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Personally I see no point in thumbnailing the main image in this article. It makes more of a visual impact, and is not overly large. Does anyone strenuously object to reinstating the large image?
Peregrine981 13:40, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
23:08, 21 Apr 2004 -- Guest User: Corrected the spelling of Crown Prince Frederik (was misspelled as 'Fredrik') and added the proper link
What's the point in adding Copenhagen's name in German and Faroese? - Kaare 15:42, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I found out about Copenhagen's Chinatown from the Copenhagen Post - http://www.cphpost.dk/get/64197.html
However, I wasn't able to find much more information about Copenhagen's Chinatown beyond that newspaper article. How much has it grown? What are the streets? Any pictures?
Please make any additions or corrections to the existing Denmark section on Chinatowns in Europe as you see fit.
http://ibyen.dk/gadeplan/gadeplanguide/article473853.ece - Its in Danish, but itsa about the "Chinatown" youre denying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.255.119.1 ( talk) 13:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the namen derives from the German name, is that just a wild conjecture or is there any real evidence for that? It could just as well be Dutch: Kopenhagen. Better actually, because merchant is koopman not Kaufmann. Low German maybe, high German, eh, no, then there would be an f. Lautverschiebung and such af:Gebruiker:Jcwf
Jcwf is right. Since Low German was the lingua franca around the entire Baltic region in the Middle Ages (because of the Hanseatic League), the modern German name (from which the English one is obviously derived) most likely is Low German. -- dllu 11:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
...but note that the 3rd syllable is pronounced "hay" in English, not "hah".
Really? I've always pronounced that syllable with a "hah" sound. Funnyhat 04:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I say banana but you say banana. Potato - potato, tomato - tomato. Let's call the whole thing off.
Some say Copenhahgen and some say Copenhaygen - some of us say København.
I've lived here more than 20 years and have NEVER heard a Dane pronounce the English name in any way other than "Co-pen-HAY-gen." This is also the usage for all official mentions by the Danish government, SAS airlines, airport authority, etc. etc. "Co-pen-HAH-gen" is simply wrong, no matter how you might pronounce potato. AllanJ 15:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The problem is, as mentioned, that it is a general and unreferenced claim. It doesn't contribute anything to the article apart from making the intro very messy. I would like to see it go. Hestemand 10:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says " It is still difficult to pay with either nation's currency in the other country, with the exceptions of Copenhagen and Malmö, where it's possible to use either DKK or SEK in a growing number of shops, restaurants, etc."
However, I disagree fairly strenuously. In my experience it is virtually impossible to pay with DKK or SEK in the other country, except in the most touristy of places, and here you will still get a bad exchange rate. Peregrine981 14:42, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
You can pay with DKK in Sweden using 1:1, but in Copenhagen it's is easier to pay with euroes, and that is pretty hard. Carewolf 11:30, 13 November 2006
You use the term "Storkøbenhavn" (Greater Copenhagen) and translates it with "metropolitan Copenhagen". But actually there is no real definition of "Storkøbenhavn". But "Hovedstadsregionen" however is Copenhagen metropolitan area and a metropolitan area is not the same as an urban area. Also the population figure is wrong to reach a population of 1,116,979 citizens you would need to include all of Ballerup, Søllerød and Værløse municipalities but only parts of these are included in the urban area and the population of the urban area is 1,086,762 (2004). Danmarks Statistik use the term “hovedstadsområdet” for the urban area however often the term “hovedstadsområdet” is also a bit of a loose term as it is often defined the same way as “hovedstadsregionen” and that is as Copenhagen metropolitan area as I mentioned earlier. Danmarks Statistik’s definition of urban areas is stricter than e.g. the US definition of urban areas and cut off most of Copenhagen’s five “fingers”.
The table on the left is also wrong it says Copenhagen covers an area of 526 sq. km (528.26 according to Danmarks Statistik) but that's Copenhagen county and then you write the density of Copenhagen is 954/km² (but actually it’s 954.8 ~ 955) but to get that you need to divide the area of Copenhagen county (526 km²) with the population of Copenhagen municipality (502,204) and the population of Copenhagen municipality is 502,362 as of 2005 and 501,664 in 2004. I don't know where you get the number 502,204 from?
The population of Copenhagen municipality in 2004:
January 1st ................ 501,664
April 1st ..................... 502,012
July 1st ...................... 500,980
October 1st ................ 502,581
Copenhagen municipality is not even a part of Copenhagen county and you can't just divide the area of Copenhagen county with the population of Copenhagen municipality, it makes no sense at all? I see in the picture that Copenhagen county is marked with red and the population of Copenhagen county is 618,237 (2005) and it covers an area of 528.26 km².
So…
The density of Copenhagen municipality is 502,362/88.25 = 5,692.5.
The density of Copenhagen county is 618,237/528.26 =1,170.3
Also...the Øresund Region covers all of Zeland (not just the eastern part) Lolland-Falster and Bornholm and all of Scania (Skåne) county in Sweden. Otherwise you would not reach a population of 3.6 million.
Regards
Christian
For next update I propose to sum up the Københavns and Frederiksberg Kommune for the city population since Frederiksberg is fully enclosed by Københavns kommune. I also suspect the "urban" area should be Storkøbenhavn, and the metropolitan area the new Hovedstadsregion (Copenhagen Region). I am looking at various (semi)official numbers, and I think they translate the old HT region to the metropolitan area since most claim a population of 1.8million. So reducing it to the new smaller Copenhagen Region of 1.6m can't be completely wrong.
Carewolf 12:37, 15 November 2006
Originally, København, Frederiksberg and Gentofte minicipalities made the City area in the use of the election system. Thats the reason why Gentofte consists of two seperate election areas.
Maybe the thing to do is to make it up like Stockholm - a city, urban and metropolitan area. In this sense, it would be some 600.000, 1.211.000 and 2.100.000.
Niels.
I just want to point out that Copenhagen's metropolitan area is the same as Hovedstadsregionen (1.83M)
which consists of Copenhagen and Frederiksberg municipality and the counties of Copenhagen,
Frederiksborg and Roskilde NOT just Copenhagen, Frederiksberg and Copenhagen country.
Isn't that something you made up by yourself?
