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The fact that a link is POV is not, in itself, grounds to remove. If the link contained false information, or were a paid advertisement or something, that would be different. As it is the link appears to contain valuable source information. Ellsworth 03:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Surely, if the information is valuable, some other source could be found that wasn't so obviously POV?-- Cuchullain 06:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Of course, and once that source is found then it can be cited in lieu of the other, perhaps moving the less-POV link to the Talk page for purpose of preserving the article history. Ellsworth 20:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm confused...Ms Brown is listed as a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., but has a link in the friends of Sigma Gamma Rho page. I'm looking for clarity and confirmation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.150.0.1 ( talk) 17:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
This content is repeatedly added (with commentary) but not once has there been a reliable source. It's original research that violates the policy of biography of living persons. I am trying to resolve this through discussion but if the content keeps on being added, it will go to third-opinion and whereever else. Find a reliable source and it stays. -- Omarcheeseboro ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I understand that this page has been repeatedly vandalized, and I do not support that in any way. I in no way want to disparage Ms. Brown. The fact that so many people have felt the need to edit this page, not to mention the widespread attention it has received through blogs, forums and commentaries, are clearly signs that it is relevant and important to acknowledge and properly document what actually happened, and the manner in which Ms. Brown delivered her speech. I did not link to youtube. I cited C-Span as the source, and it is viable. It is not nonsense. It is a matter of public record, and I don't feel that it should be suppressed. Instead of repeatedly taking down a reference to something that happened on the house floor, and that clearly has effected a lot of people, why not help me add citations and refine it so that it does meet all of the Wikipedia criteria, and can properly inform someone who comes here looking for information about it?
Thank you all for your time James corn ( talk) 15:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)james corn
respectfully, James corn ( talk) 19:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)james corn
Put the video link back in (or any other video, for that matter - doesn't have to be the infamous orange robe speech). It characterizes the subject of the article very accurately. Blcklbl ( talk) 03:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The majority of this article is poorly sourced negative material. Virtually all of the "Complaints and investigations" section, which purports to demonstrate that "Controversy has followed Brown since the start of her national political career...", is sourced to the same two newspaper articles. These are probably fine for some details, but to devote a large section entirely to claims attributed only to news articles is absurd. There was even more negative material in the section that wasn't sourced at all; I just removed it on sight. The section then goes off into two more subsections pushing yet more negative material. Even the "political activities" section largely consists of negative material. This needs to be remedied immediately.-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Those were all references that were not inline citations, so I am moving them here. I think most of the stuff has been covered in the page already, but it looked messy. I'll come circle back later but I wanted to give someone a chance if they are here first. Kingtwist ( talk) 22:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I see no reasoning behind CB federal felony indictment on 24 counts in which she faces up to 350 years in prison should be listed under "Political controversy" In fact, a federal indictment is not controversial or anything similar to a controversy. The federal indictment is a career ender in her regard with very little likelihood that she will ever overcome it.
Disagree? opinion?
