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I did my best to translate from Catalan; some royal epithets need translation; also, I'm not entirely clear on the conventions for what language to use for names of monarchs; I've inclined to Catalan, because these are the Counts of Barcelona, but I notice elsewhere a tendency to translate royal names into English. -- Jmabel 08:29, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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The last section of the main article makes it sound as if there was a hunt for a successor after Franco's death. Surely the succession was fixed in 1947(?) when the Royal Family agreed to Juan Carlos I coming under Franco's tutelage.
Also of course, After the second republic and the Spanish State Juan Carlos I is de facto the first monarch of a new Spanish kingdom. Can anyone have a right to be first, except the first? garryq 18:18, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The chronology seems wrong on the transition from Ramon Berenguer IV el Sant to Alfons I. The article on Ramon Berenguer IV says he lived until 1162. Does anyone know what's going on? I copied this from the Catalan-language Wikipedia, but they could have it wrong. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:01, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
The relationship between these names is not clear here, or elsewhere (see Count of Ampurias) in any Wikipedia, Catalan or Spanish. I created a Sunifred page to try explain it, but I don't know. There were a Sunyer and Sunifred who were brothers, but it seems these names are variants of one another. Can anybody clear this up more? Srnec 05:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
NEVER EXISTED. It is the Crown of Aragon. Semi-colloquially it was refered to as the Kingdom of Aragon as this was the superior title within the Crown. NEVER did something exist called the "Catalan-Aragonese Confederation."
Plus, how could on one hand the article be arguing that there was no unified Spanish kingdom until the early 18th century, but then say that the "Catalan-Aragonese Confederation" was annexed by Spain? Paradoxical. A none-existant kingdom can't annex another realm.
Let's keep politics out of it please. Eboracum 18:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
The Crown of Aragon never had a fixed name, it was referred to using very different naming, eventually including Catalonia-Aragon. Thus, any fixed name we use for it will be, by default, historiographical. The name most aligned with the historical references is "Crown of Aragon", but it does not render invalid names, including 'Catalonia-Aragon'. I particularly prefer "Catalan-Aragonese Commonwealth". It describes quite nicely the "Personal Union" of States with very feeble interconnections that was the Crown of Aragon. peremayol 22:00, 9 September 2022 (CET)
I'm going to change the name of the House. See Talk:House_of_Barcelona. -- Enric Naval 17:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Problem here--Ferdinand was directly succeded in Aragon by Charles V/I. Joana only ever succeded in Castile because her mother died and Castile had nothing forbidding inheritance by women. So, since the Count of Barcelona was part of the Crown of Aragon, shouldn't the list proceed directly from Ferdinand II to Charles I?
Today is popular to find strong women during history which can be used like example for today women, but fact is that:
On wikipedia list of Roman or Ming emperors you will not find regents so without question this list of counts of Barcelona is against wikipedia rules. Analitikos ( talk) 15:10, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
This article is horribly bloated. Section after section telling us who the king of Spain was... Srnec ( talk) 01:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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I did my best to translate from Catalan; some royal epithets need translation; also, I'm not entirely clear on the conventions for what language to use for names of monarchs; I've inclined to Catalan, because these are the Counts of Barcelona, but I notice elsewhere a tendency to translate royal names into English. -- Jmabel 08:29, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Translation into English:
The last section of the main article makes it sound as if there was a hunt for a successor after Franco's death. Surely the succession was fixed in 1947(?) when the Royal Family agreed to Juan Carlos I coming under Franco's tutelage.
Also of course, After the second republic and the Spanish State Juan Carlos I is de facto the first monarch of a new Spanish kingdom. Can anyone have a right to be first, except the first? garryq 18:18, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The chronology seems wrong on the transition from Ramon Berenguer IV el Sant to Alfons I. The article on Ramon Berenguer IV says he lived until 1162. Does anyone know what's going on? I copied this from the Catalan-language Wikipedia, but they could have it wrong. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:01, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
The relationship between these names is not clear here, or elsewhere (see Count of Ampurias) in any Wikipedia, Catalan or Spanish. I created a Sunifred page to try explain it, but I don't know. There were a Sunyer and Sunifred who were brothers, but it seems these names are variants of one another. Can anybody clear this up more? Srnec 05:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
NEVER EXISTED. It is the Crown of Aragon. Semi-colloquially it was refered to as the Kingdom of Aragon as this was the superior title within the Crown. NEVER did something exist called the "Catalan-Aragonese Confederation."
Plus, how could on one hand the article be arguing that there was no unified Spanish kingdom until the early 18th century, but then say that the "Catalan-Aragonese Confederation" was annexed by Spain? Paradoxical. A none-existant kingdom can't annex another realm.
Let's keep politics out of it please. Eboracum 18:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
The Crown of Aragon never had a fixed name, it was referred to using very different naming, eventually including Catalonia-Aragon. Thus, any fixed name we use for it will be, by default, historiographical. The name most aligned with the historical references is "Crown of Aragon", but it does not render invalid names, including 'Catalonia-Aragon'. I particularly prefer "Catalan-Aragonese Commonwealth". It describes quite nicely the "Personal Union" of States with very feeble interconnections that was the Crown of Aragon. peremayol 22:00, 9 September 2022 (CET)
I'm going to change the name of the House. See Talk:House_of_Barcelona. -- Enric Naval 17:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Problem here--Ferdinand was directly succeded in Aragon by Charles V/I. Joana only ever succeded in Castile because her mother died and Castile had nothing forbidding inheritance by women. So, since the Count of Barcelona was part of the Crown of Aragon, shouldn't the list proceed directly from Ferdinand II to Charles I?
Today is popular to find strong women during history which can be used like example for today women, but fact is that:
On wikipedia list of Roman or Ming emperors you will not find regents so without question this list of counts of Barcelona is against wikipedia rules. Analitikos ( talk) 15:10, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
This article is horribly bloated. Section after section telling us who the king of Spain was... Srnec ( talk) 01:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)