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https://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Revolution/photos/a.10150397575815727.619133.420796315726/10155167574500727/?type=1&theater The official Syrian Revolution Page saying rebels liberated the Zalaqiat checkpoint. This means the checkpoint was/is regime held. I suggest changing the Zalaqiat checkpoint to regime held because the same page announced that Tal Kroum was liberated while we all know it wasn't. Zalaqiat CP to red and we could add a semi-green circle to its north. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 23:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
According to many reports, there is a steady presence of al-Nusra in the Dar'a and Quneitra governorates, controlling a significant number of villages. Some say that they cooperate with the Syrian Opposition in this area (Islamic Front and SRF), but they still form a separate and distinctive force. GreyShark ( dibra) 17:04, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Moderate rebels are no longer one of the major players in the Syrian conflict! The four strongest authorities in Syria are the Assad government, ISIS, Nusra, and the Kurds. They rule close to 95% of Syrian territory:
This leaves the hundreds of additional militias controlling the remaining 5%, but in some areas “No F.S.A. faction can operate without Nusra’s approval.” Jihadis prevailed in 2014. Joshua Landis Hanibal911 ( talk) 15:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
There biggest mistake was getting into bed with jihadi groups which lost them support outside Syria and inside . There only hope now must be in a peace deal that gives them some say in running the country ,as for the jihadists the war goes on until the government and moderates are defeated . 81.156.224.243 ( talk) 18:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Pre-Kobane siege pro-kurdish outlet welati claimed areas controlled by kurds had a population of 3.5 millions, pre-Kobane numbers could probably be way closer to 2 million however, have to search a bit more of info on the matter.
179.32.121.230 ( talk) 18:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
While reading his previous articles I had a meaning that Joushua Landis has some menthal problems, while he suddenly posts something unrelated .. i can't remember now but he often used words such as "monkey, rats, gorilaz" describing rebels in Syria. I think his wife comes from Latakia, that could be the reason, nevertheless i always think he's a propagadna writer, nothing more, but this is just my opinion. DuckZz ( talk) 22:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
SOHR said two weeks ago that government don't control more than 30 % of Syria anymore... The numbers of the beginning of this discussion are I believe quiet biased... I agree with the fact that moderate rebels do not control much of the ground but if you consider the territory still held by the Shamia Front in Aleppo, in Idlib, as long with the ground held by the Southern Front, and the Islamic Front in Damascus contryside, the more or less moderate military opposition forces are still a player on the ground that could rise from the ashes of the current Syria in the years to come of this ongoing war... Two years ago, who would have believed that ISIS would have taken that much ground today ? I think burying anyone now would not be serious at all. Oussj ( talk) 19:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Can somebody who edited red dots and checkpoints all along the eastern Jordanian border in Daraa province give his/her sources? There has been no discussion here, but there have been edited some three border checkpoints, two red villages and the industrial zone near Nasib. Sources?
On this page the discussion is here Boredwhytekid ( talk) 18:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hanibal911 .A editor has taken them of map .Vandalism . 86.141.225.40 ( talk) 10:16, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
According to Aranews both villages have been bombed recently meaning they are in control of IS, from what I see they are not present in the map but mapping them out could prove useful to better detail the Tal Hamis area, specially if future offensives end up happening.
Source is aranews: http://aranews.net/2014/12/syrian-regime-renews-airstrikes-militants-near-qamishli/
According to wikimapia Abu Kabir is the village directly north of Tal Hamis, here:
http://wikimapia.org/8649183/Tall-Hamis
Um Kuheif however I can't find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.112.200.23 ( talk) 17:10, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to shrink the size of the Aleppo city sub-map on the overall module? If we could scoot the right side of it over to say, lined up with Safira, we would better be able to document the territory around Kweiris Airbase and the clashes north of Lake Jabboul. al-Masdar, SOHR, and the ISW all report increased fighting in the area. Tradedia talk I know you are a creator of the map; André437 you've done some graphic design for this. MrPenguin20, Kami888, I see you two are involved with the Aleppo map as well. Opinions/options? Boredwhytekid ( talk) 14:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I think it's even a better idea to remove the map for Hasaka and instead make a map for Kobane, there are plenty of uptades and sources showing the situation. DuckZz ( talk) 20:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I do think Boredwhytekid has a good point and I also think DuckZz has a good point in making a map for Kobane. Rhocagil ( talk) 02:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I mean: Who won in long term, who lost power. What were the major terriorial changes in this year? What do you expect in 2015 ? What do you think about the rise of ISIS in the eastern parts of Syria and half of Iraq and the rising of Al-Nursa "emirate" in Idlib ? Do you think that the "moderate" rebels will play any role in the future (Failure or succes of the American foregin policy) ? Do you think that the Assad-goverment will collapse sooner or later in long term (lack of manpower)? You can share your own toughts or send some professional analisis (with links of course). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroszka ( talk • contribs) 18:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Raqqa: ISIS victory
Deir-Ez-Zor: ISIS victory over rebels /SAA victory over ISIS
Hasaka: YPG-SAA victory
Homs: Major SAA victory
Hama: SAA victory
Aleppo: Major SAA victory
Latakia: SAA victory
Tartous: N/A
Swayda: N/A
Rif Dimashq: SAA victory
Qunietra/Derra: Major Rebel victory
Idlib: JAN victory
XJ-0461 v2 (
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19:29, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't say Hasaka is a YPG-SAA victory, yes, IS carried out several failed offensives but the first of these knocked out SAA from Regiment 121 and most of the southern countryside of the city, rest of frontlines save for Qamishlo South Front (YPG-SAA victories) have been more of a stalemate, with very little difference from the situation we had starting the year despite many offensives carried by all three parties.
Aleppo is also somewhat of a IS victory over rebels and YPG too since they got control of half of its northern countryside almost getting to Azaz while taking most of the Kobane countryside which YPG won't retake anytime soon if at all.
179.32.121.230 ( talk) 20:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Your analysis might seem credible if it wasn't for the "SAA victory over ISIS in Deir Ezzor". Being besieged in an airbase can in no way be interpreted as a victory. Anyways, the year 2014 was significant for many reasons. The rise of IS in eastern Syria is probably the biggest event to happen, followed by the tightening noose around Aleppo, as well as the rebel resurgence in the south. Other significant but less influential events include the Kobane media spectacle and anti-IS coalition conducting strikes in Syria, as well as the very recent fall of the Ma'arat al Nu'man SAA bases. The events in southern Idlib cast a shadow of doubt on the SRF: how come Al Nusra was able to come in and do what it did in one month that the SRF couldn't do in over a year? All of these events will continue to play out into 2015. In the south, the question is whether the rebels can push further and bring some relief to Ghouta, or if the so-called "Southern Front" will crack like the rebels have done in the north. Another question is how the rebels in Aleppo are going to maneuver: will they stick around and form another "Ghouta" or will they retreat ala Homs? IS is a big question all on its own, and all the questions we have are well known, the biggest one is whether the combined efforts of local and international belligerents will at least be able to slow them down. In Idlib, we are wondering whether central Syria is no longer a safe haven of the regime, and whether Al Nusra will be able to break the defensive line of northern Hama and push into the province. Of course these issues do not even encompass 50% of the war, and only a full paper could discuss everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.184.72.175 ( talk) 21:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Iraq [ Late June] [ Now] Yeah as a whole is generally bad for Everyone except ISIL until before June. Iraqi Government about the same as June, Kurds slight loss of ground since then, so ISIL has slight gains.
