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I have nothing against this user User:Boredwhytekid, some of their edition are correct but be listen he come here for doing only editions for making progress against the Government.
For him and others users don't care if the red town goes to Yellow, Black, Gray or Green, he just want another color different than red on towns or at least to put non red circles in red places.
So be clear he is not a neutral editor -- Pototo1 ( talk) 19:03, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Anti Gov SOHR Nawa is controlled by Nusra. http://news.yahoo.com/syria-rebels-qaeda-capture-key-southern-town-monitor-193046956.html http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Nov-09/276995-syria-rebels-nusra-capture-key-southern-town-monitor.ashx
This situation happens with basically all towns near Israeli border -- Pototo1 ( talk) 23:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
LOL democracy ?
Are you stupid ?
Common this is wikipedia dunno come with bullshits here any sense person know they are a bunch of sectarians killers addict to captagon backed by Israel and paying by Saudi Arabia
Hardly heard something more stupid and false. I hope you know you are lying. More relevant, this site is for discussion for the situation on ground not political opinion or whisful thinking. Therefore you are off-topic, stop vandalizing this page. 79.6.145.184 ( talk) 16:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
You say democracy...I say Adolf Hitler lol . Then JAN must of signed up there a big part of the southern front haha Andre437 you see the world through western eyes because western governments don't bomb citys killing civilians do they or torture people do they . The so called moderates will sign anything and fight along side anyone as long as it helps them. Pyphon ( talk) 15:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Let's try to stay on topic and civil, please. The important note in the "southern front" is that JAN and related Islamist militias do not have the type of numbers/sway to consolidate administrative control the way they have in Idlib, and formerly did in Deir el Zor. True, the many of the moderate groups have shown that they will say/sign whatever it takes to gain advantage on the battlefield, but that does not necessarily mean that their stated democratic leanings are disingenuous - there's really no way to truly know their intentions/philosophy unless/until they are in a position to govern/demonstrate it. In any case, it does not appear that JAN is the predominant military force in the south, though its presence there should not be understated either. We'll see how it plays out... Boredwhytekid ( talk) 15:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed ! Bored the voice of reason ;) Pyphon ( talk) 16:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Pototo1, here you used an amateur pro-government map to remove lime concentric circles from around al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara, forcing Hanibal911 to waste his revert here to undo your vandalism. Then you added 5 red towns based on the same amateur pro-government map. Then you removed lime concentric circles around Nassib border crossing and Mahajjah, again based off of the same amateur pro-government map. You have been editing here long enough to be fully aware that you are breaching protocol by pro-gov't editing from pro-government sources. Your flagrant violation of this most basic editing rule has gotten to the point of vandalism - as there are not enough reverts in a day to undo the blatantly bias and rule-breaking edits you make. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 14:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Peto Lucem proved always their maps always are correct there is the map https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/499490650812080129 and is clearly visible in al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara the insurgent presence no exits
We put on map these circles during long time adding a insurgent presence who no exist in al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara and Assal a Ward just because the pro insurgent editor User:Boredwhytekid want to have that there - ok we let him have these greens circles but after many weeks he no is satisfied and he want continue having these insurgent presence who no exit there and accused me of vandalism
There are not evidences of insurgent presence BLOCKING al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara only a bit in (Many weeks ago) in Assal a Ward and the insurgents where eliminated ..... -- Pototo1 ( talk) 15:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes the Insurgent clashed near Lebanese border in the West with the Syrian Army MANY WEEKS AGO and minor clashed in a substantial distance AWAY from Assal a Ward the Town some insurgent die the rest dispersed the Insurgents NO BLOCKED the West of Assal a Ward they are not able to besiege this zone in other Side the Lebanese Army are striking them too /info/en/?search=Battle_of_Arsal
Basically in this area they are just small groups very weak armed gangs no able to attack or blocked Assal a Ward - This is not the Israeli Border when the Insurgents are very stronger able to captured places and made substantial advances, the Lebanese Army fight these groups - The Israeli Army not, the Israeli Army only attack the Syrian Army position that's one reason because the Insurgents are stronger near Israel.
BTW I'm not removing the green circle who Boredwhytekid put in Assal a Ward a circle who for me no have a reason for be there I'm still keeping this green circle!
I'm just removing the green circles in al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara who no have any reason for be there since a lot time ago, Peto Lucem Maps are the most correct maps who you can found in this conflict their maps always are right he got a very high credibility.