A metropolitan area is not just the urban area but it also consists of areas that are economic dependent on the central city. Danmarks Statistik does not use any definition for metropolitan areas but define them on abitrary county borders which is the case for Hovedstadsregionen.
However looking here: http://www.bvl.aau.dk/dansk/fase1/plancher/pendler_hreg.jpg you can see that based on the concept of at least 10% commuting into central parts of Copenhagen. Copenhagen metro areawould cover almost all of Zealand. My guess is that this area has about 2.2 million.
The urban area has 1,086,762 (2004) and the definition used by Danmarks Statistik for an urban area is:
"An urban area is defined as a built-up area with at least 200 inhabitants. In a built-up area the distance between the buildings is not more than 200 metres, unless the interruption is due to public facilities, parks, cemeteries, etc."
Also the term Storkøbenhavn (Greater Copenhagen) is a loose term that is not used statistics.
Christian
The population figures are getting fucked up again. The number that is currently stated as "Metropolitan Copenhagen" is infact the number of citizens in "Urban Copenhagen"; that is the international definition with distance between houses etc.. Also storkøbenhavn doesn't exist anymore and was neither equivalent to the Urban zone(which is smaller) nor the metropolitan area (which is larger). Carewolf 14:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Why do you spend so much text on theoretical definitions on the size of the town. The city has slightly more than 500.000 and the metropolitian about 1,1 million. That is all a reader need to know. One of many mid-size Europeans cities, and that is the charm of the place. The rest of the text need to be shortened considerably. Mark/ Toronto
For some reason the infobox was a template Template:Copenhagen infobox rather than directly part of the article. No other articles were using the template (it would not make sense, either), so I substed its content into the article and will momentarily request deletion of the template. For recordkeeping, the revision history of the template follows. Henning Makholm 00:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous editor, 212.10.163.153 added the following paragraph to the article:
Such arguments do not belong in the main article space, so I'm hereby moving it to talk. I also reverted the same editor's addition of "and in Scandinavia" to the intro paragraph. Given that the comparison is uncertain, I think the encyclopedically NPOV choice is to make no explicit claims about whether Copenhagen or Stockholm is larger. Henning Makholm 01:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Copenhagen IS the largest city of Scandinavia. Stockholm use almost 3 time as much area space, so they only slightly can claim they are larger populated. It's just a dirty PR trick.
Stockholm:
Copenhagen:
--Comanche cph 23:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey! Yes, this is first of all a cultural disagreement between Denmark and Sweden as well as "a dirty PR-trick" on Stockholm's part, and it's a mistake on wikipedia's part too. As Comache pointed out, Stockholm can NOT be concidered the largest city of Scandinavia, which the article on Stockholm sadly suggests taken from the blue and the fact that both cities counts population differently. Is wikipedia a forum for wrong information?/Arial
What do you mean by verifiable sources? you already have the numbers! If you look at population in and around copenhagen and stockholm at any radius Copenhagen is larger. If you look at population of the administrative areas Stockholm is larger. It is a matter of taste and bias how you interpret that. I can only point at sources who interpret those numbers differently than you: The official tourist organization of Copenhagen: http://www.visitcopenhagen.dk/enwonen/facts_about_copenhagen.asp The official commercial promotion organization: http://www.copcap.com/composite-2466.htm http://www.copcap.com/composite-2461.htm Other various others: http://www.hostelworld.com/sampleitindetail.php?SampleItinNO=74 http://www.explore-copenhagen.com/ http://copenhagenoverview.infogami.com/
The completely neutral think to say would be that Copenhagen is the center of the largest urban area in Scandinavia and Stockholm is the largest municipal in Scandinavia.
I don't know Arial, but it is only natural to go from here to Talk:Stockholm since you redirect us from here to there. And I did not participate in any edit war, and do not intend to. Carewolf 16:34 17/11 2006
I think user:Comanche cph has done a great job in finding these stats and bringing this to the end. Both here and on the Stockholm page. Remember that this started when some editors claimed that the Stockholm is largest city in the region. user:Comanche cph deserve a barnstar as that guard dog he is. -- 194.255.124.250 14:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Mark/Toronto
From this article, it sounds like there is nothing to do there unless you are lesbean or gay... kind of strange twist of understanding the word "culture".
I have found this
Copenhagen a little better. I do not see a direct connection between culture and sex orientation, in other words I really do not care about one sexual preferences and so do not consider them as cultural heritage. I am going to Scandinavia next week to see something new, straights, gays and lesbians I see everyday here, in Cambridge Massachusetts and could not care less about their private lives.
I think any culture is based on religion, I think one should have difficulties to understand any cultural artifact without knowledge of Bible (for Europe, at least) and history.
I do not consider cuisine, sports, gays, straights and lesbians as a cultural attributes of a geographic location.
I agree with Daen that it needs more information about theatres, opera houses, clubs, parks, museums, art galleries/collections, concert halls, architecture, sights and attractions. Not mentioning Tivoli Gardens, Copenhagen is a crime. -- Maitch 10:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm disappointed that such a great city doesn't have a better article. The culture of Copenhagen is so unique, I love the city for it's culture, architecture and overall feeling. Defenitively the capital city of Scandinavia. Greetings from Gothenburg! -- Krm500 22:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The culture section looks like something ripped straight out of a tourist leaflet. - JHL
I would like to suggest a new category for the capital cities of Scandinavia/the Nordic, including Copenhagen, Helsinki, Oslo, Reykjavik and Stockholm. (I've posted this message on the talk page for each city.) Comments, anyone? /M.O ( u) ( t) 15:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I would propose that the moderator of this page, improves the lay-out of the page. Comparing the Copenhagen-wiki with wikis of other capitols (Stockholm, Paris and even a city as Aarhus), I personally think it has somewhat of a boring appearance. Put in some more pictures of the city and its sights - especially aerial photos, photos from Strøget, the town hall square and perhaps of the mayor would be great. Furthermore give a more comprehensive description of the city's history, its importance for this part of Europe and its delevopment. A wiki about Copenhagen should of course not be a commercial, but it shoould be considered that many people from outside of Denmark get their first impression of the city, checking this Wiki.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.26.107 ( talk • contribs) 2006-11-25T17:08:12
where is this section? is anybody working in Copenhagen? ...
