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In the Maillardville article there is a list of Coquitlam neighbourhoods (which does not appear here and Ithink that page gets little traffic) which includes Hochaday and Coleman and a few others I have never heard of despite growing up in Coquitlam - could some of you other coquitlam folks check and tell me if you've heard of these places?
They are all of the Town Centre area - could some be added of the old part of town (I grew up knowing of it as Central Coquitlam, though I know now with the town centre that causes confusion - Austin Heights, Como Lake, Harbour Chines, Mundy Park, etc.) and Maillardville. It's a good chunk of the city, and not represented at all, the Town Centre new buildings are part, but only part, of the Coquitlam story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.44.98.34 ( talk) 14:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Maybe photos could be added of Como Lake (you can get beautiful shots with the mountains in the background) or of Place des Arts and the Heritage area there, or even Riverview? It feels like the old part of Coquitlam is underepresented, and the photo of Chimo Pool doesn't currently show up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.83 ( talk) 16:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Why are people vandaliszing this article with a stinky fish (slime) quote? Coquitlam was named for the word in the coast salish language. after the latest vandal rv, i googled coquitalm and could find no other meanings than : little pink fish. If there is another meaning quote the proof here, or it will be a vandal rv. Moreover, this is an article on the CITY coquitlam, not the WORD. Coquitlam was named for the coast salish word. therefore if someone does find an alternative meaning for the word, that should go under a seperate article: Coquitlam.- Diskadia 22:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
http://books.google.ca/books?id=zvrdVG44R-IC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=halkomelem+dictionary+coquitlam&source=bl&ots=R0NWHDntyu&sig=g-X09gp735HYAnsePTinwH7iI5k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R41kUszGJObAigLK2YGABQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=halkomelem%20dictionary%20coquitlam&f=false - Take a look at this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.145.109 ( talk) 02:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Self evident. He has his own entry. He should merely be recorded as coming from here. As Woody Allen is listed as coming from New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadaman1 ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
In referencing WP:DATERET, the article has since 2009 been using DMY. Looking at the article prior to my edit on 26 March 2015, the article used predominantly DMY, particularly in the reference section. In looking back at the article in January 2009, the same DMY format still exists providing the basis for the continuation of DMY. Mkdw talk 18:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
According to this site https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/coquitlam/historic?month=11&year=2016 the November record high was broken last year. I'm not sure if I should add it to the climate section. Does anyone know if it's reliable? Socialistboyy ( talk) 00:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)socialistboyy
It was broken in July 2009, but I'm not sure how to add another reference. Sorry. http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/almanac_e.html?txtStationName=glenayre&searchMethod=contains&month=7&day=29&timeframe=4&period=30&startRow=1&StationID=834&month=7&day=29# Alex of Canada ( talk) 07:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)Alex of Canada
Alright, thank you. Is there a way to delete this talk page section? Alex of Canada ( talk) 00:18, 28 August 2017 (UTC)Alex of Canada
@ Alex of Canada: Do we really want this section in the article? Sure, that month feels significant to us who live in the lower mainland and on the BC coast but the event happened almost 10 years ago and to an outsider, our primary audience, I don’t think it’s really all that worthy of mentioning here. Yes, it’s at the outer limits of what can be experienced here for weather but it comes across to me as a way that locals brag about the weather they experience. What do you think? Air.light ( talk) 01:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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@ Premeditated Chaos: You added back to the article that Coquitlam is situated on the "traditional, ancestral and unceded territory" of a local Indigenous tribe. What is the difference between "traditional" and "ancestral", and could you please define "unceded" (in the context of this article)? Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 19:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Magnolia677 and Koiramainen, since you have attempted to remove the land acknowledgement from the article (twice now in the former case), let's discuss.
If you are not from Canada, especially from BC, you may not be aware that a great deal of the province - 95% in fact - is located on First Nations territory that was never ceded or signed away in any treaty. The land which Coquitlam is located on is part of that 95%, as asserted by the Kwikwetlem First Nation and acknowledged by the the City itself, its Heritage Organization, and its school district.