Syria [ January 18th [ Now Kurds: Massive loss of land around Kobane, slight loss in North East, little change North west.
Rebels: Loss of all land North East, not helped by Nusra truces with ISIL. Good progress in the south, have regained strong control of the border of the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Zone, much to the worry of those who are pro-Israel, as well as those who fear Israeli involvement. Israeli strikes on Hezbollah shipments alleged provision of weaponry to rebel groups may have helped, though personally I believe Israel does not want the Assad regime to fall, as Assad has kept peace with Israel. Rebels have traded roughly evenly with the Regime around Hama, Homes and Aleppo, but have lost ground to ISIS around al-Alab.
Regime: As well as the above listed, after rebel buffers between it and ISIL fell, it has lost sparsely populated areas, as well as denser areas between ISIL and Hama and between ISIL and Homs. It looks as though IS were trying to go straight for them.
ISIL: Pretty much all in above summaries. -- John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 23:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay,for the first three months of 2014,Momentum was on Assad's side,Qalamoun/Aleppo/Homs,from April to June,it was really a stalemate,hence Aleppo/Qalamoun/Ghouta for regime,but Kessab/Daraa for rebels,Deir ez zor for ISIS,from July till October,it was ISIS offensives hence Raqqa/Hasakah/Aleppo/Homs,for the rest of the year,it was like Momentum for the rebels and Assad and ISIS, for rebels Idlib/the major breakthrough in Daraa through breaking the first defense line towards Rif Dimashq/Quneitra,ISIS really nothing,for Regime only Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
for 2015,government advance in Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta is expected,the war will overall stay a stalemate,unless the rebels capture the garrison city of Izra,which will effectively alter the course of the war in Southern Syria,and give the rebels back the momentum that they enjoyed from July 2012 till April 2013 and will make all regime advances irrevalent. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
there is a difference betweem fighting in an ultra-loyalist area like Kessab, and fighting in a pro-revolutionary area like Daraa. Alhanuty ( talk) 16:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, the infighting in Daraa has ended. Alhanuty ( talk) 16:56, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
all sides in the war except the kurds will be degraded through the fighting. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
38,000 rebels storming from Daraa and Quneitra will be enough to overwhelm those defenses,and force them to collapse. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Now United States are abandoning the rebels slowly not to make their fiasco too visible. Any idea of the FSA defeating Assad and ISIS its delussional at this point. A mere Dream of someone disconected from the real situation in Syria, making their fantasy going against logic and reality. 179.7.85.122 ( talk) 14:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Protests in Al Waer against the rebel groups there. In addition to, the protesters attacked the post of Sharia body in the neighborhood. Edward Dark SOHR Hanibal911 ( talk) 10:12, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
The protests in Douma are much the same civilians are leaving to government areas because of lack of food and rebel infighting . 86.141.225.40 ( talk) 17:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Having 303,376 bytes of talk page means we have roughly twice as much as ISIL's. Could we, perhaps reduce the auto-archive time? It's rare that we have 1 day between successive posts of discussion that isn't ended (I think I found one that was five days and the next largest I spotted was 28 hours). A large number of edits are about inaccuracies and updates that are quickly dealt with, normally within about a day. The only thing I would think might have an argument for staying longer would be RfCs, but I think they are protected from auto-archive. This will make 69 sections on this page. -- John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 04:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Pro opposition source reported about clashes between Al Nusra and FSA after Nusra dominates on registration buildings in the wown Mare' in Aleppo province. Qasion News Also SOHR reported that some rebel fighters in the city of Mare’ opened fire on posts of al- Nusra Front and Ahraro al- Sham movement demanding them to leave the city on the backdrop of arresting some “mischief- makers” by ” the Force of Rad al- Mazalem” that consists of The Nusra Front, rebel and Islamic factions. SOHR So we need marked this town under the joint control moderate rebels and Al Nusra. Hanibal911 ( talk) 19:20, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Why joint control ? According to that, you can change the entire map to join control since JAN is present almost everywhere. And SOHR says "some rebel fighters". Ahrar Sham is also present in Maree. Do you really think rebels would attack them if they were not the majority there ? DuckZz ( talk) 19:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree with DuckZz no need for joint control .If fighting persists then it might be contested . 81.156.226.104 ( talk) 20:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
I agree with Hanibal. Al-Nusra is present throughout rebel held land, but it is asserting itself here. That needs to be shown since Al-Nusra does have a very strong presence here if it is capable of such action. XJ-0461 v2 ( talk) 00:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
This arch-pro opp source insists on showing Kabajeb and Al-Shulah under regime control Archicivilians. Is it time to indicate them as red? Kihtnu ( talk) 09:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
There are no neutral sources about these events but i'll post what i have, so others can post their opinion. In this case it's either Rebel or IS sources.
According to opposition activists, and opposition group channels (Al-Asala Tanmiya, Islamic Front, Al Rahmam corps, and other FSA groups), Rebels (Mainly IF and FSA) have expelled IS members from Rif Damascus area (including Bir Qassab and "Eastern Qalamun" now showed as JAN area).
More pictures of rebels in Eastern Qalamun taking IS locations, 1, 2, 3, 4
So what is the point of all this, and lets say everything above is ok for you, i would edit these things : Bir Qasab and Al Busayri to green. Eastern Qalamun rural presence from grey to green, at least 70% of the factions there are not from JAN org. The thing about Jayroud town is really weird, maybe it's completely empty and rebels did capture it but i don't know. DuckZz ( talk) 22:56, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I follow the situation in Qalamoun since 1.5 year, my bet is on waiting til the winter ends, there are atleast 3000 of them(rebel,jan,IS etc) in Qalamoun, most of them will join IS maybe, they are surrounded by SAA/Hezbollah but not really, and the winter will be very harsh. It doesn't make sense to change anything in my opinion unless something remarkable happens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totholio ( talk • contribs) 23:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
You are talking about things that are not related to this section. I'm not mentioning Western Qalamun and the mountains. DuckZz ( talk) 00:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
But that's it, you won't find any more sources than this. If you don't change things now, they will stay like this forever. I think Bir Qasab and Eastern Qalamun rural presence should go green. DuckZz ( talk) 17:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Still, I think we need to change the JAN grey area in Eastern Qalamun to green, as there is not much presence of Al Nusra, they are concentrated in Western Qalamun.