There seems to be a lot of editing in the notable natives sections. What is required to be counted as a native? I saw H.C. Andersen and Tycho Brahe being deleted because they were not born in Copenhagen, but is that a requirement. Because both have lived a significant part of their lives in Copenhagen. Should Karen Blixen be deleted too, because she was born north of Copenhagen and lived most of her life in Africa? Carewolf 14:20 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am reiterating my notification to you about the article March 2007 Denmark Riots. An anon is reverting this as "vandalism", though it is just a notification. -- Hojimachong talk 03:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
It would be interesting to see information on the climate. Personally, I was wondering how often it snows there. -- Beland 17:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The external links section in this article is huge. Can someone who knows the subject check and trim the list? See Wikipedia:External links for criteria. Rl 13:12, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Infofacts 10:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC) I would like to add an external link, http://www.copenhagen.se to this page. The website contains information about Copenhagen, Sights, Hotels, Culture etc etc. It is not a commercial site, i.e. the website and the Editorial Staff do not in anyway represent any other companys that are mentioned in some of the subpages. Yes, there are google-adwords on the page, but since it is a free services for all visitors this is reasonable. Some of the current external links refer to pages with a lot more ads on them (e.g. http://www.visitcopenhagen.com)
The site is in both Swedish and English. When I added the link the first time, I did not have an account here. After some weeks the link was removed by some other user. So I added it again, really without knowing the procedures you guys have for editing a site. Then 'Carewolf' removed my link, calling it 'linkspam' and warned me that he/she will permanently block me as a user on Wikipedia if I continued to add the link again.
So I would like to discuss the site here, instead of fighting a "revert war" with Carewolf. Please take a look at the website, http://www.copenhagen.se and leave your comments here. To Carewolf; Perhaps you are the main writer of the page about Copenhagen, and I really think it's a great article. I have read a lot about the guidlines for publishing on Wikipedia, e.g. adding new external links. The guidlines even state that adding an external link is to be considered a 'minor change' to a site, it could even be done without showing it in the history of the page's changes! This I have not done!
I think the link is suitable and meets the requirements, but I will discuss it here with Carewolf and everyone else interesting in this matter.
Historical population is excessive and not consistent with almost all city articles in Wikipedia. Michellecrisp 12:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I notice this article is rated as good article. I do not think it is as complete as other city articles as it:
see WP:WIAGA and compare to say: Sydney, London, Berlin. Michellecrisp 12:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I am bit sad to see that removed. While it might seem redundant compared to Berlin, Hamburg or south european cities, it is quite rare in north europe. Most other cities in Scandinavia or even the UK has specific closing hours, where it is impossible or very hard to find places to drink or go clubing after. In copenhagen all clubs are open to 5AM, the big ones to 9AM, and some to 12AM. This makes Copenhagen very unique in Scandinavia, and even unique compared to UK cities. I have met many foreigners coming to Copenhagen, just for the fact that it is a 24-hour party city. Carewolf 09:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, this page could benefit from a general facelift, when comparing it to other city-pages, or even the Copenhagen-page in German. Some panoramas, more pictures and some more elaborate information about the city would really give the page something extra. Of course, it shouldn't be a commercial, but the general impression at the present, is not very good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.47.138 ( talk) 09:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've created a new article dedicated to Copenhagen municipality. I hope to use it to clean up this article to be more about the city and less about the central municipality. Please go to Copenhagen municipality and help edit. Carewolf 13:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
To avoid future edit-wars, and be able to clean up the mess the current Population section. I would like to propose a consensus on population statistics.
First we have a number from Danmarks statestik which covers the Urban area of Copenhagen given the definition of no more than 200m between houses (currently called metropolitan in the article). This includes several municipalies from the old Copenhagen Country and some of them partially. I propose with use this definition minus the the partial municipalities so we have a definition we can use and verify ourselves. This currently means the municipalities of Copenhagen, Frederiksberg, Gentofte, Albertslund, Ballerup, Brøndby, Gladsaxe, Glostrup, Herlev, Hvidovre, Lyngby-Taarbæk and Rødovre.
Second we define the metropolitan area as Danmark statestik does, that is Copenhagen region - bornholm + east zealand (Solrød, Greve, Køge, Lejre and Roskilde).
Third we forbid any size comparisons with other cities or areas, unless there is a clear margin of at least 20%.
What does you think? Carewolf 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I like the location map with municipalities marked with red color, but Taarnby municipality with Copenhagen Airport (Kastrup Lufthavn) bordering the Municipality of Copenhagen to the southeast is surely missing the red color(and don´t forget to color the Saltholmisland(population in 2004:8) belonging to Taarnby .In its built-up highrise residential areas bordering Cop. municipality, this municipality is just as densely populated as Cph. muni., except of course Københavns/Kastrup lufthavn. Apart from that, I find this city-article has too little information and lacks excellent pictures(see German WP article with picturepanorama of Cph.) to be called excellent. Bornsommer 15:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I LOVE the maps that show the location of the city in the country, like the Swedish city articles have. It would be really nice to have it here. AThousandYoung ( talk) 07:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the text that Copenhagen is the center of Öresundsregionen and that Öresundsregionen would be the largest metro-area in Scandinavia. First of all: Öresundsregionen is not a metropolitan area. Second: Copenhagen is not the center of this area. There are two main cities in this region, namely Copenhagen and Malmö (on the Swedish side). Third: If (and only if) the Öresundsregionen would be considered as a metro-region, it would not be the largest metro-region in Scandinavia. If we would count in rural areas in that way, we would have to consider all areas which have many commuters to the Stockholm centre. This area is about as big as Öresund, and it is more metropolitan-prototypical since it has only one singel nucleus (hardly any people commute to Copenhagen from other parts of Skåne than from Malmö) So Copenhagen has influence only on the Danish side (and perhaps a little on Malmö) and Malmö has influence exclusively on the Swedish side. This means that Öresund has two nuclei. Nirro 16:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
(i.e commuting, economic influence etc.). You claim that Copenhagen is the center of a metropolitan area that include all of Skåne. I don't find any support for a view that all parts of Öresundsregionen could be defined as a metro region of Copenhagen since it lacks the vital metropolitan structures. The administrative definition of Öresundsregionen includes all of Skåne, Sealand, Mön, Lolland and Bornholm, this area has a population of 3,6 million. Carewolf, could you please provide us with solid and neutral sources confirming Öresundsregionen to be a metro area. If so, I am content.
