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"Pasion libertadores" section on cultural impact looks simply like a sef promotion rather then actually informing something about the tournament. Someone founded a website about a topic that seems very normal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.171.102.228 ( talk) 14:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
This article needs a good coverage such as the world cup, Copa America, UEFA Champions League, etc. articles. I'll start with it shortly. - SpiceMan 12:00, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm brazilian and my country didn't have a war to be independent.We were colony of Portugal then D. Pedro I payed money to Portugal ,so we got independent. After the independence we had 2 Emperors that went to Europe in the end of their lifes.The text is wrong. EDIT: Brazilian War of Independence. Augusto Fontes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.53.160.122 ( talk) 21:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I think this article would be much more complete if it has details for every edition of the cup like the UEFA Champions League article. I noticed that some editions like the 2005, 1997 and 1994 have a Details article but they are incomplete or they need to be cleaned up. I know that creating a Details article for every year of the Libertadores might take a long time, but if enough people are interested in helping, it will make the Copa Libertadores article complete. - Bruno18 16:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I did use RSSSF to make the 1990 and 2002 articles. The only problem is that it takes too long, especially in the recent years where 32 teams participate (more teams=more games=longer articles ;) ). Like you said, a bot would be perfect but I have no idea on how to use/create one. Bruno18 14:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have spent a lot of time making the results look much better then before. You are welcome Gethomas3 05:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
An anon user changed:
with
I couldn't find references for neither year; anyone had better luck? Mariano( t/ c) 07:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
What should we do then? Set back 1979? I didn't find any refenrece to 1979 either, and don't know who wrote it. Mariano( t/ c) 06:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Another question:
Why is River Plate's runners up position from 1948 part of the list of former winners, but Vasco da Gama's victory is not?! — Preceding
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I've been absent from this page for a while but I now see that the teams' crests where changed by the country's flag. The teams don't represent their countries in this competition, they represent themselves. The country of origin only matters when providing a quota to that league's teams. We should change back to the teams' crests, since that would be the correct interpretation. Ideas? Opinions? If no comments/opposition appears I'll change them in a few days.
Sebastian Kessel Talk 23:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
PS. If anyone was following this, several users agreed that the logos are on a fair use, and are not essential to the article, and so cannot be used under the fair use policy. Philc T E C I 19:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be better to change the name of this section? IMO it is a bit misleading as the table only shows the results for the finals, not for every game of the Copa as the title seems to suggest. Also, I think it would be better to "flip" the table and show the last champion first (in other words, go in descending order from 2006 to 1960). Let me know what you think. Bruno18 20:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed the title to "Past tournaments". IMO it suits the article better but if you don't like it feel free to change it. Bruno18 17:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe it's appropiate to have both Sao Paulo and Internacional in the "Past Results" table as one column is for the runner-up and the other one for the champion (the leftmost column in this case). Having Sao Paulo in that leftmost column can confuse people who are looking at the article and are not familiar with football or the Libertadores, making them believe that Sao Paulo is the 2006 champion. We should only add the teams once the finals are complete. After all, this is an encyclopedia and the main objective should be to inform people but not confuse them.
I'm also against declaring Brazil as having 13 championships before the finals are played. Yeah, I know that this is an all-Brazilian final and that the champion will eventually be from that country but there's always a remote chance that something might happen.
So in conclusion, I'll go ahead and revert the changes made by that anom user and if somebody disagrees and wants the article the way it was PLEASE discuss it here and at least give at good reason of why you want the article that way. Peace. Bruno18 14:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, it looks like it doesn't matter. Anom users from Brazil keep changing the article and I'm not willing to play an edit war so I'll leave the article as it is. Bruno18 17:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
In Brazil, it's Copa Libertadores da América and not Taça Libertadores da América. People can check this at Portuguese Wikipedia [1].
In English the people always refer to this championship as Copa Libertadores. Libertators of America, as it's written in this article is a an useless and non-official translation. -- 201.37.187.220 02:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The original and complete name of the tournament is "Copa Libertadores de América". Copa Libertadores is just the "short name" for the tournament and the user that made the change didn't even specify the reason. I think the article should be moved back to the complete name. Bruno18 16:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Can some one explain, how was mexico added to a south american cup?, the article doesn't explain.
richer than which country? i can think of at least 4 or 5 countries in southamerica with higher incomes and higher quality of life... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.80.164.11 ( talk) 16:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
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What kind of translation is this? This is an odd and unofficial translation which is not adopted by any kind of press. Even English-speaking countries call this competition "Copa Libertadores". I'll remove this statemant of the article. Sometime ago people wrote "Libertators of America Cup" and now "America's Libertators Cup". What would be the next weird translation? "Cup Libertators of America"??? C'mon people!!! There's no english translation and period! -- 201.82.130.253 ( talk) 20:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The official name of Copa Santander Libertadores does not redirect to the Copa Libertadores page - I think it should, considering that the article initially refers to the competition as the Copa Santander Libertadores.