Rebels posted new pictures showing their fighters in
Also some videos : Captured ISIS fighters in Eastern Qalamun, Targeting Syrian army, Captured IS base in Eastern Qalamun. After all, the video in my first post clearly shows the rebel commander statement at the end of which groups are operating in this area, naming 5 different rebel and IF groups .. And yes, you will not find any other sources than this, neither JAN or Regime oriented, that's why we have a talk page, to determine which edit can be made despite some "rules" ... DuckZz ( talk) 18:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
It's not a succes, they just changed roles. Why would any reliable source (news agency) write about this .. DuckZz ( talk) 19:08, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry me guys that are off topic but still congratulate all!
not yet here in New Jersey. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Happy New Year to everyone, may it bring some peace at last Kihtnu ( talk) 09:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
According to SOHR IS militants are still fighting with the Regime Forces in al-jafra village,and violent clashes reported near 137 Brigade. here. Lindi29 ( talk) 15:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Islamist fighters seized a suburb east of Damascus after driving out a smaller rival insurgent group in deadly clashes. Fighters from the Army of Islam clashed with members of the Army of the Nation group in Douma, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights(SOHR) said. Both groups include Sunni Muslim fighters opposed to President Bashar al-Assad's government, and the fighting is seen as more of a turf war than a conflict over ideology. The Observatory, which gathers information from a network of sources in Syria, said several fighters were killed, without giving details. It added that the Army of Islam had detained many of its rival combatants. The groups, part of a myriad of opposition factions in the war, have both fought the Syrian army as well as battling each other for control of Douma, a strategic suburb on one of the main roads linking the capital with Homs city further north. Islamic groups such as Islamic State and al Qaeda's Nusra Front have benefited from the infighting and have emerged as some of the strongest factions in the conflict. Reuters The Daily Star Hanibal911 ( talk) 13:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The Umm Rumman hill (تل ام رمان) is falsely placed here. It is a hill directly overlooking Dumeir (الضمير) and the Baghdad-Damascus highway (طريق بغداد – دمشق):
ChrissCh94 ( talk) 23:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Why is this town marked as rebel-held? These [7] [8] show it as regime held. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 13:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Pro-opp map is almost 1 month old, I think we changed it to green somewere in mid December. DuckZz ( talk) 14:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree DuckZz ( talk) 09:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
ilooked at Wikimapia and I realised that it is literally nothing but there is a gas station next to it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.142.235 ( talk) 14:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Free Syrian Army declared war on Islamic Front Zahran "to hunt him down wherever he is". Jaish al-Umma is over. Elijah J. Magnier Hanibal911 ( talk) 20:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The picture's fake, already confirmed by various groups (FSA linked) and opposition activists. Although it may be a declaration by a independent group, obviously not by the entire "FSA" southern front lol. DuckZz ( talk) 22:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Another prove that Al-Masdar is not reliable(SOHR also isn't). If the FSA and IF we're actually at war we would have news by now. Actually, they are fighting together in Aleppo(the new rebel advances in Aleppo wouldn't be possible without the Islamic Front and the Free Syrian Army working together). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.219.152.90 ( talk) 01:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
SOHR (article here) reporting clashes between IS and YPG in the village Maqsomah (Maqsuma) west of Ras al- Ayn and also clashes between IS and SAA in the village Mafraq Seddig west of Hasakah. I can't find any of the two villages on the map. Can someone locate them and put them out, please? ( YPG source for the clashes) Rhocagil ( talk) 20:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 there is no problem reading the source. The main problem for me is that it´s not on the map. You don't need to put it out contested or semi-sieged, but I still want it on the map. Maybee thou its hard to find (I can't find it on Google maps or wikimapia).
Other interesting news from the area from Al-masdar here is that it seems like village Mabrouka is under YPG control. YPG themselves reported a month (I think) ago that they where in control of the village, but no one else confirmed until now. I don´t know if Al-Masdar is a valid source for editing this? Rhocagil ( talk) 14:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
In this map Mabrouka is not called Tal Mabrouka like in Al-Masdar article so it might as well be a nearby hill, can anyone with arabic knowledge check if there is that's the case in wikimapia?
186.116.26.93 ( talk) 10:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Who added this site as rebel-held? The only source that was used was the recent Archivilians map [9] known to be massively pro-opp. So please remove this site and only keep the Cement Factories as rebel-held since they were confirmed by regime sources in a previous discussion. The Archivilians map is quite inaccurate since it portrays Al Safa station, a gas station with a nearby restaurant, as a military complex. It shows the Battalion 559 still rebel-held despite rebel claims that they retreated etc. Therefore this map is not only biased but also inaccurate and cannot be used to display rebel-gains. So remove the rebel-held Khan Abu Shamat military complex but KEEP the rebel-held cement factories. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 12:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I added it, and here's the reason. Regime sources were informing about rebel presence in the complexes north-west or Sayal Airbase, someone added the cement factory but not the military complex right next to it. Another reason is the big number of pointless edits on this map in Qalamun and Daraa province without a clear source, hills are being added which are pointless, empty and never were used as a base or a checkpoint, same goes for unclear "storage" bases of something.
If you want to remove this rebel complex, then be prepared to remove dozens of other sites which are added because "Government or who else" , "probably" controls it.
DuckZz (
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12:37, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I understand, i will open a section here for requests to remove some sites from the map which are added without source given or are pointless or both in most cases. DuckZz ( talk) 13:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Tottaly relaxed, don't know why you think that. I already said that there was no clear pro-government or neutral source about this, only from rebel and pro-rebel activist channels. That's why I like to open a section here so we can discuss if an edit can be made even if there is no pro-regime source confirming that, something that is maybe too obvious.
These are not irrelevant sites. Be sure I am very careful not to have a biased map. I was the one who convinced the editors to change Khazzanat to green, to show rebel presence near Madaya/Jayroud. I think this map is fair and accurate enough. But when you added this Khan Abu Shamat complex, you brought up an old consensus where we decided to add it back once we find reliable sources confirming who controls it. Personally I don't think the rebels control it because:
If the rebels captured it, we would have at least seen some pictures, some videos of this "horrible" place. Yet none were shown while YouTube was virtually spammed with videos of the nearby cement factories. That's my opinion. And also according to the map's rules I'm sorry but we cannot keep the Khan Abu Shamat. Feel free to find sources on the matter. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 14:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Right, now i'll write some places that, in my view, have no reason to be shown on this map and you can discuss if they are worth it.
