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I don't know why? He said that 'Almasdar' news is pro government, but it has nothing to do with Almasdar, because it's the official statement of the Syrian Armed Forces. Meanwhile Ahmedo Semsurî says: We can't use x source for x edits.., why? You're using unreliable sources such as Anha, ANF for SDF edits, we didn't said anything.. Beshogur ( talk) 16:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Niele~enwiki, what are your sources about the "neutral zone"? A Kurdish guy said this group is ally of SAA and NDF but "in heart" SDF. This doesn't matter, if they're ally of SAA/NDF they're ally of SAA/NDF. Your edits doesn't prove anything. Beshogur ( talk) 12:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Per Local sources: SAA controlled the Kafr Qaris, Tall Susayn, Kafr Saghir, Fafin, Babinnis,Mahatah,Muslamiyah Cement Factory and Aleppo Infantry College. Link Link Mehmedsons ( talk) 13:28, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes only SAA controlled this area in north Aleppo no YPG / PKK there change that in full red again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.209.133.27 ( talk) 14:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Please stop with it! You can't find any local source about that, let sources. It's just a Twitter talk, not anything. Beshogur ( talk) 17:27, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello all
I do not know how to change the Aleppo label location to be away from the area of Kurdish-Turkish-Daish clashes. Right now it obstructs the view of this area. Can anyone please fix? Coneleir ( talk) 17:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
I am concerned that pro-government media sources are being used to indicate JaN presence in rebel-held towns. Whilst JaN are undoubtedly in lots of places, sites like farsnews have a vested interest in exaggerating their presence, and we don't use them as reliable sources for determining territory (so we shouldn't use them for determining whether something is purely rebel-held, or whether there is a JaN element in it). Even Al-Masdar does this, and in the past, we stuck to the convention of ignoring these sites when it came to determining a JaN presence unless:
- We were adding a new point to the map, in which case less referencing is required - The JaN presence was claimed to be present by pro-opposition sources - The JaN presence was claimed to be present by relatively unbiased international sources, such as the BBC and the Guardian
Shouldn't we stick to this convention now? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:51, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Pbfreespace3, you should not use Google translate. I don't know if you speak small Arabic like me, but the article is talking about the road on Nayrabiyah, thus SDF made gain on the road, not captured the village. Beshogur ( talk) 21:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I am concerned about 3 related edits. One is by User:PutItOnAMap; the second and third by User:Pbfreespace3. The edits used the source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-routes-isis-deir-ezzor-airport/ with the edit summary: “IS could not be attacking the soothern perimeter without control of these areas.” Basically, the source does not say that these military bases are ISIS-held. The editors made the indirect inference that they must be ISIS-held because ISIS is attacking the airport to the north of them. However, I am not certain that ISIS could not attack the airport while bypassing them. Also, one of the bases is the “137th Brigade Headquarters”, which is a big deal. If its control changes, then someone must have talked about it… Therefore, I am asking all the regulars here ( User:Mehmedsons, etc…) and others to give their opinion about these edits. Can you find recent sources that help us establish who controls these military bases? How are our competitors (other map makers) representing these military bases control status? Thank you for any help. Tradedia talk 16:28, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Azraq village was still rebel-held, and I said this several times, while Pbfreespace3 reverted my edits without any source. Hassan Ridha is very reliable source and he said Azraq village is not under SDF or SAA control but FSA. I hope someone can understand me. Beshogur ( talk) 08:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Can we ban Syrian Civil War Map as a source from this template? This guy who does maps Tweet anything about northern Aleppo and most users here use this account as a source. This source should be banned. Beshogur ( talk) 17:16, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
On the Damascus map, in the bottom left, Khan ash-Shih, Zaqqiyah and in fact all the areas still rebel green have been surrendered to the SAAF and the rebels bussed to Idlib. Some areas in the top, south of Al-Tall, in purple, seem to be SAAF controlled. On the other hand I have one source that says Kiswah (village to the east of Zaqiyah) is still rebel held. Either way it needs an update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.53.239 ( talk) 15:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
According to this article Hezbollah/SAA is not targeting rebels inside Zabadani anymore due to a new ceasefire agreement, so it should be back to truce or rebel held, but not contested. Valewonca ( talk) 19:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/militants-surrender-east-aleppo-map/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.204.138.233 ( talk) 11:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Aleppo now is under the Syrian Government. It was recaptured in 12/12/2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quananhsystem ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
When this job will be definitly done, please remove the Template map and put a big red point, it's better for the map, too much problems with this map since they have been cuted specially on smartphone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.162.72.180 ( talk) 17:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Same source hours latter reported 100% is under army control
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/militants-surrender-east-aleppo-map/ — Preceding
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The turkish army has invaded (thats the right word?) syria, but in the map it is not published. can this be fixed? -- 2A02:8109:9A40:1778:F0B1:8723:C8E4:3454 ( talk) 00:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that they are backing rebels in northern Aleppo and they do not have independant positions or base so it's not easy to report this presence on the map, maybe we should change the name of the rebel pocket north of Aleppo as "turkish backed rebels" and change the color like a light green 82.233.227.191 ( talk) 13:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I always thought it was a mistake to differentiate Al Qaeda from other rebel groups, given the evolution of the situation this distinction will become less and less relevant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.165.65.251 ( talk) 21:08, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
I think it will be better to remove the aleppo map on the map and replace it with a big red point in order to lighten it, because this map is responsable of many problems, we can keep it in the page Wikipedia of the battle of aleppo, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.162.111.169 ( talk) 18:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
This map has gotten very sloppy in the past 2 weeks. The dots representing towns are in many cases no longer circular, and I now see some villages in northern Raqqa demarcated as '?' and 'clashes near [other village's name].' This really isn't an acceptable standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.124.119 ( talk) 16:56, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
As I said, we have to remove the Aleppo map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.166.61.218 ( talk) 02:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
We should add many locations in the Syrian desert close to the Jordanian borders, these may help:
also al_Shi'ab is under IS control (not Regime) 3bdulelah ( talk) 12:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't even know why the entire area is government held in the first place, sure, there was an agreement but rebels never left the Valley, and now that the ceasefire is broken the villages should be back to rebel held, whit the exception of Basimah, Ain al-Fijah and Ayn al Khadra, wiche were captured by SAA this week. Valewonca ( talk) 23:32, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Also, i'm wondering why Bassima was removed. It wasn't on the map for the whole time the Syrian army and terrorists were fighting over it, it was briefly added to the map after the Syrian army captured it, then it was removed from the map again. That seems to happen a lot with towns in the Damascus area. I've seen it many times with East Ghouta. It can make it hard to find out what's happening where. I keep having to go to Google to find the location of towns that don't exist on this map, where important battles are happening. Seems to defeat the purpose of the map. Kawada Kira ( talk) 00:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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{ lat = 35.886, long = 36.4415, mark = m.stable_opp_JaN, marksize = 5, label = " Aqrabat", link = "Aqrabat", label_size = 0 },
Here is the source for this change which says America struck a Jabhat Fatah al-Sham convoy (indicates strong presence) at Aqrabat.
Here is the location of the strike, the photos confirm it. TheNavigatrr ( talk) 16:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
and had since then always been in hands of SDF.
Yet still it is faulty marked for a month as exclusively SAA controlled...
Sources:
-> Vavinê / Fafin is by certainty and a abundance of sourcing under SDF control.-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 16:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
With sources reporting the last SAA left Sha'alê village it is time to adjust the situation in this area to the reality and sources. Sources for this: twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/824924874271498241, twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/824926459806498817, twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/824936237765128192, twitter.com/SariZagros/status/824926365216567296, twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/824918327105462272, twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/824944766185975808, twitter.com/Infos_MENA/status/824948309919936512 (SAA left, SDF entered), isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-january-shaale-village-west-of-albab-reportedly-under, twitter.com/DersimKerkuk/status/825056721236324352, twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/825037818158206976
The map in this was subject to NPOV pushing by 2 Turkish users that falsly represented the neutral SNR as part of SAA and hide formal SDF-groups (YPG/Akrad) presence in these villages.
This with the objective to limit SDF presence/succes on the map, in the vicinity of Al-Bab and Turkish Euphrate Shield main strategic and symbolic objective.
Some pro-SAA media outlets stated the capture of villages by SDF+SNR together with other villages captured by SAA+SNR as a whole a succes/victory SAA+allies. Those pro-SAA media outlets SDF and SNR refering to as allies, so they could inflate SAA succes by presenting it maximal as SAA succes without strictly lying.
In a violation to the rule -3- WP:POV 'intentional misinterpretation of sources' they changed all these villages from mixed SDF-SAA to SAA. intentional misinterpretating the source as if all villages where under exlusifly SAA control, and deliberate ignoring all masive/reliable sourcing about SDF precense in these villages.
Second in violation to the rule -3- WP:POV 'intentional misinterpretation of sources' they claimed/represented the Syrian National Resistance as part of SAA while it is a officially independent neutral politicial coalition allied with both the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian Ba'athist government The SNR having declared beeing "a key player in improving regional relations between the SAA and Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF)".[3] Nevertheless, the Syrian National Resistance denies a direct affiliation to either faction.[4] Rezan Hedo has stated that he counts on the support of both loyalists as well as opponents to the Ba'athist government. And turning all villages SNR is active to exlusifly SAA ignoring SDF presence. See sourcing /info/en/?search=Syrian_National_Resistance
In a effort to push this throuh they personnally attacked all users that reverted them. Getting valuable user pbfreespace3 banned from wikipedia bc of breaking an old 1/week revert rule he had from the past. As a result the map is no longer correct and villages with no SAA presence inside them like Xirbat Dîwar/Sêsan/Khirbat Duwayr or Vavinê/Fafin it is ridiculous to falsly represent as SAA controlled on this map.
