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A certain user, who according to his contributions historic is a sympathizer with Daesh (ISIS), simply reverts every edit related to YPG advancing on ISIS psychopaths. For instance, there were some unnecessary black dots on a wide dead area, with no strategic or military importance. They were removed by me, to be re-added just after a few minutes by this certain user. ISIS war here on Wikipedia after continuous decisive defeats on the real battleground? Sounds too childish to me! It must get stopped. Roboskiye ( talk) 15:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
According hawarnews Salafi Jihadis (JAN, Ahrar ash Sham) encircle Sheikh Maqsood neighborhood in Aleppo and are shelling YPG positions. According sayed_ridha YPG take control Tell Nabbo which overlooks Jandoul Roundabout and Brasco Salafi Jihadi group Ahrar ash-Sham has put a blockade on Afrin and stopped all food trucks entering Afrin from Azaz & Aleppo | Gûdaw English
217.99.132.128 ( talk) 19:59, 28 May 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
Today both SOHR and ANHA are reporting YPG advance towards Dehma, and clashes in Rawiya. here and here. There are no reports of IS being besieged in Rawiya, so I think that the most reliable situation (with Dehma in YPG control) is depicted by this map https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/603699885637050369 . For sure Gire Ebubekir is in YPG hands, as reported some days ago (in wiki map it is still black). -- 8fra0 ( talk) 13:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC) I changed it to black via a reliable source,but it was reverted. Alhanuty ( talk) 13:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Various news outlets have reported that al-Nusra and allies have captured Ariha in Idlib. [5] [6] Kafr Najd: [7] I don't know if it's enough to change the map, therefore I wanted to post them here. -- Ahmetyal ( talk) 18:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911
Should Ariha stay under joint control ? It's because I raised this question after Idlib, Jisr Shugur and Mastumah, where every source said "Al Nusra backed by" which could mean JAN (300soldiers) backed by (2 000 others), but they stayed under joint control.
Now
SOHR says Al Nusra, Jund Aqsa, Faylaq Sham & Ahrar Sham. Should it stay under joint control ? I mean, this could mean that JAN had like 200 soldiers and others had 1 000. What do you think. And don't post other sources, because they are using SOHR as a source while adding their "opinion"
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There seems to be more territory taken over by Jaysh al-Fatah: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-withdraws-from-ariha-and-kafr-najd/ In the article, Masdar claims "Three hours after the militants from Jaysh Al-Fateh launched a full-scale assault on the Syrian Government stronghold of Ariha, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and the National Defense Forces (NDF) have withdrawn all military personnel from the city to the village of ‘Umm Al-Jorouz along the Syrian Armed Forces main supply route in the Idlib Governorate.". This, from a well-informed pro-regime source, indicates that the villages and checkpoints directly east of Ariha are rebel controlled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 21:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
New Al-Masdar map update shows Kafr Ata and the nearby checkpoint under rebel control: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-map-update-of-idlib-al-qaeda-captures-ariha/ We should keep an eye on Ma'taram north of Urum al-Joz. Reports are that rebels also took this village, but the map in the link doesn't show the name of the exact village. Maybe contested? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 08:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
According to this map Deir Siman is controlled by YPG, but pro-Kurdish source has it as rebel- and YPG-controlled. [8] The problem is that we don't know who the rebels are (Nusra, FSA or some other group). -- Ahmetyal ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
What does our Arabic Sources have to say? Tgoll774 ( talk) 18:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Nope,Dekba is an exclusively reliable source,all its reports came out to be true,look regime forces are going to abandon deir ez zor. Alhanuty ( talk) 20:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Debka is not news it is fantasy. I am israeli, debka is not reliable. 2.52.48.135 ( talk) 02:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
According almasdar SAA made a sizeable advance inside city and near airbase 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 17:45, 29 May 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
http://aranews.net/2015/05/syrian-regime-evacuates-deir-ez-zors-museum-amid-isis-progress/ Okay, ARA is now saying the Regime is getting out of dodge. Anyone have more information? Tgoll774 ( talk) 15:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Masdar here provides a map with a far different overview of the Eastern Hama Salient, with towns such as Soha and Akash under SAA control, and Mushayrifah on the frontlines. While I know this source is Pro Government, and therefore cannot be used for changes. But information, if coming from IS/Rebels sources, could be able to justify changes, I just haven't found any since this area is prone to not have a lot of information going out, the same as the SAA in Hasakah. MesmerMe ( talk) 11:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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Revert revision 664877838 by MesmerMe - no source Vissar2g ( talk) 16:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
There are just too too many villages around Tall Tamer region. I mean, it's basically 3 villages above each other, so we have like 50 of them. It's impossible to edit the "Syria war map" in color, because you can't make a difference between a village. Does anyone agree lol ? DuckZz ( talk) 00:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please change the village of Hurriya from the control of ISIS, to the control of the YPG. YPG fighters have recently taken control of the village, as of May 29, 2015 173.29.221.214 ( talk) 04:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Al- Allan checkpoint, Sahem al- Golan Dam area and wide parts from the town of al- Qsei in western countryside of Daraa. 88.226.103.23 ( talk) 18:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Tall Awar seems to be SAA held, However, I cannot yet find truly pro Rebel sources as of now. ProGov, Neutral, Masdar MesmerMe ( talk) 09:54, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Reliable kurdish sources (ANHA) are reporting YPG in Raco and Ruba here: https://twitter.com/ArjDnn/status/604561874030587904 http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.654786&lon=39.281273&z=12&m=b
That would be a big advance since two days ago. I would wait for more sources before editing the map, however. -- 8fra0 ( talk) 08:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
but why there aren't reports about YPG taking Nus Tal. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
SOHR confirms that they took 3 new villages http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D8%B9%D9%86%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%AF/, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1593895067532138&set=a.1379551265633187.1073741828.100007349797376&type=1&theater,Raj'an,Hurubi,Ajla. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:34, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
any reports about Nustel itself. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:35, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
User LightandDark2000 has put an airbase near Mabrukah as per CCNews map but that's not really an airbase but an irrelevant airstrip of which there are dozens all around Syria which remain unmarked due to being strategically/tactically irrelevant, could someone remove it?
Link to the airstrip: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.590692&lon=39.976303&z=18&m=b&permpoly=2834942
190.65.39.239 ( talk) 00:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Reports are saying that Isis just captured 4 villages in Al-Lajat area. here. KingoXo ( talk) 14:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
New sources (from today), about YPG presence in villages south of Tall Brak. These villages have every time with unknown reasons changed to black, despite being under YPG control. Today various sources from pro-ISIS to neutral to pro-regime report clashes between YPG and ISIS, where YPG repelled an ISIS offensive.
Why all village Al Watutiyah change to black? According pro gov source Amin_Akh all this villgae are contested almasdar 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 20:21, 31 May 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
Uh who put an airbase near Ras al-Ain? Tgoll774 ( talk) 00:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEzs9lZWmc&feature=youtu.be IS vid from their official A'maq news agency. What do other sources say on the Hasakah fight, it looks like IS brought a lot of Kornets and Konkurs from Iraq to this fight going by tweets by usual commenters. Tgoll774 ( talk) 18:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC) there's heavy fighting going on for control of the al- Ahdath prison near the city of al- Hasakah but that's not on the map please add it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.245.243.173 ( talk) 20:42, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Should Tiyas Crossroads maybe be added to the map? This area is strategically important since several roads from there lead to important areas such as Palmyra, Mahin, and Qaryatayn. The area is currently used for SAA advances towards Khunafyis as well. MesmerMe ( talk) 10:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Something else. Rebels say that they took control of Al-Zaide village west of Mabrukah. This village is already marked as under YPG control yesterday, so can this source be used because it's pro-rebel, but its not used for changing a village from black to lime, but kurds and rebels are allies there so it maybe can be used ? At least a joint control ? DuckZz ( talk) 15:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Lime or joint control ? DuckZz ( talk) 18:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this map drawn wrong ? For example, when i look at Eysha village west of Mabrukah, it seems like it lies miles and miles deep in Raqqa province. But in reality, on this map it's not even in Raqqa province. The problem is, the coordinates are the same on both maps, so that means the province border line on this map should be moved somehow or ??? DuckZz ( talk) 18:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Clarification, Banak, that borderline is not for the Hasakah province but for the Cizire Canton of the Rojava Autonomy, if you zoom out you will see they have borders for the three cantons and that they're defined pretty much by current frontlines of YPG forces. Regards!
