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Do we really need this? It's in the body of the article, which is fine. I think it's overkill to put it in the lead, and presents a neutrality issue. Coretheapple ( talk) 22:20, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Vandals don't get special treatment, especially if they are running for a federal office. That his campaign admitted to WP:POV on his page is completely unprecedented for someone of this level of influence. It absolutely needs to be in the lead. -- Sleyece ( talk) 11:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I am not the article subject. But clearly IP opinions have no value on BLP issues. I'll kindly not participate any longer. FYI I have explicitly not created an account because of users like you Rocky. 71.203.254.54 ( talk) 23:54, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
How should the following material be handled:
(the ref is CNN: "Virginia gubernatorial candidate removed unflattering info from Wikipedia page", URL here).
Should this material (or something like it) be
Herostratus ( talk) 15:12, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Don't have too much more to add. In my view it's a simple issue. Thanks for commencing this RfC - best approach for sure. Coretheapple ( talk) 15:16, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Well, I guess one point: I'd suggest that editors consider that there are other things that could with more validity go into the lead. The "cuckservative" stuff, his overheated rhetoric. I think that is more important than his wiki-editing text. Coretheapple ( talk) 16:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Stewart, like other figures associated with the alt-right, perhaps is provocative on purpose, as a way of grabbing attention. That being the case, if the article is full of negative information about him, maybe that's exactly what he wants, and therefore he wouldn't object to its being "unbalanced". St. claires fire ( talk) 00:31, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Why isn't there any mention of this in our article?
Currently the only mention of either "Confederate" or "Civil War" is in the refs where we link
this article, which we link for the innocuous statement Stewart is a native of Duluth, Minnesota
, which seems like a comically poor reading of what the source actually says. (Yes, I know someone almost certainly had their own idea of what the article should say and found a source that supported it, without regard for what the source was actually all about, and how in most cases this is at least acceptable if not desirable.)
I'm not very interested in getting heavily involved with political BLPs, so I'll leave it for someone else to do.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 05:32, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
I reverted some POV edits that an anon IP made recently. He resurfaced a few minutes ago and reverted me. I left them a message on their talk apge encouraging them to discuss here. Rockypedia ( talk) 21:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Anon IP's response:
Rockypedia - your edits substantially rewrote the immigration section of this article, replacing citations to the Washington Post with citations to two magazine articles (National Geographic and The New Yorker). The edits were factually inaccurate and not in accordance with Wikipedia's BLP standards - other issues include: 1. Use of language inconsistent with the rest of the article, and other Wikipedia articles on similar topics; 2. Claims that cannot be validated or corroborated by other sources and appear to be political in nature ("designed to purge the county of undocumented immigrants"); 3. Factual inaccuracy.
As Wikipedia's BLP page notes, "We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.184.47 ( talk) 16:00, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
I just want to say that there have been some attempts to add negative information over on Nick Freitas' page by random accounts that were created specifically to advance Corey Stewart's campaign. Freitas is a Republican running against Stewart right now.
Considering the history we've seen of Stewart's campaign operatives editing their candidate's own page, is it too much to ask that his page, and the pages of all his opponents (Republican and Democrat) be protected? Or could we have folks monitoring these pages to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen again? Freitas' page isn't all that long at the moment anyway, it just strikes me as extremely dishonest to try to mess with it as an extension of a political campaign. I imagine we're about to see similar hit jobs on E.W. Jackson and Tim Kaine. 2601:5C2:C500:4D3E:D529:2195:58C7:9493 ( talk) 02:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I made a few changes to the immigration section, while doing my best to preserve Rockypedia's edits.
-- 172.58.185.216 ( talk) 18:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Can someone look up User talk:StopbeingBIAS? Just glancing at their edits, they e done everything from making changes to the 2018 Senate Wiki Page to adding in a bogus website attacking one of Corey’s stewart’s primary opponents to their Wikipedia page (and replacing their legitimate website with it in the process!)
My gut instinct is telling me that this is another case of Corey’s Stewart’s campaign creating Wikipedia accounts to meddle in an election he is running in.