I pointed out that Malmö is a Swedish city, otherwise it could possibly be confused as a Danish city. -- Red w 16:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I had a look at the Copenhagen article in danish, and notice they distinguish between "Region Hovedstaden" and "Hovedstadsregionen". Basically Capital Region is called "Region: Capital", and the old larger region is called Capital Region. That distinction is really hard to do in english. I just like to point out we have merger of two different terms when translating. Carewolf ( talk) 12:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to fix up the Reference listing and have looked over the edit page several times. can someone help? thanks Michellecrisp ( talk) 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Statistics Denmark list so-called landsdele (lands) in Denmark. According to this, the landsdel of København by (Copenhagen city) includes the municipalities of København, Dragør, Frederiksberg and Tårnby, with a total population of 656 582 (2008-01-01). There is also a landsdel called Københavns omegn (Copenhagen suburban) which includes the municipalities of Albertslund, Ballerup, Brøndby, Gentofte, Gladsaxe, Glostrup, Herlev, Hvidovre, Høje-Taastrup, Ishøj, Lyngby-Taarbæk, Rødovre and Vallensbæk, and with a total population of 504 481 (2008-01-01). This gives a total population of 1 161 063 (2008-01-01) for Copenhagen city + suburbs. Statistical summaries can be found here. The definitions of landsdele in Denmark can be found here (excel-file). It seems that a landsdel is mainly a statistical definition, without administrative purposes. Statistics Denmark write (roughly translated): "To meet statistical needs it has been necessary to divide the regions further. This has been done in so-called landsdele."
What do you people think, can this be used to settle the question about the definition of the city and metropolitan area, or does it just make it even more complicated? -- Pjred ( talk) 17:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
This page, in its very opening paragraph, needs to state that this page is about the conurbation or urban area that is Copenhagen, as opposed to the municipality/administrative division that is Copenhagen. Most pages about cities are about their central administrative area, this seems to be about the entire urban/metropolitan area. In this case, it really needs to be clearly stated. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 07:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The facts says the following about population and density:
Population: Municipality: 509,861 City: 1,145,804 Metropolitan area (Central Oresund Region): 2,812,977
Density (/km2) City: 5777 Metropolitan area: 1947 Region: 812 Region+: 686
-The population of the municipality is correct.
-The population figure of the city corresponds to the Copenhagen Urban area (according to Statistics Denmark DST. Byområde = Urban area = Hovedstadsområdet). The term city is more or less equivalent to the municipality. Sometimes the neighbouring municipalities Fredriksberg municipality and Gentofte municipality is included.
-The population of the metropolitan area is very exact, but with no citations at all. Adding Copenhagen and Malmö (on the Swedish side) metropolitan areas would make up a total of about 2.440.000 people. (Former Hovedstadsregionen + Metropolitan Malmö) It is clear that the Helsingborg (Swedish city) area has been added to the figure. The problem is that Helsingborg has no official metropolitan area. As far as I know there is no official metropolitan area of the Oresund at all. The total Oresund region has around 3,6 million and the density is around 170 /km2 (many parts are very rural both on the Swedsih and the Danish sides).
-The density figures of the City corresponds to that of the municipality.
-I am not totally sure about the metropolitan area density figures, but I think they correspond to that of the Storkøbenhavn area. This is not equal to the metropolitan area, but much smaller i size. It is rather close to the urban area, but includes whole municipalities and not only settlements. The density in the metropolitan area is not even close to this figure and adding Swedish parts the the metropolitan area makes it further lower.
-There are two region density figures: "Region" and "Region+". I am not sure about this but I think that the "Region+" is the same as the former administrativ region (Hovedstadsregionen) which, if you ask me, should be the metropolitan area. However, this region ceased to exist in 2007. The now existing region is called Region Hovedstaden. It contains Central Copenhagen, the north-eastern parts of Sealand, but and also the island of Bornholm. It is possible that the figure "Region" is the same as Region Hovedstaden minus Bornholm.
However, the population figures and density figures are not compatible and should be changed. I suggest the same terminology as is used on Danish wiki.
-- Kaare Dybvad ( talk) 17:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The comparison with Hamburg is intresting. The metroarea has some 3 miljon. Hamburg is a more densely populated metroarea. The comparison with Copenhagen and Stockholm is not really applicable. Copenhagen metro is for sure almost as large as Stockholm today, but on a much smaller area. You cannot say that if Stockholm metro has same 6500 km2, Copenhagen metro must have the same area. This must instead be based on the factors as influencial areas and commuter patterna. Since the 50s Copenhagen has not grown a lot (if you compare to Stockholm). Are there any avidence that the rural areas of Sealand (i.e north of Elsingor, Ringsted, Slagelse, Kalundborg) can be considered as real satellites/suburbs to Copenhagen? Are there any official sources claiming that? Nirro ( talk) 15:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
-- Kaare Dybvad ( talk) 13:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Nirro
I just found the historical figures, but they are quite different. If you count by statistics Denmark, Copenhagen went from 1.292.647 in 1976 to some 1.153.000 people. These numbers are a result of a strange method, leaving out central suburbs(Taastrup, Hørsholm, Birkerød, Dragør, Farum and others). According to this report [10], written by the Danish domestic ministry, Copenhagen has had the following numbers:
In the latter figures, Copenhagen has a rise of around 210 % since 1950.
In addition to the map provided in my former post, heres a link for commuter-numbers across Øresund [11]. I dont know how many of Malmös some 258.000 inhabitants who has a job, but the 14.000 makes it close to the 10 % which is considered the borders of a metropolitan area.
In todays Copenhagen, Malmö is becoming more and more of a suburb. In real estate Malmö is named "København M", every year even more Swedish students are attending the universities in Copenhagen, and at information screens, Swedish is almost as commen as English. But Malmö is never going to be part of the same metropolitan-area as Copenhagen as long as the cities are situated in two different countries. Of course it dosnt make sense to count Malmö in the urban area, but I think it would be strange to ignore the fact that the cities in the area has a high level of coorporation and functional integration -- Kaare Dybvad ( talk) 17:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
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Personally I see no point in thumbnailing the main image in this article. It makes more of a visual impact, and is not overly large. Does anyone strenuously object to reinstating the large image?