Hi, I've noticed the way the knock-out matches appear in almost all the articles of each edition is quite misleading on home and away matches. It's quite confusing because the team seeded first is not always the one who played at home first, but it seems like that by the way it looks it the articles. I think it should be fixed up. Ipsumesse ( talk) 06:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Under the section Media coverage, only media in UK and Australia are listed, giving a wrong preception that the tournament is only covered in these two regions. I think this section is strongly insufficient concnerning its information, and even does not have value of existence if the there is not further data available.
So, does anyone know whether there is a list of media coverage which is more complete? Or should I start a separate article like List of UEFA Champions League broadcasters, so that people can add information concerning their own countries? Salt ( talk) 15:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
From the article:
The winners of the Copa Libertadores have gone on to win more world club championships than any other FIFA confederation. They have also won three out of the first four editions of the official FIFA World Club Championship.
This is not right. Corinthians -- a CONMEBOL member -- won the first edition of the Fifa Club World Cup in 2000 without winning Libertadores first. Maclaine ( talk) 14:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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According to the Sueño Libertador section, "A similar, yet barely used term was invented for attempting to win the little-prestigious Intercontinental/ FIFA Club World cups called Projeto Tóquio". However, there is no source for this statement. And it is non-neutral to say that those two cups (Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup) are little-prestigious without providing at least reliable sources for that. I added two tags. Any comments are welcome. -- Carioca ( talk) 19:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Can we get any specific information as to the media coverage of the Copa Libertadores? Does anyone know of good websites, sources, etc?
Leave it at 39. We don't know what the format will be for next season since they added a new team to the competition. -- MicroX ( talk) 00:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Article 2, section 2 of the 2010 Copa rules states how many teams there are in the competition proper (40, because of an extra two Mexican teams). Article 3 state that the competition starts at the First Stage, where 12 teams play. Teams advance to the Second Stage, where 26 teams qualify directly to. The competition proper 'does not start in the second/group stage (unlike the UEFA Champions League). There is no need to state how many are in the Second/group stage in the infobox. Digirami ( talk) 01:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Comments arising as I read through the first couple of sections:
Reviewer: Reso lute 20:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
On the whole, it is a decent article - broad in coverage, neutral, and the history is well balanced. There are a couple statements that require references, and I'd like to see some of those peacock words cleaned up before I can pass it as a GA. As such, I am placing it on hold for now. If you do intend to try for FA again, it will need to be looked at by an experienced copyeditor first. Please leave a message on my talk page when you are ready for me to take a second look. Cheers!
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Thanks for the fixes, Jamen. I am not convinced by your explanation on the scoring format however, as I looked over numerous football related FAs and found that they consistently list the winning score first regardless of who the home team was. Keep in mind that articles should be tailored for everyone, and "won 2-1 on the road" is clear to everyone where "won 1-2" is not as obvious in all regions and mixing scores can be confusing. However, I am not going to dig my heels in over that point. There are still a few colourful phrases, but that has been cleaned up, and my concerns about tense and referencing are addressed. As such, I am passing this as a GA. Cheers! Reso lute 00:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Would whoever removed the Advert tag please actually consider making the Match Ball section NOT an ad first? By any definition, it's an advert.
