carrots are now dead. Do carrots kill people? Does the "Carrot Wiki" have an "Incident" section for this?
````Jonny Quick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonny Quick ( talk • contribs) 06:12, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
People from tha city can complain about anything! My god! Piratejosh85 ( talk) 14:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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Nickg82 ( talk) 05:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC) Nickg82 ( talk) 05:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Why are you biased Wikipedia craigslist fanboys leaving out the years old complained about issues of flagging trolls? Get with it morons. Anyone can find such complaints all over the net including on craig's own personal blog. Get a clue already. 71.22.177.70 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The article contained a recently added section, which was just removed. Its content was
“ | Although most transactions conducted with the Craigslist service are peaceful, there were notable instances of violent crimes committed against and by posters and respondents of the service.
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In 2007 an autistic teenager Michael John Anderson from Savage, Minnesota placed an advertisement for a babysitting position posing as a mother named Amy. He lured 24 year old drama-art student Katherine Ann Olson to his home for a job interview and shot her with a .357 Handgun. [3] [4] In 2011 medical student Philip Markoff dubbed the 'Craigslist Killer' murdered and robbed Julissa Brisman. Markoff robbed and assaulted Trisha Leffler and Corinne Stout. Although no clear evidence links Markam to using the service, all three victims posted erotic ads on Craigslist. [5] [6] In 2013 Miranda Barbour and her husband Elyette Barbour arranged to rendezvous with Troy LaFerrara on Craigslist. During the meet Elyette strangled LaFerrara as Miranda stabbed him 20 times. They stated that they 'wanted to murder someone together'. [7] In 2014 Nevada resident, David Brown dissected five dogs he adopted from Craigslist. The hotel 8 manager reported the animal abuse when a maid found the dismembered limbs of the dogs in his motel room. He inflicted the abuse to suppress "urges of rage". [8] In 2014, Wyoming Michigan resident Brady Oestrike arranged to rendezvous with pregnant mother Brooke Slocum and her boyfriend Charles Oppennee in Gezon Park. Police discovered a Craigslist contact between Slocum and Oestrike. Oestrike allegedly decapitated Oppennee and strangled Slocum killing her and her unborn child. He murdered his victims after abducting them and holding them captive in his dungeon-like basement. Upon investigation of Oestrike's home, police discovered firearms and ammunition, melee weapons, medieval bondage restraints, and surveillance electronics. [9] [10] [11] Violent crimes references
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The reasons given for its removal are not very relevant, undue weight, sensationalistic, and unencyclopedic.
I am not so sure it should be deleted. It is well sourced, broad in coverage, and obviously notable—therefore relevant to Craigslist's advertisements. I don't see how it could be called "sensationalistic" since it is written in neutral language. The undue weight I partially agree with. It should be condensed somewhat. Unencyclopedic? Probably not. Crime associated with Craigslist ads are frequently mentioned on television and radio news and part of the collective social consciousness. The proper way to balance it would be some source which indicates how many ads or transactions occur with no crime. — EncMstr ( talk) 00:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
> In August 13, 2004, Newmark announced on his blog that auction giant eBay had purchased a 25% stake in the company... > [snip] As of April 2012, there have been no substantive changes to the usefulness or non-advertising nature of > the site—no banner ads, charges for a few services provided to businesses.
(1.) How "useful" a site is is quite subjective, isn't it? Did people anticipate that eBay would make the site more or less "useful"? What would that look like? I suspect the writer actually meant the site's functionality (design) hadn't been changed.
(2.) It's a bit awkward simply saying Craigslist has a "non-advertising nature", as it's intrinsically an ad site.
(3.) I assume the last part means that charges were imposed for a few business-related services. However, the sentence begins by describing ways CL has not been changed, so that should be clarified.
With these in mind, I suggest replacing the last sentence above with this (I haven't done it, as I'm guessing about a couple of things):
"However, as of April 2012, no substantive changes have been made to the site's functionality, and it remains free of third-party advertising. Charges have been imposed for a few services provided to businesses."
– AndyFielding ( talk) 06:30, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
A whois for craigslist.org shows "Created on 1997-09-11" but the Wikipedia page says the domain was registered in 1996 and the web site launched then. Am I reading whois wrong, or is the page wrong? JustinHall ( talk) 00:49, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Back in 2010, during the Phillip Markoff murder case, an article was created that logged murders that were facilitated through a method whereby a criminal lured people with a Craigslist ad. There were many such cases at the time, and the data was online in Wikipedia. Then there was an editorial conflict, in which people (probably working for Craigslist) tried to get the material all removed. For a while, a much abbreviated form of the list was available online. Now, 5 years later, it is gone.
I am asking about it because yet another Craigslist-facilitated crime has occurred (a women beat and stabbed another woman who was 7 months pregnant in an attempt to steal her viable fetus, but the baby died; the victim is expected to recover, the suspect is in jail).
I had worked on the Markoff page and had been part of the unsuccessful attempt to maintain the "Crigslist crimes" page-list without engaging in "Craigslist shaming" but i see now that it has all been removed. I view this as yet another successful attempt by a corporate or governmental "editor" to astro-turf Wikipedia.
Meanwhile, a search at google shows other sites maintaining such historical lists with no trouble.
I am not only putting the focus on murder; see this 2011 article:
http://www.ibtimes.com/craigslist-cesspool-crime-study-270401
with this quote:
"Classifieds site Craigslist has been linked with 330 crimes, 12 murders and 105 robberies or assaults in the United States last year [2010] due to anonymous interactions on the site, says a new study."
