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The Reflector
I have added a reference to a story that ran in MRC's student paper The Reflector. One editor purged the paragraph suggesting it was problematic - for whom exactly? It states the students allegations, and also that this was denied by the college. Whatever one's position, historical revisionism is almost as unnecessary as stating that a student newspaper as a source is not qualified for a BLP. BLP's do not need to be all-flattering, but must reflect objective balance. PositiveSpin ( talk) 06:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
One of the worst things Wikipedia can do is take a rumor known by a limited group (a few students here) and then spread it globally. One sentence, or many paragraphs, makes little difference. We've taken a rumor started by a couple students, spread by some fellow students on the student newspaper, and made it globally available, permanently. I have no interest in padding the article with a bunch of nice stuff, to make it all "balanced". As far as I know, Cheffins conduct with students, is an issue that only concerns him, his ex-students, and ex-employer. There's no indication anybody independent outside the MRC community took notice. Hence, even if the material was 100% true, it's still not encyclopedic. I don't want students using Wikipedia to gripe about their teachers. Cheffins has recceived lots of mainstream press attention. So, if this story is notable, let's see who noted it. -- Rob ( talk) 21:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you - the new edits seem to solve the WP:WEIGHT issue. However, I had to change the inference that college officials 'found the claims to be baseless'. This is not what the article states. Only one official who worked with Cheffins is actually quoted, and she 'suggested' a reason for the allegations and is emphatic that she knew of no lapse in work or any complaints. It doesn't appear that there was an investigation and a conclusion reached. Perhaps the only way to be fully encyclopedic is to have the names of the students of record, but I'll leave that to another editor. PositiveSpin ( talk) 09:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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The Reflector
I have added a reference to a story that ran in MRC's student paper The Reflector. One editor purged the paragraph suggesting it was problematic - for whom exactly? It states the students allegations, and also that this was denied by the college. Whatever one's position, historical revisionism is almost as unnecessary as stating that a student newspaper as a source is not qualified for a BLP. BLP's do not need to be all-flattering, but must reflect objective balance. PositiveSpin ( talk) 06:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
One of the worst things Wikipedia can do is take a rumor known by a limited group (a few students here) and then spread it globally. One sentence, or many paragraphs, makes little difference. We've taken a rumor started by a couple students, spread by some fellow students on the student newspaper, and made it globally available, permanently. I have no interest in padding the article with a bunch of nice stuff, to make it all "balanced". As far as I know, Cheffins conduct with students, is an issue that only concerns him, his ex-students, and ex-employer. There's no indication anybody independent outside the MRC community took notice. Hence, even if the material was 100% true, it's still not encyclopedic. I don't want students using Wikipedia to gripe about their teachers. Cheffins has recceived lots of mainstream press attention. So, if this story is notable, let's see who noted it. -- Rob ( talk) 21:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you - the new edits seem to solve the WP:WEIGHT issue. However, I had to change the inference that college officials 'found the claims to be baseless'. This is not what the article states. Only one official who worked with Cheffins is actually quoted, and she 'suggested' a reason for the allegations and is emphatic that she knew of no lapse in work or any complaints. It doesn't appear that there was an investigation and a conclusion reached. Perhaps the only way to be fully encyclopedic is to have the names of the students of record, but I'll leave that to another editor. PositiveSpin ( talk) 09:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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