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Is Prince Edward still a Counsellor of State or not? Couldn't find anything in Prince Harry's article. -- Voyager 17:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why the list ends in 1978? I mean, yes, improved communications and transport makes arrangements like this less needed; but it would be good to get something explicitly saying that. Morwen - Talk 14:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK, Prince Harry's official style is "HRH Prince Henry of Wales". I would propose that the references to "HRH Prince Harry of Wales" should be fixed accordingly. Richwales 20:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason the chart format disappeared? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.197.22.97 ( talk) 04:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
The speculative 'counsellor of state', under a King Charles, should be removed. It's crystal balling. GoodDay 19:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Was Princess Alexandra really a Counsellor of State? She doesn't appear in the list of occurances. Astrotrain 18:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The list of Counsellors of State previously had Lady Southesk listed as a Counsellor from 1942 to 1944. This is incorrect. After the death of the Duke of Kent on 25 August 1942 the fourth person in the line of succession who was over 21 (twelfth in line overall, if I've worked it out correctly) was the Duke of Connaught. Only after his death on 26 April 1943 would Lady Southesk have become a Counsellor, holding the position until Lord Lascelles came of age on 7 February 1944. I know this is all academic anyway as there was no Council of State between August 1942 and April 1943, and even if there had been the Duke would not have served as he was absent in Canada, but I thought it would be inaccurate to omit him. Opera hat ( talk) 11:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The image file itself calls her that! Is there any reason why we should use a name form ("Princess Alexandra, Duchess of Fife") that was never used after her marriage? john k ( talk) 23:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there evidence the Duke of Edinburgh gave up being a Counsellor of State when he retired? Is there a source or is speculative? Legally he is still eligible as the spouse of the reigning Sovereign. The point is moot since the Queen doesn't really travel abroad long enough anymore to require the Counsellors to take over. 98.10.165.90 ( talk) 01:50, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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It lists the following people as counsellors of state:
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References
"One exception was made for Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother (see below)."
This is an unclear reference to footnote 3. Also, not sure it's right to characterise the Regency Act 1953 as an exception, it added her. Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpllpr ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
I have taken out the references to the age of majority as it isn't really accurate any more, and also because there are different ages for the first in line to the throne (18) and everyone else 21). The age of majority has been 18 since 1970. The legislation doesn't use that wording but just says "full age." But I think all this list needs to say is that the person reached age 18 or age 21, and the relevance is explained earlier in the article. Richard75 ( talk) 18:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
I've made some edits to this page today, but was just wondering whether there is a legislative source for the "...full age..." given in the Regency Act 1937 section 3(2) (applicable under section 6(2)) being 21?
The Regency Act 1953 section 2 made "...full age..." 18 for the heir apparent or heir presumptive, but surely this would be the same for the other Counsellors of State, the age of majority in England, for instance, being 18? I can't find any relevant reference to "full age" in statute.
Let me know if I've missed anything.
Thanks,
FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 16:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
If Prince Harry is not eligible to be a Counselor of State due to residing outside the UK, doesn't Beatrice replace him? If not that should probably be explained. Rlendog ( talk) 13:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Removed a sentence that stated if Prince Harry ceases to be a British Subject. Prince Harry has never been a "British Subject", that particular nationality category was significantly narrowed the year before Prince Harry was born, he is and has only every been British Citizen. In any case why only mention this in reference to Prince Harry, British Citizens do not lose their citizenship by living abroad. — Preceding
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23:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure it is correct to describe Philip's place in the line of succession as "not applicable". He is in the line, though that is not what makes him a counsellor of state. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey again @ Richard75, I think that this is the best place to have this discussion. I noticed that you reversed my most recent edit. I'd be happy to keep the mechanism information in the lede, but I was hoping that it would be okay with you if I added back my wording improvements and some additional content that I added yesterday. I also took issue with some unsourced material and changed "Charles, Prince of Wales" to "Prince Charles, Prince of Wales". Let me know what you think! Thanks! FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 09:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Prince Charles and Prince William just got appointed Counsellors of State. Said so on the news. Is how they opened Parliament on her behalf. Page should be updated. I don't have enough solid info to edit it myself though. 217.155.61.226 ( talk) 10:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Is Prince Edward still a Counsellor of State or not? Couldn't find anything in Prince Harry's article. -- Voyager 17:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why the list ends in 1978? I mean, yes, improved communications and transport makes arrangements like this less needed; but it would be good to get something explicitly saying that. Morwen - Talk 14:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK, Prince Harry's official style is "HRH Prince Henry of Wales". I would propose that the references to "HRH Prince Harry of Wales" should be fixed accordingly. Richwales 20:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason the chart format disappeared? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.197.22.97 ( talk) 04:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