Then we have this article from 2015:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/craigslist-killings/
with this quote:
"There Have Been At Least 45 'Craigslist Killings' Since 2009: Report"
And here is another article from 2015:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/study-show-spike-metro-murders-linked-craigslist/nkZ7Y/
which includes this interesting quote:
"A Florida-based consulting firm's latest report linked 84 killings to Craigslist transactions"
and this:
"Police say conducting Craigslist transactions in law enforcement parking lots will also cut down on the number of other violent crimes they see, like robberies, linked to Craigslist."
Finally, here is a list with names, photos, and dates, as well as arrest, conviction, and sentencing reports; the data would need cross-crecking and verification, but it is a good place to start from.
http://lawstreetmedia.com/killers-craigslist/
"Law Street identified 58 murderers and 45 murder victims connected to Craigslist postings through last June [2014]. Twenty-two murder cases are still pending. The oldest pending case dates to 2012, and eight are from 2014, indications that the killings continue. Craigslist did not reply to multiple inquiries."
I think it is time to re-examine the idea of a "Caigslist and crime" article. I do not believe it should be part of the Craigslist article, but rather a "See also" It is a topic that has been consistently in the news, year after year for at least six years now, and as the number of murders mounts (not even counting the robberies, beatings, and attempted murders) it is something people are asking about online and in street life, hence there should be an article on it.
catherine yrnwode (not logged in) 75.101.104.17 ( talk) 00:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
These links lead to archived material from this talk page about "Craigslist and crime."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#FBI:_Craigslist_Used_In_Murder-For-Hire_Case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#Murders_are_trivial.3F.3F.3F
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#Merger_proposal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#.22Incidents.22_should_be_removed
During those earlier discussions, the most persuasiva argument against having such material in Wikipedia seems to have been that terms like "Craigslist killings" were part of a technophobic media circus and that we, as technophilics, know better than to fall for the hysteria. As time has gone on, however, it is quite obvious that this argument is baseless: Craigslist is still being used by killers, robbers, and other predtors as a way to lure victims into unprotected spaces. If we take only the murders (and i would not -- i think the entire range of crimes should be addressed), and the middle-of-the-road estimate of 45 Craigslist-facilitated murders from the beinning of 2009 through the first quarter of 2015, i think you will see why i believe that it is time that Wikipedia acknowledges the fact and creates an article on the phenomenon.
catherine yronwode (not logged in 75.101.104.17 ( talk) 00:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
This section:
Items are flagged for three categories: miscategorized, prohibited, or spam/overpost. Users are given a short description of each category.
is no longer accurate. CL ads now just have a single "prohibited" link to record a flag against a given ad. (presumably since spam and mis-categorizing an ad are prohibited anyway)
This section:
Flagging also occurs as acts of vandalism by groups of individuals at different ISPs to trigger the automated removal process of postings.
is a popular myth (mostly among spammers who refuse to consider that their ads are being properly removed as a result of their OWN abuse of the site) and was never true, and should be removed. A close reading of this portion of the very citation that text uses ( http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/pages/flagged.htm ) will find: One person cannot set multiple flags on one ad. Well, ok, they can. But because of the protections craigslist uses it is a LOT of work to do. Even those that know how are very unlikely to bother. It's easier to send a hate-o-gram from an anon. email if you think something is truly wretched. The case where an ad has been flagged off by someone using a script or something is SO rare that it is well worth considering absolutely everything else first. 208.82.103.103 ( talk) 04:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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Some users allege that flagging may also occur as acts of vandalism by groups of individuals at different ISPs, but no evidence of this has ever been produced. (Googling "craigslist flagging software" or "Craigslist flagging service" will quickly reveal the preceding sentence to be naive at best, if not fraudulently false.)
Should be revised to:
Some users allege that flagging may also occur as acts of vandalism by groups of individuals at different ISPs, but no evidence of this has ever been produced. While there are many sites on the Internet that claim to offer such software or services, none have ever been demonstrated to actually work. Most of them are scams intended to take money from fools.
Alternately, revert this vandal's edit:
23:25, 19 March 2018 Saskbill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmega99 ( talk • contribs)
Its true Sulaimonakeem484 ( talk) 14:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
The text of this article fails to mention (other than in the info box) that craigslist is privately held. To the contrary, the article text indicates that craigslist is publicly held.
In addition, much of the information is outdated and has no mention of the bumpy ride craigslist has had since 2018 with nearly a 50% drop in revenue (to $566 million from about one billion dollars, though it has recovered to nearly $700 million since).
The business has become much different than that described in the article. — Neonorange ( talk to Phil) (he, they) 00:01, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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Who own's Craiglist? Craig? The article doesn't say. Sylvain1972 20:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is it craigslist or Craigslist? The article has multiple uses of each, which is correct? I'll go ahead and change everything to uppercase. If this is incorrect then please add the article to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) by using the boilerplate Template:Wrongtitle. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Wrongtitle for more examples of articles with lowercase titles and how they are dealt with. Cacophony 22:52, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)
The "wrong title" template should be removed. Grammatically, even something that is not normally capitalized is capitalized when it begins a sentence, paragraph or article. Thus, "craigslist" should be rendered "Craigslist" at the top of the article and whenever it begins a sentence.