190.65.39.239 ( talk) 21:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
On monday SAA start offensive on the border Ildib and Hama. According pro Gov source syrian army took control of Tal A'our, Al-Zayadiyah, Tal Sahhan, & Sarareef IvanSidorenko, leithfadel, almasdar nad PetoLucem 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 19:05, 1 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
acc.to SOHR saa captured Zayadiyah -Sararif and Tall Awar http://www.syriahr.com/2015/06/%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A5%D8%AF%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D9%84/ Hwinsp ( talk) 09:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
According pro opposition map SAA control Al Kur here 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 15:30, 5 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts6_lFi0__U&feature=youtu.be Can someone look into this further. http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.324669&lon=37.250776&z=14&m=b area in question Tgoll774 ( talk) 15:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGdYvsJUYAEDZrb.jpg:large By Chuck Pfarer, very clear IS has secured Sarrin and has secure runs to Khirbat al-Furj and the Grain Silos. Sarrin is thus not contested. Tgoll774 ( talk) 12:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGs4NicXAAEyoOx.jpg:large Latest Chuck Pfarer map. Tgoll774 ( talk) 11:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Since yesterday, rebels of the Jaysh al-Fatah operations room have begun a new offensive in Idlib province. Many towns and checkpoints along the western highway have been taken over. Sources:
1. Masdar map update: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-map-of-idlib-jaysh-al-fatah-advances-to-mahambal/ 2. PetroLucem map update: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem (poster one hour ago, Idlib front map)
Seems rebels have taken everything east of Mahmbel for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 10:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 This rebel map shows Al-Mushayrifah under government control, and it shows Junqarah under rebel control. While I will change Mushayrifah, i'm asking should i change junqarah too ? Because SOHR didn't really made a list of areas that were captured by rebels, they only wrote about "regime colapse, and rebel advances etc..." Apparently, this videos shows FSA 111.division rebels inside Jinqarah after SAA withdrews on the main highway. Opinion ? DuckZz ( talk) 17:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Does this article here SOHR and this on here YPG mean that YPG are helping SAA in the defense of Hasakah City? Rhocagil ( talk) 12:51, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the YPG article says "This terrorist strike was launched against strategic points in Neşwa Xerbî (Western Navsha) neighborhood of Hesekê; the extent is located to the east of Mt. Kezwan." Witch is a neighborhood southwest i Hasakah City. SOHR article confirm YPG where involved in heavy clashes with heavy casualties (both sides) in the southwest. This neighborhood is according to our wiki-map under SAA control. So back to the original question. Rhocagil ( talk) 16:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
The following source https://twitter.com/CizireCanton/status/607644240798216192 shows kakah under SAA control. Should kaka said be chnaged to red? Paolowalter ( talk) 20:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/twittercizirecanton-tap-the-map-for-information_36481#11/36.4931/40.7620 YPG positions near al-Hawl need to be switched to IS control and IS is closer to Tall Hamis. Tgoll774 ( talk) 20:47, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the info guys! Rhocagil ( talk) 23:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
According pro ypg map CizireCanton SAA retake most area losing in ISIS offensive 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 18:30, 8 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
I hate when trolls do this. They wait for me, or someone else, to make a new weekly Syria color map, and then they revert the map to the previous version, and then the same user, or someone else, uses my map and uploads it again with their profile DuckZz ( talk) 22:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Looks like they are regime held according to this map from Jaysh al Islam. [9] NightShadeAEB ( talk) 16:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
These days we hear lot about Afghanistan insurgency , Taliban taking over few sub districts in nangahar and other states and ofcource ISIS affiliate campaign , Can abybody please make an Afghan insurgency map in lines of Syrian civil war ? { 80.2.41.187 ( talk) 18:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)}
Thank you for the response , Yes i think we should wait for more information before launching afghan own map { 80.2.41.187 ( talk) 15:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)}
As I know the ISIS not controlled Hisyah town I think they only could be near the South West of the area, but not inside the village. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.79.203.46 ( talk) 17:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
It could be they are pulling out of Qalamoun (LEBANON) because of Hezbollah offensive . 86.135.155.156 ( talk) 08:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Why Hisyah go to black? I read only pro ISIS fanboy talking about it. A ccording pro gov source SAA take control over al Jazal village - go to contested? 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 16:23, 10 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
Another time why Hisyah go to contested and ISIS present near city? Any evidence, because I do not see any raports. 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 04:33, 11 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
When villages of the Kobanî Canton were being retaken by the YPG/FSA coalition, towns captured by both parties were marked under joint control. Towns that were 'recaptured by Kurdish forces' were marked as yellow. However, only a few hundred FSA rebels are present in Kobanî Canton according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kobanî
I doubt FSA is still present in these villages, as their fighters have probably moved on to fight ISIS on the front lines. In fact, I would equate the FSA presence in Kobanî to the Nusra presence in rebel battles: they may not stay in minor villages after they've been captured.
To summarize, I think the villages in the interior of the canton shown under joint control should be switched to yellow since there are no longer FSA troops guarding those villages. What do other editors think of this idea? Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 13:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
al-Jazeera repoted that rebel sized Jabal al-Afai (جبل الأفاعي) in eastren Qalamoon from IS. it is east to Al-Naseriyah. I dont know why it's not even in our map. 3bdulelah ( talk) 04:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Why is this town Rebel held, this is by now means backed up by Pro government sources? MesmerMe ( talk) 10:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
http://syriadirect.org/news/syria-direct-news-update-6-10-15/ States Jazal Oil Field is under IS control Tgoll774 ( talk) 11:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-strategic-gas-field-in-east-homs/
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jazal oil field is under SAA control at least according to pro-gov sources. The syriandirect report about ISIS controlling Jazal is based on the ISIS offensive on Tuesday, when ISIS successfully pushed SAA out. However, according to pro-gov sources SAA recaptured Jazal soon after pulling out (which can be verified). Gobullshit ( talk) 19:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
According to YPG spokeman in interview to Dailystar.lb they surrounded the town and are not entering yet due to mines and suicide bombers:
SOHR confirms:
So please switch the town to full siege if its possible, thanks!
190.67.237.245 ( talk) 14:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello everybody. I noticed that somebody deleted the rebel control over several desert army bases in Easter Qalamoun. Only the cities of Jayrud, Dumayr and An-Nasibiyah are now shown as truce areas with the SAA. However, we all know that Jaysh al-Islam, the Nusra Front and some smaller groups have a presence in Eastern Qalamoun. They are clashing with IS in the deserts south of Palmyra and Quryatayn. Can we show the presence of rebels there, for example through some known hilltops and supply lines in the region? As of now, it looks on this map as though there isn't any rebel fighting force present in the eastern desert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 10:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
acc. to SOHR, SAA retook all the areas lost yesterday in idlib countryside (mushayrifah, tell sheikh khattab and jannat al qura) http://www.syriahr.com/2015/06/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A9-%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1/ Hwinsp ( talk) 15:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Comment: SOHR rarely wrong? Come on, remember when they claimed that they beloved "rebels" had taken control of Aleppo's central prison, wich was confirmed as false by other sources shortly after. I know that SOHR is one of the few sources we can use for this, but dont try to make it as a 100% reliable source, wich clearly aint (apart from their clearly pro-Sunni "rebels" bias, but that's another question...).--
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according to SOHR Tha'lah airport is contested SOHR tha'lar arabic Anti assad sources claim full control anti assad I know that pro Assad sources denies . so what is the rule on this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.46.189.10 ( talk) 20:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
SAA took back Ad Darah near Thalah air base sometime yesterday seen here [10] and here [11]. Roepcke is a pro rebel journalist but would still wait for other statements on this territory change. Alastairjc ( talk) 08:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Specially to those who are breaking the rules of editing.
Should not be tolerated and the admin is informed. This is a wikipedia map, and not your own personal blog or twitter account. DuckZz ( talk) 12:09, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
You do realize we can, theoretically, use anything as a source, correct? What's needed is verification of whatever's being used as a source, for example: Rebel Tweet from unreliable source states Aleppo is under rebel control. It being an unreliable source doesn't immediately mean it cannot be used, it simply means that further verification of that statement is needed before any edits are made to any of the maps. Sources that can be used to verify it are more reliable sources. Again, what's used as a source is somewhat irrelevant, so long as it can be verified through other and more reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaJesuZ ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Some time ago Hanibal911 added Syrian Arab Army presence near the Walks border crossing and south of Palmyra. This map by Thomas Van Linge http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/2015/06/12/2000px-syria-29.png shows a latent army presence, but also a huge rebel presence. Another map by Karybdis does not show any army presence there, and it even shows an ISIS supply line to Suwayda. My first question is obviously: who controls this area? My second question: is Karybdis anti-ISIS? If so he can be used to edit this region to ISIS control. I personally doubt there is SAA presence there. There must be consensus before we edit this. Who controls this area? Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 00:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
In any case, I don't think there is enough information for us to make any edits to this part of the map. I wish it wasn't listed as under regime control however: its a desert with hills. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 17:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
A certain user constantly uses older maps, which are, for the most part, outdated, and uses them for updates to the savable .png file for the Syrian Civil War. This is extremely annoying, because it shows that user's inaneness. The current version of the map ignores certain advances made in/around Rif Dimashq, by both the SAA and IS. It also ignores advances made by Jabhat al-Nusra, as many other area in Idlib should be under joint control. My point is that further edits to the maps should be based on the last reliable map given, and so far, there aren't many users doing so, and Banak is one of the few who does so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaJesuZ ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Pbfreespace3 DaJesuZ Are you talking to me ? I update the color map every week. If you have some issues then write them here and i will fix them in the next update, because obviously i can't see everything. DuckZz ( talk) 23:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
They are away this place according these maps (Are very precise) http://s2.img7.ir/M5dTa.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHpSIzJVAAA3tX3.jpg:large
They lost substantial ground In fact most are inside Lebanon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.109.39.24 ( talk) 00:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
There are no substantial evidences about ISIS near Hisyah at the moment and maps got good credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.109.39.24 ( talk) 03:04, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
So much of this map is either outdated or incorrect. Here are some suggestions:
In Quneitra province, the following places are held by opposition: Turnajah (surprisingly listed as govt held), Ufaniya, Tell Ahmar, Al-Huriyah, Al-Hamidiyah, At Tayhah
In Damasucs countryside, the following places are held by opposition: Mughr al-Mir (located between Sa'sa' and Beit Jinn, and is currently listed as "contested")
In Daraa province, the following places no longer exist and should be deleted: the three military checkpoints that are north and west of Judayyah (in northwestern Daraa province.) Also, there are five red dots located between Busra al-Harir and Asim which correspond to the following villages:
[12] and should be named properly rather than be left blank, and by the way they're controlled by the opposition.
