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Okay, I've gone through the article to clean it up a bit, and added lots of material from sources I've come across in my research. Among my edits:
Liaishard continues to insert material that either has no source, or that is not supported by the source provided:
couple whom met while following their own musical aspirations No source given for this.
he was shown a taser and warned he would be shot in the mouth The source given for the incident does not mention anything about his "mouth".
"it was the police not her brother whom got out of hand" This quote was not found in the source provided.
Clark maintained that this couldn't be true as all background checks are conducted by using peoples unique social security number which Clark had provided to producers in his contract, as a lot of people in the united states alone have the same name. No source given for this assertion.
Clark's account of his dismisal from the show is that he was punished not for his legal troubles, but for causing conflict with producers behind the scenes. According to Clark, after he made it to the final twelve finalists' round, he and the other finalists were unduly pressured by producers, who gave them two days to sign a contract, and select one of two attorneys offered to them for representation, or be un-cerimoniously dismissed from the show, as in Clarks' case. In Clark's account, he and ten of the other finalists knew that having the producers select and pay for an attorney for them was a conflict of interest, and that Abdul had told Clark "if you and half of the other finalists stand up to the producers and demand your own attorney they won't be so inclined to kick off half of their final twelve contestants as they would if only one or two of you stand up" . The other contestants decided to support him in standing up to producers, and consulted with Paula Abdul's lawyer from New york city Howard Siegel, [1] on Abdul's recommendation through Clark. Two weeks later after the smoking gun broke the story, producers began asking Clark... The link given is simply to Siegel’s website, and does not support any of this.
multiple eyewitness accounts of Clark and Abdul being intimate together in public and private places including Abduls home including Abduls home... If they were in her home, who exactly were the eyewitnesses? Her three dogs?
...that she never lies saying... The passage already contains this assertion by Abdul. Including another one is redundant.
…and pointed out that all of the judges make song and wardrobe selections. This passage, which I had put into the article, was deleted, despite the fact that the source provided clearly supports it. I restored it.
http://www.foxesonidol.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article1147.art&page=1 this same link as above also portrays that both ricky and rueben were clarks room mates and that Abdul was one of the biggest sweethearts in his life, this interview was done shortly after clark was disqualified but before the allegations of his relationship with Abdul publicly arose... Other sources were already provided to establish who his roommates were. The “sweethearts” passage has nothing to do with the alleged affair.
"could not corroborate Clark's allegations or evidence",< ref> Foxs press release saying Abdul admitted to phone conversations with Clark</ref >
The original quote said “substantiate”, not “corroborate”, and did not include the phrase “or evidence”. Liaishard made this change even though it’s supposed to be a direct quote, making it incorrect, and the msnbc source she provided does not contain this new version of it. The closest that site contains to this new “quote” are these three passages:
“ | Lawyers who investigated claims by former contestant Corey Clark of a sexual relationship with Abdul could not substantiate his allegations | ” |
“ | The investigators concluded that Clark’s claims of a sexual relationship “have not been substantiated by any corroborating evidence or witnesses, including those provided by Mr. Clark | ” |
“ | Their accounts of those conversations, however, differ greatly and no evidence was uncovered to resolve the conflicts in their accounts,” according to the statement. | ” |
Since Liaishard insists wording this matter in a way that acknowledges the word “evidence”, I have inserted the last two of these three passages into the article. Hopefully that will satisfy her.
performed on and hosted the 2005 New Music Weekly Awards. The source provided does not indicate that he hosted.