Peregrine981 13:40, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
23:08, 21 Apr 2004 -- Guest User: Corrected the spelling of Crown Prince Frederik (was misspelled as 'Fredrik') and added the proper link
What's the point in adding Copenhagen's name in German and Faroese? - Kaare 15:42, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I found out about Copenhagen's Chinatown from the Copenhagen Post - http://www.cphpost.dk/get/64197.html
However, I wasn't able to find much more information about Copenhagen's Chinatown beyond that newspaper article. How much has it grown? What are the streets? Any pictures?
Please make any additions or corrections to the existing Denmark section on Chinatowns in Europe as you see fit.
http://ibyen.dk/gadeplan/gadeplanguide/article473853.ece - Its in Danish, but itsa about the "Chinatown" youre denying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.255.119.1 ( talk) 13:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the namen derives from the German name, is that just a wild conjecture or is there any real evidence for that? It could just as well be Dutch: Kopenhagen. Better actually, because merchant is koopman not Kaufmann. Low German maybe, high German, eh, no, then there would be an f. Lautverschiebung and such af:Gebruiker:Jcwf
Jcwf is right. Since Low German was the lingua franca around the entire Baltic region in the Middle Ages (because of the Hanseatic League), the modern German name (from which the English one is obviously derived) most likely is Low German. -- dllu 11:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
...but note that the 3rd syllable is pronounced "hay" in English, not "hah".
Really? I've always pronounced that syllable with a "hah" sound. Funnyhat 04:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I say banana but you say banana. Potato - potato, tomato - tomato. Let's call the whole thing off.
Some say Copenhahgen and some say Copenhaygen - some of us say København.
I've lived here more than 20 years and have NEVER heard a Dane pronounce the English name in any way other than "Co-pen-HAY-gen." This is also the usage for all official mentions by the Danish government, SAS airlines, airport authority, etc. etc. "Co-pen-HAH-gen" is simply wrong, no matter how you might pronounce potato. AllanJ 15:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The problem is, as mentioned, that it is a general and unreferenced claim. It doesn't contribute anything to the article apart from making the intro very messy. I would like to see it go. Hestemand 10:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says " It is still difficult to pay with either nation's currency in the other country, with the exceptions of Copenhagen and Malmö, where it's possible to use either DKK or SEK in a growing number of shops, restaurants, etc."
However, I disagree fairly strenuously. In my experience it is virtually impossible to pay with DKK or SEK in the other country, except in the most touristy of places, and here you will still get a bad exchange rate. Peregrine981 14:42, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
You can pay with DKK in Sweden using 1:1, but in Copenhagen it's is easier to pay with euroes, and that is pretty hard. Carewolf 11:30, 13 November 2006
You use the term "Storkøbenhavn" (Greater Copenhagen) and translates it with "metropolitan Copenhagen". But actually there is no real definition of "Storkøbenhavn". But "Hovedstadsregionen" however is Copenhagen metropolitan area and a metropolitan area is not the same as an urban area. Also the population figure is wrong to reach a population of 1,116,979 citizens you would need to include all of Ballerup, Søllerød and Værløse municipalities but only parts of these are included in the urban area and the population of the urban area is 1,086,762 (2004). Danmarks Statistik use the term “hovedstadsområdet” for the urban area however often the term “hovedstadsområdet” is also a bit of a loose term as it is often defined the same way as “hovedstadsregionen” and that is as Copenhagen metropolitan area as I mentioned earlier. Danmarks Statistik’s definition of urban areas is stricter than e.g. the US definition of urban areas and cut off most of Copenhagen’s five “fingers”.
The table on the left is also wrong it says Copenhagen covers an area of 526 sq. km (528.26 according to Danmarks Statistik) but that's Copenhagen county and then you write the density of Copenhagen is 954/km² (but actually it’s 954.8 ~ 955) but to get that you need to divide the area of Copenhagen county (526 km²) with the population of Copenhagen municipality (502,204) and the population of Copenhagen municipality is 502,362 as of 2005 and 501,664 in 2004. I don't know where you get the number 502,204 from?
The population of Copenhagen municipality in 2004:
January 1st ................ 501,664
April 1st ..................... 502,012
July 1st ...................... 500,980
October 1st ................ 502,581
Copenhagen municipality is not even a part of Copenhagen county and you can't just divide the area of Copenhagen county with the population of Copenhagen municipality, it makes no sense at all? I see in the picture that Copenhagen county is marked with red and the population of Copenhagen county is 618,237 (2005) and it covers an area of 528.26 km².
So…
The density of Copenhagen municipality is 502,362/88.25 = 5,692.5.
The density of Copenhagen county is 618,237/528.26 =1,170.3
Also...the Øresund Region covers all of Zeland (not just the eastern part) Lolland-Falster and Bornholm and all of Scania (Skåne) county in Sweden. Otherwise you would not reach a population of 3.6 million.
Regards
Christian
For next update I propose to sum up the Københavns and Frederiksberg Kommune for the city population since Frederiksberg is fully enclosed by Københavns kommune. I also suspect the "urban" area should be Storkøbenhavn, and the metropolitan area the new Hovedstadsregion (Copenhagen Region). I am looking at various (semi)official numbers, and I think they translate the old HT region to the metropolitan area since most claim a population of 1.8million. So reducing it to the new smaller Copenhagen Region of 1.6m can't be completely wrong.
Carewolf 12:37, 15 November 2006
Originally, København, Frederiksberg and Gentofte minicipalities made the City area in the use of the election system. Thats the reason why Gentofte consists of two seperate election areas.
Maybe the thing to do is to make it up like Stockholm - a city, urban and metropolitan area. In this sense, it would be some 600.000, 1.211.000 and 2.100.000.
Niels.
I just want to point out that Copenhagen's metropolitan area is the same as Hovedstadsregionen (1.83M)
which consists of Copenhagen and Frederiksberg municipality and the counties of Copenhagen,
Frederiksborg and Roskilde NOT just Copenhagen, Frederiksberg and Copenhagen country.
Isn't that something you made up by yourself?
