This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Corporal article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() |
Daily pageviews of this article
A graph should have been displayed here but
graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at
pageviews.wmcloud.org |
In documentaries and news items about the Canadian armed forces the recruits always address their drill instructors thus, "Yes, Master Corporal!" So, what is a Master Corporal? Is it the same as other armed forces' Corporal?
Outside of an organisation, to what extent can you call someone 'Corporal' (e.g Cpl J Brown instead of Mr J Brown)?
Corporal is the first rank in the NCO cadre, the first rank empowered to issue an order, and I can tell you they routinely exercise that power, albeit only over privates. How else, f'r'instance, is a radio detachment commander going to command his detachment? SigPig 20:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
See my comment under "Corporals and commands" above. Canadian corporals are not private soldiers. They are de jure Junior Non-Commissioned Officers, and empowered to issue lawful commands; de facto they may often be treated as glorified privates, but I can tell you that they are detachment commanders and shift supervisors (as well as 2ICs), lead patrols, and have been tasked as instructors at the national level. SigPig 21:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
"[In Canada] corporal is the first non-commissioned officer rank, and the lowest rank officially empowered to issue a lawful command. Corporals can lead troops if they have the formal qualifications to be promoted to Master Corporal but have not been promoted yet. However, the rank of Corporal was severaly downgraded after Unification, along with the attendant responsibilities. A Corporal in the Canadian Army in 1967 had the same duties and responsibilities that a Sergeant has today."
To support SigPig, I disagree with that quote from the article. On training with reserve regiments, I've almost never seen a sergent working as a section commander. A lot of the time we have them there, but only on paper. Sometimes we feel lucky if we get a sergent to act as platoon warrant. The section commanders and 2ic's are usually, mostly corporals, and I've seen privates do it too. The way things should work and the way they do work don't always match, but they do match better on courses, regular force training, and operations...-- Sukisuki 15:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a table at the top of other US ranks, and not just those of the British military. Or abolished completely. There is a tremendous number of Americans on this site (including myself) and the whole page is about international ranks, anyways. Does anyone else agree? Zoke ( talk) 00:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear..... "Corporals are sergeants"? NCOs perhaps? And the rank is being both phased out and reintroduced? I think this section needs to be looked at by someone with a clear grasp of the situation in the Danish forces. Pete Fenelon ( talk) 17:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
The section that attempts to illustrate the steps taken for a corporal to be advanced to sergeant has abreviations in it that I'm not sure of. I've served with Marines all throughout my service career and can guess at most of them, but I'm sure that most readers of the article would not be familiar with the military jargon. Is an explaination of how one is advanced to sergeant even necessary in the article about corporals? Perhaps that information should go to an article on Marine Corps advancement procedure or be added to the Marine Corps article itself. Cuprum17 ( talk) 23:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone give me a good reason not to nuke this section? Wardog ( talk) 23:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, greetings fellow old-timer (Foofbun)! I haven't heard (or seen) anyone use the expression "hard 5 (five)" to refer to a "buck" sergeant (E-5) in many decades, and since all Specialist Fives (SP5) were converted to Sergeant (SGT) circa 1978, I'm sure that most readers today won't know what that means. Anyway, since demotions are thankfully rare, and most certainly a negative action, not normally associated with a soldier's progression (or lack thereof) in his (I know there are female soldiers, and they're no longer called WACs, but the overwhelming majority of soldiers are still armed below the belt and carry a basic load of two rounds) career, I believe this addition is unnecessary. Besides, it would only occur through Article 15 or Courts Martial proceedings, anyway. I recommend this edit be reverted. CobraDragoon ( talk) 22:08, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Corporal. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 04:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The redirect
Corporal(rank) has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 24 § Corporal(rank) until a consensus is reached.
Steel1943 (
talk)
05:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Corporal article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() |
Daily pageviews of this article
A graph should have been displayed here but
graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at
pageviews.wmcloud.org |
In documentaries and news items about the Canadian armed forces the recruits always address their drill instructors thus, "Yes, Master Corporal!" So, what is a Master Corporal? Is it the same as other armed forces' Corporal?
Outside of an organisation, to what extent can you call someone 'Corporal' (e.g Cpl J Brown instead of Mr J Brown)?
Corporal is the first rank in the NCO cadre, the first rank empowered to issue an order, and I can tell you they routinely exercise that power, albeit only over privates. How else, f'r'instance, is a radio detachment commander going to command his detachment? SigPig 20:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
See my comment under "Corporals and commands" above. Canadian corporals are not private soldiers. They are de jure Junior Non-Commissioned Officers, and empowered to issue lawful commands; de facto they may often be treated as glorified privates, but I can tell you that they are detachment commanders and shift supervisors (as well as 2ICs), lead patrols, and have been tasked as instructors at the national level. SigPig 21:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
"[In Canada] corporal is the first non-commissioned officer rank, and the lowest rank officially empowered to issue a lawful command. Corporals can lead troops if they have the formal qualifications to be promoted to Master Corporal but have not been promoted yet. However, the rank of Corporal was severaly downgraded after Unification, along with the attendant responsibilities. A Corporal in the Canadian Army in 1967 had the same duties and responsibilities that a Sergeant has today."
To support SigPig, I disagree with that quote from the article. On training with reserve regiments, I've almost never seen a sergent working as a section commander. A lot of the time we have them there, but only on paper. Sometimes we feel lucky if we get a sergent to act as platoon warrant. The section commanders and 2ic's are usually, mostly corporals, and I've seen privates do it too. The way things should work and the way they do work don't always match, but they do match better on courses, regular force training, and operations...-- Sukisuki 15:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a table at the top of other US ranks, and not just those of the British military. Or abolished completely. There is a tremendous number of Americans on this site (including myself) and the whole page is about international ranks, anyways. Does anyone else agree? Zoke ( talk) 00:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear..... "Corporals are sergeants"? NCOs perhaps? And the rank is being both phased out and reintroduced? I think this section needs to be looked at by someone with a clear grasp of the situation in the Danish forces. Pete Fenelon ( talk) 17:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
The section that attempts to illustrate the steps taken for a corporal to be advanced to sergeant has abreviations in it that I'm not sure of. I've served with Marines all throughout my service career and can guess at most of them, but I'm sure that most readers of the article would not be familiar with the military jargon. Is an explaination of how one is advanced to sergeant even necessary in the article about corporals? Perhaps that information should go to an article on Marine Corps advancement procedure or be added to the Marine Corps article itself. Cuprum17 ( talk) 23:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone give me a good reason not to nuke this section? Wardog ( talk) 23:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, greetings fellow old-timer (Foofbun)! I haven't heard (or seen) anyone use the expression "hard 5 (five)" to refer to a "buck" sergeant (E-5) in many decades, and since all Specialist Fives (SP5) were converted to Sergeant (SGT) circa 1978, I'm sure that most readers today won't know what that means. Anyway, since demotions are thankfully rare, and most certainly a negative action, not normally associated with a soldier's progression (or lack thereof) in his (I know there are female soldiers, and they're no longer called WACs, but the overwhelming majority of soldiers are still armed below the belt and carry a basic load of two rounds) career, I believe this addition is unnecessary. Besides, it would only occur through Article 15 or Courts Martial proceedings, anyway. I recommend this edit be reverted. CobraDragoon ( talk) 22:08, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Corporal. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 04:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The redirect
Corporal(rank) has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 24 § Corporal(rank) until a consensus is reached.
Steel1943 (
talk)
05:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)