Clarks heritage is of Hungarian Jewish < ref> wiki page on Jews history in Hungary</ ref> and African American < ref> wiki page on African American history</ ref>descent. These links are simply to the Wikipedia pages on Jewish-Hungarian history and African Americans, and thus do not support this assertion. Nightscream 08:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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I have made changes that I believe match the sources given. -- Geniac 15:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I edited the new material in the Early life and career section, for length, relevance, and to make it read better, placing the sources in the proper tags. I also removed the unsourced/non-NPOV material again. I also resolved one of those three assertions for which Geniac placed a direct quote request tag, namely, the "manipulation" comment. I found a source in which Clark makes a nearly identical-sounding comment, but in which he uses the word "exploitation" instead of "manipulation", so I changed the word and provided that source. Nightscream 10:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
And why do you get so technical about what i'm saying? Do you honestly think that when i said you guys told me not to draw my own conclusions, that i honestly allowed you to affect the way i think in everyday life? Your assertions above telling me i can draw whatever conclusions i like as an intelligent human being are very condescending and the very notion of you saying "what we told you to do" implies as if you are in charge of something except your big mouth and you aren't. I know damn well i can make my own mind up, and was only referring to inputing that opinion into the article, you or anyone else here have no bearing over my life outside of wiki so i don't need your Permission to make my mind up about anything, we were simply talking about the rules of wiki. So keep it there. Besides the fact that COREY CLARK had to sign the same agreement as fantasia barrino rueben studdard and kelly clarkson, his proof or evidence is his direct interaction and involvement with the subjects here, American Idol. And besides, he doesn't need proof, as seraphim blade said, all we can do here ON WIKI is QOUTE CLARK AND PROPERLY ATTRIBUTE HIS WORDS TO HIM, not try to prove or disprove that what he said is true or false. That is not the purpose of Wiki, it's a place only for the facts of what happened or what was said. So i printed the FACT that Clark said this in his book about American Idol and Paula Abdul, and i quoted it word for word, i just copy and pasted. And he's not saying they restrict the contestants free speech, he's saying that anything that has to do with AMERICAN IDOL IN ANY INTERVIEW HAS TO BE CLEARED BY IDOL TO ALLOW YOU TO TALK ABOUT AMERICAN IDOL OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SHOW IF YOU WERE A CONTESTANT ON THEIR SHOW AND SIGNED ONE OF THEIR CONTRACTS, that is if you are not being black balled by the show in the music industry like clark and you have nothing to lose by telling the truth. I'm sure you'd agree that someone in the good graces of idol, unlike clark, like a winner of one of the seasons fo idol perhaps like fantasia, would feel almost obligated if not contractually bound, that they have a lot to lose if they talk out against idol, or not follow the gameplan of backing idol. Like Clark said in his book, it's funny they would talk to the winner of a season he wasn't a part of, but they won't talk to the winner of the season he was a part of, the winner of season 2 was even clarks room mate on the show, so even more pressing would the issue be to talk with him don't you think, unless he's not playing ball %100 and chooses not to lie on behalf of idol against his friend mr. clark. Liaishard 14:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
In placing a link to Answer.com's page on "conflict of interest", Liaishard wrote in her Edit Summary: "definition of conflict of interest for those like nightscream who don't seem to know what one is." First of all, please do not use Edit Summaries to insult or attack other editors. Second, the issue is not what the "definition" of a conflict of interest is, nor have I stated or otherwise indicated that I do not know what a conflict of interest is. Your Straw Man argument to that effect is simply another example of your tendency to stray from the central point of a disagreement by insulting me. The point is whether the situation described in the article is indeed one, and that calls for a legal conclusion by a judge. Opposing lawyers argue whether situations are conflicts of interest in courts all the time. Thus, it is not a fact, but an opinion. Specifically, it's Clark and the other contestants' opinion, and while it may be a perfectly valid one, it is not appropriate (or even necessary) for the article to indicate whether it is "right" or "wrong". It only needs to state what Clark's position is. Your repeated brazen attempts to change the language of the passage is simply your attempt to make the article agree with his opinion, as if it is somehow a fact. This is a violation of the NPOV policy, which Wikipedia is not going to suspend or reconfigure just to suit your personal vanities. It is only necessary to state what Clark's position was. It is not necessary for the article to take a position on whether it is right or wrong. Keep changing that passage, and it will be reverted, and you will be blocked for your repeated violations of the site's policies. Nightscream 20:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Clark's own book should be treated as a primary and potentially biased source, AS SHOULD ANY SOURCES self-published by the others involved, and used very sparingly and mainly as a source of information on itself. If the claims it makes have not been corroborated or republished by reliable independent sources, any sections regarding accusations from the book should be very careful to attribute the claims to Clark ("In his book, Clark asserts that..."). If allegations or responses made by a party weren't picked up and reported on by secondary sources, they probably shouldn't be in the article. If they were, THEY CERTAINLY CAN BE, attributed to that source and carefully phrased to make it clear that it was an allegation or statement, not something the source reported as factual. (OF COURSE, THOSE THINGS which SOURCES DID REPORT AS FACTUAL CAN CERTAINLY be PRESENTED and REFERENCED that way.")