Tall Mutawaq had a small base/CP on its top and is rebel held. Umm Rumman hill was captured from the rebels not long ago. It's kinda like Observatory 45 in Latakia, used to monitor the nearby plains. I don't know much about the rest. People might complain about the numerous hills in Daraa but thing is they are mostly military sites built in case of an Israeli Invasion. Some were built after the civil war began. SAA is not naive enough to leave hills, monitoring vast areas, empty. This saves the SAA manpower. Instead of deploying 300 troops around a rebel held village, deploy 100 on a hill monitoring the village. Basic Logic. So most hills in Daraa (rebel or regime held) are indeed military sites. Personally I've been to Daraa and I've seen some of those hills, they do monitor large large areas. I don't think we should remove them no matter who controls them. But again about the Khan Abou Shamat complex, nothing new has occurred no new sources were provided. We compromised and agreed before to remove it so now what has changed? Nothing has changed so why add it back?! Doesn't make any sense. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 18:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Official NDF page reported rebel attacks on SAA/NDF positions near the town. Not the first of its kind. Should we add a green semi-circle to the north from the side of Rahjan? [13] ChrissCh94 ( talk) 23:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Green semi-circle above Sa'an would make sense there is one above Jubb Khasarah south of Sa'an so how about moving it north to show current situation . 81.156.226.104 ( talk) 13:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
This guy (pro-rebel, pro-Ukraine lol) tried to show the front line west from Morek. According to him, it's right there and it does look like that.
Pro-opposition source said that loyalists seized some towns to IS in area between mount Abdel-Aziz and Khabur valley. And that this area under the protection of YPG and Loyalists. deSyracuse (of 8 January) So i noted village Khuraytah under control by army and YPG and I think that we also need noted under the joint control army and YPG some other villages in this area. Hanibal911 ( talk) 11:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
According to data from pro opposition source those villages under cpntrol by moderate rebels. Personally, I believe that these villages under the control of moderate rebels. Hey guys if have someone of you have other data you can provide their. Hanibal911 ( talk) 08:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Harjalah should stay as it is. IS probably withdrew from Marat Hawsh after rebels recaptured Mare, looking at the map its just logical to mark it as green. DuckZz ( talk) 11:49, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Interesting fact, 2 opposition sources saying a regime convoy from Afrin was intercepted. I thought Afrin was entirely YPG-held. Any opinions, news, info on the matter? [14] [15] [16] ChrissCh94 ( talk) 10:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Not really. Afrin is controled mostly by local kurdish groups, not really YPG, they don't want trouble with anyone so they allow free movement for rebels and regime forces inside their territory (certain conditions), confirmed after SAA withdrew from Menagh, confirmed after rebels started their offensive against ISIS last year. DuckZz ( talk) 11:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Any reliable source ? No, as far as i know. DuckZz ( talk) 13:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Afrin is obviously Kurdish held. Those sources have to be crazy. Also, what is that village near Nubl and Zahraa? If the regime had ANY villages near those towns, they would be annoucing it or Nusra would be attacking them. The Kurds hold all territory west of those Shia towns, and there are no convoys coming from Afrin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.183.254.109 ( talk) 15:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
SOHR reports has talked aout clashes inside Nubl and Zahraa,but i believe more confirmation and reports must come inorder to change them contested any other opinions
https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/638641326244209. Alhanuty ( talk) 22:38, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
SOHR has a very bad English translation. The clashes are most likely in the towns outskirts. Nubl and Zahraa are fortified enough to hold any rebel offensive for quite sometime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.219.152.90 ( talk) 23:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I want to make an industrial complex icon right here. SOHR and other channels are always mentioning this area when talking about Zahra and Nubl clashes.
We should keep a eye on Nubl and Zahra. Nusra terrorists and IF launched a new offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.97.166.52 ( talk) 18:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Last night every attack was repeled by the SAA & NDF forces, dozens of dead JAN members, but they started another offensive this evening and they advanced towards the mid square of Al-Nubl. New map posted 2 hours ago. DuckZz ( talk) 21:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I am really confused. Now Al Jazeera is saying that rebels control 50% of Al Nubl lol. Hard to belive really but lets wait a couple of days. We know that rebels have a strong media, they will probably provide some photos/videos from inside the city if confirmed. DuckZz ( talk) 22:33, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Bur SOHR reported that Nusra entered the towns for the first time,what do you suggest to be done,then Hannibal. Alhanuty ( talk) 23:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
The villages of Nubol and Zahraa in Aleppo province had been under siege by Al-Nusra Front, al-Qaida's Syria branch, and other Islamist rebels for a year and a half. SOHR said that Al-Nusra fighters entered the villages on seven tanks. It was a major, simultaneous attack. The National Defence Force, a pro-government militia, repelled the attack with support Syrian air force and jihadists withdrew. Naharnet Daily Mail Arab Today AD-HOC News Reuters Hanibal911 ( talk) 09:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
The Islamic State sends dozens fighters from Deir ez Zor province to Iraq to participate in battles on different fronts against the Iraqi forces and Peshmerga. Ammon News Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:03, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
How should we deal with that [18] ? Those places, al-Jnayneh and al-Hsan, are located on the detailed Deir Er zoor map. Could somebody spot them exactly? Could they be Мешия-Джнейне and Al-Hussainiyah Paolowalter ( talk) 18:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Per this SOHR article, http://syriahr.com/en/2015/01/the-regime-forces-open-fire-on-the-town-of-allatamneh-in-hama-and-violent-clashes-erupt-in-daraa-al-balad/, the SAA is inside the town. Could someone please change its status to contested [or at least add a red ring]. Thanks. XJ-0461 v2 ( talk) 03:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree . Pyphon ( talk) 09:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
It is not sufficient for turning it contested. A red ring is sufficient. Paolowalter ( talk) 11:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
What about Khan Sheykun. I think we should leave the red ring south of Khanazat but is there are logic doing the same for Khan Sheykun ? I think the SAA would attack Kafrzita instead of staying south of Khan Sheykun ? I know that SOHR reported about barel bombs falling in the vicinity of the town several times so far. DuckZz ( talk) 22:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
From the article> "Marj as-Sultan ultimately did fall to the rebels, but has since been retaken by government troops."
