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please 2601:3:3880:494:7DB4:C0C4:5251:502D ( talk) 23:09, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that LightandDark2000 doesn't have a clue with what sources he is editing example here he is using a pro-side source, here,also he is editing without any sources to here. Lindi29 ( talk) 17:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro-gov source report on the sugar factory amid fierce clashes, here. Lindi29 ( talk) 19:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
No reason to put Tall-Hamaka green. We are back to take SOHR as the source of truth. Other sources no more partisan than SOHR states the opposite: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/591614810837618689 and https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/591612029724663810. Just let's put it contested and wait. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
according to sohr arabic ,saa recaptured tall hamaka http://www.syriahr.com/2015/04/%D8%A3%D9%83%D8%AB%D8%B1-%D9%85%D9%86-44-%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%B7-%D8%AC%D8%B3%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9/ 176.42.119.155 ( talk) 16:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
ISIS appears to have this base under seige following its recent assault there: IS jihadists 'down regime aircraft in south Syria' Nulla Taciti ( talk) 15:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Is the town of Hudhud east of Manjib really SAA held ? and if so how did they get there as all places around are ISIL held .Can someone explain thankyou . 86.178.97.133 ( talk) 16:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Guys I don't know why Mayda'a and Zebdin are marked as regime held. SAA forces pushed into them but retreated via loyalist sources showing them under rebel control ever since their summer offensive: [1] [2] [3] [4] I could not find newer sources partly because it has been a calm frontline. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Contested perhaps, but not regime held, change it to contested then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.157.18.68 ( talk) 10:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Section for questions and request of changes DuckZz ( talk) 21:36, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
May be someone has a data from neutral sources about situation around city of Sarrin. Becasue a pro Kurdish sources reported that they advanced and captured several villages. But pro ISIS source reported that ISIS launched counterattack and recaptured villages of Qerat,Ra's Al 'Ayn, Erna and Kark. here General Shami Hanibal911 ( talk) 16:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Was just about to ask the same thing, because Pro-Kurd sources are also contradicting themselves on the grain silos, and where YPG forces are stationed. Some say the silos are taken, others say IS repulsed the assault despite airstrikes, and others are saying they are fighting in Sarrin itself, others say they are being pushed back by IS counter-offensive. I think what is going on is that because both sides are thin on forces there, small units on both sides are punching each other at the same time as IS moves up fresh company sized forces to replace fought out units and atritt YPG and hit their smaller detachments with maimum force while Airstrikes hit largely vacated positions. Similar to what the NVA did Tgoll774 ( talk) 16:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDSSbkVUkAAeAcZ.jpg Chuck Pfarer a pro-YPG source, but yesterday he said YPG took the silos, now he has backtracked. https://twitter.com/freelancejorno/status/591352696990466049/photo/1 Pro-IS saying IS has successfully counter-attacked. I don't see any other sources so I can't say what is going on, but its pretty clear heay fighting is going on and YPG backtracked on saying they captured the silos. https://twitter.com/mrasiell/status/591337540088700929 Pro-IS Source. Don't know at this point, just going to have to see what other sources come up. But it looks like with Tishrin Secured, the YPG have hit the limits of their advance. Tgoll774 ( talk) 21:54, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDTtgO6UgAAWAeF.jpg Pro YPG source, but admits Khirbat al-Burj and Qirat Kurdan, as seen on the map as retaken by IS, Ras al-Ayn looks contested. Tgoll774 ( talk) 02:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdoE0SXIAAFxZw.png:large Pro-Kurd
https://twitter.com/mraseill/status/592025037038837760/photo/1 Pro-IS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdi9O2UsAAP3h5.jpg Pro-Kurd
Leave it to you guys to cross reference Tgoll774 ( talk) 20:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
According to their official media they captured three hills south of the town:
This is confirmed by SOHR so we could make the change (northwest Tal Tamr = Manajir):
Problem is, no source actually mentions the name of the hills, does anyone know where they are located?
186.112.206.36 ( talk) 15:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
It seems like the map ( Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map/doc) doesn't always update immediately after an edit of the module. To make the map update, just make an Wikipedia:Null edit of the documentation page. -- Ahmetyal ( talk) 12:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Or at the very least, is being contested. I have no idea whether it should be listed as Green or Grey, since both Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar ash-Sham are operating in/around this area.
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/591860301055700993 (pro-Gov source showcasing JaF in Jusr ash-Shughur
http://i.imgur.com/aV7yzto.png (picture from pro-Rebel source showing list of conquered buildings)
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/591869301663010819 (AFPfr claiming that the city has fallen outright to JaF)
Hanibal911 The sugar factory and Bishlaymun were captured last night. I have only pro-opposition sources so someone else needs to agree so i can change it. Also they said that rebels captured the hospital too. DuckZz ( talk) 11:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
And again I have the same problem with this joint control. Al Nusra did participate, like in every offensive, but how much ? I have already posted a source where the Idlib council says that Idlib will not be controled by a Rebel group but by the council itself, and it's said that "JAN moves on", and this Jisr Shugur offensive is just the confirmatiom. Idlib is still under joint control.
Bishmalun is west of Jisr Shugur. It has been captured last night (according to pro-rebel sources). This video is from this morning showing IF members in this village capturing a checkpoint near it (means they already captured the village itself) DuckZz ( talk) 11:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 And yes, i want to hear what other editors think about this. I belive that Jisr Shugur shouldn't go under Joint control. The areas around it are already marked as grey. The town is full of videos from other rebel groups. But i'm not the one to decide. DuckZz ( talk) 11:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 As you can see. Those pictures show both JAN and rebel fighters. The same pictures are published by IF and other rebel groups because they show their fighers, and JAN. To prove this, look at the pictures, you can see 2 logos, one shows JAN, the other for Rebel groups. But whatever, we both know that we have different views, i want other editors to give their opinions. Something else, map is published by IF showing the situation, it looks like SAA fled from the entire area to Istabrag. DuckZz ( talk) 12:23, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Here, the only pro-opposition source who said that Zijarah village is still under government control says that rebels actually captured it. Now we have SOHR and pro-opposition sources confirming this village under rebel control. Or do you have something else ? DuckZz ( talk) 22:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro SAA sources are saying counter attack has begun sugar factory retaken and fighting at western entrance of City but we need pro opp sources to confirm as we need pro saa sources or neutral to show rebel gains . 86.178.102.168 ( talk) 09:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 ChrissCh94 Ahmetyal This is what i was talking about the whole time. The most famous Syrian reporter Ha.Abdulah (on rebel held territories) says that Al Nusra does not hold Jisr Shugur and Idlib town. He said on his twitter account that Jisr Shugur is held mainly by rebel groups and not JAN. He is the most reliable person we have, why ? Well because he was both in Idlib and Jisr Shugur town, now he's in Ghab plain too. I belive him, now the question is, what do others think ? DuckZz ( talk) 17:43, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Recent Agathocle http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Idlib-hama-situation-26-April-2015-@deSyracuse.png confirms partially report from Al masdar and PetoLucem: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armed-forces-recapture-territory-during-night-raids-in-west-hama/, http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/update-from-jisr-al-shughour-fierce-clashes-at-national-hospital/, https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592250947193143296, https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592248757930074112, https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592246915217108992. At least Sugar factory contested and Tammiyah contested. In practice contested for Agathocle means under SAA control. Paolowalter ( talk) 18:20, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Intence fighting now as tiger force arrives from west and Hezzbolah arrive from south . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 18:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Not really, in the post it say that rebels are there not that they took the town. In the same post there is a claim that it is controlled by NDF. There is contradictory info: https://twitter.com/Amin_Akh/status/592439271031713793 states it is under rebel control, while https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592452479155048448 it is on the front line. Let's go fpr contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Latest Al masdar report http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-secures-ghaniyah-in-the-al-ghaab-plains/ contradict several locations in the Al-Ghaab plan. Paolowalter ( talk) 07:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 .Have rebels taken brick factory east of Ariha ? 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 08:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 You still didn't gave any opinion regarding my post about Hadi Abdalah and how he says that JAN did not captured Jisr Shugur DuckZz ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 We can't ignore it, but lets be fair. The same guy said that JAN hasn't even control of Idlib. But lets say leave Idlib to joint control. JAN has 2 circles around Jisr Shugur. If you wan't to be fair and belive that guy ( who is currently in Qarmed factory) then one of these 2 towns should go under rebel control. If you ask me, i belive that JAN did had an important role in capturing Jisr Shugur, so it should stay under joint control. But then Idlib should be changed because we know that JAN "moved on" (i already posted that IF statement), and to confirm that, we have Jisr Shugur and Qarmed factory offensives, with JAN influences. DuckZz ( talk) 10:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
HANIBAL911 .Thankyou . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 20:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
NightShadeAEB .I have to disagree with you on this point ,if we have a opposition or neutral source that backs up pro government source we can use it those are the rules .The same applies to rebel gains and Hanibal911 has proven time after time to be a unbiased editor .The reason we have to wait some times to change the map is we need to stick to the rules .You would have something to complain about if changes were made without the rules being applied . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 07:04, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
There is a problem using twitter accounts for showing advances agreed there was a time when no twitter ,facebook or video evidence was permitted but that seems to have changed because of the time waiting for more reliable evidence to show us the situation .How ever I disagree about the time you say it took to change Idlib but agree about Nassab but that was because of sticking to the rules also we must take into account there is a problem uploading the map at present i think they are working on it .Last thing I hope you agree Jisr ash Sughur and the brick factory were changed to rebel held in good time so its not always the case .Thanks for responding . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 08:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