The article is rather confusing and unclear. It talks about being incorporated and eBay buying a stake, but also discusses Craigslist Foundation as a non-profit. Does this foundation really have anything to do with craigslist, other than having some of the same people involved? Its website discusses helping "emerging nonprofit organizations" pretty generically, and doesn't indicate that the foundation actually helps fund or operate craigslist itself. However, someone could certainly walk away with that impression from this article. -- Michael Snow 01:49, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I've removed the former links 8 & 9, to stories of the controversy with Live 8. They seem to be dead. DGG 06:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Does the section List of cities serve any purpose? An up-to-date version is always available at the official web site. Besides, this seems to be contrary to WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I propose the section be removed, and information about the first ten cities be rolled into the background and/or significant events sections. — EncMstr 02:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to edit this page, and "Craig Newmark", for accuracy, and maybe the addition of other good external links. I've been asking in a few places as to the proper etiquette, and do appreciate feedback. thanks!
Craig (craig@craigslist.org) Cnewmark 21:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
maybe some corrections:
... more to come, thanks!... Cnewmark 21:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Um, regarding the last six items, I'm the guy behind all this, and am confused as to the current results. If it's a matter of authentication, how do I fix that? If it's expeditious, I can get help from Jimmy. thanks! Craig craig@craigslist.org Cnewmark 03:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
not complaining, just figuring it out. thanks!
Craig
fyi... this will probably get into the news, some interest today at big media event. this is a real interesting problem.
(I've asked for volunteers to chime in here.) — EncMstr 08:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
EncMstr said:
>>:I goggled for ten to fifteen minutes on each of these items, but couldn't find any useful sources:
THIS VERY PAGE is the reference for those items, EncMstr ^__^
—— Lumarine
Lumarine, thanks! That's what I'd think. I'm not pushing on this, it's a big issue for everyone. Cnewmark 17:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Why are those considered "linkspam"? -- Rocksanddirt 19:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This bit of vandalism might actually be true (based on my cl experiences) though would need some sort of reference.... -- Rocksanddirt 15:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
1990's technology skyrocketing to 2010. That's what the site looks like to me. It's difficult to navigate, the forms are poorley laid out and very clunky. Maybe we should all go back to writing CGI scripts. In 12 years of net searches I've never turned up a single link to Craig's List. Odd for such a popular site, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.147.71.211 ( talk)
The finnancial information (especially the ownership stuff) needs references! It's not negative, or defamatory, so I didn't remove it, but it comes close to crossing the line of WP:BLP in terms of unsourced hearsay on living people. -- Rocksanddirt 15:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe Craigslist would want to advertise that a bunch of their userbase got pranked, and the links seem to check out. Plus, the guy said he got interviewed by the New York Times, so we'll have to see how that turns out. I don't want some lame-@## edit war to start, so I thought it'd be good to bring it up in the talk page first.-- 198.82.92.132 17:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
ED certainly is notable enough to be mentioned. See this MSNBC video, which was originally from CNN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loopscaler ( talk • contribs) 10:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
eBay, it seems, is trying to compete with Craigslist with their own Kijiji service. It offers exactly the same layout and operation etc... This is odd because eBay owns a stake in Craigslist. Should there be some mention of this in the article?
198.146.33.10 15:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
reverting the edit where someone removed "erotic services" on the list of ads that craigslist supplies until someone can give me a good reason not to have it. i'd say this is one of the more well known and infamous things that craigslist provides. 23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason why????.
Answer: Yes, there were major power outages in San Fran.
00:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
In July 2005, Craigslist beamed over 2 million classified ads into deep space (one light year) in the near future, Er, so were the messages beamed in July 2005 or not? Perhaps July 2005 is just when Craiglist won the rights, or announced their intentions to beam ads into space. This should be clarified, and if they didn't beam them into space until later, that date should be given. 00:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
PETA is protesting Craiglist after an known animal abuser obtained a victim who was "Free to a Good Home", you better a careful eye on this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hailey C. Shannon ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
We just got a clean-up tag on this article from someone who considers this section unencyclopedic. Although I think "trivia" is a misnomer, this suffers from a similar problem as trivia so I won't remove the tag. It's a random assortment of events that are added as bullet points, without context, and that don't add to the understanding of Craigslist.
The main problem is the addition of crimes, scams, frauds, etc., in the list of significant events. I had divided a single "controversies" section into these three because a crime/misdeed committed involving Craigslist is not a controversy. A controversy about ab usienss is a dispute among people over something that casts a negative light on the business. There does not seem to be any dispute or disagreement over these events or their relation to Craigslist, and there is nothing in most of them to suggest that Craigslist had anything to do with them. They are simply events, not controversies.
I think most of these are not relevant events. Crime and business fraud are endemic to our entire society. Some people think that it's more prevalent on Craigslist, but others disagree. The fact that a crime is committed, and Craigslist is somehow an element in the crime, does not without more shed any light on Craigslist. It is clear that much of the reporting of Craigslist-related crimes is simple headline-promotion on the part of the media, which years ago when the Internet was new latched onto the public's unease about the Internet by sensationalizing every crime where the Internet was involved. Might as well report every incident of a screwdriver being involved in a crime, in an article about screwdrivers. If there is a reliable source that cites a statement that Craigslist fosters crime, now that is a controversy and deserves mention in the controversies section. Likewise, if there is a notable accusation (e.g. by PETA) that Craigslist is behaving improperly, then depending on how that plays out that may be an incident or a controversy. But simply pointing out that something happened, and Craigslist is mentioned, is not even news, much less encyclopedic.