Magnolia, you argue that "whether the territory was "ancestral and unceded" 200+ years ago is irrelevant on this article". If the territory was unceded 200+ years ago, that means it's still unceded today - which is obviously relevant for the present day and therefore for the article. All the article does at present is state that. It would be an NPOV violation if our article attempted to assert some kind of moral or legal position about this, but it doesn't. It simply states a point of fact that is acknowledged by the relevant parties. Frankly, your insistence on removing it seems to me to indicate some kind of bias you may want to interrogate. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Premeditated Chaos: Land acknowledgements are political and should not be included. CBC states they are " political statements meant to recognize First Nations, Inuit, and Métis territory", and CNN states they are "an attempt to address the past, present and future of a particular location as it relates to Indigenous peoples as well as to understand one's own place within it". Wikipedia articles should be neutral in tone and not a place for advocacy or persuasion. Moreover, there is nothing stopping an agenda-driven editor from including an identical land claim on hundreds of geographic articles. These should not be included on city articles. Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Should a First Nations "land acknowledgement" be included on a Canadian city article? Magnolia677 ( talk) 23:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
By no, if it reads like an actual land acknowledgement, it is impossible to detach from the non-neutral, politically-motivated language. Further, if it is elevated to the lead, it has WP:UNDUE weight and therefore appears politically motivated.
Note: I do not endorse including it in the History section. The History section should be primarily focused on the history of the geographic footprint of the city as it has evolved over time, not a vastly larger area surrounding and including the city. If the Kwikwetlem First Nation has a historical settlement or event occur within (or even adjacent) to the historically evolving geographic footprint of the city, then by all means include neutral, referenced facts on the settlement/event(s) in the History section.
In summary yes, in the Geography section if neutral and sourced, and no if using non-neutral, politically-motivated language and/or if in lead or History section.
Side comment: it is absolutely disgusting to include an analogy in the previous discussion that compares the notable fact a city is within historical Indigenous territory to the trivial fact the same city has a garbage pickup schedule. It wreaks of xenophobia, intended or not. Hwy43 ( talk) 03:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
"Coquitlam is situated on the ancestral, traditional, and unceded territory of the Kwikwetlem First Nation (kʷikʷəƛ̓əm)."[a] [2] [3] Magnolia677 ( talk) 09:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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"Coquitlam is within the historical territory of the Kwikwetlem First Nation." refHwy43 ( talk) 02:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Both these editors have confused a "land acknowledgement" with "indigenous history".- SusanLesch ( talk) 16:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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In the Maillardville article there is a list of Coquitlam neighbourhoods (which does not appear here and Ithink that page gets little traffic) which includes Hochaday and Coleman and a few others I have never heard of despite growing up in Coquitlam - could some of you other coquitlam folks check and tell me if you've heard of these places?
They are all of the Town Centre area - could some be added of the old part of town (I grew up knowing of it as Central Coquitlam, though I know now with the town centre that causes confusion - Austin Heights, Como Lake, Harbour Chines, Mundy Park, etc.) and Maillardville. It's a good chunk of the city, and not represented at all, the Town Centre new buildings are part, but only part, of the Coquitlam story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.44.98.34 ( talk) 14:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Maybe photos could be added of Como Lake (you can get beautiful shots with the mountains in the background) or of Place des Arts and the Heritage area there, or even Riverview? It feels like the old part of Coquitlam is underepresented, and the photo of Chimo Pool doesn't currently show up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.83 ( talk) 16:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Why are people vandaliszing this article with a stinky fish (slime) quote? Coquitlam was named for the word in the coast salish language. after the latest vandal rv, i googled coquitalm and could find no other meanings than : little pink fish. If there is another meaning quote the proof here, or it will be a vandal rv. Moreover, this is an article on the CITY coquitlam, not the WORD. Coquitlam was named for the coast salish word. therefore if someone does find an alternative meaning for the word, that should go under a seperate article: Coquitlam.- Diskadia 22:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
http://books.google.ca/books?id=zvrdVG44R-IC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=halkomelem+dictionary+coquitlam&source=bl&ots=R0NWHDntyu&sig=g-X09gp735HYAnsePTinwH7iI5k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R41kUszGJObAigLK2YGABQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=halkomelem%20dictionary%20coquitlam&f=false - Take a look at this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.145.109 ( talk) 02:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Self evident. He has his own entry. He should merely be recorded as coming from here. As Woody Allen is listed as coming from New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadaman1 ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