In Idlib province, the following places are held by opposition: Jannat al-Qura (west of Ariha), and Mafraq Bab Hawa Checkpoint (northeast of Idlib city)
I hope these suggestions clear up the map and make it more up-to-date.
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Nice sources. Totholio ( talk) 07:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I will change these gov.held locations according to your sources...so no. DuckZz ( talk) 12:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Report: https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565443-syria-rebels-launch-quneitra-campaign A very detailed report about a large battle launched today by rebels calling themselves Jaysh al-Hermon in Qunaitra province. Some Southern Front and local Islamist units took control of Tuloul al-Hamar area and are fighting near Hader. We should add Tuloul al-Hamar and make Hadar half-besieged. Also, we have this Syrian Rebellion OBS map: https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/610803085418622976 It shows Turanjah clear under rebel control. Anybody any thoughts about the region? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 16:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Just like we can't use your pro-Assad twitter source to edit this map :) same story, sorry. Reports today that rebels took Tall Brizaq, we should wait for some official news outlet or claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 15:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Sources:
If your read these three reports from the past two days, we need to make several adjustments on this map:
However, besieging the village of Hadar is only possible of you have control of Turanjeh and Ufaniya. So, both towns need to be marked green. So this would mean: Turanjeh and Ufaniya to green, Hadar to besieged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.31.204.195 ( talk) 18:10, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Throughout the country; Nusra is forming coalitions with other rebel groups (Jaysh al Fath in Idlib, W. Qalamoun, E. Qalamoun; Majlis Shura Mujahideen in Deir Ezzor last year). In other areas, such as Daraa/Quneitra, it has operated in tandem with all of the other rebel groups. When the rebels seized Busra al-Sham, a Nusra shari'i was present at the celebration-meeting in the Roman amphitheatre alongside representatives of all the rebel groups.
The editors' decision to seperate Nusra from rebels has to be seen in its context. That context was the conflict between Nusra and SRF & Hazm. Both of those movements have long been utterly destroyed, thus the dinstinction is outdated. It therefore seems strange and baseless to continue with this distinction; particularly in Idlib where the other rebels and Nusra have effectively united under one banner. My personal opinion is that it is a vestige of the relentless POV pushing that this map has been inundated with since its inception. As part of normalisation, I think it would be prudent to do away with the seperate grey colour for Nusra. Jafar Saeed ( talk) 08:06, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
for people who value the revolution as a non-jihadist non-AQ effort, it is not destructive. It separates the moderate rebels from the extremists. The clashes inside the regime, have not been anything like the JAN take over of large moderate areas when they backstabbed the revolution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 19:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Several sources confirm that Daesh retreats from both Tal Abyad and Ayn Isa. See for example: http://www.alaraby.co.uk/politics/2015/6/13/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B4-%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A
Sources about Ayn Issa in YPG-FSA hands? In the report about the capture of Tal Abyad, SOHR states IS fighters left the border city going to Issa...so, it appears the latter is still contolled by IS... Fab8405 ( talk) 12:18, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
http://www.belljarnews.com/hundreds-of-syrians-return-to-border-town-from-turkey/851883/ Pro-Kurd source makes no mention of Ayn Issa in Kurdish Hands. Revert it back to IS unless someone posts the evidence. I already used my one revert to fix a vandalism in the East Side of Hasakah. Tgoll774 ( talk) 23:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Where is this druze town of Khadr on the syria side of the Golan border? It should be red but under green/grey siege. It looks like a small town. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.661701 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 23:36, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
A related discussion is currently ongoing concerning the color of Hezbollah-controlled areas in Lebanon. It is argued whether the Lebanese government should be blue and Hezbollah red (like Syrian Ba'athist regime and its allies), or alternatively that Hezbollah should be blue but Lebanese Government as red (arguing that in each country the legitimate government is colored as red on the map). The problem of course arises at the combined regional map in case Lebanese government is colored red - making the Lebanese government and Syrian government forces the same color, while making Hezbollah - a staunch ally of Baathist Syria, into blue; also Hezbollah-controlled areas in Syria and Hezbollah-controlled areas in Lebanon show in different colors (Syria in red together with the Assad forces, but in Lebanon blue). Obviously it creates a complete incoherence with the combined regional war interactive map Template:Syrian, Iraqi and Lebanon Conflicts detailed map, and the regional spillover map which is based on it (right). Please discuss it at Lebanese Insurgency detailed map page. GreyShark ( dibra) 18:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Yellow, a colour in the Hezbollah flag, wouldn't work, as it would imply that they are Kurds. Green, which is also in their flag, would imply their part of the more moderate rebels. Currently, there atre no areas under the control of local, nonaffiliated forces, so Hezbollah staying blue is acceptable, but should local forces taken control of any part of Iraq, Lebanon, or Syria, it should be reassessed. In summary: The areas under Hezbollah control should not be coloured red, as anti-government forces in Iraq and Syria have been representwed with colours other than red, and given red has been the colour of government controlled areas, it should remain as is. (Other maps, such as those of the Yemen and Libyan Civil Wars show government controlled territory in red. It makes more sense to leave it as is, as red does not reresent any country having a close relationship with Syria.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaJesuZ ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
LightandDark2000 Seriously stop changing Atareb back to Nusra held. I followed this battle live. Just because the mass media like LATimes doesn't bother to be detailed doesn't mean we at Wikipedia should give inaccurate information. I explained this in the edit summary, Jabhat al Nusra took Regiment 46, Urum al Sughra and Reef al Muhandiseen, not the city itself. Not long after that happened, activists accused Nusra of blockading Atareb's roads from the outside, which can only mean that Atareb is still rebel held. There was NO battle of Atareb. Please don't use vague sentences and interpret them wantonly like this. Atareb may be Nusra controlled now if Nusra moved into the city gradually, but until we find evidence of that, it stays green. NightShadeAEB ( talk) 10:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Some government additions need to be made on the map in line with the reuters article here, also the besieged Druze/Gov town of Hadar still needs to be added. Reuters says government controls Tel Shaar and Tel Bazaq in Quneitra, and Liwa 90 base, Baath and Khan Arnba. Some of these are not on the map: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/17/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKBN0OX0JO20150617 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 08:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Al of those places are already on the map, and under SAA control? The only thing is that Turanjah and Tuloul al-Hadar need to be rebel held, and the village of Hadar needs to be besieged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.102.2.163 ( talk) 11:43, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Anyone locate the Arabic SOHR post referenced by Vice News, Times of Israel, ynet news, Daily Star, BBC, etc about the encirclement of Hader? Boredwhytekid ( talk) 20:26, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
An edit was made adding a location to the map which was supposedly controlled by rebels here [18]. The source [19] used to justify this edit was quoting pro rebel sources and clearly biased. Since the source was not neutral i reverted the edit. Now the editor in question has personally visited my talk page and threatened me with reporting me to an admin for an unjustified rollback [20]...
Now i have the feeling biased editors are justifying rebel advances by quoting, for them 'reliable' sources, even though these sources as biased.
I'd like to know if there are any standards for using 'reliable' biased sources here?