Section intercepted conversations. Any news of this? Daki122 ( talk) 14:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Syrian perspective did but I can not find it , at the time it was not elegible because of its pro government stance . Pyphon ( talk) 17:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
Reliable source said that tens of killed and wounded among Al Nusra fighters in village Misqan north of Aleppo in consequence of the explosion two car bombs. Elijah J. Magnier Elijah J. Magnier Elijah J. Magnier So maybe we need add this village under control of Al Nusra. Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:18, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
There are 2 checkpoints, the one that was destroyed by an IED is located a bit outside the village, and by the way it's obviously destroyed so we can't even show it on the map. No informations about who controls the village but most areas north of Alepo are controled by the Northern Storm. Actually both checkpoints are outside the village. DuckZz ( talk) 17:42, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
I can't find the location, can you post a wikimap link. I would add the vilage but the map is filled enough, it won't probably be ever important. How about to change Al Ghafer to JAN or rebel control, i thought you said the village is far away from government lines. DuckZz ( talk) 22:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
And there you have the problem. I think you should remove the village as nobody controls it. Most rebel and Nusra fighters are located near the frontline and near the Turkish border. That's the reason they have checkpoints near villages and towns in northern Alepo. There were videos showing those 2 checkpoints after the blast and they were clearly outside the village, the same was said by opposition sources who reported about that, same said by SOHR etc. We don't have any source about the situation inside the village so i think it should be removed. DuckZz ( talk) 18:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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https://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Revolution/photos/a.10150397575815727.619133.420796315726/10155167574500727/?type=1&theater The official Syrian Revolution Page saying rebels liberated the Zalaqiat checkpoint. This means the checkpoint was/is regime held. I suggest changing the Zalaqiat checkpoint to regime held because the same page announced that Tal Kroum was liberated while we all know it wasn't. Zalaqiat CP to red and we could add a semi-green circle to its north. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 23:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
According to many reports, there is a steady presence of al-Nusra in the Dar'a and Quneitra governorates, controlling a significant number of villages. Some say that they cooperate with the Syrian Opposition in this area (Islamic Front and SRF), but they still form a separate and distinctive force. GreyShark ( dibra) 17:04, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Moderate rebels are no longer one of the major players in the Syrian conflict! The four strongest authorities in Syria are the Assad government, ISIS, Nusra, and the Kurds. They rule close to 95% of Syrian territory:
This leaves the hundreds of additional militias controlling the remaining 5%, but in some areas “No F.S.A. faction can operate without Nusra’s approval.” Jihadis prevailed in 2014. Joshua Landis Hanibal911 ( talk) 15:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
There biggest mistake was getting into bed with jihadi groups which lost them support outside Syria and inside . There only hope now must be in a peace deal that gives them some say in running the country ,as for the jihadists the war goes on until the government and moderates are defeated . 81.156.224.243 ( talk) 18:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Pre-Kobane siege pro-kurdish outlet welati claimed areas controlled by kurds had a population of 3.5 millions, pre-Kobane numbers could probably be way closer to 2 million however, have to search a bit more of info on the matter.
179.32.121.230 ( talk) 18:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
While reading his previous articles I had a meaning that Joushua Landis has some menthal problems, while he suddenly posts something unrelated .. i can't remember now but he often used words such as "monkey, rats, gorilaz" describing rebels in Syria. I think his wife comes from Latakia, that could be the reason, nevertheless i always think he's a propagadna writer, nothing more, but this is just my opinion. DuckZz ( talk) 22:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
SOHR said two weeks ago that government don't control more than 30 % of Syria anymore... The numbers of the beginning of this discussion are I believe quiet biased... I agree with the fact that moderate rebels do not control much of the ground but if you consider the territory still held by the Shamia Front in Aleppo, in Idlib, as long with the ground held by the Southern Front, and the Islamic Front in Damascus contryside, the more or less moderate military opposition forces are still a player on the ground that could rise from the ashes of the current Syria in the years to come of this ongoing war... Two years ago, who would have believed that ISIS would have taken that much ground today ? I think burying anyone now would not be serious at all. Oussj ( talk) 19:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Can somebody who edited red dots and checkpoints all along the eastern Jordanian border in Daraa province give his/her sources? There has been no discussion here, but there have been edited some three border checkpoints, two red villages and the industrial zone near Nasib. Sources?
On this page the discussion is here Boredwhytekid ( talk) 18:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hanibal911 .A editor has taken them of map .Vandalism . 86.141.225.40 ( talk) 10:16, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
According to Aranews both villages have been bombed recently meaning they are in control of IS, from what I see they are not present in the map but mapping them out could prove useful to better detail the Tal Hamis area, specially if future offensives end up happening.
Source is aranews: http://aranews.net/2014/12/syrian-regime-renews-airstrikes-militants-near-qamishli/
According to wikimapia Abu Kabir is the village directly north of Tal Hamis, here:
http://wikimapia.org/8649183/Tall-Hamis
Um Kuheif however I can't find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.112.200.23 ( talk) 17:10, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to shrink the size of the Aleppo city sub-map on the overall module? If we could scoot the right side of it over to say, lined up with Safira, we would better be able to document the territory around Kweiris Airbase and the clashes north of Lake Jabboul. al-Masdar, SOHR, and the ISW all report increased fighting in the area. Tradedia talk I know you are a creator of the map; André437 you've done some graphic design for this. MrPenguin20, Kami888, I see you two are involved with the Aleppo map as well. Opinions/options? Boredwhytekid ( talk) 14:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I think it's even a better idea to remove the map for Hasaka and instead make a map for Kobane, there are plenty of uptades and sources showing the situation. DuckZz ( talk) 20:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I do think Boredwhytekid has a good point and I also think DuckZz has a good point in making a map for Kobane. Rhocagil ( talk) 02:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I mean: Who won in long term, who lost power. What were the major terriorial changes in this year? What do you expect in 2015 ? What do you think about the rise of ISIS in the eastern parts of Syria and half of Iraq and the rising of Al-Nursa "emirate" in Idlib ? Do you think that the "moderate" rebels will play any role in the future (Failure or succes of the American foregin policy) ? Do you think that the Assad-goverment will collapse sooner or later in long term (lack of manpower)? You can share your own toughts or send some professional analisis (with links of course). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroszka ( talk • contribs) 18:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Raqqa: ISIS victory
Deir-Ez-Zor: ISIS victory over rebels /SAA victory over ISIS
Hasaka: YPG-SAA victory
Homs: Major SAA victory
Hama: SAA victory
Aleppo: Major SAA victory
Latakia: SAA victory
Tartous: N/A
Swayda: N/A
Rif Dimashq: SAA victory
Qunietra/Derra: Major Rebel victory
Idlib: JAN victory
XJ-0461 v2 (
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19:29, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't say Hasaka is a YPG-SAA victory, yes, IS carried out several failed offensives but the first of these knocked out SAA from Regiment 121 and most of the southern countryside of the city, rest of frontlines save for Qamishlo South Front (YPG-SAA victories) have been more of a stalemate, with very little difference from the situation we had starting the year despite many offensives carried by all three parties.
Aleppo is also somewhat of a IS victory over rebels and YPG too since they got control of half of its northern countryside almost getting to Azaz while taking most of the Kobane countryside which YPG won't retake anytime soon if at all.
179.32.121.230 ( talk) 20:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Your analysis might seem credible if it wasn't for the "SAA victory over ISIS in Deir Ezzor". Being besieged in an airbase can in no way be interpreted as a victory. Anyways, the year 2014 was significant for many reasons. The rise of IS in eastern Syria is probably the biggest event to happen, followed by the tightening noose around Aleppo, as well as the rebel resurgence in the south. Other significant but less influential events include the Kobane media spectacle and anti-IS coalition conducting strikes in Syria, as well as the very recent fall of the Ma'arat al Nu'man SAA bases. The events in southern Idlib cast a shadow of doubt on the SRF: how come Al Nusra was able to come in and do what it did in one month that the SRF couldn't do in over a year? All of these events will continue to play out into 2015. In the south, the question is whether the rebels can push further and bring some relief to Ghouta, or if the so-called "Southern Front" will crack like the rebels have done in the north. Another question is how the rebels in Aleppo are going to maneuver: will they stick around and form another "Ghouta" or will they retreat ala Homs? IS is a big question all on its own, and all the questions we have are well known, the biggest one is whether the combined efforts of local and international belligerents will at least be able to slow them down. In Idlib, we are wondering whether central Syria is no longer a safe haven of the regime, and whether Al Nusra will be able to break the defensive line of northern Hama and push into the province. Of course these issues do not even encompass 50% of the war, and only a full paper could discuss everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.184.72.175 ( talk) 21:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Iraq [ Late June] [ Now] Yeah as a whole is generally bad for Everyone except ISIL until before June. Iraqi Government about the same as June, Kurds slight loss of ground since then, so ISIL has slight gains.