PS for me the green circle in Assal al-Ward should be removed too -- Pototo1 ( talk) 16:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
And now, to defend your unjust edits, you have broken 1RR, by reverting Hannibal911's here, and reverting my edit here. I will not be drawn into an edit war, though you're wrecking the module. Hopefully an admin will provide recourse to undo the damage you've done. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 18:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I propose we ban Pototo1 from this page if he persists in this vandalism Jafar Saeed ( talk) 03:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. He had a track record of using Syrian Perspective maps, SANA and Al-Masdar for edits without even talking to other editors about it. Enough is enough.
More and more edits are being made to the map by editors without having other editors able to look at there source and discuss the edit . All perposed edits should be first put on this talk page before the map is changed this will allow all of us to understand the source and reason and should stop much of the reverts . thoughts anyone? Pyphon ( talk) 15:30, 20 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Are there any information about the withdrawing on other websites ?
Probability yes but it no have major impact in Aleppo at the military point because they are the so called "moderates" so they are no needing there anymore because are others irregular groups better armed like Chechens, Islamic Front, Al Qaeda, Muhaidin etc.. They are non Syrian they dont care do sectarians massacres, mass executions, tunnel bombing in civilians areas because they do that just for money and is who now needing the states who controlled them.
After many defeats these moderated are for the states who are against the Syrian State just wasted of money that's because the elements who controlled them letting the more violent groups controlled these areas, the States who caused that now just want prolonged the conflict making people killed and destruction, but a real plan for change the Regime in Aleppo area is no possible for them the whole population is against them -- Pototo1 ( talk) 18:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm guessing these article are mistaken, because they keep saying the FSA and it's leader Jamaal Maarouf fled, but Maarouf was just the leader of the SRF. Who knows though.. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 19:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Not mistaken the SRF was a reorganization of the FSA now the north is dominated by islamist/jihadi groups the only place where there is a strong moderate presence now is Daraa don't be surprised if Maarouf turns up there as there is nowhere else to go . Pyphon ( talk) 20:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Also if you scroll back to ADD COLOR FOR JAN I reported FSA /SRF were threatening to do this and I was acused of being on crack lol . Pyphon ( talk) 20:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
What road out of Aleppo do you think they are talking about? If its the castelo road (north circuit ) our Aleppo map is wrong its more than the 5klm . Pyphon ( talk) 15:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Two weeks ago, reliable source said that Syrian rebels were believed to be hold about 20 percent of Aleppo. And also said that Ankara could support a truce that might result in the withdrawal of most of the estimated 10,000 rebels from the city. In October, the army together with Hizbullah and other Iranian-backed Shi’ite militias captured what was termed a strategic area that produced weapons. World Tribune Hanibal911 ( talk) 20:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Violent clashes a erupting between the regime forces and Islamic battalions in the city of Talbise leading to kill a fighter at least. SOHR Hanibal911 ( talk) 10:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
So Talbiseh to contested!
Nevertheless for a middle to large city to become contested the fighting should repeated over some time or at least a small part of the city should occupied by the attacking site. 79.44.142.148 ( talk) 21:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
look what Hanibal saying!!!! and some of user calling him pro asad user....
Any source why these once saa controlled villages are changed to JAN . Pyphon ( talk) 18:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
According to RT arabic , Aqraba ,tat and jaarah under saa control and al nusra attack repelled. source: http://arabic.rt.com/features/765443-%D9%86%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A8/ Hwinsp ( talk) 19:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone agree for putting these villages to green instead of JAN controled ? SOHR reported that " Islamic battalions (Islamic front groups) and JAN did capture those areas". Now on every pro-rebel site it has been said that the main groups were Ahrar Al Sham and other smaller factions in the Islamic front, Al Nusra members only participated during the clashes and there's no logic for saying they control those 3 villages. Should I mark them as green ? DuckZz ( talk) 23:53, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Sources (rt and alahed) clearly say Aqraba ,tat and jaarah under saa control.And another video from yesterday shows saa inside Aqraba ,tat and jaarah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q95UwnbOWE&feature=youtu.be .Please, fix it Hwinsp ( talk) 08:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Since we have no clear confirmation (pro-opp saying Rebel held and pro-regime saying regime held) I vote let's turn them into CONTESTED ChrissCh94 ( talk) 13:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I'll change them to contested. DuckZz ( talk) 15:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Thank you. Pyphon ( talk) 20:29, 22 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.627635
According to Israeli Haaretz, only Baath and Khan Arnaba in Quneitra Province are under SAA control, and Baath sieged or contested...so, the other red spots in this province should turn green...or maybe, grey( Haaretz specifies that Nusra is the dominant force within the rebel in Quneitra). Fab8405 ( talk) 11:34, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Hanibal. Especially in the case of the cities of Turnajah and Hadar, which are majority Druze cities, which have more or less stood by the gov't in this conflict Carnegie Here's an Israeli source from this month confirming at least Hadar (and I suspect Turnajah as well) are still gov't held, or at least held by a local militia loyal to the gov't and hostile to the rebels. What we can take from haaretz is that al-Hamidiyah should probably be changed from contested to green - the rebels are launching attacks from there, and even being interviewed there apparently. It seems that - at this moment - green is on the offensive towards Madinet al-Baath, and al-Hamidiyah is at least for the time being securely rebel held. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 13:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Agree maybe saa presences to east of Hamidiyay until we get another source. Pyphon ( talk) 14:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
The Haaretz article gives prominence to al-Nusra involvement, saying that they and Islamic groups have most of the heavy weapons, but says they are fighting under the FSA banner with other rebels, all totaling about 2000 fighters, suggesting "hundreds" belong to al-Nusra. So it is just paranoia to take it as an al-Nusra operation. But it makes exciting headlines.