24.16.229.98 ( talk) 20:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi all,
I would like to start a new section to reflect the new decade:
Consolidation?: 2010-2019
The 2010 edition witnessed the consolidation of the Mexican participation with Guadalajara reaching the final against Internacional. Internacional won its second title with an aggregate score of 5-3. Gabriel arisi ( talk) 07:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I can't delete it this time. So, please stop adding the poorly sourced "official anthem" section, that is a TV theme used by one of the broadcasters. Copa Libertadores doesn't have an official anthem.-- 190.8.113.40 ( talk) 19:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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Per above, common guys, do something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.196.104.52 ( talk) 19:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
There are multiple issues to deal with in the section "Cultural Impact". First of all, the section's lede is superfluous, it doesn't add anything to what you can say of any other footbal club international competition (see WP:WEASEL). The subsection "Sueño Libertadores" is based upon a 2004 Mexican article about the first Mexican clubs to participate in the tournament, hardly a global point of view of the Libertadores Cup; clearly a case of WP:UNDUE. The investment made by several clubs to win the trophy are well sourced and worth of mention, but only under a new header. The completely unsourced subsection "La Copa se mira y no se toca", whose title derives from an old fans' cliche common to several countries in South America used to taunt rivals, has nothing to do with the early supremacy of the "Atlantic" football giants of the continent over those of the "Pacific" or western region of the continent. It could stand, however, if a source citing this phrase in the context of Libertadores Cup is found in a source originated in these countries (Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia).-- Darius ( talk) 14:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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I think these subtitles in the History section really should be changed. I don't think these eventual winners represent much and it seems like a narrative created just for the sake of the article. Maybe a better idea would be to merge the sections in a decade subtitle and add another section for "River-Boca in Madrid and single match final (2018-present)"? I don't have the time to do it right now, but it seems to be more relevant. Suggestions welcomed. Snitor ( talk) 04:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Article has not really been updated for a decade and contains multiple orange level tags. Main editor is inactive. AIRcorn (talk) 09:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 20:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Copa Libertadores → CONMEBOL Libertadores – A user moved this page to CONMEBOL Libertadores with the rationale "For some years now, CONMEBOL, which is the organizer of the event, has been advertising the expression “CONMEBOL Libertadores” as the new name of the competition. So it is only fair that this article recognizes the new official name of the competition." The article was then moved back to Copa Libertadores with the rationale WP:RMUM. The page was again moved to CONMEBOL Libertadores with the same rationale. I moved it back here to maintain status quo and to start a move discussion to avert a move war. I don't have a preference one way or the other myself Tartar Torte 18:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
The article states: "In 1965, it was named in honor of the heroes of South American liberation, such as Simón Bolívar, José de San Martín, Pedro I, Bernardo O'Higgins, and José Gervasio Artigas, among others". But it's not like that. The name Libertadores was used before, just look at these two articles from 1960 and 1961:
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"Pasion libertadores" section on cultural impact looks simply like a sef promotion rather then actually informing something about the tournament. Someone founded a website about a topic that seems very normal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.171.102.228 ( talk) 14:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
This article needs a good coverage such as the world cup, Copa America, UEFA Champions League, etc. articles. I'll start with it shortly. - SpiceMan 12:00, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm brazilian and my country didn't have a war to be independent.We were colony of Portugal then D. Pedro I payed money to Portugal ,so we got independent. After the independence we had 2 Emperors that went to Europe in the end of their lifes.The text is wrong. EDIT: Brazilian War of Independence. Augusto Fontes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.53.160.122 ( talk) 21:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I think this article would be much more complete if it has details for every edition of the cup like the UEFA Champions League article. I noticed that some editions like the 2005, 1997 and 1994 have a Details article but they are incomplete or they need to be cleaned up. I know that creating a Details article for every year of the Libertadores might take a long time, but if enough people are interested in helping, it will make the Copa Libertadores article complete. - Bruno18 16:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I did use RSSSF to make the 1990 and 2002 articles. The only problem is that it takes too long, especially in the recent years where 32 teams participate (more teams=more games=longer articles ;) ). Like you said, a bot would be perfect but I have no idea on how to use/create one. Bruno18 14:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have spent a lot of time making the results look much better then before. You are welcome Gethomas3 05:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
An anon user changed:
with
I couldn't find references for neither year; anyone had better luck? Mariano( t/ c) 07:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
What should we do then? Set back 1979? I didn't find any refenrece to 1979 either, and don't know who wrote it. Mariano( t/ c) 06:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Another question:
Why is River Plate's runners up position from 1948 part of the list of former winners, but Vasco da Gama's victory is not?! — Preceding
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I've been absent from this page for a while but I now see that the teams' crests where changed by the country's flag. The teams don't represent their countries in this competition, they represent themselves. The country of origin only matters when providing a quota to that league's teams. We should change back to the teams' crests, since that would be the correct interpretation. Ideas? Opinions? If no comments/opposition appears I'll change them in a few days.
