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Corpus Christi College, Oxford, is a college of the University of Oxford, founded in 1517. I would like to merge the changes I have to made User:EdwardH/Corpus Christi College, Oxford. My conflict of interest is that I am currently studying at Corpus and am the Computing & Website Officer for the JCR. The role is uncompensated, as is proposing these edits.
Summary of changes:
Things I am not opposed to:
Things you may be concerned about:
— Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwardH ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Some thoughts on this:
References
EdwardH
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16:48, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
EdwardH
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22:05, 22 May 2018 (UTC)No problem. Go ahead and open a new request when you're ready. Thank you! . spintendo 23:08, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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Corpus Christi College, Oxford, is a college of the University of Oxford, founded in 1517. I would like to merge the changes I have to made User:EdwardH/Corpus Christi College, Oxford. These changes are a revised version of those discussed two months ago. My conflict of interest is that I am currently studying at Corpus and am the Computing & Website Officer for the JCR. (It was disputed before whether this is in fact a conflict of interest.) The role is uncompensated, as is proposing these edits.
Changes from my last version:
There are still lots of things missing from my draft (e.g. almost all of the History section), but I think it is a considerable improvement over the current article.
EdwardH
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14:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
EdwardH
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09:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
"That size would be reached due in part to the large amount of appurtenant details added by this proposal."It would be naive to suggest that the information you have carefully collected and presented here is somehow 'impertinent'. The main concern here is to align that information with Wikipedia's requirement for WP:SS, a herculean task better suited to those with experience in the subject, which is why I suggested asking for assistance at the Oxford WikiProject. It's disappointing that no one there bothered to respond to your request. Alas, I will review and advise.
@ Jonathan A Jones and EdwardH: I'm placing my reply under an extended section because it's long and I don't want to distract more than I have already from the COI editor's request.
Extended reply from Spintendo
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The two Featured and one Good Article mentioned by Jonathan achieved those statuses 7, 9 and 11 years ago, and all three have bloated in size since receiving those merits, so it would be more instructive to look at how they were then as opposed to now. In doing so, I have doubts that those same articles would be able to achieve those statuses today if reviewed. Looking at their past versions I see many of the passages are not cited. The Oriel article in particular contains paragraphs of information on the architectural aspects of buildings. Perhaps coming from the US where the focus on colleges is on the instruction rather than the architecture, this seems out of place to me in an article that arguably should be about what goes on inside of a building rather than outside of it. As far as feeling conflicted about editing the article, I understand where Jonathan is coming from. But there are mitigating factors here. Former students should not feel too conflicted about reviewing an article about a school they no longer attend. Much of the information proposed here concerns events which occurred hundreds of years ago. To feel that there may be a COI with respect to what at most would have been 4 years of an editor's life begs the question: Where would that COI end? If I had been a citizen of the UK for my entire life of 25 years, and I had attended Oxford for 4 of those years, I would have been fairly involved with that school, having used its services and having been made familiar with its content and conventions. But I would wonder about the other 21 years of my life living in the UK. There too, I would have been familiar with the UK's content and conventions, having used their "services", just the same as Oxford. I would have even paid the UK through taxes just as I would have paid Oxford through tuition. Lengthwise, I would wonder whether or not those 21 years of having lived in the UK wouldn't be more of a COI as opposed to just the 4 having lived at Oxford. I would ask myself, would I need to avoid editing all articles having to do with the UK? I don't believe in that case that I should be expected to avoid editing UK topics, and the same ought to apply to former students of the school editing the school's articles (admittedly, in some cases only). Jonathan has said that the Project is At the end of the day I want this article reviewed just as much as the proposing editor does. But I believe that two issues stand in the way: (1) I would be a poor choice as reviewer because of what I see the article's priorities as being. I'm willing to accept the label of being too restrictive in my thinking with regards to what information the article should incorporate. In that respect the article deserves a much better reviewer than myself. However, I'm afraid that (2) if placed as an edit request waiting for another editor, the article runs the risk of sitting here on the queue for what may be more than a few months – due to the fact that the request is (as I warned earlier) very long. Both issues could be solved quicker by taking other routes first (which, to their credit, the COI editor has indeed already tried). But for now let's leave the request here on the queue and see who turns out to be right. I'm hoping it won't be me.