BTW "XJ-0461 v2", what is your source for "direct military support" to the rebels from Israel ? Note that other editors have agreed that the article is not completely reliable. It is presented as from a Reuters source (with the Haaretz headline and slant).
André437 (
talk) 21:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Israeli source are biased and unreliable. Furthermore most of infos are based on statements from rebels. Al-Hamidiyah was contested and no source support the change. Furthermore from [1] appears that NDF is present on the outskirts of Quneitra. Therefore also Quneitra green is wrong. Probably it should be contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 21:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
New report on Wadi Barad from al Mansar http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/hezbollah-saa-capture-wadi-barada/ Some area in the valley here are or were controlled by rebels but it is not reported on the map. It shoule be in the upper left corner of the Damascus map but it was wrongly cancelled in the past. Not sure what we can do with these info. Also the pro-opp twitter https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/536106844746686464 reports clashes in the area in Baseema here. Thas is confirmed by SOHR https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/614642778644064. It should go contested on the Damascus map, but the higher course of the valley should go green up to somewhere before Zabadani. Paolowalter ( talk) 13:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Suq Wadi Barada is fine under SAA control, but Kufayr al-Zayt, Ayn al-Fijah, Ashrafiyet are shown green. Given that we know that Baseema is contested, it is likely that Ashrafiyet (south of it) is unde SSA control. As conclusion: Kufayr al-Zayt, Dayr Migrin and Ayn al-Fijah shoud be green, Baseema contested. Between Kufayr al-Zayt and Suq Wadi Barada I can't say. Paolowalter ( talk) 18:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Now we have very strange situation in the Idlib province. Why the two rebel groups that are part of the Islamic Front are fighting against each other. Today was fierce battle between Ahrar al Sham (part of IF) and Jaish al-Islam (part of IF) in the Bab al-Hawa border crossing. here and later Jaish al-islam (part of IF) managed to take full control of Bab al-Hawa border crossing. here I have the feeling that in Idlib all fighting against all. Hanibal911 ( talk) 19:02, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
according to sohr ,rebels and nusra captured al-Zalaqiat checkpoint north of al zalaqiat village.(zalaqiat village still under saa control) source: https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/615083831933292 Location: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=tr&lat=35.283261&lon=36.600687&z=19&m=b Hwinsp ( talk) 09:08, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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ya que el pueblo ha sido recuperado por el ejercito Nass py ( talk) 21:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
According to document sy , saa captured zebdeen town https://www.facebook.com/documents.sy/posts/838561236206634 Hwinsp ( talk) 11:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
documents.sy is somehow pro-gov and provides unbiased and quite dry reports on the situation on the field. It has been accepted some time ago as reliable source. The same news is reported by PetoLucem on twitterhttps://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/536117826407628800. Paolowalter ( talk) 13:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
It does not specify what area of Zebdeen so contested should be the most appropriate. Daki122 ( talk) 15:31, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
present map of damascus is good. i heard something about capture of hannao in Aleppo by SAA?