The speculative 'counsellor of state', under a King Charles, should be removed. It's crystal balling. GoodDay 19:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Was Princess Alexandra really a Counsellor of State? She doesn't appear in the list of occurances. Astrotrain 18:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The list of Counsellors of State previously had Lady Southesk listed as a Counsellor from 1942 to 1944. This is incorrect. After the death of the Duke of Kent on 25 August 1942 the fourth person in the line of succession who was over 21 (twelfth in line overall, if I've worked it out correctly) was the Duke of Connaught. Only after his death on 26 April 1943 would Lady Southesk have become a Counsellor, holding the position until Lord Lascelles came of age on 7 February 1944. I know this is all academic anyway as there was no Council of State between August 1942 and April 1943, and even if there had been the Duke would not have served as he was absent in Canada, but I thought it would be inaccurate to omit him. Opera hat ( talk) 11:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The image file itself calls her that! Is there any reason why we should use a name form ("Princess Alexandra, Duchess of Fife") that was never used after her marriage? john k ( talk) 23:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there evidence the Duke of Edinburgh gave up being a Counsellor of State when he retired? Is there a source or is speculative? Legally he is still eligible as the spouse of the reigning Sovereign. The point is moot since the Queen doesn't really travel abroad long enough anymore to require the Counsellors to take over. 98.10.165.90 ( talk) 01:50, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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It lists the following people as counsellors of state:
p b p 21:51, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
References
"One exception was made for Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother (see below)."
This is an unclear reference to footnote 3. Also, not sure it's right to characterise the Regency Act 1953 as an exception, it added her. Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpllpr ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
I have taken out the references to the age of majority as it isn't really accurate any more, and also because there are different ages for the first in line to the throne (18) and everyone else 21). The age of majority has been 18 since 1970. The legislation doesn't use that wording but just says "full age." But I think all this list needs to say is that the person reached age 18 or age 21, and the relevance is explained earlier in the article. Richard75 ( talk) 18:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
I've made some edits to this page today, but was just wondering whether there is a legislative source for the "...full age..." given in the Regency Act 1937 section 3(2) (applicable under section 6(2)) being 21?
The Regency Act 1953 section 2 made "...full age..." 18 for the heir apparent or heir presumptive, but surely this would be the same for the other Counsellors of State, the age of majority in England, for instance, being 18? I can't find any relevant reference to "full age" in statute.
Let me know if I've missed anything.
Thanks,
FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 16:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
If Prince Harry is not eligible to be a Counselor of State due to residing outside the UK, doesn't Beatrice replace him? If not that should probably be explained. Rlendog ( talk) 13:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Removed a sentence that stated if Prince Harry ceases to be a British Subject. Prince Harry has never been a "British Subject", that particular nationality category was significantly narrowed the year before Prince Harry was born, he is and has only every been British Citizen. In any case why only mention this in reference to Prince Harry, British Citizens do not lose their citizenship by living abroad. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
91.84.189.190 (
talk)
23:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure it is correct to describe Philip's place in the line of succession as "not applicable". He is in the line, though that is not what makes him a counsellor of state. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey again @ Richard75, I think that this is the best place to have this discussion. I noticed that you reversed my most recent edit. I'd be happy to keep the mechanism information in the lede, but I was hoping that it would be okay with you if I added back my wording improvements and some additional content that I added yesterday. I also took issue with some unsourced material and changed "Charles, Prince of Wales" to "Prince Charles, Prince of Wales". Let me know what you think! Thanks! FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 09:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Prince Charles and Prince William just got appointed Counsellors of State. Said so on the news. Is how they opened Parliament on her behalf. Page should be updated. I don't have enough solid info to edit it myself though. 217.155.61.226 ( talk) 10:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)