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Cardiff and Swansea, across the Bristol Channel, are connected to Cornwall by ferry, usually to Padstow. Swansea in particular has several boat companies that can arrange boat trips to north Cornwall, which allow the traveller to pass by the north Cornish coastline, including Tintagel Castle and Padstow harbour. Very occasionally, the Waverley and Balmoral paddle steamers cruise from Swansea or Bristol to Padstow.
Is this true anymore? I've not heard of them, nor can I find any evidence of any. They do still run passenger ferries to Devon for tourism, but not, as far as I can see, to Cornwall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren ( talk • contribs) 04:09, 21 May 2015
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The term 'Brython' in the introduction to this article links through to the article 'Celtic Britons', which is the term used in the body of the Cornwall article.
The 'Celtic Britons' article refers to 'Brython' as "The Welsh word... introduced into English usage by John Rhys in 1884 as a term unambiguously referring to the P-Celtic speakers of Great Britain, to complement Goidel; hence the adjective Brythonic referring to the group of languages."
Outside Wales, it seems clear that'Brython' is a linguistic term; used principally in the form Brythonic. There is no mention of 'Brython' in terms of a prehistoric population of Britain. I question the use of 'Brythons' in such phrases as:- "It continued to be occupied by Neolithic and then Bronze Age peoples, and later (in the Iron Age) by Brythons with distinctive cultural relations to neighbouring Wales and Brittany." and: "Cornwall was the home of a division of the Dumnonii tribe – whose tribal centre was in the modern county of Devon – known as the Cornovii, separated from the Brythons of Wales after the Battle of Deorham."
This looks like pseudo-history (Apart from anything else, isn't "Brythons of Wales" an anachronism?) perhaps with a tinge of Celtic cultural nationalism- with which I have no quarrel. It simply robs the article of authority in this instance.
For the sake of consistency if nothing else, surely the term 'Briton' should be used throughout. JF42 ( talk) 09:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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No criticism of the independence movement? Cornwall could never become an independent nation - who do you think pays for all their shit? Do you think the interior of Cornwall is able to generate enough tax wealth to pay for its public services!? HAHA! And the coastal regions...sure do get some wealthy outsiders there, but gee I wonder what sort of opinion your average Cornish nationalist holds for these individuals? The article massively overstates the support for independence at that...giving no mention as to how both main nationalist parties never manage to get over 10k votes each, and yet they are promoted over far larger parties such as the Lib Dems - who have in general lent themselves to calls for devolution. SURELY there has to be some criticism out there relating to this? Has anyone actually proposed how Cornwall could manage on its own, or do they want England to continue subsidizing the less well off districts? (Camborne...Redruth...lol)-- 109.149.121.129 ( talk) 15:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
nothing on film, Cornwall is full of film sets, treasure island was one of the first, poldark one of the latest, i suggest a brief section after visual arts. A Guy into Books ( talk) 21:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Cornwall has a rich and varied landscape often used as the backdrop to [[films]] and [[TV series]]. Recently Cornwall has received international attention from the new [[BBC]] production, [[Poldark (2015 TV series)|Poldark]] which is filmed in a number of [[Cornwall film locations|locations]] around Cornwall.Α Guy into Books™ § ( Message) - 14:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
At the end of August/early September Aguyintobooks unilateraly made substantial changes to the lead. When I made further changes to eliminate the problems with his version of the lead he reverted me with the comment "Reverting unhelpful changes made without consensus". Given that he didn't seek consensus for his edits the same applies to his edits. On that basis I have reverted the lead to the last stable version. We can then discuss any further improvements here. Eckerslike ( talk) 11:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Eckerslike: Diff [1]. Can I have some feedback on what the problems with my improvements was, I was under the impression it was better because it is less focused on recent sources, and made more of an effort to balance the available sources. "Cornwall" (this article) is many things, both historically, culturally and politically. With this current lead you may as well call it Cornwall since 1885, because it is impossible to integrate the other sections of the lead without adequate representation in the lede paragraph. (btw I don't mind if you want the "Cornwall is in England" bit to come first, It occurred to me that could be the problem.) Α Guy into Books™ § ( Message) - 12:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
To resolve issues in the lead, comments are requested regarding the definition of the ceremonial county. Including when it was established (which may have been 1888 or some other date). And whether the ceremonial county is in England or United Kingdom. Dysklyver 14:19, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Ceremonial counties only exist in England. Eckerslike ( talk) 16:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)The Lieutenancies Act 1997 defines counties for the purposes of lieutenancies in terms of metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties (created by the Local Government Act 1972, as amended) as well as Greater London and the Isles of Scilly (which lie outside the 1972 Act's new system). Although the term is not used in the Act, these counties are sometimes known as "ceremonial counties".