Cheers. Spenk01 ( talk) 00:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
NightShadeAEB Boredwhytekid There has been a various POV vandalism edits since Hanibal is blocked. The same editors just revert back when i revert their edit. How to report someone ? I never did this before so i don't know DuckZz ( talk) 15:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Bashkeuy was cleaned from Assad's Army: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1C2nDJVkf0&feature=youtu.be 88.226.73.222 ( talk) 19:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Acc. to pro-gov sources, Army "has captured Taloul Al-Hamr (Tuloul al Hemer) in Al-Quneitra" and "Hadar is no longer besieged" Sources: [24] [25] [26]. No confirmation yet from pro-rebel sources. Stharkov ( talk) 19:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
SAA forces recaptured Skakh (Sakaka), west of al-Tha’la military airport. Source: SOHR [27] pro-gov sources: Rook and ElectronicResistance stharkov ( talk) 11:58, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Reporting user LightandDark2000 for using rebel sources for rebel advances, kurdish sources for kurdish advances here1, and here2. I don't want to revert those edits because that obviously doesn't make any sense, the user will do it again. DuckZz ( talk) 14:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
It took a long time to have the Damascus map updated with the information from the Pentagon linked ISW reports. Now the map has been reverted to the inaccurate old map. Why is this? The top left corner is Purple and the bottom left corner is mostly government except for one besieged city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 21:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Al-Rastan should be changed to contested based on this televised report from Al-Mayadeen from inside the city where they state that the syrian army still controll the northern neighboorhoods of the inside city.
http://mayadeen.trafficmanager.net/Newscast/nJGsr09A,EGmTaJfAN_SlA/6/2013-10-22
http://www.almayadeen.net/news/syria-HKAjFbEGsk6hxaS5ANS9RA/الرستن-واحدة-من-أعقد-مناطق-تواجد-المسلحين-في-شمال-حمص ( Ali bachir ( talk) 10:53, 20 June 2015 (UTC))
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This is not about some random claim from Al-Mayadeen, i know they are pro gov, but this is a tv report where they are reporting from INSIDE the city, their reporter concluded the report by a video message from inside the city northern neighboorhood where SAA soldiere are positionned so it should be changed to contested. ( Ali bachir ( talk) 12:19, 20 June 2015 (UTC))
Or it should be changed to three way held (Nusra, FSA, SSA). There is an icon for that. Rhocagil ( talk) 15:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The map lists Hammam al Turkman and Sharakarak as under YPG control, yet two pro-YPG/rebel maps [29] [30] show them both under ISIS control for the time being. Additionally, a more conservative map maker [31] depicts that Ayn Issa and Qantari were not taken either, although Qantari was later reached today, but this means we labelled Qantari as YPG days before this happened. What sources are editors here relying on? It's difficult to browse through the edit history every time a major change is made, so can editors please just drop a shout here in the discussion, as a courtesy call? Then when issues like this arise, we can easily access the sources responsible.
I'm not sure what to do about Ayn Issa. Others on Twitter claim to have local sources (SRO, CizireCanton, etc), yet others still speak of a push towards Ayn Issa taking place now, alongside Sarrin. After Qantari, there's some serious questioning regarding the status of Ayn Issa. Especially since Liwa Thuwwar al Raqqa is claiming they were as far south as Khunayza ("almost") [32] and Tel Seman [33] while also claiming they are assaulting Hazima [34]. Those are so close to Raqqa, around here [35]. I don't see any non-anonymous source aside from LTR on Twitter or anywhere else for Ayn Issa. For the time being, we should wait until we had confirmation that Ayn Issa is captured. I'm also reverting Hammam al Turkman and Sharakarak since nobody has seriously claimed them. NightShadeAEB ( talk) 00:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
NightShadeAEB, can you edit that Islamic State pocket west of Tall Abyad to YPG control? There are 9 villages there. These sources say that it is no longer under Islamic State control.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LCarabinier/status/611227480343584768/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/611339220444160000/photo/1
Thank you. With regards to the editing based on questionable/ameteur sources, I do think it's true some people were too quick to edit based on rumors. However, I also think it's important to trust people's good faith when they edit. In many cases, the reports are quite accurate, but more trustworthy sources don't report the news until later. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 01:56, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
According to this pro-kurdish map released today (18 june) YPG/FSA-forces are yet not in Ayn Issa and villages just east of Al-Qantari are still under ISIS control. Rhocagil ( talk) 19:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/11638630/Al-Nusra-Front-rebels-take-Idlibs-last-Syria-regime-bastion-in-pictures.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.219.34 ( talk) 22:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
We already had a disqussion about this. These sites are using SOHR as a source, but obviously wrong, because SOHR clearly said "Jaish Fatah" and named 5 groups, together with Al Nusra, not enough for joint control. DuckZz ( talk) 22:51, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
DuckZz You are arguing that the lime-yellow dot´s inside Kobane Canton should stay that way because that was the way they where reported captured. In the same way, if you follow your own logic Ariha must be marked under joint control (lime-grey). "SOHR clearly said "Jaish Fatah" and named 5 groups, together with Al Nusra" exactly, together = joint control. I don´t know if you are pro FSA and I don´t really care, but i serenely look like you are if you argument like this and you should at least pretend to do neutral edits. I think you are the most stabile editor since Hanibal was blocked (btw: why the FU** was he blocked? was he not the most nerd-loyal to the rules there is?). Well so please DuckZz keep up the good fight against the vandalizing. Rhocagil ( talk) 15:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Rhocagil Spenk01 Ariha was a compensation for Idlib town. What does this mean ? We had a really hard disqussion about Idlib town, few days after it fell. SOHR and other rebel sources named groups which participated, and numbers, we used JAN sources and rebel sources. All of them stated that Al Nusra was only like 35% involved during the clashes. Which means that the joint control rule wansn't there, but still Idlib town stayed under joint control. Hanibal was the first person to change Ariha town, and he marked it as under rebel control, probably realizing his mistake for Idlib town.
DuckZz I thought Jaish Fateh was an operation room witch included JAN. As for Kobane the FSA forces are about 5% maximum 10% of joint the operation room there and the only place that is de facto under joint control now is Tal Abyad and especially it´s border crossing. Witch the kurds argued to maintain that way to try to calm Turkey. Probably maybe Ayn Issa will go under joint control, if and when it´s captured. Rhocagil ( talk) 16:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
As for Jabhat al Nusra - the fact that it is being equated to the combined might of the rest of the opposition's factions, doesn't seem balanced at all. Ariha's area in Jabal al Arbaeen is a traditional stronghold of Suqur al Sham, now subsumed into Ahrar al Sham, making the non-Nusra Islamists more powerful than ever. Why would Nusra be treated as an equal here? Even for Idlib, Saraqeb, Maarat al Nuuman and Khan Shikhoun the colours don't make sense. Jisr al Shughour makes sense because of the presence of Jabhat Ansar al Din and Junud al Sham which lend weight to the Nusra-Jund al Aqsa Salafi-jihadi brotherhood. But this trend of turning every city where Nusra makes headlines into Nusraland is very biased.
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NightShadeAEB (The Suluk edit) It does not stand to common sense that FSA was there when captured. The FSA that joined in with YPG from the east front was merely a hand full. And I don´t care "common sense" since that is something existing very rarely in here. I do care sources and and discussion about them. And now a source was provided for the Suluk take over, trustworthy or not I don´t know but it was a source. I´m sorry for my edit and I stand corrected. As for the Tell Abyad situation this is one of few, maybe the only situation where there is de facto a joint control over a town or parts of it between YPG-FSA as the Kurds clearly said that this is the way Aranews Rhocagil ( talk) 21:35, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
According to Now Lebanon there have been clashes going on between Kurdish forces and regime forces in the city of Qamishli. [47] 76.99.189.128 ( talk) 18:34, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Al-Masdar reports about new clashes in th city. 93.182.46.24 ( talk) 13:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Reports of the SAA taking Al-Biyarat, Homs, 10km from Palmyra Daily Star, The Sun.. both citing SOHR and al-Watan. Location of Al-Biyarat? Boredwhytekid ( talk) 14:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I know it has been used as a justification for 1RR blocks, but is this actually allowed?
Per WP:GS/SCW#Remedies,
All articles related to the Syrian Civil War and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, broadly construed, are placed under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24 hour period). When in doubt, assume an edit is related and so is a revert.
Per Wikipedia:What_is_an_article?#Namespace,
"Articles" belong to the main namespace of Wikipedia pages (also called "article namespace" or simply "mainspace").
As this page isn't in the mainspace, and therefore isn't an article, I cannot see how the 1RR applies. Did I miss something? Banak ( talk) 19:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I've just blocked three different people for violating 1RR sanctions on this article in the last ~24 hours.
Everyone, please be careful not to edit war but instead to consistently use the talk page. If you see anyone violating 1RR, please report them rather than just violating it yourself to get your preferred version back.
I realize it's not ideal, and not all edits come equal, but it's the way that the rules are written, and for good reason: it helps keep sanity around here.