We should not rely on poorly know twitter source like Bosno Sinj for any change. That make the editing slow but we can live with it. The other comments from NightShadeAEB are irrelevant and false. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro-govt local source reports clashes ongoing in the Abyad village south of the city:
Meanwhile, pro-IS source reports gains for IS in the Abyad-Hasakah road:
https://twitter.com/mraseill/status/592409943212449793
Kurdish sources, on the other side, report clashes south of the city without really specificating:
https://twitter.com/Avashin/status/592402292416053250
And pro-oppo local source report IS launched an offensive against Abyad:
https://www.facebook.com/raman.yusif/posts/827483420665333
While this confirms Abyad was still under govt control despite being marked black, the fact that a reliable pro-govt source reports it as contested means it should be put as red-black contested and not outright red, so unless someone is against it I suggest that the proper edit is made. 186.112.206.36 ( talk) 19:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Done, but the map is slow to update. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
SAA&NDF take control of Al-Dawudiyah south of Hasakah after clashes with IS: Stharkov ( talk) 15:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/592687392072536064
MrPenguin20 is the user mantaining this page and will change it (yuo can contact him personally). Paolowalter ( talk) 21:22, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
News from Al-Masdar about ISIS-SAA clashes in south east Hasaka. Paolowalter ( talk) 07:13, 28 April 2015 (UTC) Paolowalter EkoGraf Antigovernment source reported that after clashes between Regime forces against ISIS to south Hasakah the Regime forces successfully seized over 5 villages completely and over the International school and pushed ISIS fighters on distance around 20 km to south from the city. Qasion News So source confirmed report from Al Masdar here and indicated that Syrian troops pulled ISIS on long distance from Hasakah and captured over 5 villages. So what you think about this. Hanibal911 ( talk) 15:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC) That confirms again and again that Al Masdar is one of the most reliable source available and only jihadist supporter prevent it being used routinely just because they are obsessed when more red points arrive on the map. The action is now to turn red the villages indicated by the various sources. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Report from https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/592683182392274944 and https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592692955967844352 that Qastoun and Ziyārah are taken by SAA. Let's watch out. Paolowalter ( talk) 14:32, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 I belive that Ghani village is under rebel control, with no presence of SAA soldiers anywere near, Ishtabraq not included. What source did said that clashes are in that village ? This video clearly shows the village empty, with clashes far away from it. We may have a pro-government source because LeithFadel said that Ansar Deen rebels "are atacking Istabraq village and massacred 150 civilians there", of course this is propaganda and not anywere near the truth but it may confirm that Ghani is basically empty because this video shows the same group. DuckZz ( talk) 21:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Paolowalter This was the only source that said that Qastun was under clashes. Now he says that rebels have the control again. It can be used DuckZz ( talk) 08:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
No. There were several pro-governmet source stating it: see http://www.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/CDnfNGsW0AEPdeN.jpg. It was just a backup pro-rebel source. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Paolowalter Hanibal911 The point is, we only had pro-government sources. After he said that Qastun was under clashes we changed it because of him. Now he says rebels control the town again. And now we only have pro-government sources saying that this town is not under rebel control. You get me ? Also something else, the same source says that rebels may have captured Fawru village and this pro-government source is showing Fawru under clashes, so the village should go at least to contested or rebel held, because i can't really see the difference in Petolucem'map between this red contested color. DuckZz ( talk) 08:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 But wait a minute. For Qastun, we had pro-government sources, and 1 "pro-rebel source". Now the same pro-rebel source said that Qastun is back under rebel control. So that means that now we only have pro-government sources. I think the rules are clear, no neutraul no rebel sources, only pro-government, that means Qastun should be reverted back. DuckZz ( talk) 09:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Also this source shows Qastun way behind rebel lines. DuckZz ( talk) 09:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Also pro-government states Qastun is contested now http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/intense-firefights-ignite-the-battle-in-idlib/. Paolowalter ( talk) 12:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro opposition source reported about clashes between rebels and ISIS in the town of Qahtaniyah. Syrian Rebellion Observatory Qasion News Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
According to SOHR, rebels captured more than 100 soldiers in Jisr and Istabraq. Pro-opposition sources are saying that rebels took control of this village here. Opinions ? DuckZz ( talk) 21:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/complete-field-report-from-jisr-al-shughour/ confirms Istabraq felt to the rebels. Furthermore SAA is holding the national hospital and Musbeen is held by SAA but under attack. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro gov. source: NDF and Syria-n Resistance take control of Fawru in Al-Ghab Plain Hama after intense clashes with Jaish_Fateh. https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/593293046084538369 Photo: https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/593441667593719808 Stharkov ( talk) 16:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The following maps from Res Publica show YPG advance via videos they published in the past few days:
https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/593154163086884864
While I understand amateur videos can't be used to show advances, reliable sources had already confirmed 3 days ago that YPG advanced in the area and gained control of some points:
http://ypgrojava.com/en/index.php/statements/616-military-operations-in-kobane-and-cizire-significantly-concluding ¡ So could someone make the changes then and add the villages? Video footage supported by reliable sources should be enough in this case I believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.254.21.203 ( talk) 12:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I have added the villages showed here: https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/593154163086884864 , Res Publica is a source not less reliable than the other editors (Marc Monomonier, De Syracuse...) often used as sources. -- 8fra0 ( talk) 19:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear Users, I#m new here and try to start. Confirmed by Photos: Government Troops recaptured the village "Fawru" from Rebels south of Jisr Al-Shugour. https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/593441667593719808
Please change from contestes to red — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingkongorr ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-advances-at-sakr-island-in-deir-ezzor/ states that al-Shoula is contested between SAA and ISIS. It confirms the red-black dot on the map. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
There is this map in http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/map-of-deir-ezzor-syrian-army-ground-development-since-january-2015/#prettyPhoto. The map is from an indipendent guy who put together infos from sohr and al masdar. It is quite similar tp ours. I think we can use it for some corrections. What do think? Paolowalter ( talk) 11:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Pro-Reb. is reporting SAA advances into Naima, east of Daraa city here. I guess there should be a red semicircle present. Possibly wait for more reporting MesmerMe ( talk) 13:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Faylaq al Sham has released videos showing fighting in Hawsh Musibeen, a green area. [10] [11] They claim to have taken Tal Musibeen and Hawsh Musibeen checkpoints. The presence of trees and heights in the video clearly shows fighting is here, well to the southwest of the army station near the Brick Factory portrayed in the map as regime held. Thus the station should be changed to rebel held, while the checkpoint after it should be contested. See the topography: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.852970&lon=36.660948&z=16&m=b NightShadeAEB ( talk) 16:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal is right. Videos can be made by anyone. It's not the problem about the location, because we obviously can see where it was shoot, but the problem is "when was it filmed", because videos are being uploaded at least 24hours after the shoot. I really don't know what's wrong with you guys, can't you really wait 2 days for real objective and reliable sources for an edit, why do you need to change it basically 2 hours after the video was uploaded. I understand the problem with Zijarah and Qastun village, i do belive that rebels have full control but I'm patient and will wait. DuckZz ( talk) 21:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
the long standing "rules" around this map based on consensus are key for holding this map project together and not making it so crazy-- if you allow videos this whole thing will become too bogged down with constant videos, videos shot by who knows at who knows where, even more difficulty at getting through the fog of war and massive amount of social media propaganda surrounding this war. It must be the most in history, as its a recent phenomenon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.154.235 ( talk) 20:32, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
DuckZz I ALREADY discussed this a month ago and gave all my sources and nobody bothered to move a thing - I was busy writing my paper and now I have time to correct this. The map looks like a mess, with people arbitrarily doing stuff that makes no sense, taking the most miscellaneous reports to decide who controls what. Binnish, the capital of Jabhat al Nusra, is marked green, while Maarat al Nuuman, the stronghold of Suqur al Sham and the FSA is marked as grey (not all FSA is SRF & Hazzm). Changing Maarat al Nuuman, the second largest city of the province, to shared control is "POV"? Or Rastan where you still have Faylaq Homs and Ahrar al Sham? Or Marea where Nusra continues to arrest corrupt FSA? There is zero consistency in this. The compromise is to make them all into shared control, otherwise we can go into details based on how dominant is Nusra to make some fully green or fully grey. It doesn't matter what you choose, but be consistent about it, and don't ignore discussions that have already been presented. NightShadeAEB ( talk) 05:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I haven't said that changing things is a problem, but you didn't made 1 edit, you made a quite alot of them just like that. And here is my problem
Just to be honest. I can't be neutral in this situation because i was the one asking not to make a grey color. But as it's already there. You can change every grey town to green if you ask me, but there are rules. I only have sources for towns where JAN has "currently" no presence, for example in Binnish, pro-government sources confirmed that with their maps. That's about it. Marat Numan and Rastan have a question mark for me. DuckZz ( talk) 10:34, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm getting pretty tired of villages flipping between grey and green, and starting to really dislike the idea of separate colours for them. It seems a bit of a waste of effort trying to decide what type of rebels we have. Banak ( talk) 18:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Banak NightShadeAEB What to remove ? Joint control icon or grey icon completely ? Hanibal is the person you should ask about this, as i don't care for the grey color. DuckZz ( talk) 20:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
We decided to add the grey color for Jabhat al-Nusra because there was a large fight between them and moderate rebels in Idlib province, and Nusra won. We wanted to show that Nusra controlled many towns and bases. personally, I think that if we knew all of the towns that are Nusra-controlled, then we should absolutely use grey dots to show these towns. But the fact is, we don't know which towns they have complete control over, and which towns they have only some presence in. All of the various sources covering this war disagree on which towns Nusra controls.