Syria [ January 18th [ Now Kurds: Massive loss of land around Kobane, slight loss in North East, little change North west.
Rebels: Loss of all land North East, not helped by Nusra truces with ISIL. Good progress in the south, have regained strong control of the border of the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Zone, much to the worry of those who are pro-Israel, as well as those who fear Israeli involvement. Israeli strikes on Hezbollah shipments alleged provision of weaponry to rebel groups may have helped, though personally I believe Israel does not want the Assad regime to fall, as Assad has kept peace with Israel. Rebels have traded roughly evenly with the Regime around Hama, Homes and Aleppo, but have lost ground to ISIS around al-Alab.
Regime: As well as the above listed, after rebel buffers between it and ISIL fell, it has lost sparsely populated areas, as well as denser areas between ISIL and Hama and between ISIL and Homs. It looks as though IS were trying to go straight for them.
ISIL: Pretty much all in above summaries. -- John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 23:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay,for the first three months of 2014,Momentum was on Assad's side,Qalamoun/Aleppo/Homs,from April to June,it was really a stalemate,hence Aleppo/Qalamoun/Ghouta for regime,but Kessab/Daraa for rebels,Deir ez zor for ISIS,from July till October,it was ISIS offensives hence Raqqa/Hasakah/Aleppo/Homs,for the rest of the year,it was like Momentum for the rebels and Assad and ISIS, for rebels Idlib/the major breakthrough in Daraa through breaking the first defense line towards Rif Dimashq/Quneitra,ISIS really nothing,for Regime only Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
for 2015,government advance in Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta is expected,the war will overall stay a stalemate,unless the rebels capture the garrison city of Izra,which will effectively alter the course of the war in Southern Syria,and give the rebels back the momentum that they enjoyed from July 2012 till April 2013 and will make all regime advances irrevalent. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
there is a difference betweem fighting in an ultra-loyalist area like Kessab, and fighting in a pro-revolutionary area like Daraa. Alhanuty ( talk) 16:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, the infighting in Daraa has ended. Alhanuty ( talk) 16:56, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
all sides in the war except the kurds will be degraded through the fighting. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
38,000 rebels storming from Daraa and Quneitra will be enough to overwhelm those defenses,and force them to collapse. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Now United States are abandoning the rebels slowly not to make their fiasco too visible. Any idea of the FSA defeating Assad and ISIS its delussional at this point. A mere Dream of someone disconected from the real situation in Syria, making their fantasy going against logic and reality. 179.7.85.122 ( talk) 14:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Protests in Al Waer against the rebel groups there. In addition to, the protesters attacked the post of Sharia body in the neighborhood. Edward Dark SOHR Hanibal911 ( talk) 10:12, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
The protests in Douma are much the same civilians are leaving to government areas because of lack of food and rebel infighting . 86.141.225.40 ( talk) 17:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Having 303,376 bytes of talk page means we have roughly twice as much as ISIL's. Could we, perhaps reduce the auto-archive time? It's rare that we have 1 day between successive posts of discussion that isn't ended (I think I found one that was five days and the next largest I spotted was 28 hours). A large number of edits are about inaccuracies and updates that are quickly dealt with, normally within about a day. The only thing I would think might have an argument for staying longer would be RfCs, but I think they are protected from auto-archive. This will make 69 sections on this page. -- John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 04:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Pro opposition source reported about clashes between Al Nusra and FSA after Nusra dominates on registration buildings in the wown Mare' in Aleppo province. Qasion News Also SOHR reported that some rebel fighters in the city of Mare’ opened fire on posts of al- Nusra Front and Ahraro al- Sham movement demanding them to leave the city on the backdrop of arresting some “mischief- makers” by ” the Force of Rad al- Mazalem” that consists of The Nusra Front, rebel and Islamic factions. SOHR So we need marked this town under the joint control moderate rebels and Al Nusra. Hanibal911 ( talk) 19:20, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Why joint control ? According to that, you can change the entire map to join control since JAN is present almost everywhere. And SOHR says "some rebel fighters". Ahrar Sham is also present in Maree. Do you really think rebels would attack them if they were not the majority there ? DuckZz ( talk) 19:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree with DuckZz no need for joint control .If fighting persists then it might be contested . 81.156.226.104 ( talk) 20:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
I agree with Hanibal. Al-Nusra is present throughout rebel held land, but it is asserting itself here. That needs to be shown since Al-Nusra does have a very strong presence here if it is capable of such action. XJ-0461 v2 ( talk) 00:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
This arch-pro opp source insists on showing Kabajeb and Al-Shulah under regime control Archicivilians. Is it time to indicate them as red? Kihtnu ( talk) 09:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
There are no neutral sources about these events but i'll post what i have, so others can post their opinion. In this case it's either Rebel or IS sources.
According to opposition activists, and opposition group channels (Al-Asala Tanmiya, Islamic Front, Al Rahmam corps, and other FSA groups), Rebels (Mainly IF and FSA) have expelled IS members from Rif Damascus area (including Bir Qassab and "Eastern Qalamun" now showed as JAN area).
More pictures of rebels in Eastern Qalamun taking IS locations, 1, 2, 3, 4
So what is the point of all this, and lets say everything above is ok for you, i would edit these things : Bir Qasab and Al Busayri to green. Eastern Qalamun rural presence from grey to green, at least 70% of the factions there are not from JAN org. The thing about Jayroud town is really weird, maybe it's completely empty and rebels did capture it but i don't know. DuckZz ( talk) 22:56, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I follow the situation in Qalamoun since 1.5 year, my bet is on waiting til the winter ends, there are atleast 3000 of them(rebel,jan,IS etc) in Qalamoun, most of them will join IS maybe, they are surrounded by SAA/Hezbollah but not really, and the winter will be very harsh. It doesn't make sense to change anything in my opinion unless something remarkable happens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totholio ( talk • contribs) 23:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
You are talking about things that are not related to this section. I'm not mentioning Western Qalamun and the mountains. DuckZz ( talk) 00:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
But that's it, you won't find any more sources than this. If you don't change things now, they will stay like this forever. I think Bir Qasab and Eastern Qalamun rural presence should go green. DuckZz ( talk) 17:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Still, I think we need to change the JAN grey area in Eastern Qalamun to green, as there is not much presence of Al Nusra, they are concentrated in Western Qalamun.