Just check out contribs. I can provide the direct links if necessary.-- 2601:5C2:C500:4D3E:5877:496C:3E4E:3CA2 ( talk) 18:50, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
This text keeps getting removed: According to The New York Times, Stewart "made his name attacking illegal immigrants and embracing emblems of the Confederacy." [1] Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 12:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below; I have also added a hatnote to this article, but for the time being the disambiguation page has been retained at the proposed title, as it's not harming anything. Dekimasu よ! 20:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
– Likely primary topic in a WP:TWODABS situation. Subject was a relatively high-profile state politician even before his current nomination to a U.S. Senate seat, having drawn national attention during his previous bid for the gubernatorial nomination. The only other "Corey Stewart" is a perma-stub rugby player with a short career. Even over the longer term, this article gets an average of about 350 views per day; the rugby player averages 2 views per day. I would also support moving this article and doing away with the disambiguation page altogether. bd2412 T 20:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
An IP account removed content from the lede an hour after it was added (it's totally normal for an IP number to watchlist an article like that, right?), noting Stewart's controversial and widely reported ties to white supremacists. The body devotes considerable space to this, and major RS have run long in-depth stories on this issue, demonstrating first and foremost that it's WP:DUE and secondly that it belongs in the lede. The highest office that this man has held is 'Chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors' yet national newspapers are devoting extensive space to him, in part due to his controversial ties to white supremacists. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 23:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
association with white supremacistsand
association with outspoken racists and white supremacistswhich you added. He was associated with Nehlen as were other Republicans until Nehlen came out as a white supremacist at which point according to NYT Stewart disavowed him. I notice you didn't include that. Instead we have
In June 2018, Stewart said that he no longer considered Nehlen one of his heroes. Not a very fair summary. 199.127.56.90 ( talk) 00:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The opening paragraph of a biography includes why a person is notable. The lead sentence should " describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources." Including "international trade attorney" in the first sentence of the lead is not supported by this guidance (especially as it precedes "politician"). Stewart is not notable as an international trade attorney and he is not commonly described as such in reliable sources. I think that sentence should be changed from this:
to this:
Thoughts? -- Pemilligan ( talk) 21:24, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
cc Ike54321 and Pemilligan
Just to document slightly more fully as keen to fully address the ToU implications - I agree with Pemilligan that the ownership of a home of historical significance is relevant to the article and merits inclusion. The web is littered with examples of there being coverage of his acquisition that merits us including it here - these being just two. [2], [3]. There are clearly no privacy implications if the information is already in the public domain - and expressly so, given that one of those articles is him arranging a tour for a journalist. Best, Darren-M talk 20:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response, however, I believe this to be more than simply a privacy concern, this is one of safety. Mr. Stewart is a relatively well known figure in Northern Virginia and a controversial one at that. Furthermore, the articles you mentioned were published while Mr. Stewart was a rather "small-time" public official (He was the chairman of PWC and had not yet dabbled in Statewide politics). Corey Stewart is no longer a career politician, he retired as of early 2019. Why is this relevant? Well, I think it's rather obvious. Mr. Stewart was not this "fire-brand," controversial politician at the time of these publications, something such as "doxing" or violent attacks were not major concerns. The public availability held within archived web-articles absolutely does not justify the publishing on a contemporary web page such as Wikipedia. In my view, it is incredibly irresponsible to leave the place of residence on the page. His home is a private residence, just as mine, just as yours. - Ike54321 ( talk) 00:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Copying across a comment from my talk page (introduced as 'Privacy Question / Concern'), to ensure discussion is in one central place:
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Thanks for the help / clarification Darren! Truly appreciated. Ike54321 ( talk) 19:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't think this is a necessary qualifier. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 21:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Kindof a weird article here.. 12 sources in the lead section and not one of them indicates that Stewart will never return to politics. Washington Post and Washington Examiner articles both clearly indicate he's quitting politics “for the foreseeable future”, not permanently. Clearly he's no longer Chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors, but WP:SYN currently exists here when we indicate he'll never be a political player.. Sucker for All ( talk) 08:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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Do we really need this? It's in the body of the article, which is fine. I think it's overkill to put it in the lead, and presents a neutrality issue. Coretheapple ( talk) 22:20, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Vandals don't get special treatment, especially if they are running for a federal office. That his campaign admitted to WP:POV on his page is completely unprecedented for someone of this level of influence. It absolutely needs to be in the lead. -- Sleyece ( talk) 11:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I am not the article subject. But clearly IP opinions have no value on BLP issues. I'll kindly not participate any longer. FYI I have explicitly not created an account because of users like you Rocky. 71.203.254.54 ( talk) 23:54, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
How should the following material be handled:
(the ref is CNN: "Virginia gubernatorial candidate removed unflattering info from Wikipedia page", URL here).