Zabdin area should remain contested. Document.sy (pro-opposition) and Masdar (pro-government) said the town was captured in the morning, Masdar and Peto Lucem (pro-government) said in the afternoon the rebels recaptured parts of the town but were pushed back soon after and SOHR (pro-opposition but neutral in reporting) said the town was divided. In the evening SOHR said the Army was pushed back following an ambush. The battle is too fluid and info is contradictory, should stay contested for now. EkoGraf ( talk) 20:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Due to the escalating nature of this war and the expansion of dots, its harder and harder to read individual dots, so I propose the following:
1. Map resolution be increased to double its current size to better fit all the dots.
2. This map be merged with Iraqi Map as well, since these wars are not separate and IS has established itself as a state which is seeking to establish its borders so its pointless to have separate maps for Syria and Iraq and it will gie a more accurate picture of the conflict.
-- agreed. while people are at it, the png map could need an update, too. (
/info/en/?search=File:Syrian_civil_war.png#filehistory)
Attack by rebels on the pro-government enclave Zahraa http://syriahr.com/en/2014/11/jabhat-al-nusra-and-islamic-battalions-take-control-on-al-maamel-area-in-advances-of-their-massive-attack/. Unfortunately it is exploited by a well know vandal to turn the town contested, while the fighting are on the outskirts. Should I revert it or anybody else stop vandalism? Paolowalter ( talk) 18:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
the article clearly states that the rebels entered the town of Zahraa,and took the ma'ameel area inside of Zahraa,nothing change in Nubl,but in Zahraa it did change. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Paolowalter,you should better stop your personal attacks on me,okay. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Fighting is south and east of the town, not inside it. Its still besiege but not contested. EkoGraf ( talk) 20:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Some advance of SAA in Hasaka from https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/535534891803607042 and http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-captures-4-villages-near-ar-raqqa/ We should find those places and mark them red. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Anybody know where the village Makhroum (mentiond in this article here) is located on the map? If it isn´t there, can someone please place it out. :) Rhocagil ( talk) 19:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Al-Shaykh Miskin was changed green without discussion based on an occasional citation from a newspaper that was talking about something else [3]. It is reporting concerns of a citizen from a neighbouring town. The situation in the same city was discussed the same day in [4] showing in details how it was contested. No other source mentioned any change, nor SOHR nor twitter nor documents.sy. Therefore the city must remain contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 22:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
The town should stay contested until rebels capture brigade 82, which is part of the town itself. The only thing that boders me here is the fact that someone changed the brigade 82 icon for a circle, not logical, the brigade is part of the town and a checkpoint at the same time. I say we change back the icon ? DuckZz ( talk) 22:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
the Telegraph has confirmed that Sheikh Maskeen is rebel-held.PERIOD.and all of us know that the Telegraph is a very reliable source,also pro-regime sources confirmed that the rebels took Shiekh Maskeen,so the bottomline is other editors must stop reverting this edit. Alhanuty ( talk) 23:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Also Al-Masdar is a pro-regime source,so it can't be used for a regime advance,so stop whining Paolowalter. Alhanuty ( talk) 23:27, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Broken,Broken,Ahahah http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11247798/Syrian-Christians-Help-us-to-stay-stop-arming-terrorists.html. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:03, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
According to pro opp source , clashes still inside sheikh miskin,sheikh miskin should contested : https://www.facebook.com/LCCSy/photos/a.722911217736017.1073742271.217848338242310/1034937106533425/?type=1 Hwinsp ( talk) 09:21, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
the Telegraph is a very,very reliable source,this Vandalism,by Paolowalter must stop. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
clashes still inside sheikh miskin: https://www.facebook.com/documents.sy/posts/839542879441803
See [5] and a bunch of twitters from pro-opp side [6], [7] etc. I hope the issue is close for the time being. Once more Al-Masdar proved to be reliable. 192.135.12.144 ( talk) 07:54, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The Syrian troops with the support of NDF have captured the mills located on the road between the Hasakah-Tal Abyad in the village of Makhroum. Following the capture of the mills, the army took complete control of the Hasakah-Tal Abyad Road during the violent clashes against the Islamic State in the village of Makhroum; this resulted in the latter’s withdrawal to Jabal ‘Abdel-Aziz. IIT Turkey News Someone from the editors have more information about situation in this area. Hanibal911 ( talk) 21:36, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Sana it sounds like many of the villages in the area marked red and black (Makhroum, Al-Khama´il and more) should be changed to contested. Article is to be found here. I guess there i no problem changing red dots to contested when it´s a pro-SAA source right? Rhocagil ( talk) 22:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Document sy says saa captured several villages in hasakah area after IS withdrawal.source: https://www.facebook.com/documents.sy/posts/841304632598961 name of these villages: الخير والجمو Hwinsp ( talk) 12:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