I think that if Nusra does something similar to what ISIS did and declares an Islamic emirate (they have already helped take Idlib and Jisr Shougour), then grey dots would be a good idea, but in the current situation with combined groups like Jaish Fatah, I think the grey color should be removed from the map. Unless we can verify each town and village, finding out if Nusra controls it, then making all those towns green is the simplest and best option. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4587:3ABE:1820:29B7 ( talk) 00:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
They should definitely be kept grey. They have a distinct goal and identity- their ideology is the same as IS. They do not work with any US and NATO sponsored rebels. They distinctly split from more moderate and secular rebels. They have ethnically cleansed any ethnic and religious minorities in their areas. I am shocked that some in moderate rebels still have no problem with identifying with and working so closely with JN. JN is Al Qaeda it should be a separate color. They are terrorists and should not be grouped with more moderate rebels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.92 ( talk) 17:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Why is this city kept red? Everyone admits that Jisr al shoughur is taken by JaN and rebels.SAA only in possesion of national hospital — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.170.46 ( talk) 14:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Is anybody aware of where this checkpoint is? www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-the-syrian-army-captures-al-tanimiyah-checkpoint-in-south-jisr-al-shughour/ Paolowalter ( talk) 15:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
According to pro-govt map maker Amin Akh: Marbelt, Tel Martaabi and likely Ash Sayk Sa'ad are under Nusra/rebel control:
https://twitter.com/Amin_Akh/status/594344232623677441
190.67.224.185 ( talk) 05:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
i agree with hanibal. Hwinsp ( talk) 09:35, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
according to SOHR arabic , SAA captured ziyarah and over large parts of tell wasit http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%87%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D9%88/ Hwinsp ( talk) 06:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
After having been contested for some days al-ziyarah under SAA control https://twitter.com/Conflict_Report/status/594433366461669377. Paolowalter ( talk) 11:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Loyalist claim that Ghmam is under SAA control [PetoLucem https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/5944234635043799040] waiting for confirmation. Paolowalter ( talk) 10:35, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Apparently there is an ongoing offensive in Latakia, Salma area by SAA http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-armed-forces-capture-strategic-hills-at-salma-in-ne-latakia/, some progress from SAA is claimed. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC) A confirmation by SOHR http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/04/3-members-of-the-regime-forces-killed-in-an-ambush-and-the-clashes-continue-in-the-northern-countryside-of-lattakia/. Is al- Ghanmah Hill the location in http://wikimapia.org/#lang=it&lat=35.675426&lon=36.006918&z=14&m=b marked green on the map?. Paolowalter ( talk) 20:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Other info on SAA advancement in the area https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/593886734280237056. Any confirmation? Paolowalter ( talk) 21:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
A map of Latakia area https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/593887781954420737. Basically it agrees with ours but it suggest Kafr Ajuz is under SAA control and Salma is contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 21:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Who changed Kafr Dulbah to contested (that I think it is correct) and Kafr ajuz green (it is likely to be red). Paolowalter ( talk) 21:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Ghanam captured by SAA(falsely Ghamam on map) couldn't fine neutral source, Peto tends to be fine. https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/594423463504379904/photo/1 Totholio ( talk) 15:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Confirmed by [almasdar http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-of-the-idlib-governorate/#prettyPhoto]. Paolowalter ( talk) 20:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
End of YPG and rebels cooperation in Aleppo after one year of agreements. Syrian Rebellion Observatory And after two days of tension between them, dozen of rebel groups ready for war against kurdish forces in Aleppo. Syrian Rebellion Observatory And 30 April some IF battalions denounce YPG - Ahl al-Sham agreement which was signed in 2014. Syrian Rebellion Observatory Hanibal911 ( talk) 11:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
According to this source:
http://waarmedia.com/english/ypg-retakes-two-villages-from-is/
YPG retook the villages of Tal Damsheed and Siyar, while the source is clearly pro-kurdish, there is also confirmation from SOHR of kurdish advances in the same area:
http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/05/19-people-killed-in-deir-ezzor-and-ypg-advances-agains-in-al-hasakah/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.67.224.185 ( talk) 13:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Is it a problem of mine or the map is not updated? Paolowalter ( talk) 16:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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change { lat = "33.166", long = "37.595", mark = "80x80-red-black-anim.gif", marksize = "6", label = " Karkiz", link = "#no", label_size = "0", position = "top" }, to { lat = "36.166", long = "37.595", mark = "80x80-red-black-anim.gif", marksize = "6", label = " Karkiz", link = "#no", label_size = "0", position = "top" }, incorrect coordinates for Karkiz marked by Hanibal, places location of contested village out in the middle of the Syrian desert. should be these. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4839:1AB:A62B:CDB5 ( talk) 01:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
2601:0:B200:F7D9:4839:1AB:A62B:CDB5 ( talk) 01:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Report that Tal Ma’ar Tab’i is retaken by SAA [17]. Also the SOHR article [18] used to turn it under attack was mentioning SAA advance. I think it should go red. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:44, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Syrian Army has captured Maydaa in East Ghouta, pro-Gov [1] and rebel source [2] SyAAF ( talk) 12:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
If this is true it may have major impact on the whole of northern Syria . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 17:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Pro opposition source said that the Syrian troop entered to village of Karkiz near the Kweiris military airport and that clashes ongoing in the village. BosnoSinj Hanibal911 ( talk) 20:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 That is supported by http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-demands-the-saa-surrender-at-kuweires-airbase-fierce-clashes-ensue/. Why was it reverted? Paolowalter ( talk) 16:06, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Some SAA advance in Hasaka Southeast https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/595310596964425729 and http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-8-villages-in-southeast-al-hasakah/. Unlikely to obtain other info from those remote areas. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
In [19] Desyracuse seems to have found the villages taken by SAA. They are not the ones changed on the map on the south. All of them are on the Hasaka map, that must updated. Paolowalter ( talk) 11:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Do ISIS members really control Quneitra town and the border post ? According to rebel sources, Qantaniyah was the last IS held area in this province. They did capture the border area, but it was changed to green according to SOHR and other sources. Then it was changed again according to "for me" unknown twitter reporter. This source is important only becasue it quotes a rebel leader and he says that by capturing Qantaniyah, they are donne with IS in Quneitra province. Opinions ? DuckZz ( talk) 23:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
yahoo news reports "the group captured the village of Hasina on the Syrian side of the border" with Lebanon. http://news.yahoo.com/lebanese-held-hostage-syria-militants-appear-video-101307544.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.27.234 ( talk) 06:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Opposition killed 20 Syrian Army soldiers, took control of four checkpoints near Jbourin and Kafrnan, pro-Bashar al-Assad villages, north of Homs.
https://en.zamanalwsl.net/news/9958.html
212.174.38.3 (
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Pro-government source Peto Lucem has Sararifiyah (near Tall Hamakah, east of the thermal power plant) under rebel control in his current map here. This seems reasonable to me since the short-termed rebel attack on Tall Hamakah a few weeks ago had to start from somewhere. 131.188.48.167 ( talk) 18:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Pro opposition source reported that the Syrian troops recapture the Sugar Factory to south from the city of Jisr al Shughur. here and pro government source said that Syrian troops capture the strategic Sugar Factory at the outskirts of Jisr Al-Shughour and village Qarta to south-east from Jisr Al-Shughour. Al Masdar And SOHR reported that warplanes implementation made about 50 raids on the city of Jisr al Shughur and his surroundings and also said about progress of the Syrian troops, NDF and their allied in the countryside of Jisr al Shughur. SOHR SOHR Hanibal911 ( talk) 07:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems that SAA has taken Tell Majdal west of Hasakah [20]. It seems that this fact is confermed by anti government page. Is it sufficient? Paolowalter ( talk) 20:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Earlier this day and prior to that tweet YPG posted footage of its forces taking control of the village after the airstrikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDp9arEWCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfUO9SEawM
Confirmation by QasionNews: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=829278840491171
The pro-IS sources that mention SAA capturing the villages all mention airstrikes of the coalition:
https://twitter.com/QHTANIYEH/status/596749442532933633
Seeing how the pro-IS sources often claim YPG victories for the SAA to slander them it seems likely that this is just another case of that happening.