Should this material (or something like it) be
Herostratus ( talk) 15:12, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Don't have too much more to add. In my view it's a simple issue. Thanks for commencing this RfC - best approach for sure. Coretheapple ( talk) 15:16, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Well, I guess one point: I'd suggest that editors consider that there are other things that could with more validity go into the lead. The "cuckservative" stuff, his overheated rhetoric. I think that is more important than his wiki-editing text. Coretheapple ( talk) 16:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Stewart, like other figures associated with the alt-right, perhaps is provocative on purpose, as a way of grabbing attention. That being the case, if the article is full of negative information about him, maybe that's exactly what he wants, and therefore he wouldn't object to its being "unbalanced". St. claires fire ( talk) 00:31, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Why isn't there any mention of this in our article?
Currently the only mention of either "Confederate" or "Civil War" is in the refs where we link
this article, which we link for the innocuous statement Stewart is a native of Duluth, Minnesota
, which seems like a comically poor reading of what the source actually says. (Yes, I know someone almost certainly had their own idea of what the article should say and found a source that supported it, without regard for what the source was actually all about, and how in most cases this is at least acceptable if not desirable.)
I'm not very interested in getting heavily involved with political BLPs, so I'll leave it for someone else to do.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 05:32, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
I reverted some POV edits that an anon IP made recently. He resurfaced a few minutes ago and reverted me. I left them a message on their talk apge encouraging them to discuss here. Rockypedia ( talk) 21:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Anon IP's response:
Rockypedia - your edits substantially rewrote the immigration section of this article, replacing citations to the Washington Post with citations to two magazine articles (National Geographic and The New Yorker). The edits were factually inaccurate and not in accordance with Wikipedia's BLP standards - other issues include: 1. Use of language inconsistent with the rest of the article, and other Wikipedia articles on similar topics; 2. Claims that cannot be validated or corroborated by other sources and appear to be political in nature ("designed to purge the county of undocumented immigrants"); 3. Factual inaccuracy.
As Wikipedia's BLP page notes, "We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.184.47 ( talk) 16:00, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
I just want to say that there have been some attempts to add negative information over on Nick Freitas' page by random accounts that were created specifically to advance Corey Stewart's campaign. Freitas is a Republican running against Stewart right now.
Considering the history we've seen of Stewart's campaign operatives editing their candidate's own page, is it too much to ask that his page, and the pages of all his opponents (Republican and Democrat) be protected? Or could we have folks monitoring these pages to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen again? Freitas' page isn't all that long at the moment anyway, it just strikes me as extremely dishonest to try to mess with it as an extension of a political campaign. I imagine we're about to see similar hit jobs on E.W. Jackson and Tim Kaine. 2601:5C2:C500:4D3E:D529:2195:58C7:9493 ( talk) 02:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I made a few changes to the immigration section, while doing my best to preserve Rockypedia's edits.
-- 172.58.185.216 ( talk) 18:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Can someone look up User talk:StopbeingBIAS? Just glancing at their edits, they e done everything from making changes to the 2018 Senate Wiki Page to adding in a bogus website attacking one of Corey’s stewart’s primary opponents to their Wikipedia page (and replacing their legitimate website with it in the process!)
My gut instinct is telling me that this is another case of Corey’s Stewart’s campaign creating Wikipedia accounts to meddle in an election he is running in.