I am in the music industry and have a plethora of knowledge of what is contractually acceptable and what's not, according to law mind you, and i have no personal vanitys about the way i want the article to read i just want the truth in the article, yet i continue to get only your harpings in my ear of what you claim to be wiki policy, you try and hold policy against me in an attempt to make an edit of your own and discredit me to other editors and administrators and than violate the same policy by putting your own opinion into how the article should read, NICE SLIGHT OF HAND NIGHTSCREAM.
“ When the curtain went up the first night, I was floored by the response from the sell-out crowd. I’d never been on stage as a professional singer before, and I got to see someone at the peak of his career working the stage and the audience. Every night he made his performance feel fresh, not just going through the motions. Experiencing the energy of a live show wasn’t at all like listening to a tape or a CD, I realized. It was magical. I was hooked"!
Conflict Of Interest related to the practice of law In the legal profession, the duty of loyalty owed to a client prohibits an attorney (or a law firm) from representing any other party with interests adverse to those of a current client. The few exceptions to this rule require informed written consent from all affected clients. In some circumstances, a conflict of interest can never be waived by a client. As perhaps the most common example encountered by the general public, the same firm will not represent both parties in a divorce case.
A prohibited or undisclosed representation involving a Conflict Of Interest can subject an attorney to disciplinary hearings, the denial or disgorge of legal fees, or in some cases (such as the failure to make mandatory disclosure) criminal proceedings. In the U.S.A., possible conflicting clients of a single attorney are deemed as possible conflicts for all lawyers associated with a law firm. Law Firms often employ software in conjuction with their case management and accounting systems in order to meet their duties to monitor their Conflict Of Interest exposure, and obtain waivers when necessary or appropriate.
Conflict Of Interest generally (unrelated to the practice of law) More generally, conflict of interest can be defined as any situation in which an individual or corporation (either private or governmental) is in a position to exploit a professional or official capacity in some way for their personal or corporate benefit." End quote
Third person wording refers to when a writer is relating what someone else says in the form of a paraphrase. When one says, for example, "President Lincoln said he wanted to pass this law...", they are speaking in third person. First-person wording, on the other hand, is when the writer and the person speaking are one and the same, and would read as follows: "I wish to pass this law." The passage "Clark felt" or "Clark knew" is not a first person passage, nor is it a "direct quote". A direct quote, as I've informed you numerous times, is when you repeat the person's statement word for word, and with proper quotation marks. "Clark knew" is not a "direct quote copied and pasted word for word from Clarks book", unless you're asserting that Clark has a tendency to speak of himself in the third person. Nightscream 23:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
wHAT YOU SAY HERE MAKES SENSE, THIS IS WHAT CLARKS SAYS WORD FOR WORD IN HIS BOOK: Saturday, March 8th, Nigel and Simon Lythgoe and another producer, Kenny Warwick, called the 12 of us together to inform us that we needed to pick a lawyer to advise us on signing the AI contract. They were going to start paying us $1,000 a week, we would be given a clothing budget, we would be receiving a fixed amount for tour appearances, and a percentage of royalties from the second season CD. The contract looked like it was a hundred pages, it was a weekend, and they informed us we had to sign it by Monday, since the contest to pick the winner of the 12 was starting on Tuesday. Otherwise, they threatened to put us off of the show. But the “good news” was, they told us, that they had already pre-selected two attorneys we could choose from and the show would be picking up the attorneys expenses. Paula had warned me that this would be a conflict of interest, since our legal advisors would be on their payroll, something I had know about from my earlier dealings in the industry. When I brought this up at a prior meeting on the subject, the face of the staff’s legal counsel had gone white as he brushed my question aside and said to discuss it with the attorneys who might represent us. While we were waiting for them to come into the room, I stepped out and made a call to Paula. She told me not to sign anything, and that the other contestants and I should unite and insist on having an attorney of our own. “There’s strength in numbers” she said, and then she recommended one who was a friend of hers, who had represented Justin Guarini against the show the first year. And though she didn’t tell me this high profile New York Music Attorney turned out to be an attorney of hers as well, the shows higher up brass had no problem figuring it out and started putting two and two together. “If we all stood together,” Paula said, “then Idol couldn’t fire all of us.” She believed that if we tried to go about getting our own attorneys separately the show would pick us off one by one, just like they did to Mario Vasquez the fourth season of idol. End Quote. That looks pretty first person to me. Liaishard 00:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
And their position is their opinion. Because it is related in the third-person, it should be presented in a neutral manner. Oh, and as per your earlier comments your experience in the industry, and my supposed lack of knowledge of this matter, I refer you to Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, in particular, the third comment under "Comments".