SOHR confirmed. SAA captured 2 villages الخير والجمو But i dont know the location of these villages. http://www.syriahr.com/archives/39288 Hwinsp ( talk) 15:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
According to SOHR, http://www.syriahr.com/archives/39288, regime forces have advanced and captured the Bab-Al-Khayr and Al-Jamou area in the south-eastern countryside. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 15:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I found bab al khayr. http://wikimapia.org/#lang=tr&lat=36.532381&lon=40.407393&z=17&m=b&search=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D9%8A%D8%B1 Hwinsp ( talk) 16:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
SAA took Camp Khazanat and entered Khan Sheikhoun [www.almasdarnews.com/article/idlib-syrian-army-enters-khan-sheikhoun/]. That confirms various Twitter reports and (as far as concerns Camp Khazanat, a previous ambigous SOHR report https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/616016338506708. 79.41.9.162 ( talk) 17:10, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
The Syrian Army has entered Khan Sheikhoun for the 1st time in 6 months; SAA captured Camp Khazanat:
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/idlib-syrian-army-enters-khan-sheikhoun/
also change Khazanat to red and Half circle in south of khan Sheikoun please. Thanks.
If they really took Khazanat, that went totally dark by pro-rebel media, and they always report it. Wait for SOHR confirmation, as differently from Al-Masdar, they always report advances for the other side.
I know this might be far-fetched but I'm just gonna suggest it: why not add ONLY the main Highways (M5-M4-M20)? This will greatly increase the importance of some towns/cities/sites on this map helping readers further understand the strategies and tactics used by the different sides in this conflict. Opinions? ChrissCh94 ( talk) 15:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Pro government sources here here reported that the troops (11th Tank Division) recapture of the Camp Khazanat after weeks of heavy firefights with Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham north of the city of Morek and Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham retreat to north to the city of Khan Sheikhoun. And as a result of the capture of Camp Khazanat, the troops has entered southern Khan Sheikhoun. Al Masdar News But for now we cant on the basis of these data edit the map, we need confirmation these data from a neutral sources. Hanibal911 ( talk) 22:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)s
Al-Arabiyya (pro-rebel source) stating clashes IN Khan Shaykhun: http://www.alarabiya.net/ar/arab-and-world/syria/2014/11/27/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%85-%D9%82%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A5%D8%AF%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D9%84%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%A9.html
قالت الشبكة أيضاً إن اشتباكات عنيفة تدور بين الجيش الحر وقوات النظام في مدينة خان شيخون بريف إدلب، بعد محاولة قوات النظام اقتحام المدينة.
The Network also said that violent clashes taking place between the army and the forces of the free system in the city of Khan Shaykhun Brive Idlib , after regime forces try to storm the city. So Khan Shaykhun to contested but why has Khazzanat been turned to regime held? What are your sources? Please provide pro-rebel sources stating this. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 11:48, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm a native Arabic speaker but okay whatever I give up. Not even SANA nor Al-Mayadeen mentioned it. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 19:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Many reports that Hamaimat & Mustariha villages north of the Abu Duhur Airbase taken by SAA, e.g. https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/537939481274642432. 87.4.48.70 ( talk) 18:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
This report did not say (taken) it said (try to storm). Pyphon ( talk) 19:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
According to almasdar news SAA has captured and ended the 2 years siege and captured 2 other villages...while al-nusra captured 3 other villages. here Lindi29 ( talk) 21:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
The news of controlling these villages by SAA was confirmed by this source: http://www.almayadeen.net/Latest/a,D3pyT8S0qcHSQPaAoP7g/%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7--%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%AA%D9%8A--%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA--%D9%88-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AD%D8%A9--%D9%81%D9%8A 151.238.167.31 ( talk) 22:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Nawa as many others Towns is with Al Qaeda elements there sharing the control with others irregular armed groups.
Sources in Spanish =
Put the AQ presence there again -- Pototo1 ( talk) 19:55, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Al nusra are a larger force in Darra than some editors seem to think they are involved in all major fights but cannot have there own icon because they fight alongside moderate forces although it begs the question how moderate can you be working with AL QAEDA .
They are not fighting there, so no need for Nusra to appear there. Also, Assad is allied to Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization, and to Iran, whose official name is Islamic Republic of Iran. Funny how Assad can be allied with religious extremists and non-secular countries, but you guys act all moderates, blablabla about the rebels. They are not allied with Nusra because they like it, but because they need it.