As of the four editors commenting on this section you are the only one insisting that Cornwall is not in England I don't think you can claim any consensus for that position. Your claim that the primary topic is pre-1888 is flat out wrong. When people refer to Cornwall they will be refering to present day Cornwall. For your information the "County of Cornwall" is actually referred to (several times) in the 1337 charter that created the duchy so your assertion that it was formed in 1753 is also false. It would be helpful if you actually state what is wrong with the Wikipedea article on the Lieutenancies Act 1997. However as you show such distaste for its content I will quote from the act directly. In schedule 2, under the heading Counties in England it states
2 The counties in England for the purposes of this Act are— (a)Greater London (excluding the City of London); (b)the areas which are to be regarded as counties for those purposes by virtue of paragraph 3; and (c)any other areas in England which are counties for the purposes of the Local Government Act 1972
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5 The Isles of Scilly shall be treated as part of the county of Cornwall for the purposes of this Act.
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Comments on the arms of Cornwall requested, generally the arms of the Duchy of Cornwall are used for Cornwall itself, however some people here seem to disagree, whats sources say that the arms of Cornwall are now only used by the Duchy estate? Dysklyver 11:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps we could use this ? Dysklyver 19:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
The infobox says the county was created in 1889, and was "preceded" by the Duchy of Cornwall. Neither of these are correct. The point where Cornwall became a county of England is probably a bit hazy, but it was well before 1889. The county certainly developed in part out of the Duchy, especially in administration, but it's far too much of a simplification to say the Duchy preceded the county -- the Duchy still exists, for example. These complexities are better described in the article, not in the infobox where they can easily lead to confusion. I've changed this part of the infobox back to the way it was a few months ago. -- Inops ( talk) 12:08, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
We're told this is the British term for "rutabaga" (which is indeed unknown in Britain - I first came across it in the Betty McDonald book "The egg and I", and had no idea what it was, except that it was some kind of vegetable, like the equally mysterious "Swiss chard"). But according to the Wikipedia article "Rutabaga", "Swedish turnip" is in fact an alternative American term for the vegetable. All Brits I've ever known - including myself - call it a "swede" (written with a small "s"), and many developed a lifelong dislike for swedes after being forced to eat them, boiled to a pulp and without seasoning of any kind, in low-quality British school dinners - "ugh, swedes again!" 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 16:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
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Add in in Demographics, according to a census of 2011, Cornwall is a very Christian area of the UK, with over 59% following Christianity. Ilovejellybagels ( talk) 11:51, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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In 1973 the Royal Commission on the Constitution stated that "the people of Cornwall regard their part of the United Kingdom as not just another English county" and accordingly they recommended that the designation "Duchy of Cornwall" be used on all occasions to emphasise the "special relationship and the territorial integrity of Cornwall." Duchy should therefore be used in this article, not county. Ohworkbtch ( talk) 21:57, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Shortening the lead would not really be an improvement; the present lead took much discussion to evolve and needs to be sufficiently long to give an account both of the territory of Cornwall and of the ceremonial county. It was decided not to have separate articles for these so the result is the present form of the article.-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 18:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
"Few Roman remains have been found in Cornwall, and there is little evidence that the Romans settled or had much military presence there" - I feel this needs to be re-worded. As it stands it's almost as if it's trying to make out Cornwall wasn't a part of the Roman Empire or that they had a causal relationship. The Roman Empire most definitely administered Cornwall! It was just sparsely populated and not suited for settlement among the urban elite. -- Trans-Neptunian object ( talk) 17:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Cardiff and Swansea, across the Bristol Channel, are connected to Cornwall by ferry, usually to Padstow. Swansea in particular has several boat companies that can arrange boat trips to north Cornwall, which allow the traveller to pass by the north Cornish coastline, including Tintagel Castle and Padstow harbour. Very occasionally, the Waverley and Balmoral paddle steamers cruise from Swansea or Bristol to Padstow.