Given all that, I am proposing to excise all of the historical incidents, controversies, and criticisms, that do not establish relevance to the subject of the article. Rather than deleting them, I will create a new list article, "Things that happened on Craigslist" (or some better title if I can think of one), with some reasonable standards for inclusion. People can then add crime reports on that article to their heart's content, although I don't plan on monitoring that article for quality. That gives everybody what they want. The Craigslist article stays clean and focused, and those who want a list of interesting things that happened on Craigslist will have a more welcoming place to put their info. If there's no great opposition I'll probably do this in a few days. Wikidemo 20:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The screenshot is cropped, and filters out services, including controversial "erotic services" implicated in child prostitution rings around the country. Could sombody capture a full screen shot instead of the current cropped screenshot? Ra2007 ( talk) 18:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Should we mention the song "Craig's List" by nerdcore rapper Schaffer the Darklord? Brand Eks ( talk) 19:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22860988/ Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 14:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Such a significant portion of Jobs listed on Craigslist here (Indianapolis, IN, US) are hoaxes or scams that I feel this phenomenon deserves mention in the article. Well over half of the ads are obvious scams, pyramid schemes, etc. The percent is even higher under Services. These two categories are essentially made not useful, in this city, due to the crud that is posted. Craigslist's allowance for changing font colors in job postings enables posters to embed random words and passages inside the post as lightyellow, I don't know what purpose this servers, maybe it bypasses a filter somehow.
Apartment rental listings are also made less than useful by the massive overposting. Today on 3/21/08, going into the weekend, there's about 100 rentals posted, and most have the same format in the title. These posts have an ID number embedded in the post, as in, the ID of the poster.
Take away Apartments, Jobs, and Services, and Craigslist here (ymmv) is severly limited in its reach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.33.113 ( talk) 19:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There is more to this issue than just the scam postings. In an effort to control this problem, Craigslist has implemented some word restrictions that block ads from appearing on the site. Unfortunately this was done with insufficient process design, overview and management. This has resulted in Craigslist improperly restricting legitimate ads without providing posted help information, notification to the author, or any form of review and correction process.
Scope of the Issue: Blocked Ads are accepted and confirmed by Craigslist. They appear as current ads in an account list. Unlike flagging, these ads are actually blocked and simply never appear in the index. No information or notice is given to the author of the ad about the block.
If I had to guess, Craigslist just dumps these ads into a giant bit-bucket because someone had the idea that the ads would be reviewed by the handful of staff but the job was immense and now these ads land in an abyss (I admit no reliable sources for this assumption).
Ironic Ramifications: Legitimate jobs from non-profit organiztions are being blocked because the term Membership Recruitment is a resticted job posting. Members are to non-profit organizations as shareholders are to for-profit companies. And recruiting members is a very legitimate and necessary job function for non-profits. If non-profits are not supposed to recruit members to help with their mission, why should they even exist?
The irony of this discriminatory practice (some would use the word censorship) is that Craigslist promotes itself as being a strong proponent of non-profits and certainly touts its allowance for free speech. A reliable source for this issue is found at http://www.pressrelease365.com/pr/industry/non-profit/craigslist-org-non-profit-job-postings-2603.htm.
The issue is currently seen as being trivial to some, but this is likely because the group it most affects are often under-funded volunteer-based organizations that have few, if any, resources to combat the issue. Additional sources of affected organizations or the issue being raised by traditional media may alter that perspective.
MrISDN 17:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to add warnings about renting. I just put up a post to rent out my apartment and I got contacted by 6 different fake people posing as people coming in from different countries wanting to pay me in full in advance for what they owe. They will ask detailed questions about the apartment and explain information about themselves-sometimes even what company they will be working for. After several emails back and fourth a third party is mentioned that is their american contact or financial advisior or travel agent. Somehow they end up sending you a check for more than they owe you and ask you to give the rest of the money to this contact. I assume that the check then bouces after the money is given to a third party. I think people should be warned of these emails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziggylion ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed a section on some hoax stuff. There needs to be reliable sources for that kind of thing. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 03:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the murder of someone using the subject of an article is unnotable, especially when it is not an intrinsic part of that subject. If we were talking about the Smith & Wesson .357 magnum, then it would be unmanageable to list all the murders. But last time I checked, Craigslist's primary goal wasn't illicit activity. Beyond that, in one instance ( Michael John Anderson) the murder itself has been referred to since by the media in general as "The Craigslist Murder." That would seem to pretty much make it a given to be included. 24.24.211.239 ( talk) 21:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
ABC News Article entitled "Teen Charged in Craigslist Killing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.211.239 ( talk) 21:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I think Craigslist article needs a criticism section on what appears to be a rampant problem with flagging, which is sabotaging the utility of the site. Some basic research on the web has turned up descriptions such as this:
It is almost impossible to keep even the most innocent and non-commercial post online for more than a few hours before it is flagged off Craigslist. The sheer speed with which posts get flagged strongly suggests that some people are using automated flagging software.