Now, if it was Ryan Lochte and his "controversy" it would have maligned him badly over that "controversy". in fact, it would have its very own article and a BLP that violates all Wikipedia rules for a small mistake. 2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 16:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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Please explain why you reverted my edits removing the subjective language from the BLP. The cited source does not use the terms included in the BLP. Why do you continue to include such language when a BLP should be factual and reflect the tone and fairness of the cited source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 14:52, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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Add: Corrine Brown was convicted of 18 of 22 charges in Jacksonville, Florida, on May 11, 2017. Candrew1958 ( talk) 19:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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On May 11th 2017, she was found guilty on 18 of the 22 counts that she was charged with. http://www.wftv.com/news/local/former-us-rep-corrine-brown-found-guilty-on-18-of-22-counts-in-federal-fraud-trial/521577913 50.59.62.5 ( talk) 20:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I feel this article needs to be edited to properly reflect the unfairness of this former politician's article when comparing to other befallen politician articles on Wikipedia. I realize that she has only just been convicted. However, other politicians convicted for far less have been thrown to the wolves (as written in their BLP on Wiki) for their transgressions. So, why the blatant bias handling of this "criminal" and her BLP? To be more specific, I am referring to the titling of her indictment, charges and conviction listed under a smaller font with a title of "political controversies" when comparing it to other less known criminals, previously responsible politicians. See Michael Grimm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8B8C:29A0:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 04:17, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
As to the argument that because she served in congress for 24 years and therefore she is deserving of a more hidden criminal section, one can make an argument that she was convicted of 18 felonies (and faces hundred of years in jail) should make one more responsible than someone pleading guilty and receiving a six month sentence to a single felony count. Wikipedia should have a uniform format applying to all similar type articles across the forum. I am only a mere IP address (and not a sock puppet). My revisions are nearly always reverted because of this. I chime in for the purpose of creating discussion on the issues I raise in order that Wikipedia seems fair and unbiased to the millions of readers. I may be mistaken, but Michael Grimm's article is considerably longer in many topics and that is due in part because of the breadth and depth covering the indictment and single guilty plea. Not to mention a considerable shorter sentence than Corrine Brown is facing. Moreover, while only being elected to two terms in congress. 2602:306:8B8C:29A0:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 19:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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I removed the fact that Brown asked for a new trail in both the lede and in the body of the article. Although it is a fact that she did petition the court for a new trail, that petition has been denied. I can see no reason why this petition to the court, or any other motions or petitions, are in anyway important enough to be included in the article. If i am wrong, please revert or discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.98.209 ( talk) 18:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
I have (again) reverted this edit, which lacks an edit summary, introduces redundancies into the WP:LEAD (i.e.; "22 counts / charges", "convicted"), introduced non-factual content (i.e.; that Brown and her Chief of Staff "were convicted" in July 2016), and introduced redundant already diffused categories (i.e.; "Category:American politicians convicted of fraud", which is the parent of, and redundant to, the already present and more precise "Category:Politicians convicted of mail and wire fraud"). Xenophrenic ( talk) 05:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Corrine Brown is best known for creating a fake charity and going to prison.
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The lead is the first part of the article that most people will read.
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Should this edit be reverted?
Otherwise, you must scroll way down the page to find Felony Fraud Conviction.
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The fact that a link is POV is not, in itself, grounds to remove. If the link contained false information, or were a paid advertisement or something, that would be different. As it is the link appears to contain valuable source information. Ellsworth 03:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Surely, if the information is valuable, some other source could be found that wasn't so obviously POV?-- Cuchullain 06:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Of course, and once that source is found then it can be cited in lieu of the other, perhaps moving the less-POV link to the Talk page for purpose of preserving the article history. Ellsworth 20:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm confused...Ms Brown is listed as a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., but has a link in the friends of Sigma Gamma Rho page. I'm looking for clarity and confirmation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.150.0.1 ( talk) 17:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
This content is repeatedly added (with commentary) but not once has there been a reliable source. It's original research that violates the policy of biography of living persons. I am trying to resolve this through discussion but if the content keeps on being added, it will go to third-opinion and whereever else. Find a reliable source and it stays. -- Omarcheeseboro ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I understand that this page has been repeatedly vandalized, and I do not support that in any way. I in no way want to disparage Ms. Brown. The fact that so many people have felt the need to edit this page, not to mention the widespread attention it has received through blogs, forums and commentaries, are clearly signs that it is relevant and important to acknowledge and properly document what actually happened, and the manner in which Ms. Brown delivered her speech. I did not link to youtube. I cited C-Span as the source, and it is viable. It is not nonsense. It is a matter of public record, and I don't feel that it should be suppressed. Instead of repeatedly taking down a reference to something that happened on the house floor, and that clearly has effected a lot of people, why not help me add citations and refine it so that it does meet all of the Wikipedia criteria, and can properly inform someone who comes here looking for information about it?