To bring this map again to a reliable and sourced state I summ up all sources for these villages getting things straight.-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Liberated by SDF(+SNR?) on 27 november 2016 with indirect support of SAA. Under mixed control of mainly the Syrian Democratic Forces(SDF), Syrian Resistance Forces (SNR). The last SAA presence left the village around 26-27 January 2017, leaving it only to SDF and SNR.
Sources: (1) twitter.com/etdbrief_ro_1/status/816974661481218048 (No ES presence) (2) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/816965482284609536 (No ES presence) (3) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802891734648700928 (SDF control) (4) twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/824924874271498241 (SDF control) (5) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/824926459806498817 (SDF control) (6) twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/824936237765128192 (SDF control) (7) twitter.com/SariZagros/status/824926365216567296 (SDF control) (8) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/824918327105462272 (SDF control) (9) twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/824944766185975808 (SDF control) (10) twitter.com/Infos_MENA/status/824948309919936512 (SAA left, SDF entered) (11) isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-january-shaale-village-west-of-albab-reportedly-under (SDF control) (12) twitter.com/DersimKerkuk/status/825056721236324352 (SDF control) (13) twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/825037818158206976 (SDF control) (14) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/802846596505313281 (SAA+neutral Kurds/SNR control-old)
All present day sources claim 'SDF' control -> SDF control-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
13 dec 2012 Taken by Tawheed-Brigade. Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKsa5TQwJO4
Taken by Daesh in 2014
27 nov 2016: SDF reached edge of Radar base. Sources: twitter.com/valeriobrl/status/802954385114431488, twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/802932520975269892
5 januari 2017: Daesh still controlles radar base. Source: twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/816965482284609536
SAA captured base from Daesh and maintains control: (15) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/824015543791403010 (SAA-control) (16) twitter.com/EmmanuelGMay/status/825088120706199553 (SAA-control) (17) twitter.com/xer6xes/status/824966848127066112 (SAA-control)
--> SAA control-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Captured by SDF on 23 november 2016. Under mixed control of mainly the Syrian Democratic forces (SDF) and possibly some Syrian Resistance Forces (Kafr Saguir Martyr's Brigade neutral force) Part of cooperation with SAA.-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Sources: (18) twitter.com/vivarevolt/status/801544324982984707 (SDF control) (19) twitter.com/Pyrmha108/status/801640212929662977 (SDF control) (20) twitter.com/agitpapa/status/802424655596421121 (SDF control) (21) twitter.com/EmmanuelGMay/status/801562029794459648 (SDF/YPG control) (22) twitter.com/SemirHemzaa/status/801495755366236168 (Al Akrad=SDF control) (23) twitter.com/KurdishYPJYPG/status/801524598156181504 (Al Akrad=SDF control) (24) twitter.com/gdk9933/status/812304093599371264 (YPG=SDF control) (25) twitter.com/archicivilians/status/802898450161405953 (SDF+SAA cooperation) (26) twitter.com/AkEl_Saruman/status/802836175249674242 (pro-Turk source: PKK is propaganda-talk for YPG/SDF control) (27) twitter.com/melisaraimmo/status/802160509097308160 (SDF control) (28) twitter.com/AndreaDePoliAS/status/802149882190512129 (SDF control) (29) twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/801911186862247938 ('only' SDF control) (30) twitter.com/SemirHemzaa/status/801849608477507585 (neutral SNR-control) (31) twitter.com/FatihMertTokgoz/status/801844014697840641 (YPG=SDF control) (32) twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/801835640262377472 (SDF+SAA cooperation) (33) twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran/status/801794315559305216 (SDF+SNR+SAA cooperation) (34) twitter.com/Gjoene/status/801783387887456256 (SDF control) (35) twitter.com/Iteration23/status/801731329603805185 (geolocating confirmation of SDF) (36) twitter.com/ibrahim_gezici/status/801648737395286016 (SDF control) (37) twitter.com/ritchiepage2001/status/801603960436047874 (SDF/Rojava control) (38) twitter.com/EdmapsCom/status/801584157063266306 (SDF control) (39) twitter.com/bzdt5/status/801570848817680384 (SDF control) (40) twitter.com/Gjoene/status/801558705418502144 (SDF control) (41) twitter.com/daancrz/status/801551996742488075 (SDF control) (42) twitter.com/agit021/status/801549795458502657 (SDF/YPG control) (43) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/801548129166381061 (SDF control) (44) twitter.com/JiKurdistan/status/801547950996459520 (SDF control) (45) twitter.com/melisaraimmo/status/801545706808995840 (SDF control) (46) twitter.com/Mexlumy/status/801544753120743424 (SDF control) (47) twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/801544803137810432 (SOHR: SDF control)
--> All sources specific to this village, including Turkish, claim SDF control, including 'Rojava, Akrad=SDF, YPG=SDF, 'PKK',...) --> SDF control -- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Liberated by SDF(+SNR?) on 26-27 november 2016 with indirect support of SAA. Under mixed control of mainly the Syrian Democratic forces (SDF) and possibly some Syrian Resistance Forces (Kafr Saguir Martyr's Brigade neutral force) Part of cooperation with SAA.
Sources: (48) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802495094570053632 (SNR control) (49) twitter.com/KurdisCat/status/802849111795990528 (SDF control) (50) twitter.com/DuhokDersim/status/802499139019763712 (SDF control) (60) twitter.com/yadobrindar/status/802496954060181504 (SDF control) (61) twitter.com/EndiZentarmi/status/802729059285340160 (SDF control) (62) twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/812302238420992000 (YPG=SDF control + SNR=neutral) (63) twitter.com/Donmkenya/status/812326510770143232 (YPG=SDF control + SNR=neutral)
--> SDF control-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Liberated by SDF(+SNR?) on 26 november 2016 with indirect support of SAA. Under mixed control of neutral Syrian Resistance Forces (Kafr Saguir Martyr's Brigade), Syrian Democratic forces with Part of cooperation with SAA with possible presence.
Sources: (64) twitter.com/SPQR_XXI/status/802487867842973696 (SDF control, no SAA) (65) twitter.com/yadobrindar/status/802496954060181504 (SDF control) (66) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802495094570053632 (SNR+SDF/Kurdish forces control) (67) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802452293836804096 (SDF control) (68) twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/812302238420992000 (SNR+SAA control) (69) twitter.com/Hurro_Mitanni/status/824894478888493058 (SDF control) (70) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802452293836804096 (SDF control)
->Mixed SDF-SAA control (bc of SRO claiming of SAA presence and several sources+2sources SNR)-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Mostly a pro-SDF/PYD sources. According pro-SDF(SRO) source no more SDF in Cobe/Juba and Kashkeshshat. Only pro-regime militias. Most SDF left the mixed area north of Aleppo and the last YPG, Shahba Women a present are in Xirbet Diwar, Narbiyah and Ta'anah. link link link link link No the neutral militias more at this area and YPG just a have positions at three villages all other areas SAA controlled. link link Mehmedsons ( talk) 16:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Stop NPOV pushing. You're NPOV claims are simply ridiculous and this has to stop, this is damaging the reliability of this map and making a joke of it.
-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 18:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I thought Twitter CANNOT be used to edit this map, so why is Neile-enwiki using twitter sources to claim that the SAA is at war with SDF in Aleppo??No News site has stated such an event is happening!! -- GERALD710)( talk)
I agree Joint control is the best option here for the villages inside the Kafr Kashir neutral zone area. With the exception of:
All other villages should be joint control. -- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 02:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
"#breaking :#SDF has liberated Al Nayrabiyah from #IS West of #AlBab source:SOHR" <-- It's quite clear. Syrian Army is other tweet about SAA-SDF cooperation Jubah& SheikhKeif.
Twitter sources are not considered valid on this page as anyone can post what they want on Twitter. One can use Pro SDF soures when reporting on the likes of ISIS advancing and the SAA, the same way we use Al Masdar when reporting on ISIS and the rebels advances and SOHR on the SAA advances as well as ISIS ones. Credible news sites like Reuters can be used as well, but not Twitter Sources.Same applies to maps. You used a Twitter source to modify the map to show that the SAA and SDF were clashing at Al Khashkhāshāt. This was later rectified but such edits are what damage the credibility of a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GERALD710 ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
At 29/01/2017 SAA take back the three villages that formely was SDF controlled at the Shalee area. They also demanded to SDF handed control of the Shaallee silos to SAA. link Mehmedsons ( talk) 15:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
(1) twitter.com/etdbrief_ro_1/status/816974661481218048 (No ES presence) (2) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/816965482284609536 (No ES presence) (3) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802891734648700928 (SDF control) (4) twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/824924874271498241 (SDF control) (5) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/824926459806498817 (SDF control) (6) twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/824936237765128192 (SDF control) (7) twitter.com/SariZagros/status/824926365216567296 (SDF control) (8) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/824918327105462272 (SDF control) (9) twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/824944766185975808 (SDF control) (10) twitter.com/Infos_MENA/status/824948309919936512 (SAA left, SDF entered) (11) isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-january-shaale-village-west-of-albab-reportedly-under (SDF control) (12) twitter.com/DersimKerkuk/status/825056721236324352 (SDF control) (13) twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/825037818158206976 (SDF control) (14) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/802846596505313281 (SAA+neutral Kurds/SNR control-old)
You do not understand the main! We do not a lot sources, we need one source but a reliable. No one of your sources not make mention that SAA left Sha'le. But I provide source at 29/01/2017 not from Twitter: SAA take back 3 villages that formely was SDF controlled at Shalee area. link We can put village Sha'le as mixed SAA/SDF and close the topic. Mehmedsons ( talk) 09:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that many pro-side and many unreliable sources are being used by some editors recently and many misinterpation of them and so breaking the rules of editing intentionally.