Thanks. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 22:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Can you block the person who reverted the Damascus area map to the old inaccurate map? Why was this done? It is an obvious violation of the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 21:33, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
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A certain user, who according to his contributions historic is a sympathizer with Daesh (ISIS), simply reverts every edit related to YPG advancing on ISIS psychopaths. For instance, there were some unnecessary black dots on a wide dead area, with no strategic or military importance. They were removed by me, to be re-added just after a few minutes by this certain user. ISIS war here on Wikipedia after continuous decisive defeats on the real battleground? Sounds too childish to me! It must get stopped. Roboskiye ( talk) 15:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
According hawarnews Salafi Jihadis (JAN, Ahrar ash Sham) encircle Sheikh Maqsood neighborhood in Aleppo and are shelling YPG positions. According sayed_ridha YPG take control Tell Nabbo which overlooks Jandoul Roundabout and Brasco Salafi Jihadi group Ahrar ash-Sham has put a blockade on Afrin and stopped all food trucks entering Afrin from Azaz & Aleppo | Gûdaw English
217.99.132.128 ( talk) 19:59, 28 May 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
Today both SOHR and ANHA are reporting YPG advance towards Dehma, and clashes in Rawiya. here and here. There are no reports of IS being besieged in Rawiya, so I think that the most reliable situation (with Dehma in YPG control) is depicted by this map https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/603699885637050369 . For sure Gire Ebubekir is in YPG hands, as reported some days ago (in wiki map it is still black). -- 8fra0 ( talk) 13:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC) I changed it to black via a reliable source,but it was reverted. Alhanuty ( talk) 13:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Various news outlets have reported that al-Nusra and allies have captured Ariha in Idlib. [5] [6] Kafr Najd: [7] I don't know if it's enough to change the map, therefore I wanted to post them here. -- Ahmetyal ( talk) 18:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911
Should Ariha stay under joint control ? It's because I raised this question after Idlib, Jisr Shugur and Mastumah, where every source said "Al Nusra backed by" which could mean JAN (300soldiers) backed by (2 000 others), but they stayed under joint control.
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SOHR says Al Nusra, Jund Aqsa, Faylaq Sham & Ahrar Sham. Should it stay under joint control ? I mean, this could mean that JAN had like 200 soldiers and others had 1 000. What do you think. And don't post other sources, because they are using SOHR as a source while adding their "opinion"
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There seems to be more territory taken over by Jaysh al-Fatah: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-withdraws-from-ariha-and-kafr-najd/ In the article, Masdar claims "Three hours after the militants from Jaysh Al-Fateh launched a full-scale assault on the Syrian Government stronghold of Ariha, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and the National Defense Forces (NDF) have withdrawn all military personnel from the city to the village of ‘Umm Al-Jorouz along the Syrian Armed Forces main supply route in the Idlib Governorate.". This, from a well-informed pro-regime source, indicates that the villages and checkpoints directly east of Ariha are rebel controlled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 21:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
New Al-Masdar map update shows Kafr Ata and the nearby checkpoint under rebel control: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-map-update-of-idlib-al-qaeda-captures-ariha/ We should keep an eye on Ma'taram north of Urum al-Joz. Reports are that rebels also took this village, but the map in the link doesn't show the name of the exact village. Maybe contested? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 08:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
According to this map Deir Siman is controlled by YPG, but pro-Kurdish source has it as rebel- and YPG-controlled. [8] The problem is that we don't know who the rebels are (Nusra, FSA or some other group). -- Ahmetyal ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
What does our Arabic Sources have to say? Tgoll774 ( talk) 18:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Nope,Dekba is an exclusively reliable source,all its reports came out to be true,look regime forces are going to abandon deir ez zor. Alhanuty ( talk) 20:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Debka is not news it is fantasy. I am israeli, debka is not reliable. 2.52.48.135 ( talk) 02:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
According almasdar SAA made a sizeable advance inside city and near airbase 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 17:45, 29 May 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
http://aranews.net/2015/05/syrian-regime-evacuates-deir-ez-zors-museum-amid-isis-progress/ Okay, ARA is now saying the Regime is getting out of dodge. Anyone have more information? Tgoll774 ( talk) 15:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Masdar here provides a map with a far different overview of the Eastern Hama Salient, with towns such as Soha and Akash under SAA control, and Mushayrifah on the frontlines. While I know this source is Pro Government, and therefore cannot be used for changes. But information, if coming from IS/Rebels sources, could be able to justify changes, I just haven't found any since this area is prone to not have a lot of information going out, the same as the SAA in Hasakah. MesmerMe ( talk) 11:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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Revert revision 664877838 by MesmerMe - no source Vissar2g ( talk) 16:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
There are just too too many villages around Tall Tamer region. I mean, it's basically 3 villages above each other, so we have like 50 of them. It's impossible to edit the "Syria war map" in color, because you can't make a difference between a village. Does anyone agree lol ? DuckZz ( talk) 00:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please change the village of Hurriya from the control of ISIS, to the control of the YPG. YPG fighters have recently taken control of the village, as of May 29, 2015 173.29.221.214 ( talk) 04:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Al- Allan checkpoint, Sahem al- Golan Dam area and wide parts from the town of al- Qsei in western countryside of Daraa. 88.226.103.23 ( talk) 18:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Tall Awar seems to be SAA held, However, I cannot yet find truly pro Rebel sources as of now. ProGov, Neutral, Masdar MesmerMe ( talk) 09:54, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Reliable kurdish sources (ANHA) are reporting YPG in Raco and Ruba here: https://twitter.com/ArjDnn/status/604561874030587904 http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.654786&lon=39.281273&z=12&m=b
That would be a big advance since two days ago. I would wait for more sources before editing the map, however. -- 8fra0 ( talk) 08:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
but why there aren't reports about YPG taking Nus Tal. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
SOHR confirms that they took 3 new villages http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D8%B9%D9%86%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%AF/, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1593895067532138&set=a.1379551265633187.1073741828.100007349797376&type=1&theater,Raj'an,Hurubi,Ajla. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:34, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
any reports about Nustel itself. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:35, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
User LightandDark2000 has put an airbase near Mabrukah as per CCNews map but that's not really an airbase but an irrelevant airstrip of which there are dozens all around Syria which remain unmarked due to being strategically/tactically irrelevant, could someone remove it?
Link to the airstrip: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.590692&lon=39.976303&z=18&m=b&permpoly=2834942
190.65.39.239 ( talk) 00:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Reports are saying that Isis just captured 4 villages in Al-Lajat area. here. KingoXo ( talk) 14:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
New sources (from today), about YPG presence in villages south of Tall Brak. These villages have every time with unknown reasons changed to black, despite being under YPG control. Today various sources from pro-ISIS to neutral to pro-regime report clashes between YPG and ISIS, where YPG repelled an ISIS offensive.
Why all village Al Watutiyah change to black? According pro gov source Amin_Akh all this villgae are contested almasdar 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 20:21, 31 May 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
Uh who put an airbase near Ras al-Ain? Tgoll774 ( talk) 00:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEzs9lZWmc&feature=youtu.be IS vid from their official A'maq news agency. What do other sources say on the Hasakah fight, it looks like IS brought a lot of Kornets and Konkurs from Iraq to this fight going by tweets by usual commenters. Tgoll774 ( talk) 18:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC) there's heavy fighting going on for control of the al- Ahdath prison near the city of al- Hasakah but that's not on the map please add it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.245.243.173 ( talk) 20:42, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Should Tiyas Crossroads maybe be added to the map? This area is strategically important since several roads from there lead to important areas such as Palmyra, Mahin, and Qaryatayn. The area is currently used for SAA advances towards Khunafyis as well. MesmerMe ( talk) 10:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Something else. Rebels say that they took control of Al-Zaide village west of Mabrukah. This village is already marked as under YPG control yesterday, so can this source be used because it's pro-rebel, but its not used for changing a village from black to lime, but kurds and rebels are allies there so it maybe can be used ? At least a joint control ? DuckZz ( talk) 15:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Lime or joint control ? DuckZz ( talk) 18:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this map drawn wrong ? For example, when i look at Eysha village west of Mabrukah, it seems like it lies miles and miles deep in Raqqa province. But in reality, on this map it's not even in Raqqa province. The problem is, the coordinates are the same on both maps, so that means the province border line on this map should be moved somehow or ??? DuckZz ( talk) 18:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Clarification, Banak, that borderline is not for the Hasakah province but for the Cizire Canton of the Rojava Autonomy, if you zoom out you will see they have borders for the three cantons and that they're defined pretty much by current frontlines of YPG forces. Regards!