There also appears seems to be some evidence that people are doing this to wipe competing ads from rotation. I think it may be worthwhile to try to find appropriate sources and work this into the article. - Rolypolyman ( talk) 18:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
A brazen crook apparently used a Craigslist ad to hire a dozen unsuspecting decoys to help him make his getaway following a robbery outside a bank. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.80.134.168 ( talk) 12:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I may be an idiot, but there's no link to the site in question on the page... 193.13.139.29 ( talk) 11:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The section Craigslist#Controversies_and_illegal_activities_by_users was moved to Craigslist_controversies_and_illegal_activities_by_users and is now in AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Craigslist_controversies_and_illegal_activities_by_users, should people care to contribute to the discussion. Should it be kept, it does need to be summarized in some way in this article rather than merely linked. Шизомби ( talk) 19:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the AfD was keep. However, I would tend to favor remerging the material back into this article from where it was removed. Шизомби ( talk) 19:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users had been a subsection of this article, but was made into a new article, the timing of it apparently relating to the creation of and AfD of List of Craigslist killers and Internet homicide and perhaps some other related articles. Initially a subheader was left with a wikilink to the other article the only content below it; since, that has been changed to the article being listed as a "see also." I am uncertain of the reason for the creation of the new article. In the AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users, a number of editors favored returning the material here to Craigslist, though some favored keeping it, and there was a little support for deleting it entirely. The closing admin noted that the merge proposal should take place at the talk page, so here it is. Шизомби ( talk) 04:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
It should absolutely be added into the section, because it is a Craigslist page. Wikipedia does not separate the good from the bad on any other business or service it has information on, from what I have seen. Information is information and it should be organized in a way that all of it is visible without hunting for the more controversial sections. If the two were to stay separated then there should be a page for praises and commendations. It only makes sense to combine the sections so all the pertinent information is easy accessible, do not hide the bad because some people are irresponsible and cannot use craigslist without sinister motives. Chris May 20, 2009
This should be revisited The Craigslist article is not balanced. The fact that Craigslist is basically un-moderated has enabled people to take advantage of other users and has had dire consequences. The confusion and unspecified nature of Craigslist rules such as the avoidance of disallowing prostitution but prohibition on selling pets is an important point. The Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users article is probably appropriate posted separately since it is so BIG but some of the content should be added back to the main article. If some other website got as many people killed (Ebay for instance) there would be great public outcry. It is not balanced to treat Craigslist differently. I disagree that it is technological phobia or media hype. Craigslist is basically the wild west. You can do what ever you want until someone else shoots you down. So being community moderated (which is a strength) makes it susceptible to a few people making the experience bad for other users(which is its weakness). Are there not some references on this? Gsonwiki ( talk) 04:20, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
It is well known that Craigslist is rampant with "flakes" (fake people). Pic collectors are also well known. This is the negativity that comes with the territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.191.44.208 ( talk) 12:30, 26 May 2009 UTC
This is pretty much common sense. There's ALWAYS going to be flakes and pic collectors all over the Net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.130.146 ( talk) 06:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not bound by Craigslist's trademark usage rules. Our capitalization in this article is governed by the Wikipedia Manual of Style. The Manual of Style offers the web site Craigslist as one of the specific examples of trademarks that should be rendered using standard capitalization regardless of the trademark owner's own formatting:
Trademarks rendered without any capitals are always capitalized:
- avoid: thirtysomething is a television show that may have been sponsored by adidas, but not by craigslist, because the show was over before craigslist existed.
- instead, use: Thirtysomething is a television show that may have been sponsored by Adidas, but not by Craigslist, because the show was over before Craigslist existed.
I appreciate that you may disagree with the Manual of Style. If you believe there is a compelling reason we should sacrifice legibility and professionalism to more closely imitate the nonstandard capitalization used by trademark owners, please discuss the issue on the talk page for this section of the Manual of Style. This article is the flagship example of when not to use initial lowercase letters for proper nouns. There is no place in Wikipedia where our decision is clearer and easier: we render the name as "Craigslist". — Burn Down Babylon 00:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
A women from the philadelphia area offered to do anything for Phillies World Series 2009 tickets (sex intended). This has been all over local news and even around the country. She was reported by a bensalem atea police and was not inprisioned becuase of how she worded her statement. She eventually received both tickets and a new car from a car dealer with no strings attacted.--Cooly123 17:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
There is an uncited bulletpoint under Criticisms that appears to be a personal inconvinence rather than a true criticism. Since I have just started and do not know the system as well. I bring this forward for discussion.
Example:
Hi! and Welcome! generally something like the observed bullet can be removed without much question. If there is a reference to the observation, then it should not be removed, but discussed here to see if as a group editors think it should be in or out. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 22:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I recently used the craigslist 'flag help forum' for the first time; very quickly I was swarmed and attacked by some very hostile persons (trolls) who posted insults and abuse. I was completely surprised that such behavior could come out of the craigslist organization. I did some research and found out that such activity has been allowed to happen for at least two years.
I have two questions; and being 'new' I hope these are appropriate and that you might be able to provide some information.
1. Why does the 'craigslist' article not mention this little known, but very present and active abusive behavior of anonymous flaggings, and anonymous forum postings by trolls.
2. I would like to add to the article a mention of this misbehavior. And insert an 'External Link" to one one several internet sites that have written about flagging abuse and troll activity at craigslist.