Mehmedsons some of the sources you use to edit are pro-SAA sources and instead providing news on english langagua,sources like SOHR,Al-Masdar you provided them in arabic language and intentionally misinterpretate them and so breaking the rules of editing. Example on 15 januaryyou used pro-SAA sources and map sources to change Jihar Crossroad from Isis held to SAA ,that same day i reverted you on reason i mention above, but then you provided and misinterpretated a differnt, source in arabic which didn't confrimed that what you edited which is changing Jihar crossroad from Isis held to SAA intentionally,today news from Al-Masdar Confirms the capture of Jihar crossroad for the first time Al-Masdar. Lists129 ( talk) 13:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Mehmedsons so you intentionally are breaking the rules of editing!?,also you again used pro-SAA source to change Rasm Sirhan to SAA held and Hayan gas company to contested misinterpretating the source. Lists129 ( talk) 13:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Mehmedsons No problem,fixing unintentionally mistakes are virtue,just dont rush to edit.Feel free to ask me for help,I will gladly help you. As for other editors,Yes, I did revert Niele~enwiki for using Pro-biased source (SDF-kurdish) but he rv me on reasons that these sources are "reliable". Lists129 ( talk) 14:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Pardon me if this has been brought up before, but shouldn't we have a color for Turkish forces? Syriancivilwarmap.com does it and I think it's helpful. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 01:32, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
The claim that YPG handed the town of Tell Rifaat and nearby villages to SAA have been reverted, re-added and reverted again... The claim is based on this report, but the claim was denied in this report (translation here). I believe the area still is under SDF controll. Do we have more reliable info? Erlbaeko ( talk) 09:30, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Euphrates Shield DOES NOT control Tadef/al-Bab roundabout, ISIS pushed them back to the Sheikh Aqil and the hospital so there is no way they control it, it's ISIS held. Valewonca ( talk) 05:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Community opinion on this? Should Liwa Aqsa have its own colour or not? TheNavigatrr ( talk) 14:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Do we have an RS that confirms that Turkish forces are in control of Al-Bab? Reuters are saying Turkish state media and rebels said they "have seized the center of al-Bab town". [5] Al Masdar News are saying Turkish state media reported minutes ago that "Turkish Armed Forces and their rebel allies have imposed full control over" Al-Bab, but do not confirm it. They say "If these reports prove true...". [6] Aljazeera says that "other reports say street battles still ongoing." SOHR said that "more than half of Al Bab was still under ISIL control, and that battles continued". [7] I believe we need a better source before we change it from contested. Erlbaeko ( talk) 19:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
ISIS retreated but SAA and TAF/Rebels not enter yet to both these villages. According local source Sukariyah Kabirah and Sukariyah Saghirah in are largely disputed and both remain empty from SAA and TAF/Rebels. link Mehmedsons ( talk) 19:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
TheNavigatrr, i believe the village you changed here is the wrong Qarah. Iwan123Iwan, changed the correct Qarah here. Please, fix. Erlbaeko ( talk) 15:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
I have only seen pro opp sources claiming Fikhah Saghirah and Fikhah Kabirah (10 km east of Al-Bab) has been captured by ES. Do we have a neutral source? Erlbaeko ( talk) 16:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
The map has a blueish-grey color for
Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, which no longer exists and is now part of the much larger
Tahrir al-Sham. As a result, many of the currently-green towns in Idlib and Hama should now be changed to blue to reflect that the groups that controlled them have joined Tahrir al-Sham.
But I don't know how one would find out which of those green towns are now controlled by Tahrir al-Sham. What possible solutions are there to this problem?
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Manbij Military Council(MMC)/SDF announces agreement with Russia to hand over villages near(west) of Manbij at frontline between SDF and TAF/Rebelst to the Syrian army. link link link link link link link Mehmedsons ( talk) 11:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Erlbaeko ( talk) we need to wait to see which villages are ceded to SNR/SAA or government entity and to see if they are mixed control. I've seen it confirmed that there is an agreement in place but it does not list which villages "yet." Militaryconflict ( talk) 15:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
As someone who has watched this front for over half a year at this point, I would say wait until further details from reliable sources. Given the various reports circulating out there right now, the villages that the SDF allowed SAA forces to enter are only the ones that border the frontline with Turkish-backed rebel forces, as far as we know, and it's still possible that not every single village at the frontline has come under some form of SAA control (esp. in the north, where US forces are present). It's also likely that it's a form of joint SAA-SDF control, rather than a complete SDF handover. At best, the most we can do right now with the current sources would be to change all of the villages bordering the frontline with rebel forces to "mixed SAA-SDF control," but I strongly advise against this. Until we have more reliable sources detail exactly which villages will have an SAA presence (and to what extent), we should leave the frontline villages as they are right now. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 03:17, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Russian/Syrian armed forces will create a "buffer zone" between the Turkish-led Euphrates Shield operation and SDF. This comes after an agreement between Russia and MMC, to hand over some villages to Syrian government. link Mehmedsons ( talk) 12:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Please keep the known/proven fake-news from the map:
-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 19:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I got a source for the "buffer zone" to be made between Turkish-backed rebel forces and SDF forces. It will consist of about 20 villages, which are named in this source: Kurdish forces hand over 20 villages to the Syrian Army in rural Aleppo. I think that we should change those villages to joint SAA-SDF held, until there is confirmation that the SDF completely withdraws from those villages, at which point those villages can be changed to SAA-held (if that happens). LightandDark2000 ( talk) 05:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Affected villages should be changed to red. They are no longer under SDF. Various reports of confirmed hand-over even by SDF. At least make villages that we know for sure have been handed-over. Map is highly deceiving atm. Mozad655 ( talk) 14:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Kurdish village of Şêx Kêf Arabic: Sheikh Kif.
The village was captured by SDF around 25-26 November from Daesh with only indirect help of SAA that where directly participating simultaniously in the liberation of Tel Shair 5,7km to the SW.
Daesh attacked SDF positions inside Sheikh Kif from outside of the village with mortars on 12 November 2016.
Sources:
Daesh sources/statements indicating SDF/YPG in this village:
--> Şêx Kêf/Sheikh Kif is the stationing place of SDF inside mixed control area. But cooperation with SAA here is that large + reasonable amount of SDF-SAA mixed control sources validade mixed SDF-SAA control for this village.