190.67.43.88 ( talk) 20:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
We must change the black dot, but I do not know if red or yellow is the right choice. Maybe joint control. The pull out of IS from this location means that also the detailed map must be corrected reducing the black area west of Hasaka. Paolowalter ( talk) 20:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Seems ok to me, but who do we give the black area to? There's no indicative at all of where did each force attack from and we can't turn the area full red or full yellow just because. 190.67.43.88 ( talk) 20:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Im neutral with the war in Syria and I'm always active on twitter in which I confirm situation and taken areas, I would like to join and help you guys out. It seriously would mean the best. Thank You
-regards, Syrian123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrian132 ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
PKK aligned media has claimed that YPG captured 8 villages and several hamlets following fierce clashes today:
Elmaha, Dişo, Siraç, Hela, Behama, Effan, Keşke and Gişat villages, Rezazê hill plus 4 hamlets which are reportedly all near Aliyah.
Furthermore, SOHR confirmed their progress:
While at the southwestern front, reliable Hassan Ridha has reported that YPG is clashing with ISIS at Tal Nasri, Twain and Aghbish:
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/596226642793533440
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So, for the advance near Aliyah it's gonna be hard to put the villages in since they're probably their kurdish names and not the arabic ones that are present here or at wikimapia, can anyone help here?
For the situation at southwest/south Tal Tamr however I guess we can switch the mentioned villages to contested since Hassan is reliable source, opinions?
Edit: Hardline pro-IS source admits capture of two villages at rural Serekaniye/Ras al Ayn: Ghishqa and Hillah
https://twitter.com/QHTANIYAH/status/596257332985737216 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.32.116.216 ( talk) 11:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks for your help Roboskiye and Hanibal!
According to reliable pro-oppo al Qasion news the -probably arabic- names of the villages liberated are these: Al-malha, Aldeshu, sraj, hiala,alkasha, Aallon, Akoshat, and Razzazah
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=828879927197729
Did you find any of these when at wikimapia, Roboskiye? Maybe it could be helpful since the names posted by pro-ypg sources are oftne in kurdish.
179.32.116.216 ( talk) 02:09, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
YPG has claimed to be in control of the villages of
Nevermind, this map by Res Publica shows the two villages captured by YPG we've not market yet, Muqeren and al-Nawfaliyah:
https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/596354890059907072
I would suggest putting them under YPG control, and while his map does show the countryside between the captured villages and Manajir as YPG controlled, I suppose it'd be better to wait for more sources before turning the newly formed IS pocket into yellow, your thoughts? 179.32.116.216 ( talk) 03:27, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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According to kurdish media YPG has taken control of the villages of Tal Majdal and Ashrah supported by coalition airstrikes and posting video footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDp9arEWCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfUO9SEawM
Pro-govt twitter confirms at least the liberation of Tal Majdal:
https://twitter.com/ResistanceER/status/596682394901569538
The villages can be found here:
While pro-govt and pro-kurdish sources aren't enough for making a change like this, it would be helpful if anyone could post info from neutral sources so the situation can be confirmed or not.
179.32.116.216 ( talk) 16:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok the Tal Majdal issue has been solved at the West Hasakah subsection but could someone do the edits posted by Roboskiye? SOHR confirmation and video footage from YPG should be enough.
190.67.43.88 ( talk) 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 as of the latest revision you used CCnews map to edit some yellow dots back to black but that wasn't the most recent version of his map, you have to click here:
And you will see that Aliya is clearly contested as it was earlier.
Also in the same map that Tal Majdal is neither under kurdish nor under govt control, which can be verified since:
1. YPG's website claims first that the village is under their control but afterwards says clearly that they are ongoing: http://ypgrojava.com/en/index.php/statements/638-cizire-and-kobane-five-more-villages-liberated-through-unwavering-operations
2. Pro-IS sources (including @QNTANIYEH which has been since suspended by twitter) have claimed a counterattack in which they recaptured the village of Tal Majdal: http://www.azzammedia.net/berita-daulah-khilafah-islamiyah-islamic-state/counter-attack-pkk-tal-dibs/
Given how YPG claims contested, pro-kurdish CCnews claims IS control and pro-IS claim IS control I say it should be switched to black, your thoughts?
186.119.58.15 ( talk) 20:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems that the Petolucem map https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/597056863042203648 is too favourable to the rebels! In the comment jayrud to rebels is questioned and there is no evidence of the truce being broken. It should stay on truce. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Sorry Hanibal but you are obviously trying to avoid the rules in a way of showing dozens of sources just for a quantity, but it doesn't help because, unlike other, i read all of them.
Can you just write again what should not be changed, according to his map, (without posting sources for now), and we will see then. DuckZz ( talk) 21:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Yes but i don't know what do you want to say. What do you want to be changed on our map ?? Your twitter source says that rebels withdrew from the area that borders with Lebanon. And as you can see, we removed the rural presence icon in that area and added specific hills. You remember when i said last year, and in this year that Jayroud is controled by rebels, and i posted dozens of opposition sources, including videos, but you sad that we need to wait for more info. The town stayed as under government control. Neutral sources did not post infos about this town because there were no clashes, but that doesn't mean it's under a truce. Now Peto shows it under rebel control, of course as Al Nusra, but we will put a joint rebel control, i don't see a problem here ... DuckZz ( talk) 21:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 But this shouldn't surprise you. Remember for how long was Kafr Shams showed as under government control ? For more than a year. There were no clashes, so no neutral reports were about that town, but then we found out that rebels have the full control. The same for Latakia area, Madaya etc. We have the same situation in Kanaker (north Daraa) where rebels say that they control it, with a truce, and even Petolucem showed once that town under rebel control, but then changed it back to red on the next map.
On April 25, reliable source Jack Shahine reported that YPG/FSA entered Sarrin and fought ISIS in the town.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jackshahine/status/592083393103409152
Relying on Jack Shahine's report, Chuck Pfarrer reported that Khirbet al Burj was under YPG control.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/592098005035122689/photo/1
I suggest that based on these reports, Sarrin be changed to contested between YPG and ISIS, and Khirbet al Burj be changed to YPG control. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 ( talk) 15:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
IS sources report the city has repelled the YPG assault. Also Chuck Pfarer has been wrong before due to misinformation by Jack Shahine. Since IS is also launching still a counter-attack, I suggest not making any changes till we have corroborating evidence. Tgoll774 ( talk) 17:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Also here are other sources:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Feeney4Batman/status/592326934442463232 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 ( talk) 18:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
That said https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDi1C68WoAALYPi.png:large This shows YPG clearly on the outskirts of Sarrin and Khirbat al-Burj being contested http://36.media.tumblr.com/9d4d9473c2da3d0b3dfd12929f2c5bac/tumblr_nnggncZnLy1svp8ywo1_500.png Chuck Pfarer shows YPG halted on outskirts.