A metropolitan area is not just the urban area but it also consists of areas that are economic dependent on the central city. Danmarks Statistik does not use any definition for metropolitan areas but define them on abitrary county borders which is the case for Hovedstadsregionen.
However looking here: http://www.bvl.aau.dk/dansk/fase1/plancher/pendler_hreg.jpg you can see that based on the concept of at least 10% commuting into central parts of Copenhagen. Copenhagen metro areawould cover almost all of Zealand. My guess is that this area has about 2.2 million.
The urban area has 1,086,762 (2004) and the definition used by Danmarks Statistik for an urban area is:
"An urban area is defined as a built-up area with at least 200 inhabitants. In a built-up area the distance between the buildings is not more than 200 metres, unless the interruption is due to public facilities, parks, cemeteries, etc."
Also the term Storkøbenhavn (Greater Copenhagen) is a loose term that is not used statistics.
Christian
The population figures are getting fucked up again. The number that is currently stated as "Metropolitan Copenhagen" is infact the number of citizens in "Urban Copenhagen"; that is the international definition with distance between houses etc.. Also storkøbenhavn doesn't exist anymore and was neither equivalent to the Urban zone(which is smaller) nor the metropolitan area (which is larger). Carewolf 14:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Why do you spend so much text on theoretical definitions on the size of the town. The city has slightly more than 500.000 and the metropolitian about 1,1 million. That is all a reader need to know. One of many mid-size Europeans cities, and that is the charm of the place. The rest of the text need to be shortened considerably. Mark/ Toronto
For some reason the infobox was a template Template:Copenhagen infobox rather than directly part of the article. No other articles were using the template (it would not make sense, either), so I substed its content into the article and will momentarily request deletion of the template. For recordkeeping, the revision history of the template follows. Henning Makholm 00:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous editor, 212.10.163.153 added the following paragraph to the article:
Such arguments do not belong in the main article space, so I'm hereby moving it to talk. I also reverted the same editor's addition of "and in Scandinavia" to the intro paragraph. Given that the comparison is uncertain, I think the encyclopedically NPOV choice is to make no explicit claims about whether Copenhagen or Stockholm is larger. Henning Makholm 01:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Copenhagen IS the largest city of Scandinavia. Stockholm use almost 3 time as much area space, so they only slightly can claim they are larger populated. It's just a dirty PR trick.
Stockholm:
Copenhagen:
--Comanche cph 23:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey! Yes, this is first of all a cultural disagreement between Denmark and Sweden as well as "a dirty PR-trick" on Stockholm's part, and it's a mistake on wikipedia's part too. As Comache pointed out, Stockholm can NOT be concidered the largest city of Scandinavia, which the article on Stockholm sadly suggests taken from the blue and the fact that both cities counts population differently. Is wikipedia a forum for wrong information?/Arial
What do you mean by verifiable sources? you already have the numbers! If you look at population in and around copenhagen and stockholm at any radius Copenhagen is larger. If you look at population of the administrative areas Stockholm is larger. It is a matter of taste and bias how you interpret that. I can only point at sources who interpret those numbers differently than you: The official tourist organization of Copenhagen: http://www.visitcopenhagen.dk/enwonen/facts_about_copenhagen.asp The official commercial promotion organization: http://www.copcap.com/composite-2466.htm http://www.copcap.com/composite-2461.htm Other various others: http://www.hostelworld.com/sampleitindetail.php?SampleItinNO=74 http://www.explore-copenhagen.com/ http://copenhagenoverview.infogami.com/
The completely neutral think to say would be that Copenhagen is the center of the largest urban area in Scandinavia and Stockholm is the largest municipal in Scandinavia.
I don't know Arial, but it is only natural to go from here to Talk:Stockholm since you redirect us from here to there. And I did not participate in any edit war, and do not intend to. Carewolf 16:34 17/11 2006
I think user:Comanche cph has done a great job in finding these stats and bringing this to the end. Both here and on the Stockholm page. Remember that this started when some editors claimed that the Stockholm is largest city in the region. user:Comanche cph deserve a barnstar as that guard dog he is. -- 194.255.124.250 14:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Mark/Toronto
From this article, it sounds like there is nothing to do there unless you are lesbean or gay... kind of strange twist of understanding the word "culture".
I have found this
Copenhagen a little better. I do not see a direct connection between culture and sex orientation, in other words I really do not care about one sexual preferences and so do not consider them as cultural heritage. I am going to Scandinavia next week to see something new, straights, gays and lesbians I see everyday here, in Cambridge Massachusetts and could not care less about their private lives.
I think any culture is based on religion, I think one should have difficulties to understand any cultural artifact without knowledge of Bible (for Europe, at least) and history.
I do not consider cuisine, sports, gays, straights and lesbians as a cultural attributes of a geographic location.
I agree with Daen that it needs more information about theatres, opera houses, clubs, parks, museums, art galleries/collections, concert halls, architecture, sights and attractions. Not mentioning Tivoli Gardens, Copenhagen is a crime. -- Maitch 10:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm disappointed that such a great city doesn't have a better article. The culture of Copenhagen is so unique, I love the city for it's culture, architecture and overall feeling. Defenitively the capital city of Scandinavia. Greetings from Gothenburg! -- Krm500 22:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The culture section looks like something ripped straight out of a tourist leaflet. - JHL
I would like to suggest a new category for the capital cities of Scandinavia/the Nordic, including Copenhagen, Helsinki, Oslo, Reykjavik and Stockholm. (I've posted this message on the talk page for each city.) Comments, anyone? /M.O ( u) ( t) 15:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I would propose that the moderator of this page, improves the lay-out of the page. Comparing the Copenhagen-wiki with wikis of other capitols (Stockholm, Paris and even a city as Aarhus), I personally think it has somewhat of a boring appearance. Put in some more pictures of the city and its sights - especially aerial photos, photos from Strøget, the town hall square and perhaps of the mayor would be great. Furthermore give a more comprehensive description of the city's history, its importance for this part of Europe and its delevopment. A wiki about Copenhagen should of course not be a commercial, but it shoould be considered that many people from outside of Denmark get their first impression of the city, checking this Wiki.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.26.107 ( talk • contribs) 2006-11-25T17:08:12
where is this section? is anybody working in Copenhagen? ...