I believe @CivilWarMap is a well known source, whose work has been published by reliable sources, but I am not sure if it "has a reputation for neutral (not biased) territorial control coverage" or not. Can we use it? (I used it here, but was reverted here, which btw was reverted here.) Erlbaeko ( talk) 20:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Mehmedsons why are you still editing with this map source??? Lists129 ( talk) 16:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
SDF now officially reached city limits! :-)
https://twitter.com/MHJournalist/status/843582617043767300
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/19-march-eastren-entrance-in-al-raqqa-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.190.211 ( talk) 23:53, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Somewhere deep within each of Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map, Template:Syrian and Iraqi insurgency detailed map and Template:Syrian, Iraqi, and Lebanese insurgencies detailed map there is a link to Qarah Baba - which redirects to a DAB page on which all the places mentioned are in Iran. Could someone who knows their way around these templates and this topic help fix this problem? Narky Blert ( talk) 15:34, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
According to this Al Masdar News article, Dayr Hafir was taken by SAA on 24 March 2017, but Yusha Yuseef, a reporter for Al Masdar News said later that the media report wasn't true, ref and on the map in this Al Masdar News article from today, the town is still marked as IS held. Do we have other sources and should we mark it as IS held or SAA held? Erlbaeko ( talk) 07:45, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Pro rebels editors based on little evidence if not twitter from pro-rebls guys or vague statements about rebels advances tuned all east Sweida green contradicting previous edit supported by al Masdar. I already reverted some changes but I cannot do more than one. Other revertings are necessary. Most edits are based on https://twitter.com/BosnjoBoy/status/846352394808180738 who does not mention any location. Paolowalter ( talk) 16:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Al-Masdar is pro-regime and unreliable,and is copying and pasting statements from SANA and Damascus now in this case. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:00, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Paolowalter stop editwarring,or i will report you to an admin. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC) Go ahead, please. Your unsupported edits needs to be reported to the admin. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Additional info on Sweida (I do not if reliable or not, but there are some pictures) https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/846376066256158720. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
It's already long since been decided that Al-Masdar is reliable and can be used here. Stop making trouble, Alhanuty. Kawada Kira ( talk) 08:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Both of local sources Al Masdar and SOHR say SAA and FSA take some points at east Suwayda after ISIS fleed toward Raqqa or Deir ez Zor. link link link link But why we put all gains to one side(FSA) on based a biased anti-SAA sources at Twitter. link link Both sides made gains and this confirm a crediable source SOHR. But why we ignored this? Mehmedsons ( talk) 16:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
reliable source,Bosno Sinjic said that regime didn't make a single advance in the area. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:01, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
only those,but the rest aren't regime controlled. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC) http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=63587,new SOHR reports says that they lost it to rebels only. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
they all agree that only Tal Saad was taken,but the rest were taken by FSA and proof,Bosno's tweet,so please revert Iwan123Iwan's edit Alhanuty ( talk) 18:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Only Tal Saad is the only one confirmed by video,the others aren't,so i suggest that Tal Saad stays under regime control and the rest under rebel control. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
SAA's only gain was tal saad via multiple sources,but for the rest Tulul Salman, Tulul Fadyan, Ushayhib,there is no loyalist visual or claim to it. Alhanuty ( talk) 21:56, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
A similar problem to the solved one (TY, Tradedia!) on Qarah Baba, just above. The same three templates all link to the DAB page Rabia. The intended link is presumably either to Rabia, Iraq or to Rabia, Syria. Narky Blert ( talk) 21:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
The problem is worse than I thought:
Narky Blert ( talk) 21:35, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
LightandDark2000 made this change using this source (a pro-Kurd Twitter account, very reliable I'm sure). However he even went farther than the source did. The source said SDF were trying to advance to Abu Asi town and Emad village, not that they had already entered the towns and were engaged in firefights with Daish members. So why did he change them to contested when they should be marked as Daish-held, even according to Kurdish sources? This should be changed back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.93.220 ( talk) 04:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
See this link. -- 霎起林野间 ( talk) 05:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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Add the ability to when you click on towns to see the gps coordinates GesturG ( talk) 12:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Sakhr is a DAB page. It is linked from Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War, Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map, Template:Syrian and Iraqi insurgency detailed map and Template:Syrian, Iraqi, and Lebanese insurgencies detailed map. I don't know what the link should be (except, that it shouldn't be to the DAB page). Narky Blert ( talk) 21:39, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
I know what ussers here think of Al Masdar but I just want to name a quick source, you can search in several other sources from different factions about SDF entering the city.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-kurdish-forces-storm-isis-bastion-western-raqqa/
Please, Tabqa should be contested now between IS and SDF. Valewonca ( talk) 18:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
At the end of last year I noted that a lot of data on the chart of Governorates and sites of Syria that is under the main map is outdated; the reponse from one of the ussers here was that that entire section was gona be removed from the page and there was no point in updating it, but, obviously, nothing has been done about this. What is the deal whit the chart? I would like to update it but I don't want to do anything whitout approval of the rest of the ussers here. Please even if we are still going to delete that part make sure to tell me if you can. Thank you. Valewonca ( talk) 03:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
According to Al masdar correspondent and many frontline reporters the army captured AL mahr Gasfield , jihar , Tall sawanah and all sorounding hills , they are marked as IS controled , they should be red
Here are some different sources :
Russian released map : https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/857315875233431553
Syrian frontline reporter Watanisy : https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/857314492698505216
NDF repoter : https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/857295736576364545
and the recent offensive on northeast homs : https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/858621252495441921
Syrian Army with NDF liberate tadmuryia , jbab Hamad , Ragem Al-Quser , Ragem Dergam , Tal Al-Ealam , Tal Trix villages E Homs CS
First i would like to thank LightandDark2000 for taking those edits into consideration and making the map more accurate . Syrian army started the offensive east of al Seen airbase and captured large territory ,the problem is that there are not "red points" on map on that area , and they should be added to make the territory red . At the moment the most accurate map of advance can be found in http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/8-may-saa-captured-jabal-sabihiat-and-other-hills-in-qalamoun
Sources confirmind this advance : NDF repoter : https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/861528664294514688
Batama area captured , https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/861291352205791232 This also includes Khan al Manqura quarries , wich are located there and are on map as IS controlled. Syrian army captured Jabal Sabihiat and other hills in #Qalamoun region
https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/861496295005057024
And here are Rebel sources confirming the advance https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/861525315872542720
Update and extra source : https://twitter.com/C_Military1/status/861918249893670912 Hezbollah media wing Map
https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/861920756711784450 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderM1 ( talk • contribs) 12:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Hope it gets done and the map becomes more usefull — Preceding
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According to this article posted today by Al-Masdar Habr Al-Gharbiyah in East Homs province north of the Tiyas Airbase is still under ISIL control, not government like in our map. Valewonca ( talk) 00:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Multiple media reports now confirming that Tabqa is under full SDF control. Can the contested symbol now please be removed? 91.84.77.203 ( talk) 19:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Done. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Syrian army captured Al talila and Talila reserve on map Sources Yusha Yussef and NDF
https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/862947563980378112
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_nbXe8V0AAbttK.jpg map
https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/862952337354235904
On Badia front , syrian army captured the mountainst of Sobihiyah and Rujm al Ma'mur on template map https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/862994785098924032 Yusha confirming that the mountain fallen .
Make red those dots :D
Talila is red now. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
According to this investigative report (at 4:00), there is a second border crossing between Idlib and Turkey at Khirbat al-Jawz (near Latakia). Can someone please add it to the map? Esn ( talk) 02:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Sanamayn has never been controlled by the rebels.Why is it purple???Please change it back!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GERALD710 ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't know. In December there was reconciliation agreement when rebel sleepercells handed their weapons to the government. City is open for citizens of government areas and state institutions are working. Sleeper cells or deal with islamist? Various map have various things about As-Sanamayn, same as clearly government-held Ghabaghib, Kanakir, Baytima. City is government, rebel-held or truce. Sorry, I'm Polish and my English is less. Warszawiak22 ( talk) 14:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Read http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/reconciliations-case-al-sanamayn-north-deraa/. We can set it red (gov control) or purple (truce). I guess that red is more appropriate. It is one of the areas where come kind of compromise has been established, so that most likely we will see no more fighting in the future. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
So Sanamayn have to be changed into red, please someone can do that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.227.191 ( talk) 17:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
From zaza checkpoint to palmyra all is red
https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/867795333790781440
So Tulul al sawt mountain chain and jabal abdah and two black hills , all should be red
Hezbollah also confirmed this with a released map https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAsiGQNXcAA0ZfP.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderM1 ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC) more precisly
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.943360&lon=37.927551&z=9&m=b&gz=0;369518280;335310924;0;1081117;1229094;955342;2224731;577907;4339598;497824;6475067;858139;10025023;1143998;12215423;0;12874602;17171;13547514;303307;13691711;1041099;12682342;1783974;11906432;3917580;13465118;6307255;13829040;6704879;16706085;9131987;15950775;11015504;15246963;11354423;14910507;11464542;14045332;11633927;13540648;11495598;13499449;11433484;13231657;11055052;13046263;10970304;12702941;11139791;12545013;11422189;11975096;12330863;11460112;12607217;10883330;12612857;10375213;13030030;10423278;13548383;9867095;13908784;9324645;13835590;8246612;13266710;7793425;12748180;7621765;12364707;7305908;12009273;6832121;11738363;6097412;11422189;5925749;11399601;5225372;11405249;4106140;11405249;3186035;11371365;2931975;11591584;2804945;11848432;2887344;12079809;2839279;12361888;2945708;12488791;3158569;12567744;3512191;12649509;3742218;12801739;3869247;13106113 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderM1 ( talk • contribs) 17:38, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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Syrian army and allies captured al halbah area , this is confirmed by official page of NSA rebels . Make it Red , and put a new map in front page ,because the area of ulainia , and and halbah , kufaynis , sawanah saba, biyar , zaza cp ,till the saligm crossroads the are black and green , it gives confusion .