Is this true anymore? I've not heard of them, nor can I find any evidence of any. They do still run passenger ferries to Devon for tourism, but not, as far as I can see, to Cornwall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren ( talk • contribs) 04:09, 21 May 2015
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The term 'Brython' in the introduction to this article links through to the article 'Celtic Britons', which is the term used in the body of the Cornwall article.
The 'Celtic Britons' article refers to 'Brython' as "The Welsh word... introduced into English usage by John Rhys in 1884 as a term unambiguously referring to the P-Celtic speakers of Great Britain, to complement Goidel; hence the adjective Brythonic referring to the group of languages."
Outside Wales, it seems clear that'Brython' is a linguistic term; used principally in the form Brythonic. There is no mention of 'Brython' in terms of a prehistoric population of Britain. I question the use of 'Brythons' in such phrases as:- "It continued to be occupied by Neolithic and then Bronze Age peoples, and later (in the Iron Age) by Brythons with distinctive cultural relations to neighbouring Wales and Brittany." and: "Cornwall was the home of a division of the Dumnonii tribe – whose tribal centre was in the modern county of Devon – known as the Cornovii, separated from the Brythons of Wales after the Battle of Deorham."
This looks like pseudo-history (Apart from anything else, isn't "Brythons of Wales" an anachronism?) perhaps with a tinge of Celtic cultural nationalism- with which I have no quarrel. It simply robs the article of authority in this instance.
For the sake of consistency if nothing else, surely the term 'Briton' should be used throughout. JF42 ( talk) 09:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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No criticism of the independence movement? Cornwall could never become an independent nation - who do you think pays for all their shit? Do you think the interior of Cornwall is able to generate enough tax wealth to pay for its public services!? HAHA! And the coastal regions...sure do get some wealthy outsiders there, but gee I wonder what sort of opinion your average Cornish nationalist holds for these individuals? The article massively overstates the support for independence at that...giving no mention as to how both main nationalist parties never manage to get over 10k votes each, and yet they are promoted over far larger parties such as the Lib Dems - who have in general lent themselves to calls for devolution. SURELY there has to be some criticism out there relating to this? Has anyone actually proposed how Cornwall could manage on its own, or do they want England to continue subsidizing the less well off districts? (Camborne...Redruth...lol)-- 109.149.121.129 ( talk) 15:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
nothing on film, Cornwall is full of film sets, treasure island was one of the first, poldark one of the latest, i suggest a brief section after visual arts. A Guy into Books ( talk) 21:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Cornwall has a rich and varied landscape often used as the backdrop to [[films]] and [[TV series]]. Recently Cornwall has received international attention from the new [[BBC]] production, [[Poldark (2015 TV series)|Poldark]] which is filmed in a number of [[Cornwall film locations|locations]] around Cornwall.Α Guy into Books™ § ( Message) - 14:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
At the end of August/early September Aguyintobooks unilateraly made substantial changes to the lead. When I made further changes to eliminate the problems with his version of the lead he reverted me with the comment "Reverting unhelpful changes made without consensus". Given that he didn't seek consensus for his edits the same applies to his edits. On that basis I have reverted the lead to the last stable version. We can then discuss any further improvements here. Eckerslike ( talk) 11:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Eckerslike: Diff [1]. Can I have some feedback on what the problems with my improvements was, I was under the impression it was better because it is less focused on recent sources, and made more of an effort to balance the available sources. "Cornwall" (this article) is many things, both historically, culturally and politically. With this current lead you may as well call it Cornwall since 1885, because it is impossible to integrate the other sections of the lead without adequate representation in the lede paragraph. (btw I don't mind if you want the "Cornwall is in England" bit to come first, It occurred to me that could be the problem.) Α Guy into Books™ § ( Message) - 12:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
To resolve issues in the lead, comments are requested regarding the definition of the ceremonial county. Including when it was established (which may have been 1888 or some other date). And whether the ceremonial county is in England or United Kingdom. Dysklyver 14:19, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Ceremonial counties only exist in England. Eckerslike ( talk) 16:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)The Lieutenancies Act 1997 defines counties for the purposes of lieutenancies in terms of metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties (created by the Local Government Act 1972, as amended) as well as Greater London and the Isles of Scilly (which lie outside the 1972 Act's new system). Although the term is not used in the Act, these counties are sometimes known as "ceremonial counties".