In referencing WP:DATERET, the article has since 2009 been using DMY. Looking at the article prior to my edit on 26 March 2015, the article used predominantly DMY, particularly in the reference section. In looking back at the article in January 2009, the same DMY format still exists providing the basis for the continuation of DMY. Mkdw talk 18:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
According to this site https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/coquitlam/historic?month=11&year=2016 the November record high was broken last year. I'm not sure if I should add it to the climate section. Does anyone know if it's reliable? Socialistboyy ( talk) 00:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)socialistboyy
It was broken in July 2009, but I'm not sure how to add another reference. Sorry. http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/almanac_e.html?txtStationName=glenayre&searchMethod=contains&month=7&day=29&timeframe=4&period=30&startRow=1&StationID=834&month=7&day=29# Alex of Canada ( talk) 07:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)Alex of Canada
Alright, thank you. Is there a way to delete this talk page section? Alex of Canada ( talk) 00:18, 28 August 2017 (UTC)Alex of Canada
@ Alex of Canada: Do we really want this section in the article? Sure, that month feels significant to us who live in the lower mainland and on the BC coast but the event happened almost 10 years ago and to an outsider, our primary audience, I don’t think it’s really all that worthy of mentioning here. Yes, it’s at the outer limits of what can be experienced here for weather but it comes across to me as a way that locals brag about the weather they experience. What do you think? Air.light ( talk) 01:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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@ Premeditated Chaos: You added back to the article that Coquitlam is situated on the "traditional, ancestral and unceded territory" of a local Indigenous tribe. What is the difference between "traditional" and "ancestral", and could you please define "unceded" (in the context of this article)? Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 19:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Magnolia677 and Koiramainen, since you have attempted to remove the land acknowledgement from the article (twice now in the former case), let's discuss.
If you are not from Canada, especially from BC, you may not be aware that a great deal of the province - 95% in fact - is located on First Nations territory that was never ceded or signed away in any treaty. The land which Coquitlam is located on is part of that 95%, as asserted by the Kwikwetlem First Nation and acknowledged by the the City itself, its Heritage Organization, and its school district.
Magnolia, you argue that "whether the territory was "ancestral and unceded" 200+ years ago is irrelevant on this article". If the territory was unceded 200+ years ago, that means it's still unceded today - which is obviously relevant for the present day and therefore for the article. All the article does at present is state that. It would be an NPOV violation if our article attempted to assert some kind of moral or legal position about this, but it doesn't. It simply states a point of fact that is acknowledged by the relevant parties. Frankly, your insistence on removing it seems to me to indicate some kind of bias you may want to interrogate. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Premeditated Chaos: Land acknowledgements are political and should not be included. CBC states they are " political statements meant to recognize First Nations, Inuit, and Métis territory", and CNN states they are "an attempt to address the past, present and future of a particular location as it relates to Indigenous peoples as well as to understand one's own place within it". Wikipedia articles should be neutral in tone and not a place for advocacy or persuasion. Moreover, there is nothing stopping an agenda-driven editor from including an identical land claim on hundreds of geographic articles. These should not be included on city articles. Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Should a First Nations "land acknowledgement" be included on a Canadian city article? Magnolia677 ( talk) 23:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
By no, if it reads like an actual land acknowledgement, it is impossible to detach from the non-neutral, politically-motivated language. Further, if it is elevated to the lead, it has WP:UNDUE weight and therefore appears politically motivated.
Note: I do not endorse including it in the History section. The History section should be primarily focused on the history of the geographic footprint of the city as it has evolved over time, not a vastly larger area surrounding and including the city. If the Kwikwetlem First Nation has a historical settlement or event occur within (or even adjacent) to the historically evolving geographic footprint of the city, then by all means include neutral, referenced facts on the settlement/event(s) in the History section.
In summary yes, in the Geography section if neutral and sourced, and no if using non-neutral, politically-motivated language and/or if in lead or History section.
Side comment: it is absolutely disgusting to include an analogy in the previous discussion that compares the notable fact a city is within historical Indigenous territory to the trivial fact the same city has a garbage pickup schedule. It wreaks of xenophobia, intended or not. Hwy43 ( talk) 03:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
"Coquitlam is situated on the ancestral, traditional, and unceded territory of the Kwikwetlem First Nation (kʷikʷəƛ̓əm)."[a] [2] [3] Magnolia677 ( talk) 09:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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"Coquitlam is within the historical territory of the Kwikwetlem First Nation." refHwy43 ( talk) 02:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Both these editors have confused a "land acknowledgement" with "indigenous history".- SusanLesch ( talk) 16:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)