So Sarrin should switch to besieged, but not contested Tgoll774 ( talk) 12:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDnp-DoWYAARGJd.jpg Fighting still on outskirts and Khirbat al-Burj still contested. Tgoll774 ( talk) 13:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
http: //justpaste. it/kvl8 Sarrin is clearly not contested and IS sources state they pushed YPG back and geolocation confirms this is Sarrin. Tgoll774 ( talk) 10:39, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
IS claims to have retaken Mitras and Murrabba in this sector https://twitter.com/ActivstMedia999/status/596005854031126528, also a lot of fighting seems to b going on throughout Syria as well with IS hitting Deir Ezzor and Kuwheires as well. Leave it to you guys to corroborate, but it looks like IS Summer Offensive is starting. Tgoll774 ( talk) 01:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Sarrin is not contested, repeated photos from the area show YPG is well outside the city having been repulsed. Even YPG sources are saying they been repulsed Tgoll774 ( talk) 11:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
https://7496bff410df41fc380ad565a50f607d4b1e8372.googledrive.com/host/0BzN49CdHSAwmcGU4eEI5dVBGZXM/KobaniCantonEN-2015-05-10.png Pro-Kurd source confirming a successful IS counterattack in the North. Tgoll774 ( talk) 16:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Why there is still a green dot in Kobanê as well as the nearby villages of Kulmad and Shêran? The FSA left the city and these two villages already in January, when the frontline was shifted to villages far away from the city. Roboskiye ( talk) 10:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
You don't quite well understand how the map works. I bet 70% of the villages in Kobane area are empty, because obviously YPG needs like 60 000 soldiers to have 24h presence in all of them. We mark villages according to sources who captured them, and how. Of course we also change the situation if a group leaves a town, and another groups captures it. But as we have a joint force situation in Kobane, it's not important to know if a group still has presence in a specific village, because they captured it, and they both move on. Kobane town for example has still rebel presence as FSA Col.Okaidi and (rumours Jamal Marouf) made a HQ in that town. DuckZz ( talk) 15:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Okaidi fled the town after a few days visit realizing ISIS is too strong for him to resist. Jamal Marouf presence turned out to be just a rumor. The Sunni/Green presence in Kobanê was not for joint control of the town, rather to use Kobane soil as base for attacks on ISIS who occupies Arab villages around Kobane. Roboskiye ( talk) 15:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Rebel sources claiming shelling of the Manshara CP and taking over Debes CP. This means both checkpoints are SAA held at the moment. [21] [22] ChrissCh94 ( talk) 15:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
SAA in control of AlMintar and AlKhatab hills near Jisr AlShughour. Photos: here Stharkov ( talk) 13:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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please 2601:3:3880:494:7DB4:C0C4:5251:502D ( talk) 23:09, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that LightandDark2000 doesn't have a clue with what sources he is editing example here he is using a pro-side source, here,also he is editing without any sources to here. Lindi29 ( talk) 17:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro-gov source report on the sugar factory amid fierce clashes, here. Lindi29 ( talk) 19:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
No reason to put Tall-Hamaka green. We are back to take SOHR as the source of truth. Other sources no more partisan than SOHR states the opposite: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/591614810837618689 and https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/591612029724663810. Just let's put it contested and wait. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
according to sohr arabic ,saa recaptured tall hamaka http://www.syriahr.com/2015/04/%D8%A3%D9%83%D8%AB%D8%B1-%D9%85%D9%86-44-%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%B7-%D8%AC%D8%B3%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9/ 176.42.119.155 ( talk) 16:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
ISIS appears to have this base under seige following its recent assault there: IS jihadists 'down regime aircraft in south Syria' Nulla Taciti ( talk) 15:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Is the town of Hudhud east of Manjib really SAA held ? and if so how did they get there as all places around are ISIL held .Can someone explain thankyou . 86.178.97.133 ( talk) 16:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Guys I don't know why Mayda'a and Zebdin are marked as regime held. SAA forces pushed into them but retreated via loyalist sources showing them under rebel control ever since their summer offensive: [1] [2] [3] [4] I could not find newer sources partly because it has been a calm frontline. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Contested perhaps, but not regime held, change it to contested then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.157.18.68 ( talk) 10:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Section for questions and request of changes DuckZz ( talk) 21:36, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
May be someone has a data from neutral sources about situation around city of Sarrin. Becasue a pro Kurdish sources reported that they advanced and captured several villages. But pro ISIS source reported that ISIS launched counterattack and recaptured villages of Qerat,Ra's Al 'Ayn, Erna and Kark. here General Shami Hanibal911 ( talk) 16:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Was just about to ask the same thing, because Pro-Kurd sources are also contradicting themselves on the grain silos, and where YPG forces are stationed. Some say the silos are taken, others say IS repulsed the assault despite airstrikes, and others are saying they are fighting in Sarrin itself, others say they are being pushed back by IS counter-offensive. I think what is going on is that because both sides are thin on forces there, small units on both sides are punching each other at the same time as IS moves up fresh company sized forces to replace fought out units and atritt YPG and hit their smaller detachments with maimum force while Airstrikes hit largely vacated positions. Similar to what the NVA did Tgoll774 ( talk) 16:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDSSbkVUkAAeAcZ.jpg Chuck Pfarer a pro-YPG source, but yesterday he said YPG took the silos, now he has backtracked. https://twitter.com/freelancejorno/status/591352696990466049/photo/1 Pro-IS saying IS has successfully counter-attacked. I don't see any other sources so I can't say what is going on, but its pretty clear heay fighting is going on and YPG backtracked on saying they captured the silos. https://twitter.com/mrasiell/status/591337540088700929 Pro-IS Source. Don't know at this point, just going to have to see what other sources come up. But it looks like with Tishrin Secured, the YPG have hit the limits of their advance. Tgoll774 ( talk) 21:54, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDTtgO6UgAAWAeF.jpg Pro YPG source, but admits Khirbat al-Burj and Qirat Kurdan, as seen on the map as retaken by IS, Ras al-Ayn looks contested. Tgoll774 ( talk) 02:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdoE0SXIAAFxZw.png:large Pro-Kurd
https://twitter.com/mraseill/status/592025037038837760/photo/1 Pro-IS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdi9O2UsAAP3h5.jpg Pro-Kurd
Leave it to you guys to cross reference Tgoll774 ( talk) 20:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
According to their official media they captured three hills south of the town:
This is confirmed by SOHR so we could make the change (northwest Tal Tamr = Manajir):
Problem is, no source actually mentions the name of the hills, does anyone know where they are located?
186.112.206.36 ( talk) 15:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
It seems like the map ( Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map/doc) doesn't always update immediately after an edit of the module. To make the map update, just make an Wikipedia:Null edit of the documentation page. -- Ahmetyal ( talk) 12:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Or at the very least, is being contested. I have no idea whether it should be listed as Green or Grey, since both Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar ash-Sham are operating in/around this area.
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/591860301055700993 (pro-Gov source showcasing JaF in Jusr ash-Shughur
http://i.imgur.com/aV7yzto.png (picture from pro-Rebel source showing list of conquered buildings)
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/591869301663010819 (AFPfr claiming that the city has fallen outright to JaF)
Hanibal911 The sugar factory and Bishlaymun were captured last night. I have only pro-opposition sources so someone else needs to agree so i can change it. Also they said that rebels captured the hospital too. DuckZz ( talk) 11:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
And again I have the same problem with this joint control. Al Nusra did participate, like in every offensive, but how much ? I have already posted a source where the Idlib council says that Idlib will not be controled by a Rebel group but by the council itself, and it's said that "JAN moves on", and this Jisr Shugur offensive is just the confirmatiom. Idlib is still under joint control.
Bishmalun is west of Jisr Shugur. It has been captured last night (according to pro-rebel sources). This video is from this morning showing IF members in this village capturing a checkpoint near it (means they already captured the village itself) DuckZz ( talk) 11:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 And yes, i want to hear what other editors think about this. I belive that Jisr Shugur shouldn't go under Joint control. The areas around it are already marked as grey. The town is full of videos from other rebel groups. But i'm not the one to decide. DuckZz ( talk) 11:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 As you can see. Those pictures show both JAN and rebel fighters. The same pictures are published by IF and other rebel groups because they show their fighers, and JAN. To prove this, look at the pictures, you can see 2 logos, one shows JAN, the other for Rebel groups. But whatever, we both know that we have different views, i want other editors to give their opinions. Something else, map is published by IF showing the situation, it looks like SAA fled from the entire area to Istabrag. DuckZz ( talk) 12:23, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Here, the only pro-opposition source who said that Zijarah village is still under government control says that rebels actually captured it. Now we have SOHR and pro-opposition sources confirming this village under rebel control. Or do you have something else ? DuckZz ( talk) 22:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro SAA sources are saying counter attack has begun sugar factory retaken and fighting at western entrance of City but we need pro opp sources to confirm as we need pro saa sources or neutral to show rebel gains . 86.178.102.168 ( talk) 09:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 ChrissCh94 Ahmetyal This is what i was talking about the whole time. The most famous Syrian reporter Ha.Abdulah (on rebel held territories) says that Al Nusra does not hold Jisr Shugur and Idlib town. He said on his twitter account that Jisr Shugur is held mainly by rebel groups and not JAN. He is the most reliable person we have, why ? Well because he was both in Idlib and Jisr Shugur town, now he's in Ghab plain too. I belive him, now the question is, what do others think ? DuckZz ( talk) 17:43, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Recent Agathocle http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Idlib-hama-situation-26-April-2015-@deSyracuse.png confirms partially report from Al masdar and PetoLucem: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armed-forces-recapture-territory-during-night-raids-in-west-hama/, http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/update-from-jisr-al-shughour-fierce-clashes-at-national-hospital/, https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592250947193143296, https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592248757930074112, https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592246915217108992. At least Sugar factory contested and Tammiyah contested. In practice contested for Agathocle means under SAA control. Paolowalter ( talk) 18:20, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Intence fighting now as tiger force arrives from west and Hezzbolah arrive from south . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 18:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Not really, in the post it say that rebels are there not that they took the town. In the same post there is a claim that it is controlled by NDF. There is contradictory info: https://twitter.com/Amin_Akh/status/592439271031713793 states it is under rebel control, while https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592452479155048448 it is on the front line. Let's go fpr contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Latest Al masdar report http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-secures-ghaniyah-in-the-al-ghaab-plains/ contradict several locations in the Al-Ghaab plan. Paolowalter ( talk) 07:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 .Have rebels taken brick factory east of Ariha ? 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 08:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 You still didn't gave any opinion regarding my post about Hadi Abdalah and how he says that JAN did not captured Jisr Shugur DuckZz ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 We can't ignore it, but lets be fair. The same guy said that JAN hasn't even control of Idlib. But lets say leave Idlib to joint control. JAN has 2 circles around Jisr Shugur. If you wan't to be fair and belive that guy ( who is currently in Qarmed factory) then one of these 2 towns should go under rebel control. If you ask me, i belive that JAN did had an important role in capturing Jisr Shugur, so it should stay under joint control. But then Idlib should be changed because we know that JAN "moved on" (i already posted that IF statement), and to confirm that, we have Jisr Shugur and Qarmed factory offensives, with JAN influences. DuckZz ( talk) 10:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