Lastly, you in violation of the 3RR rule. I myself inadverdantly violated this rule a couple of years ago when I was new to Wikipedia, as I was unaware of it. Since you may not have known about it, you could be excused for this first violation. But your repeated insistence on reverting the article, even after you were warned, will further show administrators that you do not care about the site's rules, despite your earlier complaints that I never tried to "help" you fine-tune your wiki skills. As for your contention that I have also violated the rule, two points: First, reverting unsourced or non-NPOV material is an exception the rule, as stated under "Exceptions" on that policy's page. Second, even if this accusation of yours were true, you're not going to gain any credibility as a good faith editor by using violations of others as an excuse to commit the same violations yourself. I caution you to think before you proceed further on this course. Nightscream 00:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Geniac, you placed citation request tags on two passages, but those two passages are already sourced. The source for the "conflict of interest" passage is placed at the end of that paragraph (Note #11), and is this page at mtv.com. The source for the quote about him being defamed is same source, and is placed at the end of the sentence that immediately follows that quote (Note #20), which ends with "...in order to ruin his career." I changed the former passage to "Clark and his fellow contestants' position was that having the producers select an attorney for them was a conflict of interest..." I think it sounds neutral enough, and doesn't use the word "felt", which Liaishard objected to. Nightscream 18:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I am very confused about how many books he's written, and what they're called - as it reads now, it appears that there is 1 e-book, and 2 other books, but after reading again, are the titles "Bloody Kansas" and "American Politics" CHAPTER titles instead of book titles? I do not know the answer to this, but can somebody please make this more clear —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.31.178 ( talk) 16:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
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Okay, I've gone through the article to clean it up a bit, and added lots of material from sources I've come across in my research. Among my edits:
Liaishard continues to insert material that either has no source, or that is not supported by the source provided:
couple whom met while following their own musical aspirations No source given for this.
he was shown a taser and warned he would be shot in the mouth The source given for the incident does not mention anything about his "mouth".
"it was the police not her brother whom got out of hand" This quote was not found in the source provided.
Clark maintained that this couldn't be true as all background checks are conducted by using peoples unique social security number which Clark had provided to producers in his contract, as a lot of people in the united states alone have the same name. No source given for this assertion.
Clark's account of his dismisal from the show is that he was punished not for his legal troubles, but for causing conflict with producers behind the scenes. According to Clark, after he made it to the final twelve finalists' round, he and the other finalists were unduly pressured by producers, who gave them two days to sign a contract, and select one of two attorneys offered to them for representation, or be un-cerimoniously dismissed from the show, as in Clarks' case. In Clark's account, he and ten of the other finalists knew that having the producers select and pay for an attorney for them was a conflict of interest, and that Abdul had told Clark "if you and half of the other finalists stand up to the producers and demand your own attorney they won't be so inclined to kick off half of their final twelve contestants as they would if only one or two of you stand up" . The other contestants decided to support him in standing up to producers, and consulted with Paula Abdul's lawyer from New york city Howard Siegel, [1] on Abdul's recommendation through Clark. Two weeks later after the smoking gun broke the story, producers began asking Clark... The link given is simply to Siegel’s website, and does not support any of this.
multiple eyewitness accounts of Clark and Abdul being intimate together in public and private places including Abduls home including Abduls home... If they were in her home, who exactly were the eyewitnesses? Her three dogs?
...that she never lies saying... The passage already contains this assertion by Abdul. Including another one is redundant.
…and pointed out that all of the judges make song and wardrobe selections. This passage, which I had put into the article, was deleted, despite the fact that the source provided clearly supports it. I restored it.
http://www.foxesonidol.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article1147.art&page=1 this same link as above also portrays that both ricky and rueben were clarks room mates and that Abdul was one of the biggest sweethearts in his life, this interview was done shortly after clark was disqualified but before the allegations of his relationship with Abdul publicly arose... Other sources were already provided to establish who his roommates were. The “sweethearts” passage has nothing to do with the alleged affair.