Rebels posted new pictures showing their fighters in
Also some videos : Captured ISIS fighters in Eastern Qalamun, Targeting Syrian army, Captured IS base in Eastern Qalamun. After all, the video in my first post clearly shows the rebel commander statement at the end of which groups are operating in this area, naming 5 different rebel and IF groups .. And yes, you will not find any other sources than this, neither JAN or Regime oriented, that's why we have a talk page, to determine which edit can be made despite some "rules" ... DuckZz ( talk) 18:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
It's not a succes, they just changed roles. Why would any reliable source (news agency) write about this .. DuckZz ( talk) 19:08, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry me guys that are off topic but still congratulate all!
not yet here in New Jersey. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Happy New Year to everyone, may it bring some peace at last Kihtnu ( talk) 09:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
According to SOHR IS militants are still fighting with the Regime Forces in al-jafra village,and violent clashes reported near 137 Brigade. here. Lindi29 ( talk) 15:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Islamist fighters seized a suburb east of Damascus after driving out a smaller rival insurgent group in deadly clashes. Fighters from the Army of Islam clashed with members of the Army of the Nation group in Douma, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights(SOHR) said. Both groups include Sunni Muslim fighters opposed to President Bashar al-Assad's government, and the fighting is seen as more of a turf war than a conflict over ideology. The Observatory, which gathers information from a network of sources in Syria, said several fighters were killed, without giving details. It added that the Army of Islam had detained many of its rival combatants. The groups, part of a myriad of opposition factions in the war, have both fought the Syrian army as well as battling each other for control of Douma, a strategic suburb on one of the main roads linking the capital with Homs city further north. Islamic groups such as Islamic State and al Qaeda's Nusra Front have benefited from the infighting and have emerged as some of the strongest factions in the conflict. Reuters The Daily Star Hanibal911 ( talk) 13:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The Umm Rumman hill (تل ام رمان) is falsely placed here. It is a hill directly overlooking Dumeir (الضمير) and the Baghdad-Damascus highway (طريق بغداد – دمشق):
ChrissCh94 ( talk) 23:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Why is this town marked as rebel-held? These [7] [8] show it as regime held. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 13:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Pro-opp map is almost 1 month old, I think we changed it to green somewere in mid December. DuckZz ( talk) 14:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree DuckZz ( talk) 09:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
ilooked at Wikimapia and I realised that it is literally nothing but there is a gas station next to it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.142.235 ( talk) 14:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Free Syrian Army declared war on Islamic Front Zahran "to hunt him down wherever he is". Jaish al-Umma is over. Elijah J. Magnier Hanibal911 ( talk) 20:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The picture's fake, already confirmed by various groups (FSA linked) and opposition activists. Although it may be a declaration by a independent group, obviously not by the entire "FSA" southern front lol. DuckZz ( talk) 22:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Another prove that Al-Masdar is not reliable(SOHR also isn't). If the FSA and IF we're actually at war we would have news by now. Actually, they are fighting together in Aleppo(the new rebel advances in Aleppo wouldn't be possible without the Islamic Front and the Free Syrian Army working together). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.219.152.90 ( talk) 01:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
SOHR (article here) reporting clashes between IS and YPG in the village Maqsomah (Maqsuma) west of Ras al- Ayn and also clashes between IS and SAA in the village Mafraq Seddig west of Hasakah. I can't find any of the two villages on the map. Can someone locate them and put them out, please? ( YPG source for the clashes) Rhocagil ( talk) 20:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 there is no problem reading the source. The main problem for me is that it´s not on the map. You don't need to put it out contested or semi-sieged, but I still want it on the map. Maybee thou its hard to find (I can't find it on Google maps or wikimapia).
Other interesting news from the area from Al-masdar here is that it seems like village Mabrouka is under YPG control. YPG themselves reported a month (I think) ago that they where in control of the village, but no one else confirmed until now. I don´t know if Al-Masdar is a valid source for editing this? Rhocagil ( talk) 14:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
In this map Mabrouka is not called Tal Mabrouka like in Al-Masdar article so it might as well be a nearby hill, can anyone with arabic knowledge check if there is that's the case in wikimapia?
186.116.26.93 ( talk) 10:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Who added this site as rebel-held? The only source that was used was the recent Archivilians map [9] known to be massively pro-opp. So please remove this site and only keep the Cement Factories as rebel-held since they were confirmed by regime sources in a previous discussion. The Archivilians map is quite inaccurate since it portrays Al Safa station, a gas station with a nearby restaurant, as a military complex. It shows the Battalion 559 still rebel-held despite rebel claims that they retreated etc. Therefore this map is not only biased but also inaccurate and cannot be used to display rebel-gains. So remove the rebel-held Khan Abu Shamat military complex but KEEP the rebel-held cement factories. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 12:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I added it, and here's the reason. Regime sources were informing about rebel presence in the complexes north-west or Sayal Airbase, someone added the cement factory but not the military complex right next to it. Another reason is the big number of pointless edits on this map in Qalamun and Daraa province without a clear source, hills are being added which are pointless, empty and never were used as a base or a checkpoint, same goes for unclear "storage" bases of something.
If you want to remove this rebel complex, then be prepared to remove dozens of other sites which are added because "Government or who else" , "probably" controls it.
DuckZz (
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12:37, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I understand, i will open a section here for requests to remove some sites from the map which are added without source given or are pointless or both in most cases. DuckZz ( talk) 13:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Tottaly relaxed, don't know why you think that. I already said that there was no clear pro-government or neutral source about this, only from rebel and pro-rebel activist channels. That's why I like to open a section here so we can discuss if an edit can be made even if there is no pro-regime source confirming that, something that is maybe too obvious.
These are not irrelevant sites. Be sure I am very careful not to have a biased map. I was the one who convinced the editors to change Khazzanat to green, to show rebel presence near Madaya/Jayroud. I think this map is fair and accurate enough. But when you added this Khan Abu Shamat complex, you brought up an old consensus where we decided to add it back once we find reliable sources confirming who controls it. Personally I don't think the rebels control it because:
If the rebels captured it, we would have at least seen some pictures, some videos of this "horrible" place. Yet none were shown while YouTube was virtually spammed with videos of the nearby cement factories. That's my opinion. And also according to the map's rules I'm sorry but we cannot keep the Khan Abu Shamat. Feel free to find sources on the matter. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 14:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Right, now i'll write some places that, in my view, have no reason to be shown on this map and you can discuss if they are worth it.