HANIBAL911 .Thankyou . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 20:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
NightShadeAEB .I have to disagree with you on this point ,if we have a opposition or neutral source that backs up pro government source we can use it those are the rules .The same applies to rebel gains and Hanibal911 has proven time after time to be a unbiased editor .The reason we have to wait some times to change the map is we need to stick to the rules .You would have something to complain about if changes were made without the rules being applied . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 07:04, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
There is a problem using twitter accounts for showing advances agreed there was a time when no twitter ,facebook or video evidence was permitted but that seems to have changed because of the time waiting for more reliable evidence to show us the situation .How ever I disagree about the time you say it took to change Idlib but agree about Nassab but that was because of sticking to the rules also we must take into account there is a problem uploading the map at present i think they are working on it .Last thing I hope you agree Jisr ash Sughur and the brick factory were changed to rebel held in good time so its not always the case .Thanks for responding . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 08:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
We should not rely on poorly know twitter source like Bosno Sinj for any change. That make the editing slow but we can live with it. The other comments from NightShadeAEB are irrelevant and false. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro-govt local source reports clashes ongoing in the Abyad village south of the city:
Meanwhile, pro-IS source reports gains for IS in the Abyad-Hasakah road:
https://twitter.com/mraseill/status/592409943212449793
Kurdish sources, on the other side, report clashes south of the city without really specificating:
https://twitter.com/Avashin/status/592402292416053250
And pro-oppo local source report IS launched an offensive against Abyad:
https://www.facebook.com/raman.yusif/posts/827483420665333
While this confirms Abyad was still under govt control despite being marked black, the fact that a reliable pro-govt source reports it as contested means it should be put as red-black contested and not outright red, so unless someone is against it I suggest that the proper edit is made. 186.112.206.36 ( talk) 19:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Done, but the map is slow to update. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
SAA&NDF take control of Al-Dawudiyah south of Hasakah after clashes with IS: Stharkov ( talk) 15:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/592687392072536064
MrPenguin20 is the user mantaining this page and will change it (yuo can contact him personally). Paolowalter ( talk) 21:22, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
News from Al-Masdar about ISIS-SAA clashes in south east Hasaka. Paolowalter ( talk) 07:13, 28 April 2015 (UTC) Paolowalter EkoGraf Antigovernment source reported that after clashes between Regime forces against ISIS to south Hasakah the Regime forces successfully seized over 5 villages completely and over the International school and pushed ISIS fighters on distance around 20 km to south from the city. Qasion News So source confirmed report from Al Masdar here and indicated that Syrian troops pulled ISIS on long distance from Hasakah and captured over 5 villages. So what you think about this. Hanibal911 ( talk) 15:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC) That confirms again and again that Al Masdar is one of the most reliable source available and only jihadist supporter prevent it being used routinely just because they are obsessed when more red points arrive on the map. The action is now to turn red the villages indicated by the various sources. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Report from https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/592683182392274944 and https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/592692955967844352 that Qastoun and Ziyārah are taken by SAA. Let's watch out. Paolowalter ( talk) 14:32, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 I belive that Ghani village is under rebel control, with no presence of SAA soldiers anywere near, Ishtabraq not included. What source did said that clashes are in that village ? This video clearly shows the village empty, with clashes far away from it. We may have a pro-government source because LeithFadel said that Ansar Deen rebels "are atacking Istabraq village and massacred 150 civilians there", of course this is propaganda and not anywere near the truth but it may confirm that Ghani is basically empty because this video shows the same group. DuckZz ( talk) 21:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Paolowalter This was the only source that said that Qastun was under clashes. Now he says that rebels have the control again. It can be used DuckZz ( talk) 08:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
No. There were several pro-governmet source stating it: see http://www.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/CDnfNGsW0AEPdeN.jpg. It was just a backup pro-rebel source. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Paolowalter Hanibal911 The point is, we only had pro-government sources. After he said that Qastun was under clashes we changed it because of him. Now he says rebels control the town again. And now we only have pro-government sources saying that this town is not under rebel control. You get me ? Also something else, the same source says that rebels may have captured Fawru village and this pro-government source is showing Fawru under clashes, so the village should go at least to contested or rebel held, because i can't really see the difference in Petolucem'map between this red contested color. DuckZz ( talk) 08:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 But wait a minute. For Qastun, we had pro-government sources, and 1 "pro-rebel source". Now the same pro-rebel source said that Qastun is back under rebel control. So that means that now we only have pro-government sources. I think the rules are clear, no neutraul no rebel sources, only pro-government, that means Qastun should be reverted back. DuckZz ( talk) 09:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Also this source shows Qastun way behind rebel lines. DuckZz ( talk) 09:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Also pro-government states Qastun is contested now http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/intense-firefights-ignite-the-battle-in-idlib/. Paolowalter ( talk) 12:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro opposition source reported about clashes between rebels and ISIS in the town of Qahtaniyah. Syrian Rebellion Observatory Qasion News Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
According to SOHR, rebels captured more than 100 soldiers in Jisr and Istabraq. Pro-opposition sources are saying that rebels took control of this village here. Opinions ? DuckZz ( talk) 21:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/complete-field-report-from-jisr-al-shughour/ confirms Istabraq felt to the rebels. Furthermore SAA is holding the national hospital and Musbeen is held by SAA but under attack. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Pro gov. source: NDF and Syria-n Resistance take control of Fawru in Al-Ghab Plain Hama after intense clashes with Jaish_Fateh. https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/593293046084538369 Photo: https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/593441667593719808 Stharkov ( talk) 16:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The following maps from Res Publica show YPG advance via videos they published in the past few days:
https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/593154163086884864
While I understand amateur videos can't be used to show advances, reliable sources had already confirmed 3 days ago that YPG advanced in the area and gained control of some points:
http://ypgrojava.com/en/index.php/statements/616-military-operations-in-kobane-and-cizire-significantly-concluding ¡ So could someone make the changes then and add the villages? Video footage supported by reliable sources should be enough in this case I believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.254.21.203 ( talk) 12:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I have added the villages showed here: https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/593154163086884864 , Res Publica is a source not less reliable than the other editors (Marc Monomonier, De Syracuse...) often used as sources. -- 8fra0 ( talk) 19:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear Users, I#m new here and try to start. Confirmed by Photos: Government Troops recaptured the village "Fawru" from Rebels south of Jisr Al-Shugour. https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/593441667593719808
Please change from contestes to red — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingkongorr ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-advances-at-sakr-island-in-deir-ezzor/ states that al-Shoula is contested between SAA and ISIS. It confirms the red-black dot on the map. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
There is this map in http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/map-of-deir-ezzor-syrian-army-ground-development-since-january-2015/#prettyPhoto. The map is from an indipendent guy who put together infos from sohr and al masdar. It is quite similar tp ours. I think we can use it for some corrections. What do think? Paolowalter ( talk) 11:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Pro-Reb. is reporting SAA advances into Naima, east of Daraa city here. I guess there should be a red semicircle present. Possibly wait for more reporting MesmerMe ( talk) 13:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Faylaq al Sham has released videos showing fighting in Hawsh Musibeen, a green area. [10] [11] They claim to have taken Tal Musibeen and Hawsh Musibeen checkpoints. The presence of trees and heights in the video clearly shows fighting is here, well to the southwest of the army station near the Brick Factory portrayed in the map as regime held. Thus the station should be changed to rebel held, while the checkpoint after it should be contested. See the topography: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.852970&lon=36.660948&z=16&m=b NightShadeAEB ( talk) 16:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal is right. Videos can be made by anyone. It's not the problem about the location, because we obviously can see where it was shoot, but the problem is "when was it filmed", because videos are being uploaded at least 24hours after the shoot. I really don't know what's wrong with you guys, can't you really wait 2 days for real objective and reliable sources for an edit, why do you need to change it basically 2 hours after the video was uploaded. I understand the problem with Zijarah and Qastun village, i do belive that rebels have full control but I'm patient and will wait. DuckZz ( talk) 21:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
the long standing "rules" around this map based on consensus are key for holding this map project together and not making it so crazy-- if you allow videos this whole thing will become too bogged down with constant videos, videos shot by who knows at who knows where, even more difficulty at getting through the fog of war and massive amount of social media propaganda surrounding this war. It must be the most in history, as its a recent phenomenon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.154.235 ( talk) 20:32, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
DuckZz I ALREADY discussed this a month ago and gave all my sources and nobody bothered to move a thing - I was busy writing my paper and now I have time to correct this. The map looks like a mess, with people arbitrarily doing stuff that makes no sense, taking the most miscellaneous reports to decide who controls what. Binnish, the capital of Jabhat al Nusra, is marked green, while Maarat al Nuuman, the stronghold of Suqur al Sham and the FSA is marked as grey (not all FSA is SRF & Hazzm). Changing Maarat al Nuuman, the second largest city of the province, to shared control is "POV"? Or Rastan where you still have Faylaq Homs and Ahrar al Sham? Or Marea where Nusra continues to arrest corrupt FSA? There is zero consistency in this. The compromise is to make them all into shared control, otherwise we can go into details based on how dominant is Nusra to make some fully green or fully grey. It doesn't matter what you choose, but be consistent about it, and don't ignore discussions that have already been presented. NightShadeAEB ( talk) 05:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I haven't said that changing things is a problem, but you didn't made 1 edit, you made a quite alot of them just like that. And here is my problem
Just to be honest. I can't be neutral in this situation because i was the one asking not to make a grey color. But as it's already there. You can change every grey town to green if you ask me, but there are rules. I only have sources for towns where JAN has "currently" no presence, for example in Binnish, pro-government sources confirmed that with their maps. That's about it. Marat Numan and Rastan have a question mark for me. DuckZz ( talk) 10:34, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm getting pretty tired of villages flipping between grey and green, and starting to really dislike the idea of separate colours for them. It seems a bit of a waste of effort trying to decide what type of rebels we have. Banak ( talk) 18:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Banak NightShadeAEB What to remove ? Joint control icon or grey icon completely ? Hanibal is the person you should ask about this, as i don't care for the grey color. DuckZz ( talk) 20:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
We decided to add the grey color for Jabhat al-Nusra because there was a large fight between them and moderate rebels in Idlib province, and Nusra won. We wanted to show that Nusra controlled many towns and bases. personally, I think that if we knew all of the towns that are Nusra-controlled, then we should absolutely use grey dots to show these towns. But the fact is, we don't know which towns they have complete control over, and which towns they have only some presence in. All of the various sources covering this war disagree on which towns Nusra controls.
