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It worries me that many of the sources used to invoke allegations of "fraud", "corruption", and others come from blogs. Are we using opinions to justify entries in an encyclopedia? At least the wording makes it clear that said allegations have never been proven (sometimes, not even denounced) in a court of law and that the allegations are entirely the opinion of its authors. Perhaps a disclaimer would be useful? Hari Seldon 02:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor repeated the info below throughout the article:
See this diff.
I reverted all the changes, but don't know what to do with the link since I don't read Spanish. -- Timeshifter 20:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Over the December holiday, I read Fernando Pliego Carrasco's El mito del fraude electoral en México, Editorial Pax Mexico, ISBN 978-968-860-906-4. It contains a lot of information that is not in the article at present (for example, the returns in the PREP sorted by "marginalizacion level" of the districts, a full statistical study of the arithmetic errors found on the tally sheets, discussions on the "Voto por voto y casilla por casilla", and the use of social federal programs). All of it is interesting, all of it is well-sourced, and a lot of it would work well to balance much already in the article. I am a bit busy at present, so I may not be able to add it wholesale or very soon, but I hope to add it at least piecemeal in the not-too-distant future. I wanted to give a heads up and get the name and information of the book into the page, since we do not have a References or Bibliography sections in the article itself. Magidin ( talk) 19:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
the link above includes the transcript ot the 2 as well as a recording. If we are supposed to asume good faith you can assume that I know who Elba Esther Gordillo Pedro Cerisola and Eugenio Hernandez are and I can sware on a bible if need be that these are their voices ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by The.real.daywalker ( talk • contribs) 09:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
An anonymous editor placed a flag in the section on How the votes are counted, indicating he/she believes it is overly detailed. I do not believe so; many of the allegations of fraud were based on clear misunderstandings or misconceptions of the differences between the PREP, the Quick Count, and the official count; many of the reported "irregularities" were also based on ignorance on the methodology for counting (e.g., Narconews presenting photographs of the information notice posted outside polling places as if they represented official, unalterable returns for those polling places). Many of the complaints discussed later in the article require the reader to understand the issue of transmission of information from the polling place to the district office (to explain the issues surrounding the running totals), and other issues such as the hard limits on number of voters per polling place. I do not think the section is too detailed, and this is already a subsidiary article as it is. There is no "trivia, praise, criticism, lists and colleciton of links" in the section at all. As such, I think the flag is not appropriate. I would also argue for reinstating the deleted paragraph that explains that the details are necessary in order to understand the issues raised later, which this anonymous editor removed, thus depriving the contents of the section of some needed context. Magidin ( talk) 21:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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It worries me that many of the sources used to invoke allegations of "fraud", "corruption", and others come from blogs. Are we using opinions to justify entries in an encyclopedia? At least the wording makes it clear that said allegations have never been proven (sometimes, not even denounced) in a court of law and that the allegations are entirely the opinion of its authors. Perhaps a disclaimer would be useful? Hari Seldon 02:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor repeated the info below throughout the article:
See this diff.
I reverted all the changes, but don't know what to do with the link since I don't read Spanish. -- Timeshifter 20:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Over the December holiday, I read Fernando Pliego Carrasco's El mito del fraude electoral en México, Editorial Pax Mexico, ISBN 978-968-860-906-4. It contains a lot of information that is not in the article at present (for example, the returns in the PREP sorted by "marginalizacion level" of the districts, a full statistical study of the arithmetic errors found on the tally sheets, discussions on the "Voto por voto y casilla por casilla", and the use of social federal programs). All of it is interesting, all of it is well-sourced, and a lot of it would work well to balance much already in the article. I am a bit busy at present, so I may not be able to add it wholesale or very soon, but I hope to add it at least piecemeal in the not-too-distant future. I wanted to give a heads up and get the name and information of the book into the page, since we do not have a References or Bibliography sections in the article itself. Magidin ( talk) 19:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
the link above includes the transcript ot the 2 as well as a recording. If we are supposed to asume good faith you can assume that I know who Elba Esther Gordillo Pedro Cerisola and Eugenio Hernandez are and I can sware on a bible if need be that these are their voices ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by The.real.daywalker ( talk • contribs) 09:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
An anonymous editor placed a flag in the section on How the votes are counted, indicating he/she believes it is overly detailed. I do not believe so; many of the allegations of fraud were based on clear misunderstandings or misconceptions of the differences between the PREP, the Quick Count, and the official count; many of the reported "irregularities" were also based on ignorance on the methodology for counting (e.g., Narconews presenting photographs of the information notice posted outside polling places as if they represented official, unalterable returns for those polling places). Many of the complaints discussed later in the article require the reader to understand the issue of transmission of information from the polling place to the district office (to explain the issues surrounding the running totals), and other issues such as the hard limits on number of voters per polling place. I do not think the section is too detailed, and this is already a subsidiary article as it is. There is no "trivia, praise, criticism, lists and colleciton of links" in the section at all. As such, I think the flag is not appropriate. I would also argue for reinstating the deleted paragraph that explains that the details are necessary in order to understand the issues raised later, which this anonymous editor removed, thus depriving the contents of the section of some needed context. Magidin ( talk) 21:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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