Sebastian Kessel Talk 23:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
PS. If anyone was following this, several users agreed that the logos are on a fair use, and are not essential to the article, and so cannot be used under the fair use policy. Philc T E C I 19:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be better to change the name of this section? IMO it is a bit misleading as the table only shows the results for the finals, not for every game of the Copa as the title seems to suggest. Also, I think it would be better to "flip" the table and show the last champion first (in other words, go in descending order from 2006 to 1960). Let me know what you think. Bruno18 20:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed the title to "Past tournaments". IMO it suits the article better but if you don't like it feel free to change it. Bruno18 17:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe it's appropiate to have both Sao Paulo and Internacional in the "Past Results" table as one column is for the runner-up and the other one for the champion (the leftmost column in this case). Having Sao Paulo in that leftmost column can confuse people who are looking at the article and are not familiar with football or the Libertadores, making them believe that Sao Paulo is the 2006 champion. We should only add the teams once the finals are complete. After all, this is an encyclopedia and the main objective should be to inform people but not confuse them.
I'm also against declaring Brazil as having 13 championships before the finals are played. Yeah, I know that this is an all-Brazilian final and that the champion will eventually be from that country but there's always a remote chance that something might happen.
So in conclusion, I'll go ahead and revert the changes made by that anom user and if somebody disagrees and wants the article the way it was PLEASE discuss it here and at least give at good reason of why you want the article that way. Peace. Bruno18 14:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, it looks like it doesn't matter. Anom users from Brazil keep changing the article and I'm not willing to play an edit war so I'll leave the article as it is. Bruno18 17:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
In Brazil, it's Copa Libertadores da América and not Taça Libertadores da América. People can check this at Portuguese Wikipedia [1].
In English the people always refer to this championship as Copa Libertadores. Libertators of America, as it's written in this article is a an useless and non-official translation. -- 201.37.187.220 02:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The original and complete name of the tournament is "Copa Libertadores de América". Copa Libertadores is just the "short name" for the tournament and the user that made the change didn't even specify the reason. I think the article should be moved back to the complete name. Bruno18 16:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Can some one explain, how was mexico added to a south american cup?, the article doesn't explain.
richer than which country? i can think of at least 4 or 5 countries in southamerica with higher incomes and higher quality of life... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.80.164.11 ( talk) 16:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
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What kind of translation is this? This is an odd and unofficial translation which is not adopted by any kind of press. Even English-speaking countries call this competition "Copa Libertadores". I'll remove this statemant of the article. Sometime ago people wrote "Libertators of America Cup" and now "America's Libertators Cup". What would be the next weird translation? "Cup Libertators of America"??? C'mon people!!! There's no english translation and period! -- 201.82.130.253 ( talk) 20:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The official name of Copa Santander Libertadores does not redirect to the Copa Libertadores page - I think it should, considering that the article initially refers to the competition as the Copa Santander Libertadores.
Hi, I've noticed the way the knock-out matches appear in almost all the articles of each edition is quite misleading on home and away matches. It's quite confusing because the team seeded first is not always the one who played at home first, but it seems like that by the way it looks it the articles. I think it should be fixed up. Ipsumesse ( talk) 06:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Under the section Media coverage, only media in UK and Australia are listed, giving a wrong preception that the tournament is only covered in these two regions. I think this section is strongly insufficient concnerning its information, and even does not have value of existence if the there is not further data available.
So, does anyone know whether there is a list of media coverage which is more complete? Or should I start a separate article like List of UEFA Champions League broadcasters, so that people can add information concerning their own countries? Salt ( talk) 15:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
From the article:
The winners of the Copa Libertadores have gone on to win more world club championships than any other FIFA confederation. They have also won three out of the first four editions of the official FIFA World Club Championship.
This is not right. Corinthians -- a CONMEBOL member -- won the first edition of the Fifa Club World Cup in 2000 without winning Libertadores first. Maclaine ( talk) 14:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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According to the Sueño Libertador section, "A similar, yet barely used term was invented for attempting to win the little-prestigious Intercontinental/ FIFA Club World cups called Projeto Tóquio". However, there is no source for this statement. And it is non-neutral to say that those two cups (Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup) are little-prestigious without providing at least reliable sources for that. I added two tags. Any comments are welcome. -- Carioca ( talk) 19:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Can we get any specific information as to the media coverage of the Copa Libertadores? Does anyone know of good websites, sources, etc?