Just check out contribs. I can provide the direct links if necessary.-- 2601:5C2:C500:4D3E:5877:496C:3E4E:3CA2 ( talk) 18:50, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
This text keeps getting removed: According to The New York Times, Stewart "made his name attacking illegal immigrants and embracing emblems of the Confederacy." [1] Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 12:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below; I have also added a hatnote to this article, but for the time being the disambiguation page has been retained at the proposed title, as it's not harming anything. Dekimasu よ! 20:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
– Likely primary topic in a WP:TWODABS situation. Subject was a relatively high-profile state politician even before his current nomination to a U.S. Senate seat, having drawn national attention during his previous bid for the gubernatorial nomination. The only other "Corey Stewart" is a perma-stub rugby player with a short career. Even over the longer term, this article gets an average of about 350 views per day; the rugby player averages 2 views per day. I would also support moving this article and doing away with the disambiguation page altogether. bd2412 T 20:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
An IP account removed content from the lede an hour after it was added (it's totally normal for an IP number to watchlist an article like that, right?), noting Stewart's controversial and widely reported ties to white supremacists. The body devotes considerable space to this, and major RS have run long in-depth stories on this issue, demonstrating first and foremost that it's WP:DUE and secondly that it belongs in the lede. The highest office that this man has held is 'Chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors' yet national newspapers are devoting extensive space to him, in part due to his controversial ties to white supremacists. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 23:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
association with white supremacistsand
association with outspoken racists and white supremacistswhich you added. He was associated with Nehlen as were other Republicans until Nehlen came out as a white supremacist at which point according to NYT Stewart disavowed him. I notice you didn't include that. Instead we have
In June 2018, Stewart said that he no longer considered Nehlen one of his heroes. Not a very fair summary. 199.127.56.90 ( talk) 00:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The opening paragraph of a biography includes why a person is notable. The lead sentence should " describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources." Including "international trade attorney" in the first sentence of the lead is not supported by this guidance (especially as it precedes "politician"). Stewart is not notable as an international trade attorney and he is not commonly described as such in reliable sources. I think that sentence should be changed from this:
to this:
Thoughts? -- Pemilligan ( talk) 21:24, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
cc Ike54321 and Pemilligan
Just to document slightly more fully as keen to fully address the ToU implications - I agree with Pemilligan that the ownership of a home of historical significance is relevant to the article and merits inclusion. The web is littered with examples of there being coverage of his acquisition that merits us including it here - these being just two. [2], [3]. There are clearly no privacy implications if the information is already in the public domain - and expressly so, given that one of those articles is him arranging a tour for a journalist. Best, Darren-M talk 20:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response, however, I believe this to be more than simply a privacy concern, this is one of safety. Mr. Stewart is a relatively well known figure in Northern Virginia and a controversial one at that. Furthermore, the articles you mentioned were published while Mr. Stewart was a rather "small-time" public official (He was the chairman of PWC and had not yet dabbled in Statewide politics). Corey Stewart is no longer a career politician, he retired as of early 2019. Why is this relevant? Well, I think it's rather obvious. Mr. Stewart was not this "fire-brand," controversial politician at the time of these publications, something such as "doxing" or violent attacks were not major concerns. The public availability held within archived web-articles absolutely does not justify the publishing on a contemporary web page such as Wikipedia. In my view, it is incredibly irresponsible to leave the place of residence on the page. His home is a private residence, just as mine, just as yours. - Ike54321 ( talk) 00:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Copying across a comment from my talk page (introduced as 'Privacy Question / Concern'), to ensure discussion is in one central place:
Legal issues
Subjects who have legal or other serious concerns about material they find about themselves on a Wikipedia page, whether in a BLP or elsewhere, may contact the Wikimedia Foundation's volunteer response team (known as OTRS). Please e-mail info-en-qwikimedia.org with a link to the article and details of the problem; for more information on how to get an error corrected, see here. It is usually better to ask for help rather than trying to change the material yourself.
As noted above, individuals involved in a significant legal or other off-wiki dispute with the subject of a biographical article are strongly discouraged from editing that article.
Thanks for the help / clarification Darren! Truly appreciated. Ike54321 ( talk) 19:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't think this is a necessary qualifier. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 21:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Kindof a weird article here.. 12 sources in the lead section and not one of them indicates that Stewart will never return to politics. Washington Post and Washington Examiner articles both clearly indicate he's quitting politics “for the foreseeable future”, not permanently. Clearly he's no longer Chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors, but WP:SYN currently exists here when we indicate he'll never be a political player.. Sucker for All ( talk) 08:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)