Thank you all for your time James corn ( talk) 15:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)james corn
respectfully, James corn ( talk) 19:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)james corn
Put the video link back in (or any other video, for that matter - doesn't have to be the infamous orange robe speech). It characterizes the subject of the article very accurately. Blcklbl ( talk) 03:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The majority of this article is poorly sourced negative material. Virtually all of the "Complaints and investigations" section, which purports to demonstrate that "Controversy has followed Brown since the start of her national political career...", is sourced to the same two newspaper articles. These are probably fine for some details, but to devote a large section entirely to claims attributed only to news articles is absurd. There was even more negative material in the section that wasn't sourced at all; I just removed it on sight. The section then goes off into two more subsections pushing yet more negative material. Even the "political activities" section largely consists of negative material. This needs to be remedied immediately.-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Those were all references that were not inline citations, so I am moving them here. I think most of the stuff has been covered in the page already, but it looked messy. I'll come circle back later but I wanted to give someone a chance if they are here first. Kingtwist ( talk) 22:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I see no reasoning behind CB federal felony indictment on 24 counts in which she faces up to 350 years in prison should be listed under "Political controversy" In fact, a federal indictment is not controversial or anything similar to a controversy. The federal indictment is a career ender in her regard with very little likelihood that she will ever overcome it.
Disagree? opinion?
Now, if it was Ryan Lochte and his "controversy" it would have maligned him badly over that "controversy". in fact, it would have its very own article and a BLP that violates all Wikipedia rules for a small mistake. 2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 16:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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On May 11th 2017, she was found guilty on 18 of the 22 counts that she was charged with. http://www.wftv.com/news/local/former-us-rep-corrine-brown-found-guilty-on-18-of-22-counts-in-federal-fraud-trial/521577913 50.59.62.5 ( talk) 20:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I feel this article needs to be edited to properly reflect the unfairness of this former politician's article when comparing to other befallen politician articles on Wikipedia. I realize that she has only just been convicted. However, other politicians convicted for far less have been thrown to the wolves (as written in their BLP on Wiki) for their transgressions. So, why the blatant bias handling of this "criminal" and her BLP? To be more specific, I am referring to the titling of her indictment, charges and conviction listed under a smaller font with a title of "political controversies" when comparing it to other less known criminals, previously responsible politicians. See Michael Grimm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8B8C:29A0:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 04:17, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
As to the argument that because she served in congress for 24 years and therefore she is deserving of a more hidden criminal section, one can make an argument that she was convicted of 18 felonies (and faces hundred of years in jail) should make one more responsible than someone pleading guilty and receiving a six month sentence to a single felony count. Wikipedia should have a uniform format applying to all similar type articles across the forum. I am only a mere IP address (and not a sock puppet). My revisions are nearly always reverted because of this. I chime in for the purpose of creating discussion on the issues I raise in order that Wikipedia seems fair and unbiased to the millions of readers. I may be mistaken, but Michael Grimm's article is considerably longer in many topics and that is due in part because of the breadth and depth covering the indictment and single guilty plea. Not to mention a considerable shorter sentence than Corrine Brown is facing. Moreover, while only being elected to two terms in congress. 2602:306:8B8C:29A0:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E ( talk) 19:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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I removed the fact that Brown asked for a new trail in both the lede and in the body of the article. Although it is a fact that she did petition the court for a new trail, that petition has been denied. I can see no reason why this petition to the court, or any other motions or petitions, are in anyway important enough to be included in the article. If i am wrong, please revert or discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.98.209 ( talk) 18:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
I have (again) reverted this edit, which lacks an edit summary, introduces redundancies into the WP:LEAD (i.e.; "22 counts / charges", "convicted"), introduced non-factual content (i.e.; that Brown and her Chief of Staff "were convicted" in July 2016), and introduced redundant already diffused categories (i.e.; "Category:American politicians convicted of fraud", which is the parent of, and redundant to, the already present and more precise "Category:Politicians convicted of mail and wire fraud"). Xenophrenic ( talk) 05:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Corrine Brown is best known for creating a fake charity and going to prison.
According to WP:LEAD
The lead is the first part of the article that most people will read.
The most important information about subject was removed from lead section in yesterday's edit. Please see diff.
Should this edit be reverted?
Otherwise, you must scroll way down the page to find Felony Fraud Conviction.