My reason for this is; It is highly unusual for any business to allow such an negative and hostile activity to occur, and be associated with that business. For that reason alone, mention of anonymous flagging, and uncontrolled troll attacks is noteworthy article information that helps to fully describe this business. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 19:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I edited the craigslist article today. I have added seven sentences, that relate to craigslist Classified Ad flagging and information about Craigslist Flag Help Forum. ((PLEASE NOTE THAT: All citations came from craigslist.org help and forum help pages...I used no blogs))
1. Classified ad flagging doesn't require account login or registration, and can be made anonymously by any visitor. 2. The number of required flaggings is variable and remains unknown to all but craigslist.org. 3. Flagging can occur as acts of disruptive vandalism and for the removal of competitors postings. 4. The Flag Help Forum is an unmoderated volunteer community, it is not staffed by craigslist.org employees, and it is not affiliated with craigslist.org. 5. The forum volunteers have no access to information about craigslist.org user accounts or ads, and must rely upon information supplied by the ad placer to try and piece together the reason an ad was flagged and removed. 6. The Flag Help Forum's unmoderated format allows anyone, including disruptive trolls, to post anonymously and without accountability. 7. The forums usefulness and effectiveness can be compromised by trolls who post malicious replies to help threads. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 21:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
1.( http://peckedbyducks.com/) and 2.( http://cyberstalkers.blogspot.com/)
I attempted to convert my edits links to full citations, but I was unable to do that. I ask that anyone interested in making proper full citations, to please do so. I thank you for your help. Below are the sentences I added and the details of their reference,
1. "Classified ad flagging does not require account log in or registration, and can be made anonymously by any visitor". ref name="faq000" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#000 ) (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
2. "The number of flaggings required for a posting's removal is variable and remains unknown to all but craigslist.org". ref name="faq000" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#000 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
3. "Flaggings can also occur as acts of disruptive vandalism and for the removal of competitors postings". ref name="faq000" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#000 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
4. "The Flag Help Forum is an unmoderated volunteer community, it is not staffed by craigslist employees, and it is not affiliated with craigslist.org". http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#volunteers (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( article title = " Volunteers " )( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
5. "The forum volunteers have no access to information about craigslist.org user accounts or ads, and must rely upon information supplied by the ad poster to try and piece together the reason an ad was flagged and removed". ref name="faq001" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#001 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
6. "The Flag Help Forum's unmoderated format allows anyone, including disruptive trolls, to post anonymously and without accountability". http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#Unmoderated (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( article title = " Unmoderated " )( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
7. "The forums usefulness and effectiveness can be compromised by trolls who post malicious replies to help threads". ref name="faq001" http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/Flagged_FAQ.htm#001 (web site = " Unofficial Flag FAQ " ) ( name of authors = " craigslist users " or " Flag Help Forum Volunteers " ) ( Retreived on = 09/15/2010 )
Thank you very much for taking your time and effort to help me with these citations. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 12:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Being WP:BOLD, I created a new section entitled "Erotic and Adult Services controversy", and moved the three related events from the "Significant events" section, as those events were overpowering what should be just a timeline with event mentions. I think it makes the article better, but if you disagree, please feel free to revert and/or discuss. No content was deleted. At some point, this whole new section should be merged to Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users, leaving that section as a summary section in this article per WP:SUMMARY. But the controversies article needs a major restructuring and rewrite first, as it's just a list at this point. Thank you. — Becksguy ( talk) 10:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Wikidemon, and I agree it was UNDUE and had intended to move it. (As an aside, however, the move highlights the how badly the child article needs a restructuring, but that's a separate issue.) And merging the bullet items works. However, now there is no real indication in the body of this article that there is an Craigslist controversies article. We need a very short WP:SUMMARY section to so indicate. I'll whip up something, unless you would rather. The sentence about adult ads from the description could be moved there also. I agree with you about the flagging section. — Becksguy ( talk) 23:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
(Related to the "Flagging" issue mentioned aboved:) I searched on Wikipedia the terms: 'flagging', 'forum flagging', and 'internet forum flaggings', and found nothing. A search of 'internet troll abuse' found three articles ('troll', 'abuse', 'internet forum 3.1 troll)' none of those articles specifically mentioned or discussed Flaggings or Help Forum Troll abuse. I must ask if the information in the Craigslist article about; "Unmoderated Forum Troll abuse", and "Flagging vandalism" is a proper and acceptable inclusion in an encyclopedia article? (It is negative behavior, and it is negative comment...but on the other hand, the article had originally provided only a lengthy and rosy, one sided account of Craigslist.org flagging system and flag help forum.) When I first visited and read the Wikipedia article "Craigslist", I was searching for information and an understanding about the abuse, I as a Craigslist user, had been subjected to at the Flag Help Forum. The Wikipedia article had been my first stop, and I was left wondering why the article painted only a rosy picture of the flagging system and Flag Help Forum, and made no mention of flag/forum abuse. If making a mention of 'Flagging' and 'Forum abuse' within the Craigslist article is considered poor or bad encyclopedic form, then it should be removed. I would then urge that the original/reverted paragraph (about 'User Flagging' and 'Flag Help Forum') be edited to a brief comment, sounding less like a Public Relations statement created by Craigslist. Or ideally remove the whole paragraph and make no mention of 'Flagging' and the 'Flag Help Forum'. Wikirjd7 ( talk) 15:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
From: "Background" section:
The referenced article is claimed to have been accessed on May 8th, 2008. The current "fact sheet" page to which this refers does not include the words "WELL" "MindVox" or "Usenet." Further, A copy of the "fact sheet" closer or on the above date is not accessible from the Internet Archive. The closest I could find was from 2007: [1] which also did not include any of the history required above. If we permit a sort of "reference squeeze theorem" the 2008 version is bounded above and below, and since it doesn't seem the FactSheet has changed much between 2007 and 2010, it's unlikely the information it has claimed to contain was ever added.
On the other hand, Craig's The Faster Times post here [2] shares a claimed artifact from The WELL that explains and links to an early face of Craigslist being hosted on The Well's web servers.
No such source for MindVox or Usenet were easily located. Anyone have additional sources or info? Either way, this section needs to be updated. It might be best to look at the print literature, and deal with this once and for all.
Mattsenate ( talk) 21:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I added 5 sources stating that craigslist is a hookup site (that does not mean it is not a car buying site nor does the fact that it is a car site preclude it from being a personals site as well, just another one of its features. Hemanetwork ( talk) 21:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
the material on syphilis and dating should not be removed.THISBITES 19:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisbites ( talk • contribs)
At some point, perhaps a new section (a controversies section or a section just on this subject) should be added: Craigslist Ghosting. If you google it, you get a fair amount of results (although there are probably other names for it). It's when you post an ad on Craigslist, it publishes fine, you can click on the link to your ad (from the edit page) and see it fine, but it never shows up in the category or in searches.