"could not corroborate Clark's allegations or evidence",< ref> Foxs press release saying Abdul admitted to phone conversations with Clark</ref >
The original quote said “substantiate”, not “corroborate”, and did not include the phrase “or evidence”. Liaishard made this change even though it’s supposed to be a direct quote, making it incorrect, and the msnbc source she provided does not contain this new version of it. The closest that site contains to this new “quote” are these three passages:
“ | Lawyers who investigated claims by former contestant Corey Clark of a sexual relationship with Abdul could not substantiate his allegations | ” |
“ | The investigators concluded that Clark’s claims of a sexual relationship “have not been substantiated by any corroborating evidence or witnesses, including those provided by Mr. Clark | ” |
“ | Their accounts of those conversations, however, differ greatly and no evidence was uncovered to resolve the conflicts in their accounts,” according to the statement. | ” |
Since Liaishard insists wording this matter in a way that acknowledges the word “evidence”, I have inserted the last two of these three passages into the article. Hopefully that will satisfy her.
performed on and hosted the 2005 New Music Weekly Awards. The source provided does not indicate that he hosted.
Clarks heritage is of Hungarian Jewish < ref> wiki page on Jews history in Hungary</ ref> and African American < ref> wiki page on African American history</ ref>descent. These links are simply to the Wikipedia pages on Jewish-Hungarian history and African Americans, and thus do not support this assertion. Nightscream 08:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
References
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I have made changes that I believe match the sources given. -- Geniac 15:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I edited the new material in the Early life and career section, for length, relevance, and to make it read better, placing the sources in the proper tags. I also removed the unsourced/non-NPOV material again. I also resolved one of those three assertions for which Geniac placed a direct quote request tag, namely, the "manipulation" comment. I found a source in which Clark makes a nearly identical-sounding comment, but in which he uses the word "exploitation" instead of "manipulation", so I changed the word and provided that source. Nightscream 10:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
And why do you get so technical about what i'm saying? Do you honestly think that when i said you guys told me not to draw my own conclusions, that i honestly allowed you to affect the way i think in everyday life? Your assertions above telling me i can draw whatever conclusions i like as an intelligent human being are very condescending and the very notion of you saying "what we told you to do" implies as if you are in charge of something except your big mouth and you aren't. I know damn well i can make my own mind up, and was only referring to inputing that opinion into the article, you or anyone else here have no bearing over my life outside of wiki so i don't need your Permission to make my mind up about anything, we were simply talking about the rules of wiki. So keep it there. Besides the fact that COREY CLARK had to sign the same agreement as fantasia barrino rueben studdard and kelly clarkson, his proof or evidence is his direct interaction and involvement with the subjects here, American Idol. And besides, he doesn't need proof, as seraphim blade said, all we can do here ON WIKI is QOUTE CLARK AND PROPERLY ATTRIBUTE HIS WORDS TO HIM, not try to prove or disprove that what he said is true or false. That is not the purpose of Wiki, it's a place only for the facts of what happened or what was said. So i printed the FACT that Clark said this in his book about American Idol and Paula Abdul, and i quoted it word for word, i just copy and pasted. And he's not saying they restrict the contestants free speech, he's saying that anything that has to do with AMERICAN IDOL IN ANY INTERVIEW HAS TO BE CLEARED BY IDOL TO ALLOW YOU TO TALK ABOUT AMERICAN IDOL OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SHOW IF YOU WERE A CONTESTANT ON THEIR SHOW AND SIGNED ONE OF THEIR CONTRACTS, that is if you are not being black balled by the show in the music industry like clark and you have nothing to lose by telling the truth. I'm sure you'd agree that someone in the good graces of idol, unlike clark, like a winner of one of the seasons fo idol perhaps like fantasia, would feel almost obligated if not contractually bound, that they have a lot to lose if they talk out against idol, or not follow the gameplan of backing idol. Like Clark said in his book, it's funny they would talk to the winner of a season he wasn't a part of, but they won't talk to the winner of the season he was a part of, the winner of season 2 was even clarks room mate on the show, so even more pressing would the issue be to talk with him don't you think, unless he's not playing ball %100 and chooses not to lie on behalf of idol against his friend mr. clark. Liaishard 14:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