Tall Mutawaq had a small base/CP on its top and is rebel held. Umm Rumman hill was captured from the rebels not long ago. It's kinda like Observatory 45 in Latakia, used to monitor the nearby plains. I don't know much about the rest. People might complain about the numerous hills in Daraa but thing is they are mostly military sites built in case of an Israeli Invasion. Some were built after the civil war began. SAA is not naive enough to leave hills, monitoring vast areas, empty. This saves the SAA manpower. Instead of deploying 300 troops around a rebel held village, deploy 100 on a hill monitoring the village. Basic Logic. So most hills in Daraa (rebel or regime held) are indeed military sites. Personally I've been to Daraa and I've seen some of those hills, they do monitor large large areas. I don't think we should remove them no matter who controls them. But again about the Khan Abou Shamat complex, nothing new has occurred no new sources were provided. We compromised and agreed before to remove it so now what has changed? Nothing has changed so why add it back?! Doesn't make any sense. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 18:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Official NDF page reported rebel attacks on SAA/NDF positions near the town. Not the first of its kind. Should we add a green semi-circle to the north from the side of Rahjan? [13] ChrissCh94 ( talk) 23:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Green semi-circle above Sa'an would make sense there is one above Jubb Khasarah south of Sa'an so how about moving it north to show current situation . 81.156.226.104 ( talk) 13:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
This guy (pro-rebel, pro-Ukraine lol) tried to show the front line west from Morek. According to him, it's right there and it does look like that.
Pro-opposition source said that loyalists seized some towns to IS in area between mount Abdel-Aziz and Khabur valley. And that this area under the protection of YPG and Loyalists. deSyracuse (of 8 January) So i noted village Khuraytah under control by army and YPG and I think that we also need noted under the joint control army and YPG some other villages in this area. Hanibal911 ( talk) 11:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
According to data from pro opposition source those villages under cpntrol by moderate rebels. Personally, I believe that these villages under the control of moderate rebels. Hey guys if have someone of you have other data you can provide their. Hanibal911 ( talk) 08:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Harjalah should stay as it is. IS probably withdrew from Marat Hawsh after rebels recaptured Mare, looking at the map its just logical to mark it as green. DuckZz ( talk) 11:49, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Interesting fact, 2 opposition sources saying a regime convoy from Afrin was intercepted. I thought Afrin was entirely YPG-held. Any opinions, news, info on the matter? [14] [15] [16] ChrissCh94 ( talk) 10:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Not really. Afrin is controled mostly by local kurdish groups, not really YPG, they don't want trouble with anyone so they allow free movement for rebels and regime forces inside their territory (certain conditions), confirmed after SAA withdrew from Menagh, confirmed after rebels started their offensive against ISIS last year. DuckZz ( talk) 11:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Any reliable source ? No, as far as i know. DuckZz ( talk) 13:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Afrin is obviously Kurdish held. Those sources have to be crazy. Also, what is that village near Nubl and Zahraa? If the regime had ANY villages near those towns, they would be annoucing it or Nusra would be attacking them. The Kurds hold all territory west of those Shia towns, and there are no convoys coming from Afrin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.183.254.109 ( talk) 15:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
SOHR reports has talked aout clashes inside Nubl and Zahraa,but i believe more confirmation and reports must come inorder to change them contested any other opinions
https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/638641326244209. Alhanuty ( talk) 22:38, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
SOHR has a very bad English translation. The clashes are most likely in the towns outskirts. Nubl and Zahraa are fortified enough to hold any rebel offensive for quite sometime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.219.152.90 ( talk) 23:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I want to make an industrial complex icon right here. SOHR and other channels are always mentioning this area when talking about Zahra and Nubl clashes.
We should keep a eye on Nubl and Zahra. Nusra terrorists and IF launched a new offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.97.166.52 ( talk) 18:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Hanibal911 Last night every attack was repeled by the SAA & NDF forces, dozens of dead JAN members, but they started another offensive this evening and they advanced towards the mid square of Al-Nubl. New map posted 2 hours ago. DuckZz ( talk) 21:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I am really confused. Now Al Jazeera is saying that rebels control 50% of Al Nubl lol. Hard to belive really but lets wait a couple of days. We know that rebels have a strong media, they will probably provide some photos/videos from inside the city if confirmed. DuckZz ( talk) 22:33, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Bur SOHR reported that Nusra entered the towns for the first time,what do you suggest to be done,then Hannibal. Alhanuty ( talk) 23:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
The villages of Nubol and Zahraa in Aleppo province had been under siege by Al-Nusra Front, al-Qaida's Syria branch, and other Islamist rebels for a year and a half. SOHR said that Al-Nusra fighters entered the villages on seven tanks. It was a major, simultaneous attack. The National Defence Force, a pro-government militia, repelled the attack with support Syrian air force and jihadists withdrew. Naharnet Daily Mail Arab Today AD-HOC News Reuters Hanibal911 ( talk) 09:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
The Islamic State sends dozens fighters from Deir ez Zor province to Iraq to participate in battles on different fronts against the Iraqi forces and Peshmerga. Ammon News Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:03, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
How should we deal with that [18] ? Those places, al-Jnayneh and al-Hsan, are located on the detailed Deir Er zoor map. Could somebody spot them exactly? Could they be Мешия-Джнейне and Al-Hussainiyah Paolowalter ( talk) 18:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Per this SOHR article, http://syriahr.com/en/2015/01/the-regime-forces-open-fire-on-the-town-of-allatamneh-in-hama-and-violent-clashes-erupt-in-daraa-al-balad/, the SAA is inside the town. Could someone please change its status to contested [or at least add a red ring]. Thanks. XJ-0461 v2 ( talk) 03:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree . Pyphon ( talk) 09:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
It is not sufficient for turning it contested. A red ring is sufficient. Paolowalter ( talk) 11:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
What about Khan Sheykun. I think we should leave the red ring south of Khanazat but is there are logic doing the same for Khan Sheykun ? I think the SAA would attack Kafrzita instead of staying south of Khan Sheykun ? I know that SOHR reported about barel bombs falling in the vicinity of the town several times so far. DuckZz ( talk) 22:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
From the article> "Marj as-Sultan ultimately did fall to the rebels, but has since been retaken by government troops."
Section intercepted conversations. Any news of this? Daki122 ( talk) 14:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Syrian perspective did but I can not find it , at the time it was not elegible because of its pro government stance . Pyphon ( talk) 17:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)pyphon
Reliable source said that tens of killed and wounded among Al Nusra fighters in village Misqan north of Aleppo in consequence of the explosion two car bombs. Elijah J. Magnier Elijah J. Magnier Elijah J. Magnier So maybe we need add this village under control of Al Nusra. Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:18, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
There are 2 checkpoints, the one that was destroyed by an IED is located a bit outside the village, and by the way it's obviously destroyed so we can't even show it on the map. No informations about who controls the village but most areas north of Alepo are controled by the Northern Storm. Actually both checkpoints are outside the village. DuckZz ( talk) 17:42, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
I can't find the location, can you post a wikimap link. I would add the vilage but the map is filled enough, it won't probably be ever important. How about to change Al Ghafer to JAN or rebel control, i thought you said the village is far away from government lines. DuckZz ( talk) 22:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
And there you have the problem. I think you should remove the village as nobody controls it. Most rebel and Nusra fighters are located near the frontline and near the Turkish border. That's the reason they have checkpoints near villages and towns in northern Alepo. There were videos showing those 2 checkpoints after the blast and they were clearly outside the village, the same was said by opposition sources who reported about that, same said by SOHR etc. We don't have any source about the situation inside the village so i think it should be removed. DuckZz ( talk) 18:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)