Also, something about not being able to receive support for craigslist ads would be nice. There's the help desk, but it's only manned by users. You can email them, but apparently you can only get generic responses. 173.139.48.255 ( talk) 07:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
The neutrality of the reception section is highly questionable. I understand how a site like Craigslist could receive criticism, but can we at least get some positive sources in? Ctrlaltdecimate ( talk) 05:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I saw an advertizement for this site and it looks legite. But they were asking for money up front right away. Is this a scam or is this a legite site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.84.43.138 ( talk) 05:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Popular media might want to over-simplify the "dangerous nature" of Craigslist, but that does not mean that wikipedia should do likewise. Mentioning all the "incidents", some of which are only tangentally related to Craigslist (some girl's boyfriend killed some guy she met on craigslist). If I read a craigslist ad, and then get in a car accident, does Craigslist cause car accidents? How about detailing all the "incidents" where people have died inside a McDonald's restaurant? How many former IBM employees have committed Domestic Violence? Is there a "Domestic Violence Incidents" section under the wikipedia article for IBM? Post Office worker "incidents" on the US Post Office wikipedia? Over the last 10,000 years, most of the people that have eaten carrots are now dead. Do carrots kill people? Does the "Carrot Wiki" have an "Incident" section for this?
````Jonny Quick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonny Quick ( talk • contribs) 06:12, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
People from tha city can complain about anything! My god! Piratejosh85 ( talk) 14:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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Why are you biased Wikipedia craigslist fanboys leaving out the years old complained about issues of flagging trolls? Get with it morons. Anyone can find such complaints all over the net including on craig's own personal blog. Get a clue already. 71.22.177.70 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The article contained a recently added section, which was just removed. Its content was
“ | Although most transactions conducted with the Craigslist service are peaceful, there were notable instances of violent crimes committed against and by posters and respondents of the service.
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In 2007 an autistic teenager Michael John Anderson from Savage, Minnesota placed an advertisement for a babysitting position posing as a mother named Amy. He lured 24 year old drama-art student Katherine Ann Olson to his home for a job interview and shot her with a .357 Handgun. [3] [4] In 2011 medical student Philip Markoff dubbed the 'Craigslist Killer' murdered and robbed Julissa Brisman. Markoff robbed and assaulted Trisha Leffler and Corinne Stout. Although no clear evidence links Markam to using the service, all three victims posted erotic ads on Craigslist. [5] [6] In 2013 Miranda Barbour and her husband Elyette Barbour arranged to rendezvous with Troy LaFerrara on Craigslist. During the meet Elyette strangled LaFerrara as Miranda stabbed him 20 times. They stated that they 'wanted to murder someone together'. [7] In 2014 Nevada resident, David Brown dissected five dogs he adopted from Craigslist. The hotel 8 manager reported the animal abuse when a maid found the dismembered limbs of the dogs in his motel room. He inflicted the abuse to suppress "urges of rage". [8] In 2014, Wyoming Michigan resident Brady Oestrike arranged to rendezvous with pregnant mother Brooke Slocum and her boyfriend Charles Oppennee in Gezon Park. Police discovered a Craigslist contact between Slocum and Oestrike. Oestrike allegedly decapitated Oppennee and strangled Slocum killing her and her unborn child. He murdered his victims after abducting them and holding them captive in his dungeon-like basement. Upon investigation of Oestrike's home, police discovered firearms and ammunition, melee weapons, medieval bondage restraints, and surveillance electronics. [9] [10] [11] Violent crimes references
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The reasons given for its removal are not very relevant, undue weight, sensationalistic, and unencyclopedic.
I am not so sure it should be deleted. It is well sourced, broad in coverage, and obviously notable—therefore relevant to Craigslist's advertisements. I don't see how it could be called "sensationalistic" since it is written in neutral language. The undue weight I partially agree with. It should be condensed somewhat. Unencyclopedic? Probably not. Crime associated with Craigslist ads are frequently mentioned on television and radio news and part of the collective social consciousness. The proper way to balance it would be some source which indicates how many ads or transactions occur with no crime. — EncMstr ( talk) 00:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
> In August 13, 2004, Newmark announced on his blog that auction giant eBay had purchased a 25% stake in the company... > [snip] As of April 2012, there have been no substantive changes to the usefulness or non-advertising nature of > the site—no banner ads, charges for a few services provided to businesses.
(1.) How "useful" a site is is quite subjective, isn't it? Did people anticipate that eBay would make the site more or less "useful"? What would that look like? I suspect the writer actually meant the site's functionality (design) hadn't been changed.
(2.) It's a bit awkward simply saying Craigslist has a "non-advertising nature", as it's intrinsically an ad site.
(3.) I assume the last part means that charges were imposed for a few business-related services. However, the sentence begins by describing ways CL has not been changed, so that should be clarified.
With these in mind, I suggest replacing the last sentence above with this (I haven't done it, as I'm guessing about a couple of things):
"However, as of April 2012, no substantive changes have been made to the site's functionality, and it remains free of third-party advertising. Charges have been imposed for a few services provided to businesses."
– AndyFielding ( talk) 06:30, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
A whois for craigslist.org shows "Created on 1997-09-11" but the Wikipedia page says the domain was registered in 1996 and the web site launched then. Am I reading whois wrong, or is the page wrong? JustinHall ( talk) 00:49, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Back in 2010, during the Phillip Markoff murder case, an article was created that logged murders that were facilitated through a method whereby a criminal lured people with a Craigslist ad. There were many such cases at the time, and the data was online in Wikipedia. Then there was an editorial conflict, in which people (probably working for Craigslist) tried to get the material all removed. For a while, a much abbreviated form of the list was available online. Now, 5 years later, it is gone.