190.65.39.239 ( talk) 21:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
On monday SAA start offensive on the border Ildib and Hama. According pro Gov source syrian army took control of Tal A'our, Al-Zayadiyah, Tal Sahhan, & Sarareef IvanSidorenko, leithfadel, almasdar nad PetoLucem 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 19:05, 1 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
acc.to SOHR saa captured Zayadiyah -Sararif and Tall Awar http://www.syriahr.com/2015/06/%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A5%D8%AF%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D9%84/ Hwinsp ( talk) 09:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
According pro opposition map SAA control Al Kur here 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 15:30, 5 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts6_lFi0__U&feature=youtu.be Can someone look into this further. http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.324669&lon=37.250776&z=14&m=b area in question Tgoll774 ( talk) 15:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGdYvsJUYAEDZrb.jpg:large By Chuck Pfarer, very clear IS has secured Sarrin and has secure runs to Khirbat al-Furj and the Grain Silos. Sarrin is thus not contested. Tgoll774 ( talk) 12:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGs4NicXAAEyoOx.jpg:large Latest Chuck Pfarer map. Tgoll774 ( talk) 11:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Since yesterday, rebels of the Jaysh al-Fatah operations room have begun a new offensive in Idlib province. Many towns and checkpoints along the western highway have been taken over. Sources:
1. Masdar map update: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-map-of-idlib-jaysh-al-fatah-advances-to-mahambal/ 2. PetroLucem map update: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem (poster one hour ago, Idlib front map)
Seems rebels have taken everything east of Mahmbel for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 10:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 This rebel map shows Al-Mushayrifah under government control, and it shows Junqarah under rebel control. While I will change Mushayrifah, i'm asking should i change junqarah too ? Because SOHR didn't really made a list of areas that were captured by rebels, they only wrote about "regime colapse, and rebel advances etc..." Apparently, this videos shows FSA 111.division rebels inside Jinqarah after SAA withdrews on the main highway. Opinion ? DuckZz ( talk) 17:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Does this article here SOHR and this on here YPG mean that YPG are helping SAA in the defense of Hasakah City? Rhocagil ( talk) 12:51, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the YPG article says "This terrorist strike was launched against strategic points in Neşwa Xerbî (Western Navsha) neighborhood of Hesekê; the extent is located to the east of Mt. Kezwan." Witch is a neighborhood southwest i Hasakah City. SOHR article confirm YPG where involved in heavy clashes with heavy casualties (both sides) in the southwest. This neighborhood is according to our wiki-map under SAA control. So back to the original question. Rhocagil ( talk) 16:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
The following source https://twitter.com/CizireCanton/status/607644240798216192 shows kakah under SAA control. Should kaka said be chnaged to red? Paolowalter ( talk) 20:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/twittercizirecanton-tap-the-map-for-information_36481#11/36.4931/40.7620 YPG positions near al-Hawl need to be switched to IS control and IS is closer to Tall Hamis. Tgoll774 ( talk) 20:47, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the info guys! Rhocagil ( talk) 23:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
According pro ypg map CizireCanton SAA retake most area losing in ISIS offensive 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 18:30, 8 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
I hate when trolls do this. They wait for me, or someone else, to make a new weekly Syria color map, and then they revert the map to the previous version, and then the same user, or someone else, uses my map and uploads it again with their profile DuckZz ( talk) 22:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Looks like they are regime held according to this map from Jaysh al Islam. [9] NightShadeAEB ( talk) 16:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
These days we hear lot about Afghanistan insurgency , Taliban taking over few sub districts in nangahar and other states and ofcource ISIS affiliate campaign , Can abybody please make an Afghan insurgency map in lines of Syrian civil war ? { 80.2.41.187 ( talk) 18:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)}
Thank you for the response , Yes i think we should wait for more information before launching afghan own map { 80.2.41.187 ( talk) 15:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)}
As I know the ISIS not controlled Hisyah town I think they only could be near the South West of the area, but not inside the village. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.79.203.46 ( talk) 17:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
It could be they are pulling out of Qalamoun (LEBANON) because of Hezbollah offensive . 86.135.155.156 ( talk) 08:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Why Hisyah go to black? I read only pro ISIS fanboy talking about it. A ccording pro gov source SAA take control over al Jazal village - go to contested? 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 16:23, 10 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
Another time why Hisyah go to contested and ISIS present near city? Any evidence, because I do not see any raports. 217.99.132.128 ( talk) 04:33, 11 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:25AA:1:4004:0:0:0:6E ( talk)
When villages of the Kobanî Canton were being retaken by the YPG/FSA coalition, towns captured by both parties were marked under joint control. Towns that were 'recaptured by Kurdish forces' were marked as yellow. However, only a few hundred FSA rebels are present in Kobanî Canton according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kobanî
I doubt FSA is still present in these villages, as their fighters have probably moved on to fight ISIS on the front lines. In fact, I would equate the FSA presence in Kobanî to the Nusra presence in rebel battles: they may not stay in minor villages after they've been captured.
To summarize, I think the villages in the interior of the canton shown under joint control should be switched to yellow since there are no longer FSA troops guarding those villages. What do other editors think of this idea? Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 13:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
al-Jazeera repoted that rebel sized Jabal al-Afai (جبل الأفاعي) in eastren Qalamoon from IS. it is east to Al-Naseriyah. I dont know why it's not even in our map. 3bdulelah ( talk) 04:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Why is this town Rebel held, this is by now means backed up by Pro government sources? MesmerMe ( talk) 10:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
http://syriadirect.org/news/syria-direct-news-update-6-10-15/ States Jazal Oil Field is under IS control Tgoll774 ( talk) 11:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-strategic-gas-field-in-east-homs/
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jazal oil field is under SAA control at least according to pro-gov sources. The syriandirect report about ISIS controlling Jazal is based on the ISIS offensive on Tuesday, when ISIS successfully pushed SAA out. However, according to pro-gov sources SAA recaptured Jazal soon after pulling out (which can be verified). Gobullshit ( talk) 19:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
According to YPG spokeman in interview to Dailystar.lb they surrounded the town and are not entering yet due to mines and suicide bombers:
SOHR confirms:
So please switch the town to full siege if its possible, thanks!
190.67.237.245 ( talk) 14:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello everybody. I noticed that somebody deleted the rebel control over several desert army bases in Easter Qalamoun. Only the cities of Jayrud, Dumayr and An-Nasibiyah are now shown as truce areas with the SAA. However, we all know that Jaysh al-Islam, the Nusra Front and some smaller groups have a presence in Eastern Qalamoun. They are clashing with IS in the deserts south of Palmyra and Quryatayn. Can we show the presence of rebels there, for example through some known hilltops and supply lines in the region? As of now, it looks on this map as though there isn't any rebel fighting force present in the eastern desert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 10:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
acc. to SOHR, SAA retook all the areas lost yesterday in idlib countryside (mushayrifah, tell sheikh khattab and jannat al qura) http://www.syriahr.com/2015/06/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A9-%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1/ Hwinsp ( talk) 15:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Comment: SOHR rarely wrong? Come on, remember when they claimed that they beloved "rebels" had taken control of Aleppo's central prison, wich was confirmed as false by other sources shortly after. I know that SOHR is one of the few sources we can use for this, but dont try to make it as a 100% reliable source, wich clearly aint (apart from their clearly pro-Sunni "rebels" bias, but that's another question...).--
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according to SOHR Tha'lah airport is contested SOHR tha'lar arabic Anti assad sources claim full control anti assad I know that pro Assad sources denies . so what is the rule on this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.46.189.10 ( talk) 20:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
SAA took back Ad Darah near Thalah air base sometime yesterday seen here [10] and here [11]. Roepcke is a pro rebel journalist but would still wait for other statements on this territory change. Alastairjc ( talk) 08:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Specially to those who are breaking the rules of editing.
Should not be tolerated and the admin is informed. This is a wikipedia map, and not your own personal blog or twitter account. DuckZz ( talk) 12:09, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
You do realize we can, theoretically, use anything as a source, correct? What's needed is verification of whatever's being used as a source, for example: Rebel Tweet from unreliable source states Aleppo is under rebel control. It being an unreliable source doesn't immediately mean it cannot be used, it simply means that further verification of that statement is needed before any edits are made to any of the maps. Sources that can be used to verify it are more reliable sources. Again, what's used as a source is somewhat irrelevant, so long as it can be verified through other and more reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaJesuZ ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Some time ago Hanibal911 added Syrian Arab Army presence near the Walks border crossing and south of Palmyra. This map by Thomas Van Linge http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/2015/06/12/2000px-syria-29.png shows a latent army presence, but also a huge rebel presence. Another map by Karybdis does not show any army presence there, and it even shows an ISIS supply line to Suwayda. My first question is obviously: who controls this area? My second question: is Karybdis anti-ISIS? If so he can be used to edit this region to ISIS control. I personally doubt there is SAA presence there. There must be consensus before we edit this. Who controls this area? Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 00:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
In any case, I don't think there is enough information for us to make any edits to this part of the map. I wish it wasn't listed as under regime control however: its a desert with hills. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 17:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
A certain user constantly uses older maps, which are, for the most part, outdated, and uses them for updates to the savable .png file for the Syrian Civil War. This is extremely annoying, because it shows that user's inaneness. The current version of the map ignores certain advances made in/around Rif Dimashq, by both the SAA and IS. It also ignores advances made by Jabhat al-Nusra, as many other area in Idlib should be under joint control. My point is that further edits to the maps should be based on the last reliable map given, and so far, there aren't many users doing so, and Banak is one of the few who does so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaJesuZ ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Pbfreespace3 DaJesuZ Are you talking to me ? I update the color map every week. If you have some issues then write them here and i will fix them in the next update, because obviously i can't see everything. DuckZz ( talk) 23:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
They are away this place according these maps (Are very precise) http://s2.img7.ir/M5dTa.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHpSIzJVAAA3tX3.jpg:large
They lost substantial ground In fact most are inside Lebanon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.109.39.24 ( talk) 00:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
There are no substantial evidences about ISIS near Hisyah at the moment and maps got good credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.109.39.24 ( talk) 03:04, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
So much of this map is either outdated or incorrect. Here are some suggestions:
In Quneitra province, the following places are held by opposition: Turnajah (surprisingly listed as govt held), Ufaniya, Tell Ahmar, Al-Huriyah, Al-Hamidiyah, At Tayhah
In Damasucs countryside, the following places are held by opposition: Mughr al-Mir (located between Sa'sa' and Beit Jinn, and is currently listed as "contested")
In Daraa province, the following places no longer exist and should be deleted: the three military checkpoints that are north and west of Judayyah (in northwestern Daraa province.) Also, there are five red dots located between Busra al-Harir and Asim which correspond to the following villages:
[12] and should be named properly rather than be left blank, and by the way they're controlled by the opposition.