I think that if Nusra does something similar to what ISIS did and declares an Islamic emirate (they have already helped take Idlib and Jisr Shougour), then grey dots would be a good idea, but in the current situation with combined groups like Jaish Fatah, I think the grey color should be removed from the map. Unless we can verify each town and village, finding out if Nusra controls it, then making all those towns green is the simplest and best option. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4587:3ABE:1820:29B7 ( talk) 00:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
They should definitely be kept grey. They have a distinct goal and identity- their ideology is the same as IS. They do not work with any US and NATO sponsored rebels. They distinctly split from more moderate and secular rebels. They have ethnically cleansed any ethnic and religious minorities in their areas. I am shocked that some in moderate rebels still have no problem with identifying with and working so closely with JN. JN is Al Qaeda it should be a separate color. They are terrorists and should not be grouped with more moderate rebels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.25.92 ( talk) 17:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Why is this city kept red? Everyone admits that Jisr al shoughur is taken by JaN and rebels.SAA only in possesion of national hospital — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.170.46 ( talk) 14:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Is anybody aware of where this checkpoint is? www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-the-syrian-army-captures-al-tanimiyah-checkpoint-in-south-jisr-al-shughour/ Paolowalter ( talk) 15:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
According to pro-govt map maker Amin Akh: Marbelt, Tel Martaabi and likely Ash Sayk Sa'ad are under Nusra/rebel control:
https://twitter.com/Amin_Akh/status/594344232623677441
190.67.224.185 ( talk) 05:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
i agree with hanibal. Hwinsp ( talk) 09:35, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
according to SOHR arabic , SAA captured ziyarah and over large parts of tell wasit http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%87%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D9%88/ Hwinsp ( talk) 06:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
After having been contested for some days al-ziyarah under SAA control https://twitter.com/Conflict_Report/status/594433366461669377. Paolowalter ( talk) 11:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Loyalist claim that Ghmam is under SAA control [PetoLucem https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/5944234635043799040] waiting for confirmation. Paolowalter ( talk) 10:35, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Apparently there is an ongoing offensive in Latakia, Salma area by SAA http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-armed-forces-capture-strategic-hills-at-salma-in-ne-latakia/, some progress from SAA is claimed. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC) A confirmation by SOHR http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/04/3-members-of-the-regime-forces-killed-in-an-ambush-and-the-clashes-continue-in-the-northern-countryside-of-lattakia/. Is al- Ghanmah Hill the location in http://wikimapia.org/#lang=it&lat=35.675426&lon=36.006918&z=14&m=b marked green on the map?. Paolowalter ( talk) 20:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Other info on SAA advancement in the area https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/593886734280237056. Any confirmation? Paolowalter ( talk) 21:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
A map of Latakia area https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/593887781954420737. Basically it agrees with ours but it suggest Kafr Ajuz is under SAA control and Salma is contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 21:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Who changed Kafr Dulbah to contested (that I think it is correct) and Kafr ajuz green (it is likely to be red). Paolowalter ( talk) 21:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Ghanam captured by SAA(falsely Ghamam on map) couldn't fine neutral source, Peto tends to be fine. https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/594423463504379904/photo/1 Totholio ( talk) 15:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Confirmed by [almasdar http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-of-the-idlib-governorate/#prettyPhoto]. Paolowalter ( talk) 20:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
End of YPG and rebels cooperation in Aleppo after one year of agreements. Syrian Rebellion Observatory And after two days of tension between them, dozen of rebel groups ready for war against kurdish forces in Aleppo. Syrian Rebellion Observatory And 30 April some IF battalions denounce YPG - Ahl al-Sham agreement which was signed in 2014. Syrian Rebellion Observatory Hanibal911 ( talk) 11:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
According to this source:
http://waarmedia.com/english/ypg-retakes-two-villages-from-is/
YPG retook the villages of Tal Damsheed and Siyar, while the source is clearly pro-kurdish, there is also confirmation from SOHR of kurdish advances in the same area:
http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/05/19-people-killed-in-deir-ezzor-and-ypg-advances-agains-in-al-hasakah/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.67.224.185 ( talk) 13:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Is it a problem of mine or the map is not updated? Paolowalter ( talk) 16:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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change { lat = "33.166", long = "37.595", mark = "80x80-red-black-anim.gif", marksize = "6", label = " Karkiz", link = "#no", label_size = "0", position = "top" }, to { lat = "36.166", long = "37.595", mark = "80x80-red-black-anim.gif", marksize = "6", label = " Karkiz", link = "#no", label_size = "0", position = "top" }, incorrect coordinates for Karkiz marked by Hanibal, places location of contested village out in the middle of the Syrian desert. should be these. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4839:1AB:A62B:CDB5 ( talk) 01:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
2601:0:B200:F7D9:4839:1AB:A62B:CDB5 ( talk) 01:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Report that Tal Ma’ar Tab’i is retaken by SAA [17]. Also the SOHR article [18] used to turn it under attack was mentioning SAA advance. I think it should go red. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:44, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Syrian Army has captured Maydaa in East Ghouta, pro-Gov [1] and rebel source [2] SyAAF ( talk) 12:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
If this is true it may have major impact on the whole of northern Syria . 86.178.102.112 ( talk) 17:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Pro opposition source said that the Syrian troop entered to village of Karkiz near the Kweiris military airport and that clashes ongoing in the village. BosnoSinj Hanibal911 ( talk) 20:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 That is supported by http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-demands-the-saa-surrender-at-kuweires-airbase-fierce-clashes-ensue/. Why was it reverted? Paolowalter ( talk) 16:06, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Some SAA advance in Hasaka Southeast https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/595310596964425729 and http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-8-villages-in-southeast-al-hasakah/. Unlikely to obtain other info from those remote areas. Paolowalter ( talk) 06:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
In [19] Desyracuse seems to have found the villages taken by SAA. They are not the ones changed on the map on the south. All of them are on the Hasaka map, that must updated. Paolowalter ( talk) 11:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Do ISIS members really control Quneitra town and the border post ? According to rebel sources, Qantaniyah was the last IS held area in this province. They did capture the border area, but it was changed to green according to SOHR and other sources. Then it was changed again according to "for me" unknown twitter reporter. This source is important only becasue it quotes a rebel leader and he says that by capturing Qantaniyah, they are donne with IS in Quneitra province. Opinions ? DuckZz ( talk) 23:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
yahoo news reports "the group captured the village of Hasina on the Syrian side of the border" with Lebanon. http://news.yahoo.com/lebanese-held-hostage-syria-militants-appear-video-101307544.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.27.234 ( talk) 06:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Opposition killed 20 Syrian Army soldiers, took control of four checkpoints near Jbourin and Kafrnan, pro-Bashar al-Assad villages, north of Homs.
https://en.zamanalwsl.net/news/9958.html
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Pro-government source Peto Lucem has Sararifiyah (near Tall Hamakah, east of the thermal power plant) under rebel control in his current map here. This seems reasonable to me since the short-termed rebel attack on Tall Hamakah a few weeks ago had to start from somewhere. 131.188.48.167 ( talk) 18:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Pro opposition source reported that the Syrian troops recapture the Sugar Factory to south from the city of Jisr al Shughur. here and pro government source said that Syrian troops capture the strategic Sugar Factory at the outskirts of Jisr Al-Shughour and village Qarta to south-east from Jisr Al-Shughour. Al Masdar And SOHR reported that warplanes implementation made about 50 raids on the city of Jisr al Shughur and his surroundings and also said about progress of the Syrian troops, NDF and their allied in the countryside of Jisr al Shughur. SOHR SOHR Hanibal911 ( talk) 07:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems that SAA has taken Tell Majdal west of Hasakah [20]. It seems that this fact is confermed by anti government page. Is it sufficient? Paolowalter ( talk) 20:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Earlier this day and prior to that tweet YPG posted footage of its forces taking control of the village after the airstrikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDp9arEWCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfUO9SEawM
Confirmation by QasionNews: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=829278840491171
The pro-IS sources that mention SAA capturing the villages all mention airstrikes of the coalition:
https://twitter.com/QHTANIYEH/status/596749442532933633
Seeing how the pro-IS sources often claim YPG victories for the SAA to slander them it seems likely that this is just another case of that happening.