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Why is Mansurah SDF controlled in our map? This change was made several days ago and I haven't seen a single source saying that SDF even entered Mansurah; there is actually several reports of coalition airstrikes still happening inside the town on IS posts and there are pictures of the Mansurah water tanks being detonated whit explosives by IS. SDF seems to be trying to encircle Mansurah but they haven't entered the town yet. Please change Mansurah to ISIS held for now. Valewonca ( talk) 15:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Paolowalter in revision 782514682 of Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map, I think you meant to change the control of the Khunayfis southwest of Palmyra (lat = 34.229, long = 37.791), not the one southeast of Hama (lat = 34.951, long = 36.999). I'd fix this myself, but I'm not extended-autoconfirmed. -- Cirrus87 ( talk) 15:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Recent reports (Like this one and this one) are saying that SAA is 6km away from the town of Arak. Notably, the Arak Gas Field is marked as government held on our map, but as you can see here in this map the gas field is only 2km north of the town, 4km less of distance than what pro-SAA sources are saying that government troops are from the town. Yes, it was reported that the gas field was under SAA control a few days ago but they most likely retreated and SAA sources didn't report on that like they sometimes do. So I suggest we change the Arak Gas Field to IS held back for now. Valewonca ( talk) 16:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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Change "Khunayfis" town back to SDF control. No substantial evidence that the Popular Mobilization Units of Iraq have captured this town has been presented. Only one user, Beshogur, made this change. He did so using a source whose link is broken. No other news outlets have reported on the PMU entering Syria through the Sinjar region, and Iraq attacking the Syrian Kurds would be widely reported if it does happen. TheNavigatrr ( talk) 23:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
The map on the front is totally wrong , it confuses people , saba biyar, zaza cp , ulainia , al halba , til Salighm crossroads are goverment controlled, but on map they are all green , please make new map , to make this site more accurate and stop the confusion
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I don't know why? He said that 'Almasdar' news is pro government, but it has nothing to do with Almasdar, because it's the official statement of the Syrian Armed Forces. Meanwhile Ahmedo Semsurî says: We can't use x source for x edits.., why? You're using unreliable sources such as Anha, ANF for SDF edits, we didn't said anything.. Beshogur ( talk) 16:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Niele~enwiki, what are your sources about the "neutral zone"? A Kurdish guy said this group is ally of SAA and NDF but "in heart" SDF. This doesn't matter, if they're ally of SAA/NDF they're ally of SAA/NDF. Your edits doesn't prove anything. Beshogur ( talk) 12:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Per Local sources: SAA controlled the Kafr Qaris, Tall Susayn, Kafr Saghir, Fafin, Babinnis,Mahatah,Muslamiyah Cement Factory and Aleppo Infantry College. Link Link Mehmedsons ( talk) 13:28, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes only SAA controlled this area in north Aleppo no YPG / PKK there change that in full red again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.209.133.27 ( talk) 14:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Please stop with it! You can't find any local source about that, let sources. It's just a Twitter talk, not anything. Beshogur ( talk) 17:27, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
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I do not know how to change the Aleppo label location to be away from the area of Kurdish-Turkish-Daish clashes. Right now it obstructs the view of this area. Can anyone please fix? Coneleir ( talk) 17:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
I am concerned that pro-government media sources are being used to indicate JaN presence in rebel-held towns. Whilst JaN are undoubtedly in lots of places, sites like farsnews have a vested interest in exaggerating their presence, and we don't use them as reliable sources for determining territory (so we shouldn't use them for determining whether something is purely rebel-held, or whether there is a JaN element in it). Even Al-Masdar does this, and in the past, we stuck to the convention of ignoring these sites when it came to determining a JaN presence unless:
- We were adding a new point to the map, in which case less referencing is required - The JaN presence was claimed to be present by pro-opposition sources - The JaN presence was claimed to be present by relatively unbiased international sources, such as the BBC and the Guardian
Shouldn't we stick to this convention now? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:51, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Pbfreespace3, you should not use Google translate. I don't know if you speak small Arabic like me, but the article is talking about the road on Nayrabiyah, thus SDF made gain on the road, not captured the village. Beshogur ( talk) 21:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I am concerned about 3 related edits. One is by User:PutItOnAMap; the second and third by User:Pbfreespace3. The edits used the source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-routes-isis-deir-ezzor-airport/ with the edit summary: “IS could not be attacking the soothern perimeter without control of these areas.” Basically, the source does not say that these military bases are ISIS-held. The editors made the indirect inference that they must be ISIS-held because ISIS is attacking the airport to the north of them. However, I am not certain that ISIS could not attack the airport while bypassing them. Also, one of the bases is the “137th Brigade Headquarters”, which is a big deal. If its control changes, then someone must have talked about it… Therefore, I am asking all the regulars here ( User:Mehmedsons, etc…) and others to give their opinion about these edits. Can you find recent sources that help us establish who controls these military bases? How are our competitors (other map makers) representing these military bases control status? Thank you for any help. Tradedia talk 16:28, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Azraq village was still rebel-held, and I said this several times, while Pbfreespace3 reverted my edits without any source. Hassan Ridha is very reliable source and he said Azraq village is not under SDF or SAA control but FSA. I hope someone can understand me. Beshogur ( talk) 08:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Can we ban Syrian Civil War Map as a source from this template? This guy who does maps Tweet anything about northern Aleppo and most users here use this account as a source. This source should be banned. Beshogur ( talk) 17:16, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
On the Damascus map, in the bottom left, Khan ash-Shih, Zaqqiyah and in fact all the areas still rebel green have been surrendered to the SAAF and the rebels bussed to Idlib. Some areas in the top, south of Al-Tall, in purple, seem to be SAAF controlled. On the other hand I have one source that says Kiswah (village to the east of Zaqiyah) is still rebel held. Either way it needs an update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.53.239 ( talk) 15:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
According to this article Hezbollah/SAA is not targeting rebels inside Zabadani anymore due to a new ceasefire agreement, so it should be back to truce or rebel held, but not contested. Valewonca ( talk) 19:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/militants-surrender-east-aleppo-map/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.204.138.233 ( talk) 11:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Aleppo now is under the Syrian Government. It was recaptured in 12/12/2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quananhsystem ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
When this job will be definitly done, please remove the Template map and put a big red point, it's better for the map, too much problems with this map since they have been cuted specially on smartphone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.162.72.180 ( talk) 17:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Same source hours latter reported 100% is under army control
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/militants-surrender-east-aleppo-map/ — Preceding
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The turkish army has invaded (thats the right word?) syria, but in the map it is not published. can this be fixed? -- 2A02:8109:9A40:1778:F0B1:8723:C8E4:3454 ( talk) 00:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that they are backing rebels in northern Aleppo and they do not have independant positions or base so it's not easy to report this presence on the map, maybe we should change the name of the rebel pocket north of Aleppo as "turkish backed rebels" and change the color like a light green 82.233.227.191 ( talk) 13:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I always thought it was a mistake to differentiate Al Qaeda from other rebel groups, given the evolution of the situation this distinction will become less and less relevant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.165.65.251 ( talk) 21:08, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
I think it will be better to remove the aleppo map on the map and replace it with a big red point in order to lighten it, because this map is responsable of many problems, we can keep it in the page Wikipedia of the battle of aleppo, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.162.111.169 ( talk) 18:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
This map has gotten very sloppy in the past 2 weeks. The dots representing towns are in many cases no longer circular, and I now see some villages in northern Raqqa demarcated as '?' and 'clashes near [other village's name].' This really isn't an acceptable standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.124.119 ( talk) 16:56, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
As I said, we have to remove the Aleppo map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.166.61.218 ( talk) 02:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
We should add many locations in the Syrian desert close to the Jordanian borders, these may help:
also al_Shi'ab is under IS control (not Regime) 3bdulelah ( talk) 12:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't even know why the entire area is government held in the first place, sure, there was an agreement but rebels never left the Valley, and now that the ceasefire is broken the villages should be back to rebel held, whit the exception of Basimah, Ain al-Fijah and Ayn al Khadra, wiche were captured by SAA this week. Valewonca ( talk) 23:32, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Also, i'm wondering why Bassima was removed. It wasn't on the map for the whole time the Syrian army and terrorists were fighting over it, it was briefly added to the map after the Syrian army captured it, then it was removed from the map again. That seems to happen a lot with towns in the Damascus area. I've seen it many times with East Ghouta. It can make it hard to find out what's happening where. I keep having to go to Google to find the location of towns that don't exist on this map, where important battles are happening. Seems to defeat the purpose of the map. Kawada Kira ( talk) 00:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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{ lat = 35.886, long = 36.4415, mark = m.stable_opp_JaN, marksize = 5, label = " Aqrabat", link = "Aqrabat", label_size = 0 },
Here is the source for this change which says America struck a Jabhat Fatah al-Sham convoy (indicates strong presence) at Aqrabat.
Here is the location of the strike, the photos confirm it. TheNavigatrr ( talk) 16:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
and had since then always been in hands of SDF.
Yet still it is faulty marked for a month as exclusively SAA controlled...
Sources:
-> Vavinê / Fafin is by certainty and a abundance of sourcing under SDF control.-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 16:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
With sources reporting the last SAA left Sha'alê village it is time to adjust the situation in this area to the reality and sources. Sources for this: twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/824924874271498241, twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/824926459806498817, twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/824936237765128192, twitter.com/SariZagros/status/824926365216567296, twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/824918327105462272, twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/824944766185975808, twitter.com/Infos_MENA/status/824948309919936512 (SAA left, SDF entered), isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-january-shaale-village-west-of-albab-reportedly-under, twitter.com/DersimKerkuk/status/825056721236324352, twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/825037818158206976
The map in this was subject to NPOV pushing by 2 Turkish users that falsly represented the neutral SNR as part of SAA and hide formal SDF-groups (YPG/Akrad) presence in these villages.
This with the objective to limit SDF presence/succes on the map, in the vicinity of Al-Bab and Turkish Euphrate Shield main strategic and symbolic objective.
Some pro-SAA media outlets stated the capture of villages by SDF+SNR together with other villages captured by SAA+SNR as a whole a succes/victory SAA+allies. Those pro-SAA media outlets SDF and SNR refering to as allies, so they could inflate SAA succes by presenting it maximal as SAA succes without strictly lying.
In a violation to the rule -3- WP:POV 'intentional misinterpretation of sources' they changed all these villages from mixed SDF-SAA to SAA. intentional misinterpretating the source as if all villages where under exlusifly SAA control, and deliberate ignoring all masive/reliable sourcing about SDF precense in these villages.
Second in violation to the rule -3- WP:POV 'intentional misinterpretation of sources' they claimed/represented the Syrian National Resistance as part of SAA while it is a officially independent neutral politicial coalition allied with both the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian Ba'athist government The SNR having declared beeing "a key player in improving regional relations between the SAA and Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF)".[3] Nevertheless, the Syrian National Resistance denies a direct affiliation to either faction.[4] Rezan Hedo has stated that he counts on the support of both loyalists as well as opponents to the Ba'athist government. And turning all villages SNR is active to exlusifly SAA ignoring SDF presence. See sourcing /info/en/?search=Syrian_National_Resistance
In a effort to push this throuh they personnally attacked all users that reverted them. Getting valuable user pbfreespace3 banned from wikipedia bc of breaking an old 1/week revert rule he had from the past. As a result the map is no longer correct and villages with no SAA presence inside them like Xirbat Dîwar/Sêsan/Khirbat Duwayr or Vavinê/Fafin it is ridiculous to falsly represent as SAA controlled on this map.