There seems to be a lot of editing in the notable natives sections. What is required to be counted as a native? I saw H.C. Andersen and Tycho Brahe being deleted because they were not born in Copenhagen, but is that a requirement. Because both have lived a significant part of their lives in Copenhagen. Should Karen Blixen be deleted too, because she was born north of Copenhagen and lived most of her life in Africa? Carewolf 14:20 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am reiterating my notification to you about the article March 2007 Denmark Riots. An anon is reverting this as "vandalism", though it is just a notification. -- Hojimachong talk 03:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
It would be interesting to see information on the climate. Personally, I was wondering how often it snows there. -- Beland 17:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The external links section in this article is huge. Can someone who knows the subject check and trim the list? See Wikipedia:External links for criteria. Rl 13:12, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Infofacts 10:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC) I would like to add an external link, http://www.copenhagen.se to this page. The website contains information about Copenhagen, Sights, Hotels, Culture etc etc. It is not a commercial site, i.e. the website and the Editorial Staff do not in anyway represent any other companys that are mentioned in some of the subpages. Yes, there are google-adwords on the page, but since it is a free services for all visitors this is reasonable. Some of the current external links refer to pages with a lot more ads on them (e.g. http://www.visitcopenhagen.com)
The site is in both Swedish and English. When I added the link the first time, I did not have an account here. After some weeks the link was removed by some other user. So I added it again, really without knowing the procedures you guys have for editing a site. Then 'Carewolf' removed my link, calling it 'linkspam' and warned me that he/she will permanently block me as a user on Wikipedia if I continued to add the link again.
So I would like to discuss the site here, instead of fighting a "revert war" with Carewolf. Please take a look at the website, http://www.copenhagen.se and leave your comments here. To Carewolf; Perhaps you are the main writer of the page about Copenhagen, and I really think it's a great article. I have read a lot about the guidlines for publishing on Wikipedia, e.g. adding new external links. The guidlines even state that adding an external link is to be considered a 'minor change' to a site, it could even be done without showing it in the history of the page's changes! This I have not done!
I think the link is suitable and meets the requirements, but I will discuss it here with Carewolf and everyone else interesting in this matter.
Historical population is excessive and not consistent with almost all city articles in Wikipedia. Michellecrisp 12:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I notice this article is rated as good article. I do not think it is as complete as other city articles as it:
see WP:WIAGA and compare to say: Sydney, London, Berlin. Michellecrisp 12:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I am bit sad to see that removed. While it might seem redundant compared to Berlin, Hamburg or south european cities, it is quite rare in north europe. Most other cities in Scandinavia or even the UK has specific closing hours, where it is impossible or very hard to find places to drink or go clubing after. In copenhagen all clubs are open to 5AM, the big ones to 9AM, and some to 12AM. This makes Copenhagen very unique in Scandinavia, and even unique compared to UK cities. I have met many foreigners coming to Copenhagen, just for the fact that it is a 24-hour party city. Carewolf 09:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, this page could benefit from a general facelift, when comparing it to other city-pages, or even the Copenhagen-page in German. Some panoramas, more pictures and some more elaborate information about the city would really give the page something extra. Of course, it shouldn't be a commercial, but the general impression at the present, is not very good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.47.138 ( talk) 09:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've created a new article dedicated to Copenhagen municipality. I hope to use it to clean up this article to be more about the city and less about the central municipality. Please go to Copenhagen municipality and help edit. Carewolf 13:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
To avoid future edit-wars, and be able to clean up the mess the current Population section. I would like to propose a consensus on population statistics.
First we have a number from Danmarks statestik which covers the Urban area of Copenhagen given the definition of no more than 200m between houses (currently called metropolitan in the article). This includes several municipalies from the old Copenhagen Country and some of them partially. I propose with use this definition minus the the partial municipalities so we have a definition we can use and verify ourselves. This currently means the municipalities of Copenhagen, Frederiksberg, Gentofte, Albertslund, Ballerup, Brøndby, Gladsaxe, Glostrup, Herlev, Hvidovre, Lyngby-Taarbæk and Rødovre.
Second we define the metropolitan area as Danmark statestik does, that is Copenhagen region - bornholm + east zealand (Solrød, Greve, Køge, Lejre and Roskilde).
Third we forbid any size comparisons with other cities or areas, unless there is a clear margin of at least 20%.
What does you think? Carewolf 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I like the location map with municipalities marked with red color, but Taarnby municipality with Copenhagen Airport (Kastrup Lufthavn) bordering the Municipality of Copenhagen to the southeast is surely missing the red color(and don´t forget to color the Saltholmisland(population in 2004:8) belonging to Taarnby .In its built-up highrise residential areas bordering Cop. municipality, this municipality is just as densely populated as Cph. muni., except of course Københavns/Kastrup lufthavn. Apart from that, I find this city-article has too little information and lacks excellent pictures(see German WP article with picturepanorama of Cph.) to be called excellent. Bornsommer 15:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I LOVE the maps that show the location of the city in the country, like the Swedish city articles have. It would be really nice to have it here. AThousandYoung ( talk) 07:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the text that Copenhagen is the center of Öresundsregionen and that Öresundsregionen would be the largest metro-area in Scandinavia. First of all: Öresundsregionen is not a metropolitan area. Second: Copenhagen is not the center of this area. There are two main cities in this region, namely Copenhagen and Malmö (on the Swedish side). Third: If (and only if) the Öresundsregionen would be considered as a metro-region, it would not be the largest metro-region in Scandinavia. If we would count in rural areas in that way, we would have to consider all areas which have many commuters to the Stockholm centre. This area is about as big as Öresund, and it is more metropolitan-prototypical since it has only one singel nucleus (hardly any people commute to Copenhagen from other parts of Skåne than from Malmö) So Copenhagen has influence only on the Danish side (and perhaps a little on Malmö) and Malmö has influence exclusively on the Swedish side. This means that Öresund has two nuclei. Nirro 16:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
(i.e commuting, economic influence etc.). You claim that Copenhagen is the center of a metropolitan area that include all of Skåne. I don't find any support for a view that all parts of Öresundsregionen could be defined as a metro region of Copenhagen since it lacks the vital metropolitan structures. The administrative definition of Öresundsregionen includes all of Skåne, Sealand, Mön, Lolland and Bornholm, this area has a population of 3,6 million. Carewolf, could you please provide us with solid and neutral sources confirming Öresundsregionen to be a metro area. If so, I am content.