In Idlib province, the following places are held by opposition: Jannat al-Qura (west of Ariha), and Mafraq Bab Hawa Checkpoint (northeast of Idlib city)
I hope these suggestions clear up the map and make it more up-to-date.
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Nice sources. Totholio ( talk) 07:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I will change these gov.held locations according to your sources...so no. DuckZz ( talk) 12:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Report: https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565443-syria-rebels-launch-quneitra-campaign A very detailed report about a large battle launched today by rebels calling themselves Jaysh al-Hermon in Qunaitra province. Some Southern Front and local Islamist units took control of Tuloul al-Hamar area and are fighting near Hader. We should add Tuloul al-Hamar and make Hadar half-besieged. Also, we have this Syrian Rebellion OBS map: https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/610803085418622976 It shows Turanjah clear under rebel control. Anybody any thoughts about the region? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 16:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Just like we can't use your pro-Assad twitter source to edit this map :) same story, sorry. Reports today that rebels took Tall Brizaq, we should wait for some official news outlet or claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 ( talk) 15:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Sources:
If your read these three reports from the past two days, we need to make several adjustments on this map:
However, besieging the village of Hadar is only possible of you have control of Turanjeh and Ufaniya. So, both towns need to be marked green. So this would mean: Turanjeh and Ufaniya to green, Hadar to besieged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.31.204.195 ( talk) 18:10, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Throughout the country; Nusra is forming coalitions with other rebel groups (Jaysh al Fath in Idlib, W. Qalamoun, E. Qalamoun; Majlis Shura Mujahideen in Deir Ezzor last year). In other areas, such as Daraa/Quneitra, it has operated in tandem with all of the other rebel groups. When the rebels seized Busra al-Sham, a Nusra shari'i was present at the celebration-meeting in the Roman amphitheatre alongside representatives of all the rebel groups.
The editors' decision to seperate Nusra from rebels has to be seen in its context. That context was the conflict between Nusra and SRF & Hazm. Both of those movements have long been utterly destroyed, thus the dinstinction is outdated. It therefore seems strange and baseless to continue with this distinction; particularly in Idlib where the other rebels and Nusra have effectively united under one banner. My personal opinion is that it is a vestige of the relentless POV pushing that this map has been inundated with since its inception. As part of normalisation, I think it would be prudent to do away with the seperate grey colour for Nusra. Jafar Saeed ( talk) 08:06, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
for people who value the revolution as a non-jihadist non-AQ effort, it is not destructive. It separates the moderate rebels from the extremists. The clashes inside the regime, have not been anything like the JAN take over of large moderate areas when they backstabbed the revolution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 19:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Several sources confirm that Daesh retreats from both Tal Abyad and Ayn Isa. See for example: http://www.alaraby.co.uk/politics/2015/6/13/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B4-%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A
Sources about Ayn Issa in YPG-FSA hands? In the report about the capture of Tal Abyad, SOHR states IS fighters left the border city going to Issa...so, it appears the latter is still contolled by IS... Fab8405 ( talk) 12:18, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
http://www.belljarnews.com/hundreds-of-syrians-return-to-border-town-from-turkey/851883/ Pro-Kurd source makes no mention of Ayn Issa in Kurdish Hands. Revert it back to IS unless someone posts the evidence. I already used my one revert to fix a vandalism in the East Side of Hasakah. Tgoll774 ( talk) 23:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Where is this druze town of Khadr on the syria side of the Golan border? It should be red but under green/grey siege. It looks like a small town. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.661701 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 23:36, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
A related discussion is currently ongoing concerning the color of Hezbollah-controlled areas in Lebanon. It is argued whether the Lebanese government should be blue and Hezbollah red (like Syrian Ba'athist regime and its allies), or alternatively that Hezbollah should be blue but Lebanese Government as red (arguing that in each country the legitimate government is colored as red on the map). The problem of course arises at the combined regional map in case Lebanese government is colored red - making the Lebanese government and Syrian government forces the same color, while making Hezbollah - a staunch ally of Baathist Syria, into blue; also Hezbollah-controlled areas in Syria and Hezbollah-controlled areas in Lebanon show in different colors (Syria in red together with the Assad forces, but in Lebanon blue). Obviously it creates a complete incoherence with the combined regional war interactive map Template:Syrian, Iraqi and Lebanon Conflicts detailed map, and the regional spillover map which is based on it (right). Please discuss it at Lebanese Insurgency detailed map page. GreyShark ( dibra) 18:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Yellow, a colour in the Hezbollah flag, wouldn't work, as it would imply that they are Kurds. Green, which is also in their flag, would imply their part of the more moderate rebels. Currently, there atre no areas under the control of local, nonaffiliated forces, so Hezbollah staying blue is acceptable, but should local forces taken control of any part of Iraq, Lebanon, or Syria, it should be reassessed. In summary: The areas under Hezbollah control should not be coloured red, as anti-government forces in Iraq and Syria have been representwed with colours other than red, and given red has been the colour of government controlled areas, it should remain as is. (Other maps, such as those of the Yemen and Libyan Civil Wars show government controlled territory in red. It makes more sense to leave it as is, as red does not reresent any country having a close relationship with Syria.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaJesuZ ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
LightandDark2000 Seriously stop changing Atareb back to Nusra held. I followed this battle live. Just because the mass media like LATimes doesn't bother to be detailed doesn't mean we at Wikipedia should give inaccurate information. I explained this in the edit summary, Jabhat al Nusra took Regiment 46, Urum al Sughra and Reef al Muhandiseen, not the city itself. Not long after that happened, activists accused Nusra of blockading Atareb's roads from the outside, which can only mean that Atareb is still rebel held. There was NO battle of Atareb. Please don't use vague sentences and interpret them wantonly like this. Atareb may be Nusra controlled now if Nusra moved into the city gradually, but until we find evidence of that, it stays green. NightShadeAEB ( talk) 10:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Some government additions need to be made on the map in line with the reuters article here, also the besieged Druze/Gov town of Hadar still needs to be added. Reuters says government controls Tel Shaar and Tel Bazaq in Quneitra, and Liwa 90 base, Baath and Khan Arnba. Some of these are not on the map: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/17/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKBN0OX0JO20150617 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 08:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Al of those places are already on the map, and under SAA control? The only thing is that Turanjah and Tuloul al-Hadar need to be rebel held, and the village of Hadar needs to be besieged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.102.2.163 ( talk) 11:43, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Anyone locate the Arabic SOHR post referenced by Vice News, Times of Israel, ynet news, Daily Star, BBC, etc about the encirclement of Hader? Boredwhytekid ( talk) 20:26, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
An edit was made adding a location to the map which was supposedly controlled by rebels here [18]. The source [19] used to justify this edit was quoting pro rebel sources and clearly biased. Since the source was not neutral i reverted the edit. Now the editor in question has personally visited my talk page and threatened me with reporting me to an admin for an unjustified rollback [20]...
Now i have the feeling biased editors are justifying rebel advances by quoting, for them 'reliable' sources, even though these sources as biased.
I'd like to know if there are any standards for using 'reliable' biased sources here?