To bring this map again to a reliable and sourced state I summ up all sources for these villages getting things straight.-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Liberated by SDF(+SNR?) on 27 november 2016 with indirect support of SAA. Under mixed control of mainly the Syrian Democratic Forces(SDF), Syrian Resistance Forces (SNR). The last SAA presence left the village around 26-27 January 2017, leaving it only to SDF and SNR.
Sources: (1) twitter.com/etdbrief_ro_1/status/816974661481218048 (No ES presence) (2) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/816965482284609536 (No ES presence) (3) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802891734648700928 (SDF control) (4) twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/824924874271498241 (SDF control) (5) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/824926459806498817 (SDF control) (6) twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/824936237765128192 (SDF control) (7) twitter.com/SariZagros/status/824926365216567296 (SDF control) (8) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/824918327105462272 (SDF control) (9) twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/824944766185975808 (SDF control) (10) twitter.com/Infos_MENA/status/824948309919936512 (SAA left, SDF entered) (11) isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-january-shaale-village-west-of-albab-reportedly-under (SDF control) (12) twitter.com/DersimKerkuk/status/825056721236324352 (SDF control) (13) twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/825037818158206976 (SDF control) (14) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/802846596505313281 (SAA+neutral Kurds/SNR control-old)
All present day sources claim 'SDF' control -> SDF control-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
13 dec 2012 Taken by Tawheed-Brigade. Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKsa5TQwJO4
Taken by Daesh in 2014
27 nov 2016: SDF reached edge of Radar base. Sources: twitter.com/valeriobrl/status/802954385114431488, twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/802932520975269892
5 januari 2017: Daesh still controlles radar base. Source: twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/816965482284609536
SAA captured base from Daesh and maintains control: (15) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/824015543791403010 (SAA-control) (16) twitter.com/EmmanuelGMay/status/825088120706199553 (SAA-control) (17) twitter.com/xer6xes/status/824966848127066112 (SAA-control)
--> SAA control-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Captured by SDF on 23 november 2016. Under mixed control of mainly the Syrian Democratic forces (SDF) and possibly some Syrian Resistance Forces (Kafr Saguir Martyr's Brigade neutral force) Part of cooperation with SAA.-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Sources: (18) twitter.com/vivarevolt/status/801544324982984707 (SDF control) (19) twitter.com/Pyrmha108/status/801640212929662977 (SDF control) (20) twitter.com/agitpapa/status/802424655596421121 (SDF control) (21) twitter.com/EmmanuelGMay/status/801562029794459648 (SDF/YPG control) (22) twitter.com/SemirHemzaa/status/801495755366236168 (Al Akrad=SDF control) (23) twitter.com/KurdishYPJYPG/status/801524598156181504 (Al Akrad=SDF control) (24) twitter.com/gdk9933/status/812304093599371264 (YPG=SDF control) (25) twitter.com/archicivilians/status/802898450161405953 (SDF+SAA cooperation) (26) twitter.com/AkEl_Saruman/status/802836175249674242 (pro-Turk source: PKK is propaganda-talk for YPG/SDF control) (27) twitter.com/melisaraimmo/status/802160509097308160 (SDF control) (28) twitter.com/AndreaDePoliAS/status/802149882190512129 (SDF control) (29) twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/801911186862247938 ('only' SDF control) (30) twitter.com/SemirHemzaa/status/801849608477507585 (neutral SNR-control) (31) twitter.com/FatihMertTokgoz/status/801844014697840641 (YPG=SDF control) (32) twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/801835640262377472 (SDF+SAA cooperation) (33) twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran/status/801794315559305216 (SDF+SNR+SAA cooperation) (34) twitter.com/Gjoene/status/801783387887456256 (SDF control) (35) twitter.com/Iteration23/status/801731329603805185 (geolocating confirmation of SDF) (36) twitter.com/ibrahim_gezici/status/801648737395286016 (SDF control) (37) twitter.com/ritchiepage2001/status/801603960436047874 (SDF/Rojava control) (38) twitter.com/EdmapsCom/status/801584157063266306 (SDF control) (39) twitter.com/bzdt5/status/801570848817680384 (SDF control) (40) twitter.com/Gjoene/status/801558705418502144 (SDF control) (41) twitter.com/daancrz/status/801551996742488075 (SDF control) (42) twitter.com/agit021/status/801549795458502657 (SDF/YPG control) (43) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/801548129166381061 (SDF control) (44) twitter.com/JiKurdistan/status/801547950996459520 (SDF control) (45) twitter.com/melisaraimmo/status/801545706808995840 (SDF control) (46) twitter.com/Mexlumy/status/801544753120743424 (SDF control) (47) twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/801544803137810432 (SOHR: SDF control)
--> All sources specific to this village, including Turkish, claim SDF control, including 'Rojava, Akrad=SDF, YPG=SDF, 'PKK',...) --> SDF control -- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Liberated by SDF(+SNR?) on 26-27 november 2016 with indirect support of SAA. Under mixed control of mainly the Syrian Democratic forces (SDF) and possibly some Syrian Resistance Forces (Kafr Saguir Martyr's Brigade neutral force) Part of cooperation with SAA.
Sources: (48) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802495094570053632 (SNR control) (49) twitter.com/KurdisCat/status/802849111795990528 (SDF control) (50) twitter.com/DuhokDersim/status/802499139019763712 (SDF control) (60) twitter.com/yadobrindar/status/802496954060181504 (SDF control) (61) twitter.com/EndiZentarmi/status/802729059285340160 (SDF control) (62) twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/812302238420992000 (YPG=SDF control + SNR=neutral) (63) twitter.com/Donmkenya/status/812326510770143232 (YPG=SDF control + SNR=neutral)
--> SDF control-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Liberated by SDF(+SNR?) on 26 november 2016 with indirect support of SAA. Under mixed control of neutral Syrian Resistance Forces (Kafr Saguir Martyr's Brigade), Syrian Democratic forces with Part of cooperation with SAA with possible presence.
Sources: (64) twitter.com/SPQR_XXI/status/802487867842973696 (SDF control, no SAA) (65) twitter.com/yadobrindar/status/802496954060181504 (SDF control) (66) twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802495094570053632 (SNR+SDF/Kurdish forces control) (67) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802452293836804096 (SDF control) (68) twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/812302238420992000 (SNR+SAA control) (69) twitter.com/Hurro_Mitanni/status/824894478888493058 (SDF control) (70) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802452293836804096 (SDF control)
->Mixed SDF-SAA control (bc of SRO claiming of SAA presence and several sources+2sources SNR)-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 13:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Mostly a pro-SDF/PYD sources. According pro-SDF(SRO) source no more SDF in Cobe/Juba and Kashkeshshat. Only pro-regime militias. Most SDF left the mixed area north of Aleppo and the last YPG, Shahba Women a present are in Xirbet Diwar, Narbiyah and Ta'anah. link link link link link No the neutral militias more at this area and YPG just a have positions at three villages all other areas SAA controlled. link link Mehmedsons ( talk) 16:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Stop NPOV pushing. You're NPOV claims are simply ridiculous and this has to stop, this is damaging the reliability of this map and making a joke of it.
-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 18:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I thought Twitter CANNOT be used to edit this map, so why is Neile-enwiki using twitter sources to claim that the SAA is at war with SDF in Aleppo??No News site has stated such an event is happening!! -- GERALD710)( talk)
I agree Joint control is the best option here for the villages inside the Kafr Kashir neutral zone area. With the exception of:
All other villages should be joint control. -- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 02:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
"#breaking :#SDF has liberated Al Nayrabiyah from #IS West of #AlBab source:SOHR" <-- It's quite clear. Syrian Army is other tweet about SAA-SDF cooperation Jubah& SheikhKeif.
Twitter sources are not considered valid on this page as anyone can post what they want on Twitter. One can use Pro SDF soures when reporting on the likes of ISIS advancing and the SAA, the same way we use Al Masdar when reporting on ISIS and the rebels advances and SOHR on the SAA advances as well as ISIS ones. Credible news sites like Reuters can be used as well, but not Twitter Sources.Same applies to maps. You used a Twitter source to modify the map to show that the SAA and SDF were clashing at Al Khashkhāshāt. This was later rectified but such edits are what damage the credibility of a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GERALD710 ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
At 29/01/2017 SAA take back the three villages that formely was SDF controlled at the Shalee area. They also demanded to SDF handed control of the Shaallee silos to SAA. link Mehmedsons ( talk) 15:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
(1) twitter.com/etdbrief_ro_1/status/816974661481218048 (No ES presence) (2) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/816965482284609536 (No ES presence) (3) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/802891734648700928 (SDF control) (4) twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/824924874271498241 (SDF control) (5) twitter.com/warcoresponted/status/824926459806498817 (SDF control) (6) twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/824936237765128192 (SDF control) (7) twitter.com/SariZagros/status/824926365216567296 (SDF control) (8) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/824918327105462272 (SDF control) (9) twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/824944766185975808 (SDF control) (10) twitter.com/Infos_MENA/status/824948309919936512 (SAA left, SDF entered) (11) isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-january-shaale-village-west-of-albab-reportedly-under (SDF control) (12) twitter.com/DersimKerkuk/status/825056721236324352 (SDF control) (13) twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/825037818158206976 (SDF control) (14) twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/802846596505313281 (SAA+neutral Kurds/SNR control-old)
You do not understand the main! We do not a lot sources, we need one source but a reliable. No one of your sources not make mention that SAA left Sha'le. But I provide source at 29/01/2017 not from Twitter: SAA take back 3 villages that formely was SDF controlled at Shalee area. link We can put village Sha'le as mixed SAA/SDF and close the topic. Mehmedsons ( talk) 09:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that many pro-side and many unreliable sources are being used by some editors recently and many misinterpation of them and so breaking the rules of editing intentionally.