Leave it at 39. We don't know what the format will be for next season since they added a new team to the competition. -- MicroX ( talk) 00:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Article 2, section 2 of the 2010 Copa rules states how many teams there are in the competition proper (40, because of an extra two Mexican teams). Article 3 state that the competition starts at the First Stage, where 12 teams play. Teams advance to the Second Stage, where 26 teams qualify directly to. The competition proper 'does not start in the second/group stage (unlike the UEFA Champions League). There is no need to state how many are in the Second/group stage in the infobox. Digirami ( talk) 01:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Comments arising as I read through the first couple of sections:
Reviewer: Reso lute 20:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
On the whole, it is a decent article - broad in coverage, neutral, and the history is well balanced. There are a couple statements that require references, and I'd like to see some of those peacock words cleaned up before I can pass it as a GA. As such, I am placing it on hold for now. If you do intend to try for FA again, it will need to be looked at by an experienced copyeditor first. Please leave a message on my talk page when you are ready for me to take a second look. Cheers!
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Thanks for the fixes, Jamen. I am not convinced by your explanation on the scoring format however, as I looked over numerous football related FAs and found that they consistently list the winning score first regardless of who the home team was. Keep in mind that articles should be tailored for everyone, and "won 2-1 on the road" is clear to everyone where "won 1-2" is not as obvious in all regions and mixing scores can be confusing. However, I am not going to dig my heels in over that point. There are still a few colourful phrases, but that has been cleaned up, and my concerns about tense and referencing are addressed. As such, I am passing this as a GA. Cheers! Reso lute 00:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Would whoever removed the Advert tag please actually consider making the Match Ball section NOT an ad first? By any definition, it's an advert.
24.16.229.98 ( talk) 20:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi all,
I would like to start a new section to reflect the new decade:
Consolidation?: 2010-2019
The 2010 edition witnessed the consolidation of the Mexican participation with Guadalajara reaching the final against Internacional. Internacional won its second title with an aggregate score of 5-3. Gabriel arisi ( talk) 07:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I can't delete it this time. So, please stop adding the poorly sourced "official anthem" section, that is a TV theme used by one of the broadcasters. Copa Libertadores doesn't have an official anthem.-- 190.8.113.40 ( talk) 19:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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Per above, common guys, do something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.196.104.52 ( talk) 19:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
There are multiple issues to deal with in the section "Cultural Impact". First of all, the section's lede is superfluous, it doesn't add anything to what you can say of any other footbal club international competition (see WP:WEASEL). The subsection "Sueño Libertadores" is based upon a 2004 Mexican article about the first Mexican clubs to participate in the tournament, hardly a global point of view of the Libertadores Cup; clearly a case of WP:UNDUE. The investment made by several clubs to win the trophy are well sourced and worth of mention, but only under a new header. The completely unsourced subsection "La Copa se mira y no se toca", whose title derives from an old fans' cliche common to several countries in South America used to taunt rivals, has nothing to do with the early supremacy of the "Atlantic" football giants of the continent over those of the "Pacific" or western region of the continent. It could stand, however, if a source citing this phrase in the context of Libertadores Cup is found in a source originated in these countries (Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia).-- Darius ( talk) 14:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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I think these subtitles in the History section really should be changed. I don't think these eventual winners represent much and it seems like a narrative created just for the sake of the article. Maybe a better idea would be to merge the sections in a decade subtitle and add another section for "River-Boca in Madrid and single match final (2018-present)"? I don't have the time to do it right now, but it seems to be more relevant. Suggestions welcomed. Snitor ( talk) 04:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Article has not really been updated for a decade and contains multiple orange level tags. Main editor is inactive. AIRcorn (talk) 09:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 20:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Copa Libertadores → CONMEBOL Libertadores – A user moved this page to CONMEBOL Libertadores with the rationale "For some years now, CONMEBOL, which is the organizer of the event, has been advertising the expression “CONMEBOL Libertadores” as the new name of the competition. So it is only fair that this article recognizes the new official name of the competition." The article was then moved back to Copa Libertadores with the rationale WP:RMUM. The page was again moved to CONMEBOL Libertadores with the same rationale. I moved it back here to maintain status quo and to start a move discussion to avert a move war. I don't have a preference one way or the other myself Tartar Torte 18:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
The article states: "In 1965, it was named in honor of the heroes of South American liberation, such as Simón Bolívar, José de San Martín, Pedro I, Bernardo O'Higgins, and José Gervasio Artigas, among others". But it's not like that. The name Libertadores was used before, just look at these two articles from 1960 and 1961:
http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/153931_03/3482
http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/112518_03/5292 VAN ZANT ( talk) 09:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)