Yes Hezbollah is a terrorist org. if your an Israeli and iran is called Islamic republic but not as extreme as some arab states unless you are Israeli
Lets try and get back to editing the map political debate could go on and on . Pyphon ( talk) 15:40, 27 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Al Qaeda is in Nawa and many sources (Anti Assad Sources) confirmed that.
End of the discussion -- Pototo1 ( talk) 10:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
These towns are here a very precise map. https://twitter.com/petolucem/status/534388773598285824 Lucem Maps are the better and most precise maps that know everyone who follow the conflict
And these pro insurgent map favouring a lot the insurgents showing these place under army control too. http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SW-Syria-10-nov-2014-total.jpg http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/desyracuse-syria-civil-war-syria-civil-war-8-novem_21226#13/32.7092/36.5884
DeSyracuse is not pro-insurgent nor pro-govt 188.141.199.13 ( talk) 14:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
The Entire As-Suwayda governorate is under Army control this is well know for all, so stop to deleted these places because both maps Lucem maps and pro insurgents coincided 100% -- Pototo1 ( talk) 10:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Why and with what sources has the air base changed to a green dot without any infromation while it still under al-nusra controll? do we have a vandal here or what ? Lindi29 ( talk) 15:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
SOHR says rebels try to advance Al khazanat camp. Al khazanat camp should red. http://www.syriahr.com/archives/38882 Hwinsp ( talk) 12:08, 25 November 2014 (UTC) Also in English - https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/616016338506708 If the base is not marked as gv-held,then it should be an red circle aroynd it or a contested icon.SOHR strongly pro-opp.Also, what aboyt Taybah ?
SOHR: Hama Province: Violent clashes took place yesterday night between the regime forces supported by NDF against al- Nusra Front, the rebel and Islamic battalions in the north of Morek town which is held by the regime forces, where al- Nusra and the battalions have attempted to advance towards al- Khazzanat Camp near the city of Khan Sheikhon in the southern countryside of Idlib, information reported casualties on both sides.
Change it to red
No ,arabic version says rebels tried to capture Al khazanat camp.But regime sources never say saa captured Al khazanat camp.Maybe sohr make a mistake.I think we should contested Hwinsp ( talk) 20:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC) Hwinsp ( talk) 20:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Ultra pro gov Syrian perspective say saa took khazanat plus sohr say rebels trying to retake .Red with green to north would make sense . Pyphon ( talk) 21:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Sorry sohr said jan so gray . Pyphon ( talk) 21:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Given the rather confusing status of the information, contested seems the better choice. In any case fightings are ongoing around it. 79.21.132.210 ( talk) 23:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
says that: شمال بلدة مورك، التي تسيطر عليها قوات النظام، في محاولة من الأخير، التقدم باتجاه معسكر الخزانات" "القريب من مدينة خان شيخون بريف إدلب الجنوبي which is translated to:"North of the town of Mork , controlled by regime forces , in an attempt by the latter, progress towards the near reservoirs camp of Khan Shaykhun the southern city of Brive Idlib". SO ONCE AND FOR ALL, Khazzanat camp stays rebel held, green with a half red circle to its south. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 00:26, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok then its gray with red circle until we get more sourses . Pyphon ( talk) 16:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
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I have nothing against this user User:Boredwhytekid, some of their edition are correct but be listen he come here for doing only editions for making progress against the Government.
For him and others users don't care if the red town goes to Yellow, Black, Gray or Green, he just want another color different than red on towns or at least to put non red circles in red places.
So be clear he is not a neutral editor -- Pototo1 ( talk) 19:03, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Anti Gov SOHR Nawa is controlled by Nusra. http://news.yahoo.com/syria-rebels-qaeda-capture-key-southern-town-monitor-193046956.html http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Nov-09/276995-syria-rebels-nusra-capture-key-southern-town-monitor.ashx
This situation happens with basically all towns near Israeli border -- Pototo1 ( talk) 23:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
LOL democracy ?
Are you stupid ?