In placing a link to Answer.com's page on "conflict of interest", Liaishard wrote in her Edit Summary: "definition of conflict of interest for those like nightscream who don't seem to know what one is." First of all, please do not use Edit Summaries to insult or attack other editors. Second, the issue is not what the "definition" of a conflict of interest is, nor have I stated or otherwise indicated that I do not know what a conflict of interest is. Your Straw Man argument to that effect is simply another example of your tendency to stray from the central point of a disagreement by insulting me. The point is whether the situation described in the article is indeed one, and that calls for a legal conclusion by a judge. Opposing lawyers argue whether situations are conflicts of interest in courts all the time. Thus, it is not a fact, but an opinion. Specifically, it's Clark and the other contestants' opinion, and while it may be a perfectly valid one, it is not appropriate (or even necessary) for the article to indicate whether it is "right" or "wrong". It only needs to state what Clark's position is. Your repeated brazen attempts to change the language of the passage is simply your attempt to make the article agree with his opinion, as if it is somehow a fact. This is a violation of the NPOV policy, which Wikipedia is not going to suspend or reconfigure just to suit your personal vanities. It is only necessary to state what Clark's position was. It is not necessary for the article to take a position on whether it is right or wrong. Keep changing that passage, and it will be reverted, and you will be blocked for your repeated violations of the site's policies. Nightscream 20:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Clark's own book should be treated as a primary and potentially biased source, AS SHOULD ANY SOURCES self-published by the others involved, and used very sparingly and mainly as a source of information on itself. If the claims it makes have not been corroborated or republished by reliable independent sources, any sections regarding accusations from the book should be very careful to attribute the claims to Clark ("In his book, Clark asserts that..."). If allegations or responses made by a party weren't picked up and reported on by secondary sources, they probably shouldn't be in the article. If they were, THEY CERTAINLY CAN BE, attributed to that source and carefully phrased to make it clear that it was an allegation or statement, not something the source reported as factual. (OF COURSE, THOSE THINGS which SOURCES DID REPORT AS FACTUAL CAN CERTAINLY be PRESENTED and REFERENCED that way.")
I am in the music industry and have a plethora of knowledge of what is contractually acceptable and what's not, according to law mind you, and i have no personal vanitys about the way i want the article to read i just want the truth in the article, yet i continue to get only your harpings in my ear of what you claim to be wiki policy, you try and hold policy against me in an attempt to make an edit of your own and discredit me to other editors and administrators and than violate the same policy by putting your own opinion into how the article should read, NICE SLIGHT OF HAND NIGHTSCREAM.
“ When the curtain went up the first night, I was floored by the response from the sell-out crowd. I’d never been on stage as a professional singer before, and I got to see someone at the peak of his career working the stage and the audience. Every night he made his performance feel fresh, not just going through the motions. Experiencing the energy of a live show wasn’t at all like listening to a tape or a CD, I realized. It was magical. I was hooked"!
Conflict Of Interest related to the practice of law In the legal profession, the duty of loyalty owed to a client prohibits an attorney (or a law firm) from representing any other party with interests adverse to those of a current client. The few exceptions to this rule require informed written consent from all affected clients. In some circumstances, a conflict of interest can never be waived by a client. As perhaps the most common example encountered by the general public, the same firm will not represent both parties in a divorce case.
A prohibited or undisclosed representation involving a Conflict Of Interest can subject an attorney to disciplinary hearings, the denial or disgorge of legal fees, or in some cases (such as the failure to make mandatory disclosure) criminal proceedings. In the U.S.A., possible conflicting clients of a single attorney are deemed as possible conflicts for all lawyers associated with a law firm. Law Firms often employ software in conjuction with their case management and accounting systems in order to meet their duties to monitor their Conflict Of Interest exposure, and obtain waivers when necessary or appropriate.