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spintendo 12:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
It would be better to merge that page with the college page. This page alone is useless. RafaelS1979 ( talk) 21:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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Corpus Christi College, Oxford, is a college of the University of Oxford, founded in 1517. I would like to merge the changes I have to made User:EdwardH/Corpus Christi College, Oxford. My conflict of interest is that I am currently studying at Corpus and am the Computing & Website Officer for the JCR. The role is uncompensated, as is proposing these edits.
Summary of changes:
Things I am not opposed to:
Things you may be concerned about:
— Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwardH ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Some thoughts on this:
References
EdwardH
(
talk)
16:48, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
EdwardH
(
talk)
22:05, 22 May 2018 (UTC)No problem. Go ahead and open a new request when you're ready. Thank you! . spintendo 23:08, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Corpus Christi College, Oxford, is a college of the University of Oxford, founded in 1517. I would like to merge the changes I have to made User:EdwardH/Corpus Christi College, Oxford. These changes are a revised version of those discussed two months ago. My conflict of interest is that I am currently studying at Corpus and am the Computing & Website Officer for the JCR. (It was disputed before whether this is in fact a conflict of interest.) The role is uncompensated, as is proposing these edits.
Changes from my last version:
There are still lots of things missing from my draft (e.g. almost all of the History section), but I think it is a considerable improvement over the current article.
EdwardH
(
talk)
14:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
EdwardH
(
talk)
09:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
"That size would be reached due in part to the large amount of appurtenant details added by this proposal."It would be naive to suggest that the information you have carefully collected and presented here is somehow 'impertinent'. The main concern here is to align that information with Wikipedia's requirement for WP:SS, a herculean task better suited to those with experience in the subject, which is why I suggested asking for assistance at the Oxford WikiProject. It's disappointing that no one there bothered to respond to your request. Alas, I will review and advise.
@ Jonathan A Jones and EdwardH: I'm placing my reply under an extended section because it's long and I don't want to distract more than I have already from the COI editor's request.
Extended reply from Spintendo
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The two Featured and one Good Article mentioned by Jonathan achieved those statuses 7, 9 and 11 years ago, and all three have bloated in size since receiving those merits, so it would be more instructive to look at how they were then as opposed to now. In doing so, I have doubts that those same articles would be able to achieve those statuses today if reviewed. Looking at their past versions I see many of the passages are not cited. The Oriel article in particular contains paragraphs of information on the architectural aspects of buildings. Perhaps coming from the US where the focus on colleges is on the instruction rather than the architecture, this seems out of place to me in an article that arguably should be about what goes on inside of a building rather than outside of it. As far as feeling conflicted about editing the article, I understand where Jonathan is coming from. But there are mitigating factors here. Former students should not feel too conflicted about reviewing an article about a school they no longer attend. Much of the information proposed here concerns events which occurred hundreds of years ago. To feel that there may be a COI with respect to what at most would have been 4 years of an editor's life begs the question: Where would that COI end? If I had been a citizen of the UK for my entire life of 25 years, and I had attended Oxford for 4 of those years, I would have been fairly involved with that school, having used its services and having been made familiar with its content and conventions. But I would wonder about the other 21 years of my life living in the UK. There too, I would have been familiar with the UK's content and conventions, having used their "services", just the same as Oxford. I would have even paid the UK through taxes just as I would have paid Oxford through tuition. Lengthwise, I would wonder whether or not those 21 years of having lived in the UK wouldn't be more of a COI as opposed to just the 4 having lived at Oxford. I would ask myself, would I need to avoid editing all articles having to do with the UK? I don't believe in that case that I should be expected to avoid editing UK topics, and the same ought to apply to former students of the school editing the school's articles (admittedly, in some cases only). Jonathan has said that the Project is At the end of the day I want this article reviewed just as much as the proposing editor does. But I believe that two issues stand in the way: (1) I would be a poor choice as reviewer because of what I see the article's priorities as being. I'm willing to accept the label of being too restrictive in my thinking with regards to what information the article should incorporate. In that respect the article deserves a much better reviewer than myself. However, I'm afraid that (2) if placed as an edit request waiting for another editor, the article runs the risk of sitting here on the queue for what may be more than a few months – due to the fact that the request is (as I warned earlier) very long. Both issues could be solved quicker by taking other routes first (which, to their credit, the COI editor has indeed already tried). But for now let's leave the request here on the queue and see who turns out to be right. I'm hoping it won't be me.
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spintendo 12:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
It would be better to merge that page with the college page. This page alone is useless. RafaelS1979 ( talk) 21:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)