Common this is wikipedia dunno come with bullshits here any sense person know they are a bunch of sectarians killers addict to captagon backed by Israel and paying by Saudi Arabia
Hardly heard something more stupid and false. I hope you know you are lying. More relevant, this site is for discussion for the situation on ground not political opinion or whisful thinking. Therefore you are off-topic, stop vandalizing this page. 79.6.145.184 ( talk) 16:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
You say democracy...I say Adolf Hitler lol . Then JAN must of signed up there a big part of the southern front haha Andre437 you see the world through western eyes because western governments don't bomb citys killing civilians do they or torture people do they . The so called moderates will sign anything and fight along side anyone as long as it helps them. Pyphon ( talk) 15:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Let's try to stay on topic and civil, please. The important note in the "southern front" is that JAN and related Islamist militias do not have the type of numbers/sway to consolidate administrative control the way they have in Idlib, and formerly did in Deir el Zor. True, the many of the moderate groups have shown that they will say/sign whatever it takes to gain advantage on the battlefield, but that does not necessarily mean that their stated democratic leanings are disingenuous - there's really no way to truly know their intentions/philosophy unless/until they are in a position to govern/demonstrate it. In any case, it does not appear that JAN is the predominant military force in the south, though its presence there should not be understated either. We'll see how it plays out... Boredwhytekid ( talk) 15:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed ! Bored the voice of reason ;) Pyphon ( talk) 16:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Pototo1, here you used an amateur pro-government map to remove lime concentric circles from around al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara, forcing Hanibal911 to waste his revert here to undo your vandalism. Then you added 5 red towns based on the same amateur pro-government map. Then you removed lime concentric circles around Nassib border crossing and Mahajjah, again based off of the same amateur pro-government map. You have been editing here long enough to be fully aware that you are breaching protocol by pro-gov't editing from pro-government sources. Your flagrant violation of this most basic editing rule has gotten to the point of vandalism - as there are not enough reverts in a day to undo the blatantly bias and rule-breaking edits you make. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 14:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Peto Lucem proved always their maps always are correct there is the map https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/499490650812080129 and is clearly visible in al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara the insurgent presence no exits
We put on map these circles during long time adding a insurgent presence who no exist in al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara and Assal a Ward just because the pro insurgent editor User:Boredwhytekid want to have that there - ok we let him have these greens circles but after many weeks he no is satisfied and he want continue having these insurgent presence who no exit there and accused me of vandalism
There are not evidences of insurgent presence BLOCKING al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara only a bit in (Many weeks ago) in Assal a Ward and the insurgents where eliminated ..... -- Pototo1 ( talk) 15:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes the Insurgent clashed near Lebanese border in the West with the Syrian Army MANY WEEKS AGO and minor clashed in a substantial distance AWAY from Assal a Ward the Town some insurgent die the rest dispersed the Insurgents NO BLOCKED the West of Assal a Ward they are not able to besiege this zone in other Side the Lebanese Army are striking them too /info/en/?search=Battle_of_Arsal
Basically in this area they are just small groups very weak armed gangs no able to attack or blocked Assal a Ward - This is not the Israeli Border when the Insurgents are very stronger able to captured places and made substantial advances, the Lebanese Army fight these groups - The Israeli Army not, the Israeli Army only attack the Syrian Army position that's one reason because the Insurgents are stronger near Israel.
BTW I'm not removing the green circle who Boredwhytekid put in Assal a Ward a circle who for me no have a reason for be there I'm still keeping this green circle!
I'm just removing the green circles in al-Jebbah and Ras al-Maara who no have any reason for be there since a lot time ago, Peto Lucem Maps are the most correct maps who you can found in this conflict their maps always are right he got a very high credibility.
PS for me the green circle in Assal al-Ward should be removed too -- Pototo1 ( talk) 16:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
And now, to defend your unjust edits, you have broken 1RR, by reverting Hannibal911's here, and reverting my edit here. I will not be drawn into an edit war, though you're wrecking the module. Hopefully an admin will provide recourse to undo the damage you've done. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 18:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I propose we ban Pototo1 from this page if he persists in this vandalism Jafar Saeed ( talk) 03:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. He had a track record of using Syrian Perspective maps, SANA and Al-Masdar for edits without even talking to other editors about it. Enough is enough.
More and more edits are being made to the map by editors without having other editors able to look at there source and discuss the edit . All perposed edits should be first put on this talk page before the map is changed this will allow all of us to understand the source and reason and should stop much of the reverts . thoughts anyone? Pyphon ( talk) 15:30, 20 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Are there any information about the withdrawing on other websites ?
Probability yes but it no have major impact in Aleppo at the military point because they are the so called "moderates" so they are no needing there anymore because are others irregular groups better armed like Chechens, Islamic Front, Al Qaeda, Muhaidin etc.. They are non Syrian they dont care do sectarians massacres, mass executions, tunnel bombing in civilians areas because they do that just for money and is who now needing the states who controlled them.