Cheers. Spenk01 ( talk) 00:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
NightShadeAEB Boredwhytekid There has been a various POV vandalism edits since Hanibal is blocked. The same editors just revert back when i revert their edit. How to report someone ? I never did this before so i don't know DuckZz ( talk) 15:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Bashkeuy was cleaned from Assad's Army: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1C2nDJVkf0&feature=youtu.be 88.226.73.222 ( talk) 19:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Acc. to pro-gov sources, Army "has captured Taloul Al-Hamr (Tuloul al Hemer) in Al-Quneitra" and "Hadar is no longer besieged" Sources: [24] [25] [26]. No confirmation yet from pro-rebel sources. Stharkov ( talk) 19:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
SAA forces recaptured Skakh (Sakaka), west of al-Tha’la military airport. Source: SOHR [27] pro-gov sources: Rook and ElectronicResistance stharkov ( talk) 11:58, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Reporting user LightandDark2000 for using rebel sources for rebel advances, kurdish sources for kurdish advances here1, and here2. I don't want to revert those edits because that obviously doesn't make any sense, the user will do it again. DuckZz ( talk) 14:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
It took a long time to have the Damascus map updated with the information from the Pentagon linked ISW reports. Now the map has been reverted to the inaccurate old map. Why is this? The top left corner is Purple and the bottom left corner is mostly government except for one besieged city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 21:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Al-Rastan should be changed to contested based on this televised report from Al-Mayadeen from inside the city where they state that the syrian army still controll the northern neighboorhoods of the inside city.
http://mayadeen.trafficmanager.net/Newscast/nJGsr09A,EGmTaJfAN_SlA/6/2013-10-22
http://www.almayadeen.net/news/syria-HKAjFbEGsk6hxaS5ANS9RA/الرستن-واحدة-من-أعقد-مناطق-تواجد-المسلحين-في-شمال-حمص ( Ali bachir ( talk) 10:53, 20 June 2015 (UTC))
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This is not about some random claim from Al-Mayadeen, i know they are pro gov, but this is a tv report where they are reporting from INSIDE the city, their reporter concluded the report by a video message from inside the city northern neighboorhood where SAA soldiere are positionned so it should be changed to contested. ( Ali bachir ( talk) 12:19, 20 June 2015 (UTC))
Or it should be changed to three way held (Nusra, FSA, SSA). There is an icon for that. Rhocagil ( talk) 15:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The map lists Hammam al Turkman and Sharakarak as under YPG control, yet two pro-YPG/rebel maps [29] [30] show them both under ISIS control for the time being. Additionally, a more conservative map maker [31] depicts that Ayn Issa and Qantari were not taken either, although Qantari was later reached today, but this means we labelled Qantari as YPG days before this happened. What sources are editors here relying on? It's difficult to browse through the edit history every time a major change is made, so can editors please just drop a shout here in the discussion, as a courtesy call? Then when issues like this arise, we can easily access the sources responsible.
I'm not sure what to do about Ayn Issa. Others on Twitter claim to have local sources (SRO, CizireCanton, etc), yet others still speak of a push towards Ayn Issa taking place now, alongside Sarrin. After Qantari, there's some serious questioning regarding the status of Ayn Issa. Especially since Liwa Thuwwar al Raqqa is claiming they were as far south as Khunayza ("almost") [32] and Tel Seman [33] while also claiming they are assaulting Hazima [34]. Those are so close to Raqqa, around here [35]. I don't see any non-anonymous source aside from LTR on Twitter or anywhere else for Ayn Issa. For the time being, we should wait until we had confirmation that Ayn Issa is captured. I'm also reverting Hammam al Turkman and Sharakarak since nobody has seriously claimed them. NightShadeAEB ( talk) 00:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
NightShadeAEB, can you edit that Islamic State pocket west of Tall Abyad to YPG control? There are 9 villages there. These sources say that it is no longer under Islamic State control.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LCarabinier/status/611227480343584768/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/611339220444160000/photo/1
Thank you. With regards to the editing based on questionable/ameteur sources, I do think it's true some people were too quick to edit based on rumors. However, I also think it's important to trust people's good faith when they edit. In many cases, the reports are quite accurate, but more trustworthy sources don't report the news until later. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 01:56, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
According to this pro-kurdish map released today (18 june) YPG/FSA-forces are yet not in Ayn Issa and villages just east of Al-Qantari are still under ISIS control. Rhocagil ( talk) 19:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/11638630/Al-Nusra-Front-rebels-take-Idlibs-last-Syria-regime-bastion-in-pictures.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.219.34 ( talk) 22:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
We already had a disqussion about this. These sites are using SOHR as a source, but obviously wrong, because SOHR clearly said "Jaish Fatah" and named 5 groups, together with Al Nusra, not enough for joint control. DuckZz ( talk) 22:51, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
DuckZz You are arguing that the lime-yellow dot´s inside Kobane Canton should stay that way because that was the way they where reported captured. In the same way, if you follow your own logic Ariha must be marked under joint control (lime-grey). "SOHR clearly said "Jaish Fatah" and named 5 groups, together with Al Nusra" exactly, together = joint control. I don´t know if you are pro FSA and I don´t really care, but i serenely look like you are if you argument like this and you should at least pretend to do neutral edits. I think you are the most stabile editor since Hanibal was blocked (btw: why the FU** was he blocked? was he not the most nerd-loyal to the rules there is?). Well so please DuckZz keep up the good fight against the vandalizing. Rhocagil ( talk) 15:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Rhocagil Spenk01 Ariha was a compensation for Idlib town. What does this mean ? We had a really hard disqussion about Idlib town, few days after it fell. SOHR and other rebel sources named groups which participated, and numbers, we used JAN sources and rebel sources. All of them stated that Al Nusra was only like 35% involved during the clashes. Which means that the joint control rule wansn't there, but still Idlib town stayed under joint control. Hanibal was the first person to change Ariha town, and he marked it as under rebel control, probably realizing his mistake for Idlib town.
DuckZz I thought Jaish Fateh was an operation room witch included JAN. As for Kobane the FSA forces are about 5% maximum 10% of joint the operation room there and the only place that is de facto under joint control now is Tal Abyad and especially it´s border crossing. Witch the kurds argued to maintain that way to try to calm Turkey. Probably maybe Ayn Issa will go under joint control, if and when it´s captured. Rhocagil ( talk) 16:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
As for Jabhat al Nusra - the fact that it is being equated to the combined might of the rest of the opposition's factions, doesn't seem balanced at all. Ariha's area in Jabal al Arbaeen is a traditional stronghold of Suqur al Sham, now subsumed into Ahrar al Sham, making the non-Nusra Islamists more powerful than ever. Why would Nusra be treated as an equal here? Even for Idlib, Saraqeb, Maarat al Nuuman and Khan Shikhoun the colours don't make sense. Jisr al Shughour makes sense because of the presence of Jabhat Ansar al Din and Junud al Sham which lend weight to the Nusra-Jund al Aqsa Salafi-jihadi brotherhood. But this trend of turning every city where Nusra makes headlines into Nusraland is very biased.
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NightShadeAEB (The Suluk edit) It does not stand to common sense that FSA was there when captured. The FSA that joined in with YPG from the east front was merely a hand full. And I don´t care "common sense" since that is something existing very rarely in here. I do care sources and and discussion about them. And now a source was provided for the Suluk take over, trustworthy or not I don´t know but it was a source. I´m sorry for my edit and I stand corrected. As for the Tell Abyad situation this is one of few, maybe the only situation where there is de facto a joint control over a town or parts of it between YPG-FSA as the Kurds clearly said that this is the way Aranews Rhocagil ( talk) 21:35, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
According to Now Lebanon there have been clashes going on between Kurdish forces and regime forces in the city of Qamishli. [47] 76.99.189.128 ( talk) 18:34, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Al-Masdar reports about new clashes in th city. 93.182.46.24 ( talk) 13:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Reports of the SAA taking Al-Biyarat, Homs, 10km from Palmyra Daily Star, The Sun.. both citing SOHR and al-Watan. Location of Al-Biyarat? Boredwhytekid ( talk) 14:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I know it has been used as a justification for 1RR blocks, but is this actually allowed?
Per WP:GS/SCW#Remedies,
All articles related to the Syrian Civil War and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, broadly construed, are placed under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24 hour period). When in doubt, assume an edit is related and so is a revert.
Per Wikipedia:What_is_an_article?#Namespace,
"Articles" belong to the main namespace of Wikipedia pages (also called "article namespace" or simply "mainspace").
As this page isn't in the mainspace, and therefore isn't an article, I cannot see how the 1RR applies. Did I miss something? Banak ( talk) 19:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I've just blocked three different people for violating 1RR sanctions on this article in the last ~24 hours.
Everyone, please be careful not to edit war but instead to consistently use the talk page. If you see anyone violating 1RR, please report them rather than just violating it yourself to get your preferred version back.
I realize it's not ideal, and not all edits come equal, but it's the way that the rules are written, and for good reason: it helps keep sanity around here.
Thanks. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 22:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Can you block the person who reverted the Damascus area map to the old inaccurate map? Why was this done? It is an obvious violation of the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.10 ( talk) 21:33, 20 June 2015 (UTC)