I am asking about it because yet another Craigslist-facilitated crime has occurred (a women beat and stabbed another woman who was 7 months pregnant in an attempt to steal her viable fetus, but the baby died; the victim is expected to recover, the suspect is in jail).
I had worked on the Markoff page and had been part of the unsuccessful attempt to maintain the "Crigslist crimes" page-list without engaging in "Craigslist shaming" but i see now that it has all been removed. I view this as yet another successful attempt by a corporate or governmental "editor" to astro-turf Wikipedia.
Meanwhile, a search at google shows other sites maintaining such historical lists with no trouble.
I am not only putting the focus on murder; see this 2011 article:
http://www.ibtimes.com/craigslist-cesspool-crime-study-270401
with this quote:
"Classifieds site Craigslist has been linked with 330 crimes, 12 murders and 105 robberies or assaults in the United States last year [2010] due to anonymous interactions on the site, says a new study."
Then we have this article from 2015:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/craigslist-killings/
with this quote:
"There Have Been At Least 45 'Craigslist Killings' Since 2009: Report"
And here is another article from 2015:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/study-show-spike-metro-murders-linked-craigslist/nkZ7Y/
which includes this interesting quote:
"A Florida-based consulting firm's latest report linked 84 killings to Craigslist transactions"
and this:
"Police say conducting Craigslist transactions in law enforcement parking lots will also cut down on the number of other violent crimes they see, like robberies, linked to Craigslist."
Finally, here is a list with names, photos, and dates, as well as arrest, conviction, and sentencing reports; the data would need cross-crecking and verification, but it is a good place to start from.
http://lawstreetmedia.com/killers-craigslist/
"Law Street identified 58 murderers and 45 murder victims connected to Craigslist postings through last June [2014]. Twenty-two murder cases are still pending. The oldest pending case dates to 2012, and eight are from 2014, indications that the killings continue. Craigslist did not reply to multiple inquiries."
I think it is time to re-examine the idea of a "Caigslist and crime" article. I do not believe it should be part of the Craigslist article, but rather a "See also" It is a topic that has been consistently in the news, year after year for at least six years now, and as the number of murders mounts (not even counting the robberies, beatings, and attempted murders) it is something people are asking about online and in street life, hence there should be an article on it.
catherine yrnwode (not logged in) 75.101.104.17 ( talk) 00:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
These links lead to archived material from this talk page about "Craigslist and crime."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#FBI:_Craigslist_Used_In_Murder-For-Hire_Case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#Murders_are_trivial.3F.3F.3F
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#Merger_proposal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Craigslist/Archive_1#.22Incidents.22_should_be_removed
During those earlier discussions, the most persuasiva argument against having such material in Wikipedia seems to have been that terms like "Craigslist killings" were part of a technophobic media circus and that we, as technophilics, know better than to fall for the hysteria. As time has gone on, however, it is quite obvious that this argument is baseless: Craigslist is still being used by killers, robbers, and other predtors as a way to lure victims into unprotected spaces. If we take only the murders (and i would not -- i think the entire range of crimes should be addressed), and the middle-of-the-road estimate of 45 Craigslist-facilitated murders from the beinning of 2009 through the first quarter of 2015, i think you will see why i believe that it is time that Wikipedia acknowledges the fact and creates an article on the phenomenon.
catherine yronwode (not logged in 75.101.104.17 ( talk) 00:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
This section:
Items are flagged for three categories: miscategorized, prohibited, or spam/overpost. Users are given a short description of each category.
is no longer accurate. CL ads now just have a single "prohibited" link to record a flag against a given ad. (presumably since spam and mis-categorizing an ad are prohibited anyway)
This section:
Flagging also occurs as acts of vandalism by groups of individuals at different ISPs to trigger the automated removal process of postings.
is a popular myth (mostly among spammers who refuse to consider that their ads are being properly removed as a result of their OWN abuse of the site) and was never true, and should be removed. A close reading of this portion of the very citation that text uses ( http://www.eskimo.com/~newowl/pages/flagged.htm ) will find: One person cannot set multiple flags on one ad. Well, ok, they can. But because of the protections craigslist uses it is a LOT of work to do. Even those that know how are very unlikely to bother. It's easier to send a hate-o-gram from an anon. email if you think something is truly wretched. The case where an ad has been flagged off by someone using a script or something is SO rare that it is well worth considering absolutely everything else first. 208.82.103.103 ( talk) 04:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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Some users allege that flagging may also occur as acts of vandalism by groups of individuals at different ISPs, but no evidence of this has ever been produced. (Googling "craigslist flagging software" or "Craigslist flagging service" will quickly reveal the preceding sentence to be naive at best, if not fraudulently false.)
Should be revised to:
Some users allege that flagging may also occur as acts of vandalism by groups of individuals at different ISPs, but no evidence of this has ever been produced. While there are many sites on the Internet that claim to offer such software or services, none have ever been demonstrated to actually work. Most of them are scams intended to take money from fools.
Alternately, revert this vandal's edit:
23:25, 19 March 2018 Saskbill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmega99 ( talk • contribs)
Its true Sulaimonakeem484 ( talk) 14:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
The text of this article fails to mention (other than in the info box) that craigslist is privately held. To the contrary, the article text indicates that craigslist is publicly held.
In addition, much of the information is outdated and has no mention of the bumpy ride craigslist has had since 2018 with nearly a 50% drop in revenue (to $566 million from about one billion dollars, though it has recovered to nearly $700 million since).
The business has become much different than that described in the article. — Neonorange ( talk to Phil) (he, they) 00:01, 2 April 2023 (UTC)