Mehmedsons some of the sources you use to edit are pro-SAA sources and instead providing news on english langagua,sources like SOHR,Al-Masdar you provided them in arabic language and intentionally misinterpretate them and so breaking the rules of editing. Example on 15 januaryyou used pro-SAA sources and map sources to change Jihar Crossroad from Isis held to SAA ,that same day i reverted you on reason i mention above, but then you provided and misinterpretated a differnt, source in arabic which didn't confrimed that what you edited which is changing Jihar crossroad from Isis held to SAA intentionally,today news from Al-Masdar Confirms the capture of Jihar crossroad for the first time Al-Masdar. Lists129 ( talk) 13:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Mehmedsons so you intentionally are breaking the rules of editing!?,also you again used pro-SAA source to change Rasm Sirhan to SAA held and Hayan gas company to contested misinterpretating the source. Lists129 ( talk) 13:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Mehmedsons No problem,fixing unintentionally mistakes are virtue,just dont rush to edit.Feel free to ask me for help,I will gladly help you. As for other editors,Yes, I did revert Niele~enwiki for using Pro-biased source (SDF-kurdish) but he rv me on reasons that these sources are "reliable". Lists129 ( talk) 14:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Pardon me if this has been brought up before, but shouldn't we have a color for Turkish forces? Syriancivilwarmap.com does it and I think it's helpful. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 01:32, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
The claim that YPG handed the town of Tell Rifaat and nearby villages to SAA have been reverted, re-added and reverted again... The claim is based on this report, but the claim was denied in this report (translation here). I believe the area still is under SDF controll. Do we have more reliable info? Erlbaeko ( talk) 09:30, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Euphrates Shield DOES NOT control Tadef/al-Bab roundabout, ISIS pushed them back to the Sheikh Aqil and the hospital so there is no way they control it, it's ISIS held. Valewonca ( talk) 05:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Community opinion on this? Should Liwa Aqsa have its own colour or not? TheNavigatrr ( talk) 14:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Do we have an RS that confirms that Turkish forces are in control of Al-Bab? Reuters are saying Turkish state media and rebels said they "have seized the center of al-Bab town". [5] Al Masdar News are saying Turkish state media reported minutes ago that "Turkish Armed Forces and their rebel allies have imposed full control over" Al-Bab, but do not confirm it. They say "If these reports prove true...". [6] Aljazeera says that "other reports say street battles still ongoing." SOHR said that "more than half of Al Bab was still under ISIL control, and that battles continued". [7] I believe we need a better source before we change it from contested. Erlbaeko ( talk) 19:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
ISIS retreated but SAA and TAF/Rebels not enter yet to both these villages. According local source Sukariyah Kabirah and Sukariyah Saghirah in are largely disputed and both remain empty from SAA and TAF/Rebels. link Mehmedsons ( talk) 19:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
TheNavigatrr, i believe the village you changed here is the wrong Qarah. Iwan123Iwan, changed the correct Qarah here. Please, fix. Erlbaeko ( talk) 15:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
I have only seen pro opp sources claiming Fikhah Saghirah and Fikhah Kabirah (10 km east of Al-Bab) has been captured by ES. Do we have a neutral source? Erlbaeko ( talk) 16:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
The map has a blueish-grey color for
Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, which no longer exists and is now part of the much larger
Tahrir al-Sham. As a result, many of the currently-green towns in Idlib and Hama should now be changed to blue to reflect that the groups that controlled them have joined Tahrir al-Sham.
But I don't know how one would find out which of those green towns are now controlled by Tahrir al-Sham. What possible solutions are there to this problem?
Chessrat (
talk,
contributions)
14:28, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Manbij Military Council(MMC)/SDF announces agreement with Russia to hand over villages near(west) of Manbij at frontline between SDF and TAF/Rebelst to the Syrian army. link link link link link link link Mehmedsons ( talk) 11:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Erlbaeko ( talk) we need to wait to see which villages are ceded to SNR/SAA or government entity and to see if they are mixed control. I've seen it confirmed that there is an agreement in place but it does not list which villages "yet." Militaryconflict ( talk) 15:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
As someone who has watched this front for over half a year at this point, I would say wait until further details from reliable sources. Given the various reports circulating out there right now, the villages that the SDF allowed SAA forces to enter are only the ones that border the frontline with Turkish-backed rebel forces, as far as we know, and it's still possible that not every single village at the frontline has come under some form of SAA control (esp. in the north, where US forces are present). It's also likely that it's a form of joint SAA-SDF control, rather than a complete SDF handover. At best, the most we can do right now with the current sources would be to change all of the villages bordering the frontline with rebel forces to "mixed SAA-SDF control," but I strongly advise against this. Until we have more reliable sources detail exactly which villages will have an SAA presence (and to what extent), we should leave the frontline villages as they are right now. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 03:17, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Russian/Syrian armed forces will create a "buffer zone" between the Turkish-led Euphrates Shield operation and SDF. This comes after an agreement between Russia and MMC, to hand over some villages to Syrian government. link Mehmedsons ( talk) 12:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Please keep the known/proven fake-news from the map:
-- Niele~enwiki ( talk) 19:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I got a source for the "buffer zone" to be made between Turkish-backed rebel forces and SDF forces. It will consist of about 20 villages, which are named in this source: Kurdish forces hand over 20 villages to the Syrian Army in rural Aleppo. I think that we should change those villages to joint SAA-SDF held, until there is confirmation that the SDF completely withdraws from those villages, at which point those villages can be changed to SAA-held (if that happens). LightandDark2000 ( talk) 05:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Affected villages should be changed to red. They are no longer under SDF. Various reports of confirmed hand-over even by SDF. At least make villages that we know for sure have been handed-over. Map is highly deceiving atm. Mozad655 ( talk) 14:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Kurdish village of Şêx Kêf Arabic: Sheikh Kif.
The village was captured by SDF around 25-26 November from Daesh with only indirect help of SAA that where directly participating simultaniously in the liberation of Tel Shair 5,7km to the SW.
Daesh attacked SDF positions inside Sheikh Kif from outside of the village with mortars on 12 November 2016.
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Daesh sources/statements indicating SDF/YPG in this village:
--> Şêx Kêf/Sheikh Kif is the stationing place of SDF inside mixed control area. But cooperation with SAA here is that large + reasonable amount of SDF-SAA mixed control sources validade mixed SDF-SAA control for this village.