As of the four editors commenting on this section you are the only one insisting that Cornwall is not in England I don't think you can claim any consensus for that position. Your claim that the primary topic is pre-1888 is flat out wrong. When people refer to Cornwall they will be refering to present day Cornwall. For your information the "County of Cornwall" is actually referred to (several times) in the 1337 charter that created the duchy so your assertion that it was formed in 1753 is also false. It would be helpful if you actually state what is wrong with the Wikipedea article on the Lieutenancies Act 1997. However as you show such distaste for its content I will quote from the act directly. In schedule 2, under the heading Counties in England it states
2 The counties in England for the purposes of this Act are— (a)Greater London (excluding the City of London); (b)the areas which are to be regarded as counties for those purposes by virtue of paragraph 3; and (c)any other areas in England which are counties for the purposes of the Local Government Act 1972
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5 The Isles of Scilly shall be treated as part of the county of Cornwall for the purposes of this Act.
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Comments on the arms of Cornwall requested, generally the arms of the Duchy of Cornwall are used for Cornwall itself, however some people here seem to disagree, whats sources say that the arms of Cornwall are now only used by the Duchy estate? Dysklyver 11:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps we could use this ? Dysklyver 19:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
The infobox says the county was created in 1889, and was "preceded" by the Duchy of Cornwall. Neither of these are correct. The point where Cornwall became a county of England is probably a bit hazy, but it was well before 1889. The county certainly developed in part out of the Duchy, especially in administration, but it's far too much of a simplification to say the Duchy preceded the county -- the Duchy still exists, for example. These complexities are better described in the article, not in the infobox where they can easily lead to confusion. I've changed this part of the infobox back to the way it was a few months ago. -- Inops ( talk) 12:08, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
We're told this is the British term for "rutabaga" (which is indeed unknown in Britain - I first came across it in the Betty McDonald book "The egg and I", and had no idea what it was, except that it was some kind of vegetable, like the equally mysterious "Swiss chard"). But according to the Wikipedia article "Rutabaga", "Swedish turnip" is in fact an alternative American term for the vegetable. All Brits I've ever known - including myself - call it a "swede" (written with a small "s"), and many developed a lifelong dislike for swedes after being forced to eat them, boiled to a pulp and without seasoning of any kind, in low-quality British school dinners - "ugh, swedes again!" 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 16:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
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I've partially protected the article temporarily to stop an anonymous editor who is changing IP addresses to make the same edit to the article which has been subject to discussion before, and has had its wording agreed (which the editor obviously takes exception to). DDStretch (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
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Add in in Demographics, according to a census of 2011, Cornwall is a very Christian area of the UK, with over 59% following Christianity. Ilovejellybagels ( talk) 11:51, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
References
In 1973 the Royal Commission on the Constitution stated that "the people of Cornwall regard their part of the United Kingdom as not just another English county" and accordingly they recommended that the designation "Duchy of Cornwall" be used on all occasions to emphasise the "special relationship and the territorial integrity of Cornwall." Duchy should therefore be used in this article, not county. Ohworkbtch ( talk) 21:57, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Shortening the lead would not really be an improvement; the present lead took much discussion to evolve and needs to be sufficiently long to give an account both of the territory of Cornwall and of the ceremonial county. It was decided not to have separate articles for these so the result is the present form of the article.-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 18:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
"Few Roman remains have been found in Cornwall, and there is little evidence that the Romans settled or had much military presence there" - I feel this needs to be re-worded. As it stands it's almost as if it's trying to make out Cornwall wasn't a part of the Roman Empire or that they had a causal relationship. The Roman Empire most definitely administered Cornwall! It was just sparsely populated and not suited for settlement among the urban elite. -- Trans-Neptunian object ( talk) 17:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)