Conflict Of Interest generally (unrelated to the practice of law) More generally, conflict of interest can be defined as any situation in which an individual or corporation (either private or governmental) is in a position to exploit a professional or official capacity in some way for their personal or corporate benefit." End quote
Third person wording refers to when a writer is relating what someone else says in the form of a paraphrase. When one says, for example, "President Lincoln said he wanted to pass this law...", they are speaking in third person. First-person wording, on the other hand, is when the writer and the person speaking are one and the same, and would read as follows: "I wish to pass this law." The passage "Clark felt" or "Clark knew" is not a first person passage, nor is it a "direct quote". A direct quote, as I've informed you numerous times, is when you repeat the person's statement word for word, and with proper quotation marks. "Clark knew" is not a "direct quote copied and pasted word for word from Clarks book", unless you're asserting that Clark has a tendency to speak of himself in the third person. Nightscream 23:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
wHAT YOU SAY HERE MAKES SENSE, THIS IS WHAT CLARKS SAYS WORD FOR WORD IN HIS BOOK: Saturday, March 8th, Nigel and Simon Lythgoe and another producer, Kenny Warwick, called the 12 of us together to inform us that we needed to pick a lawyer to advise us on signing the AI contract. They were going to start paying us $1,000 a week, we would be given a clothing budget, we would be receiving a fixed amount for tour appearances, and a percentage of royalties from the second season CD. The contract looked like it was a hundred pages, it was a weekend, and they informed us we had to sign it by Monday, since the contest to pick the winner of the 12 was starting on Tuesday. Otherwise, they threatened to put us off of the show. But the “good news” was, they told us, that they had already pre-selected two attorneys we could choose from and the show would be picking up the attorneys expenses. Paula had warned me that this would be a conflict of interest, since our legal advisors would be on their payroll, something I had know about from my earlier dealings in the industry. When I brought this up at a prior meeting on the subject, the face of the staff’s legal counsel had gone white as he brushed my question aside and said to discuss it with the attorneys who might represent us. While we were waiting for them to come into the room, I stepped out and made a call to Paula. She told me not to sign anything, and that the other contestants and I should unite and insist on having an attorney of our own. “There’s strength in numbers” she said, and then she recommended one who was a friend of hers, who had represented Justin Guarini against the show the first year. And though she didn’t tell me this high profile New York Music Attorney turned out to be an attorney of hers as well, the shows higher up brass had no problem figuring it out and started putting two and two together. “If we all stood together,” Paula said, “then Idol couldn’t fire all of us.” She believed that if we tried to go about getting our own attorneys separately the show would pick us off one by one, just like they did to Mario Vasquez the fourth season of idol. End Quote. That looks pretty first person to me. Liaishard 00:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
And their position is their opinion. Because it is related in the third-person, it should be presented in a neutral manner. Oh, and as per your earlier comments your experience in the industry, and my supposed lack of knowledge of this matter, I refer you to Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, in particular, the third comment under "Comments".
Lastly, you in violation of the 3RR rule. I myself inadverdantly violated this rule a couple of years ago when I was new to Wikipedia, as I was unaware of it. Since you may not have known about it, you could be excused for this first violation. But your repeated insistence on reverting the article, even after you were warned, will further show administrators that you do not care about the site's rules, despite your earlier complaints that I never tried to "help" you fine-tune your wiki skills. As for your contention that I have also violated the rule, two points: First, reverting unsourced or non-NPOV material is an exception the rule, as stated under "Exceptions" on that policy's page. Second, even if this accusation of yours were true, you're not going to gain any credibility as a good faith editor by using violations of others as an excuse to commit the same violations yourself. I caution you to think before you proceed further on this course. Nightscream 00:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Geniac, you placed citation request tags on two passages, but those two passages are already sourced. The source for the "conflict of interest" passage is placed at the end of that paragraph (Note #11), and is this page at mtv.com. The source for the quote about him being defamed is same source, and is placed at the end of the sentence that immediately follows that quote (Note #20), which ends with "...in order to ruin his career." I changed the former passage to "Clark and his fellow contestants' position was that having the producers select an attorney for them was a conflict of interest..." I think it sounds neutral enough, and doesn't use the word "felt", which Liaishard objected to. Nightscream 18:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I am very confused about how many books he's written, and what they're called - as it reads now, it appears that there is 1 e-book, and 2 other books, but after reading again, are the titles "Bloody Kansas" and "American Politics" CHAPTER titles instead of book titles? I do not know the answer to this, but can somebody please make this more clear —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.31.178 ( talk) 16:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
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