I believe @CivilWarMap is a well known source, whose work has been published by reliable sources, but I am not sure if it "has a reputation for neutral (not biased) territorial control coverage" or not. Can we use it? (I used it here, but was reverted here, which btw was reverted here.) Erlbaeko ( talk) 20:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Mehmedsons why are you still editing with this map source??? Lists129 ( talk) 16:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
SDF now officially reached city limits! :-)
https://twitter.com/MHJournalist/status/843582617043767300
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/19-march-eastren-entrance-in-al-raqqa-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.190.211 ( talk) 23:53, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Somewhere deep within each of Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map, Template:Syrian and Iraqi insurgency detailed map and Template:Syrian, Iraqi, and Lebanese insurgencies detailed map there is a link to Qarah Baba - which redirects to a DAB page on which all the places mentioned are in Iran. Could someone who knows their way around these templates and this topic help fix this problem? Narky Blert ( talk) 15:34, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
According to this Al Masdar News article, Dayr Hafir was taken by SAA on 24 March 2017, but Yusha Yuseef, a reporter for Al Masdar News said later that the media report wasn't true, ref and on the map in this Al Masdar News article from today, the town is still marked as IS held. Do we have other sources and should we mark it as IS held or SAA held? Erlbaeko ( talk) 07:45, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Pro rebels editors based on little evidence if not twitter from pro-rebls guys or vague statements about rebels advances tuned all east Sweida green contradicting previous edit supported by al Masdar. I already reverted some changes but I cannot do more than one. Other revertings are necessary. Most edits are based on https://twitter.com/BosnjoBoy/status/846352394808180738 who does not mention any location. Paolowalter ( talk) 16:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Al-Masdar is pro-regime and unreliable,and is copying and pasting statements from SANA and Damascus now in this case. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:00, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Paolowalter stop editwarring,or i will report you to an admin. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC) Go ahead, please. Your unsupported edits needs to be reported to the admin. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Additional info on Sweida (I do not if reliable or not, but there are some pictures) https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/846376066256158720. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
It's already long since been decided that Al-Masdar is reliable and can be used here. Stop making trouble, Alhanuty. Kawada Kira ( talk) 08:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Both of local sources Al Masdar and SOHR say SAA and FSA take some points at east Suwayda after ISIS fleed toward Raqqa or Deir ez Zor. link link link link But why we put all gains to one side(FSA) on based a biased anti-SAA sources at Twitter. link link Both sides made gains and this confirm a crediable source SOHR. But why we ignored this? Mehmedsons ( talk) 16:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
reliable source,Bosno Sinjic said that regime didn't make a single advance in the area. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:01, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
only those,but the rest aren't regime controlled. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC) http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=63587,new SOHR reports says that they lost it to rebels only. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
they all agree that only Tal Saad was taken,but the rest were taken by FSA and proof,Bosno's tweet,so please revert Iwan123Iwan's edit Alhanuty ( talk) 18:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Only Tal Saad is the only one confirmed by video,the others aren't,so i suggest that Tal Saad stays under regime control and the rest under rebel control. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
SAA's only gain was tal saad via multiple sources,but for the rest Tulul Salman, Tulul Fadyan, Ushayhib,there is no loyalist visual or claim to it. Alhanuty ( talk) 21:56, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
A similar problem to the solved one (TY, Tradedia!) on Qarah Baba, just above. The same three templates all link to the DAB page Rabia. The intended link is presumably either to Rabia, Iraq or to Rabia, Syria. Narky Blert ( talk) 21:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
The problem is worse than I thought:
Narky Blert ( talk) 21:35, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
LightandDark2000 made this change using this source (a pro-Kurd Twitter account, very reliable I'm sure). However he even went farther than the source did. The source said SDF were trying to advance to Abu Asi town and Emad village, not that they had already entered the towns and were engaged in firefights with Daish members. So why did he change them to contested when they should be marked as Daish-held, even according to Kurdish sources? This should be changed back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.93.220 ( talk) 04:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
See this link. -- 霎起林野间 ( talk) 05:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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Add the ability to when you click on towns to see the gps coordinates GesturG ( talk) 12:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Sakhr is a DAB page. It is linked from Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War, Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map, Template:Syrian and Iraqi insurgency detailed map and Template:Syrian, Iraqi, and Lebanese insurgencies detailed map. I don't know what the link should be (except, that it shouldn't be to the DAB page). Narky Blert ( talk) 21:39, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
I know what ussers here think of Al Masdar but I just want to name a quick source, you can search in several other sources from different factions about SDF entering the city.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-kurdish-forces-storm-isis-bastion-western-raqqa/
Please, Tabqa should be contested now between IS and SDF. Valewonca ( talk) 18:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
At the end of last year I noted that a lot of data on the chart of Governorates and sites of Syria that is under the main map is outdated; the reponse from one of the ussers here was that that entire section was gona be removed from the page and there was no point in updating it, but, obviously, nothing has been done about this. What is the deal whit the chart? I would like to update it but I don't want to do anything whitout approval of the rest of the ussers here. Please even if we are still going to delete that part make sure to tell me if you can. Thank you. Valewonca ( talk) 03:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
According to Al masdar correspondent and many frontline reporters the army captured AL mahr Gasfield , jihar , Tall sawanah and all sorounding hills , they are marked as IS controled , they should be red
Here are some different sources :
Russian released map : https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/857315875233431553
Syrian frontline reporter Watanisy : https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/857314492698505216
NDF repoter : https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/857295736576364545
and the recent offensive on northeast homs : https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/858621252495441921
Syrian Army with NDF liberate tadmuryia , jbab Hamad , Ragem Al-Quser , Ragem Dergam , Tal Al-Ealam , Tal Trix villages E Homs CS
First i would like to thank LightandDark2000 for taking those edits into consideration and making the map more accurate . Syrian army started the offensive east of al Seen airbase and captured large territory ,the problem is that there are not "red points" on map on that area , and they should be added to make the territory red . At the moment the most accurate map of advance can be found in http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/8-may-saa-captured-jabal-sabihiat-and-other-hills-in-qalamoun
Sources confirmind this advance : NDF repoter : https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/861528664294514688
Batama area captured , https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/861291352205791232 This also includes Khan al Manqura quarries , wich are located there and are on map as IS controlled. Syrian army captured Jabal Sabihiat and other hills in #Qalamoun region
https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/861496295005057024
And here are Rebel sources confirming the advance https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/861525315872542720
Update and extra source : https://twitter.com/C_Military1/status/861918249893670912 Hezbollah media wing Map
https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/861920756711784450 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderM1 ( talk • contribs) 12:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Hope it gets done and the map becomes more usefull — Preceding
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According to this article posted today by Al-Masdar Habr Al-Gharbiyah in East Homs province north of the Tiyas Airbase is still under ISIL control, not government like in our map. Valewonca ( talk) 00:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Multiple media reports now confirming that Tabqa is under full SDF control. Can the contested symbol now please be removed? 91.84.77.203 ( talk) 19:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Done. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Syrian army captured Al talila and Talila reserve on map Sources Yusha Yussef and NDF
https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/862947563980378112
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_nbXe8V0AAbttK.jpg map
https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/862952337354235904
On Badia front , syrian army captured the mountainst of Sobihiyah and Rujm al Ma'mur on template map https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/862994785098924032 Yusha confirming that the mountain fallen .
Make red those dots :D
Talila is red now. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
According to this investigative report (at 4:00), there is a second border crossing between Idlib and Turkey at Khirbat al-Jawz (near Latakia). Can someone please add it to the map? Esn ( talk) 02:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Sanamayn has never been controlled by the rebels.Why is it purple???Please change it back!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GERALD710 ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't know. In December there was reconciliation agreement when rebel sleepercells handed their weapons to the government. City is open for citizens of government areas and state institutions are working. Sleeper cells or deal with islamist? Various map have various things about As-Sanamayn, same as clearly government-held Ghabaghib, Kanakir, Baytima. City is government, rebel-held or truce. Sorry, I'm Polish and my English is less. Warszawiak22 ( talk) 14:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Read http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/reconciliations-case-al-sanamayn-north-deraa/. We can set it red (gov control) or purple (truce). I guess that red is more appropriate. It is one of the areas where come kind of compromise has been established, so that most likely we will see no more fighting in the future. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
So Sanamayn have to be changed into red, please someone can do that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.227.191 ( talk) 17:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
From zaza checkpoint to palmyra all is red
https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/867795333790781440
So Tulul al sawt mountain chain and jabal abdah and two black hills , all should be red
Hezbollah also confirmed this with a released map https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAsiGQNXcAA0ZfP.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderM1 ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC) more precisly
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.943360&lon=37.927551&z=9&m=b&gz=0;369518280;335310924;0;1081117;1229094;955342;2224731;577907;4339598;497824;6475067;858139;10025023;1143998;12215423;0;12874602;17171;13547514;303307;13691711;1041099;12682342;1783974;11906432;3917580;13465118;6307255;13829040;6704879;16706085;9131987;15950775;11015504;15246963;11354423;14910507;11464542;14045332;11633927;13540648;11495598;13499449;11433484;13231657;11055052;13046263;10970304;12702941;11139791;12545013;11422189;11975096;12330863;11460112;12607217;10883330;12612857;10375213;13030030;10423278;13548383;9867095;13908784;9324645;13835590;8246612;13266710;7793425;12748180;7621765;12364707;7305908;12009273;6832121;11738363;6097412;11422189;5925749;11399601;5225372;11405249;4106140;11405249;3186035;11371365;2931975;11591584;2804945;11848432;2887344;12079809;2839279;12361888;2945708;12488791;3158569;12567744;3512191;12649509;3742218;12801739;3869247;13106113 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderM1 ( talk • contribs) 17:38, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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-- Dzianis Niadbajla ( talk) 09:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Syrian army and allies captured al halbah area , this is confirmed by official page of NSA rebels . Make it Red , and put a new map in front page ,because the area of ulainia , and and halbah , kufaynis , sawanah saba, biyar , zaza cp ,till the saligm crossroads the are black and green , it gives confusion .
Here is the source :
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Why is Mansurah SDF controlled in our map? This change was made several days ago and I haven't seen a single source saying that SDF even entered Mansurah; there is actually several reports of coalition airstrikes still happening inside the town on IS posts and there are pictures of the Mansurah water tanks being detonated whit explosives by IS. SDF seems to be trying to encircle Mansurah but they haven't entered the town yet. Please change Mansurah to ISIS held for now. Valewonca ( talk) 15:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Paolowalter in revision 782514682 of Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map, I think you meant to change the control of the Khunayfis southwest of Palmyra (lat = 34.229, long = 37.791), not the one southeast of Hama (lat = 34.951, long = 36.999). I'd fix this myself, but I'm not extended-autoconfirmed. -- Cirrus87 ( talk) 15:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Recent reports (Like this one and this one) are saying that SAA is 6km away from the town of Arak. Notably, the Arak Gas Field is marked as government held on our map, but as you can see here in this map the gas field is only 2km north of the town, 4km less of distance than what pro-SAA sources are saying that government troops are from the town. Yes, it was reported that the gas field was under SAA control a few days ago but they most likely retreated and SAA sources didn't report on that like they sometimes do. So I suggest we change the Arak Gas Field to IS held back for now. Valewonca ( talk) 16:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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Change "Khunayfis" town back to SDF control. No substantial evidence that the Popular Mobilization Units of Iraq have captured this town has been presented. Only one user, Beshogur, made this change. He did so using a source whose link is broken. No other news outlets have reported on the PMU entering Syria through the Sinjar region, and Iraq attacking the Syrian Kurds would be widely reported if it does happen. TheNavigatrr ( talk) 23:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
The map on the front is totally wrong , it confuses people , saba biyar, zaza cp , ulainia , al halba , til Salighm crossroads are goverment controlled, but on map they are all green , please make new map , to make this site more accurate and stop the confusion