I pointed out that Malmö is a Swedish city, otherwise it could possibly be confused as a Danish city. -- Red w 16:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I had a look at the Copenhagen article in danish, and notice they distinguish between "Region Hovedstaden" and "Hovedstadsregionen". Basically Capital Region is called "Region: Capital", and the old larger region is called Capital Region. That distinction is really hard to do in english. I just like to point out we have merger of two different terms when translating. Carewolf ( talk) 12:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to fix up the Reference listing and have looked over the edit page several times. can someone help? thanks Michellecrisp ( talk) 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Statistics Denmark list so-called landsdele (lands) in Denmark. According to this, the landsdel of København by (Copenhagen city) includes the municipalities of København, Dragør, Frederiksberg and Tårnby, with a total population of 656 582 (2008-01-01). There is also a landsdel called Københavns omegn (Copenhagen suburban) which includes the municipalities of Albertslund, Ballerup, Brøndby, Gentofte, Gladsaxe, Glostrup, Herlev, Hvidovre, Høje-Taastrup, Ishøj, Lyngby-Taarbæk, Rødovre and Vallensbæk, and with a total population of 504 481 (2008-01-01). This gives a total population of 1 161 063 (2008-01-01) for Copenhagen city + suburbs. Statistical summaries can be found here. The definitions of landsdele in Denmark can be found here (excel-file). It seems that a landsdel is mainly a statistical definition, without administrative purposes. Statistics Denmark write (roughly translated): "To meet statistical needs it has been necessary to divide the regions further. This has been done in so-called landsdele."
What do you people think, can this be used to settle the question about the definition of the city and metropolitan area, or does it just make it even more complicated? -- Pjred ( talk) 17:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
This page, in its very opening paragraph, needs to state that this page is about the conurbation or urban area that is Copenhagen, as opposed to the municipality/administrative division that is Copenhagen. Most pages about cities are about their central administrative area, this seems to be about the entire urban/metropolitan area. In this case, it really needs to be clearly stated. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 07:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The facts says the following about population and density:
Population: Municipality: 509,861 City: 1,145,804 Metropolitan area (Central Oresund Region): 2,812,977
Density (/km2) City: 5777 Metropolitan area: 1947 Region: 812 Region+: 686
-The population of the municipality is correct.
-The population figure of the city corresponds to the Copenhagen Urban area (according to Statistics Denmark DST. Byområde = Urban area = Hovedstadsområdet). The term city is more or less equivalent to the municipality. Sometimes the neighbouring municipalities Fredriksberg municipality and Gentofte municipality is included.
-The population of the metropolitan area is very exact, but with no citations at all. Adding Copenhagen and Malmö (on the Swedish side) metropolitan areas would make up a total of about 2.440.000 people. (Former Hovedstadsregionen + Metropolitan Malmö) It is clear that the Helsingborg (Swedish city) area has been added to the figure. The problem is that Helsingborg has no official metropolitan area. As far as I know there is no official metropolitan area of the Oresund at all. The total Oresund region has around 3,6 million and the density is around 170 /km2 (many parts are very rural both on the Swedsih and the Danish sides).
-The density figures of the City corresponds to that of the municipality.
-I am not totally sure about the metropolitan area density figures, but I think they correspond to that of the Storkøbenhavn area. This is not equal to the metropolitan area, but much smaller i size. It is rather close to the urban area, but includes whole municipalities and not only settlements. The density in the metropolitan area is not even close to this figure and adding Swedish parts the the metropolitan area makes it further lower.
-There are two region density figures: "Region" and "Region+". I am not sure about this but I think that the "Region+" is the same as the former administrativ region (Hovedstadsregionen) which, if you ask me, should be the metropolitan area. However, this region ceased to exist in 2007. The now existing region is called Region Hovedstaden. It contains Central Copenhagen, the north-eastern parts of Sealand, but and also the island of Bornholm. It is possible that the figure "Region" is the same as Region Hovedstaden minus Bornholm.
However, the population figures and density figures are not compatible and should be changed. I suggest the same terminology as is used on Danish wiki.
-- Kaare Dybvad ( talk) 17:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The comparison with Hamburg is intresting. The metroarea has some 3 miljon. Hamburg is a more densely populated metroarea. The comparison with Copenhagen and Stockholm is not really applicable. Copenhagen metro is for sure almost as large as Stockholm today, but on a much smaller area. You cannot say that if Stockholm metro has same 6500 km2, Copenhagen metro must have the same area. This must instead be based on the factors as influencial areas and commuter patterna. Since the 50s Copenhagen has not grown a lot (if you compare to Stockholm). Are there any avidence that the rural areas of Sealand (i.e north of Elsingor, Ringsted, Slagelse, Kalundborg) can be considered as real satellites/suburbs to Copenhagen? Are there any official sources claiming that? Nirro ( talk) 15:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
-- Kaare Dybvad ( talk) 13:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Nirro
I just found the historical figures, but they are quite different. If you count by statistics Denmark, Copenhagen went from 1.292.647 in 1976 to some 1.153.000 people. These numbers are a result of a strange method, leaving out central suburbs(Taastrup, Hørsholm, Birkerød, Dragør, Farum and others). According to this report [10], written by the Danish domestic ministry, Copenhagen has had the following numbers:
In the latter figures, Copenhagen has a rise of around 210 % since 1950.
In addition to the map provided in my former post, heres a link for commuter-numbers across Øresund [11]. I dont know how many of Malmös some 258.000 inhabitants who has a job, but the 14.000 makes it close to the 10 % which is considered the borders of a metropolitan area.
In todays Copenhagen, Malmö is becoming more and more of a suburb. In real estate Malmö is named "København M", every year even more Swedish students are attending the universities in Copenhagen, and at information screens, Swedish is almost as commen as English. But Malmö is never going to be part of the same metropolitan-area as Copenhagen as long as the cities are situated in two different countries. Of course it dosnt make sense to count Malmö in the urban area, but I think it would be strange to ignore the fact that the cities in the area has a high level of coorporation and functional integration -- Kaare Dybvad ( talk) 17:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)