190.67.43.88 ( talk) 20:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
We must change the black dot, but I do not know if red or yellow is the right choice. Maybe joint control. The pull out of IS from this location means that also the detailed map must be corrected reducing the black area west of Hasaka. Paolowalter ( talk) 20:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Seems ok to me, but who do we give the black area to? There's no indicative at all of where did each force attack from and we can't turn the area full red or full yellow just because. 190.67.43.88 ( talk) 20:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Im neutral with the war in Syria and I'm always active on twitter in which I confirm situation and taken areas, I would like to join and help you guys out. It seriously would mean the best. Thank You
-regards, Syrian123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrian132 ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
PKK aligned media has claimed that YPG captured 8 villages and several hamlets following fierce clashes today:
Elmaha, Dişo, Siraç, Hela, Behama, Effan, Keşke and Gişat villages, Rezazê hill plus 4 hamlets which are reportedly all near Aliyah.
Furthermore, SOHR confirmed their progress:
While at the southwestern front, reliable Hassan Ridha has reported that YPG is clashing with ISIS at Tal Nasri, Twain and Aghbish:
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/596226642793533440
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So, for the advance near Aliyah it's gonna be hard to put the villages in since they're probably their kurdish names and not the arabic ones that are present here or at wikimapia, can anyone help here?
For the situation at southwest/south Tal Tamr however I guess we can switch the mentioned villages to contested since Hassan is reliable source, opinions?
Edit: Hardline pro-IS source admits capture of two villages at rural Serekaniye/Ras al Ayn: Ghishqa and Hillah
https://twitter.com/QHTANIYAH/status/596257332985737216 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.32.116.216 ( talk) 11:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
179.32.116.216 (
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Thanks for your help Roboskiye and Hanibal!
According to reliable pro-oppo al Qasion news the -probably arabic- names of the villages liberated are these: Al-malha, Aldeshu, sraj, hiala,alkasha, Aallon, Akoshat, and Razzazah
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=828879927197729
Did you find any of these when at wikimapia, Roboskiye? Maybe it could be helpful since the names posted by pro-ypg sources are oftne in kurdish.
179.32.116.216 ( talk) 02:09, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
YPG has claimed to be in control of the villages of
Nevermind, this map by Res Publica shows the two villages captured by YPG we've not market yet, Muqeren and al-Nawfaliyah:
https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/596354890059907072
I would suggest putting them under YPG control, and while his map does show the countryside between the captured villages and Manajir as YPG controlled, I suppose it'd be better to wait for more sources before turning the newly formed IS pocket into yellow, your thoughts? 179.32.116.216 ( talk) 03:27, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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According to kurdish media YPG has taken control of the villages of Tal Majdal and Ashrah supported by coalition airstrikes and posting video footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDp9arEWCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfUO9SEawM
Pro-govt twitter confirms at least the liberation of Tal Majdal:
https://twitter.com/ResistanceER/status/596682394901569538
The villages can be found here:
While pro-govt and pro-kurdish sources aren't enough for making a change like this, it would be helpful if anyone could post info from neutral sources so the situation can be confirmed or not.
179.32.116.216 ( talk) 16:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok the Tal Majdal issue has been solved at the West Hasakah subsection but could someone do the edits posted by Roboskiye? SOHR confirmation and video footage from YPG should be enough.
190.67.43.88 ( talk) 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 as of the latest revision you used CCnews map to edit some yellow dots back to black but that wasn't the most recent version of his map, you have to click here:
And you will see that Aliya is clearly contested as it was earlier.
Also in the same map that Tal Majdal is neither under kurdish nor under govt control, which can be verified since:
1. YPG's website claims first that the village is under their control but afterwards says clearly that they are ongoing: http://ypgrojava.com/en/index.php/statements/638-cizire-and-kobane-five-more-villages-liberated-through-unwavering-operations
2. Pro-IS sources (including @QNTANIYEH which has been since suspended by twitter) have claimed a counterattack in which they recaptured the village of Tal Majdal: http://www.azzammedia.net/berita-daulah-khilafah-islamiyah-islamic-state/counter-attack-pkk-tal-dibs/
Given how YPG claims contested, pro-kurdish CCnews claims IS control and pro-IS claim IS control I say it should be switched to black, your thoughts?
186.119.58.15 ( talk) 20:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems that the Petolucem map https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/597056863042203648 is too favourable to the rebels! In the comment jayrud to rebels is questioned and there is no evidence of the truce being broken. It should stay on truce. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Sorry Hanibal but you are obviously trying to avoid the rules in a way of showing dozens of sources just for a quantity, but it doesn't help because, unlike other, i read all of them.
Can you just write again what should not be changed, according to his map, (without posting sources for now), and we will see then. DuckZz ( talk) 21:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Yes but i don't know what do you want to say. What do you want to be changed on our map ?? Your twitter source says that rebels withdrew from the area that borders with Lebanon. And as you can see, we removed the rural presence icon in that area and added specific hills. You remember when i said last year, and in this year that Jayroud is controled by rebels, and i posted dozens of opposition sources, including videos, but you sad that we need to wait for more info. The town stayed as under government control. Neutral sources did not post infos about this town because there were no clashes, but that doesn't mean it's under a truce. Now Peto shows it under rebel control, of course as Al Nusra, but we will put a joint rebel control, i don't see a problem here ... DuckZz ( talk) 21:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 But this shouldn't surprise you. Remember for how long was Kafr Shams showed as under government control ? For more than a year. There were no clashes, so no neutral reports were about that town, but then we found out that rebels have the full control. The same for Latakia area, Madaya etc. We have the same situation in Kanaker (north Daraa) where rebels say that they control it, with a truce, and even Petolucem showed once that town under rebel control, but then changed it back to red on the next map.
On April 25, reliable source Jack Shahine reported that YPG/FSA entered Sarrin and fought ISIS in the town.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jackshahine/status/592083393103409152
Relying on Jack Shahine's report, Chuck Pfarrer reported that Khirbet al Burj was under YPG control.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/592098005035122689/photo/1
I suggest that based on these reports, Sarrin be changed to contested between YPG and ISIS, and Khirbet al Burj be changed to YPG control. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 ( talk) 15:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
IS sources report the city has repelled the YPG assault. Also Chuck Pfarer has been wrong before due to misinformation by Jack Shahine. Since IS is also launching still a counter-attack, I suggest not making any changes till we have corroborating evidence. Tgoll774 ( talk) 17:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Also here are other sources:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Feeney4Batman/status/592326934442463232 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 ( talk) 18:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
That said https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDi1C68WoAALYPi.png:large This shows YPG clearly on the outskirts of Sarrin and Khirbat al-Burj being contested http://36.media.tumblr.com/9d4d9473c2da3d0b3dfd12929f2c5bac/tumblr_nnggncZnLy1svp8ywo1_500.png Chuck Pfarer shows YPG halted on outskirts.
So Sarrin should switch to besieged, but not contested Tgoll774 ( talk) 12:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDnp-DoWYAARGJd.jpg Fighting still on outskirts and Khirbat al-Burj still contested. Tgoll774 ( talk) 13:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
http: //justpaste. it/kvl8 Sarrin is clearly not contested and IS sources state they pushed YPG back and geolocation confirms this is Sarrin. Tgoll774 ( talk) 10:39, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
IS claims to have retaken Mitras and Murrabba in this sector https://twitter.com/ActivstMedia999/status/596005854031126528, also a lot of fighting seems to b going on throughout Syria as well with IS hitting Deir Ezzor and Kuwheires as well. Leave it to you guys to corroborate, but it looks like IS Summer Offensive is starting. Tgoll774 ( talk) 01:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Sarrin is not contested, repeated photos from the area show YPG is well outside the city having been repulsed. Even YPG sources are saying they been repulsed Tgoll774 ( talk) 11:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
https://7496bff410df41fc380ad565a50f607d4b1e8372.googledrive.com/host/0BzN49CdHSAwmcGU4eEI5dVBGZXM/KobaniCantonEN-2015-05-10.png Pro-Kurd source confirming a successful IS counterattack in the North. Tgoll774 ( talk) 16:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Why there is still a green dot in Kobanê as well as the nearby villages of Kulmad and Shêran? The FSA left the city and these two villages already in January, when the frontline was shifted to villages far away from the city. Roboskiye ( talk) 10:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
You don't quite well understand how the map works. I bet 70% of the villages in Kobane area are empty, because obviously YPG needs like 60 000 soldiers to have 24h presence in all of them. We mark villages according to sources who captured them, and how. Of course we also change the situation if a group leaves a town, and another groups captures it. But as we have a joint force situation in Kobane, it's not important to know if a group still has presence in a specific village, because they captured it, and they both move on. Kobane town for example has still rebel presence as FSA Col.Okaidi and (rumours Jamal Marouf) made a HQ in that town. DuckZz ( talk) 15:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Okaidi fled the town after a few days visit realizing ISIS is too strong for him to resist. Jamal Marouf presence turned out to be just a rumor. The Sunni/Green presence in Kobanê was not for joint control of the town, rather to use Kobane soil as base for attacks on ISIS who occupies Arab villages around Kobane. Roboskiye ( talk) 15:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Rebel sources claiming shelling of the Manshara CP and taking over Debes CP. This means both checkpoints are SAA held at the moment. [21] [22] ChrissCh94 ( talk) 15:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
SAA in control of AlMintar and AlKhatab hills near Jisr AlShughour. Photos: here Stharkov ( talk) 13:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)