After many defeats these moderated are for the states who are against the Syrian State just wasted of money that's because the elements who controlled them letting the more violent groups controlled these areas, the States who caused that now just want prolonged the conflict making people killed and destruction, but a real plan for change the Regime in Aleppo area is no possible for them the whole population is against them -- Pototo1 ( talk) 18:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm guessing these article are mistaken, because they keep saying the FSA and it's leader Jamaal Maarouf fled, but Maarouf was just the leader of the SRF. Who knows though.. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 19:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Not mistaken the SRF was a reorganization of the FSA now the north is dominated by islamist/jihadi groups the only place where there is a strong moderate presence now is Daraa don't be surprised if Maarouf turns up there as there is nowhere else to go . Pyphon ( talk) 20:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Also if you scroll back to ADD COLOR FOR JAN I reported FSA /SRF were threatening to do this and I was acused of being on crack lol . Pyphon ( talk) 20:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
What road out of Aleppo do you think they are talking about? If its the castelo road (north circuit ) our Aleppo map is wrong its more than the 5klm . Pyphon ( talk) 15:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Two weeks ago, reliable source said that Syrian rebels were believed to be hold about 20 percent of Aleppo. And also said that Ankara could support a truce that might result in the withdrawal of most of the estimated 10,000 rebels from the city. In October, the army together with Hizbullah and other Iranian-backed Shi’ite militias captured what was termed a strategic area that produced weapons. World Tribune Hanibal911 ( talk) 20:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Violent clashes a erupting between the regime forces and Islamic battalions in the city of Talbise leading to kill a fighter at least. SOHR Hanibal911 ( talk) 10:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
So Talbiseh to contested!
Nevertheless for a middle to large city to become contested the fighting should repeated over some time or at least a small part of the city should occupied by the attacking site. 79.44.142.148 ( talk) 21:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
look what Hanibal saying!!!! and some of user calling him pro asad user....
Any source why these once saa controlled villages are changed to JAN . Pyphon ( talk) 18:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
According to RT arabic , Aqraba ,tat and jaarah under saa control and al nusra attack repelled. source: http://arabic.rt.com/features/765443-%D9%86%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A8/ Hwinsp ( talk) 19:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone agree for putting these villages to green instead of JAN controled ? SOHR reported that " Islamic battalions (Islamic front groups) and JAN did capture those areas". Now on every pro-rebel site it has been said that the main groups were Ahrar Al Sham and other smaller factions in the Islamic front, Al Nusra members only participated during the clashes and there's no logic for saying they control those 3 villages. Should I mark them as green ? DuckZz ( talk) 23:53, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Sources (rt and alahed) clearly say Aqraba ,tat and jaarah under saa control.And another video from yesterday shows saa inside Aqraba ,tat and jaarah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q95UwnbOWE&feature=youtu.be .Please, fix it Hwinsp ( talk) 08:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Since we have no clear confirmation (pro-opp saying Rebel held and pro-regime saying regime held) I vote let's turn them into CONTESTED ChrissCh94 ( talk) 13:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I'll change them to contested. DuckZz ( talk) 15:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Thank you. Pyphon ( talk) 20:29, 22 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.627635
According to Israeli Haaretz, only Baath and Khan Arnaba in Quneitra Province are under SAA control, and Baath sieged or contested...so, the other red spots in this province should turn green...or maybe, grey( Haaretz specifies that Nusra is the dominant force within the rebel in Quneitra). Fab8405 ( talk) 11:34, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Hanibal. Especially in the case of the cities of Turnajah and Hadar, which are majority Druze cities, which have more or less stood by the gov't in this conflict Carnegie Here's an Israeli source from this month confirming at least Hadar (and I suspect Turnajah as well) are still gov't held, or at least held by a local militia loyal to the gov't and hostile to the rebels. What we can take from haaretz is that al-Hamidiyah should probably be changed from contested to green - the rebels are launching attacks from there, and even being interviewed there apparently. It seems that - at this moment - green is on the offensive towards Madinet al-Baath, and al-Hamidiyah is at least for the time being securely rebel held. Boredwhytekid ( talk) 13:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Agree maybe saa presences to east of Hamidiyay until we get another source. Pyphon ( talk) 14:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
The Haaretz article gives prominence to al-Nusra involvement, saying that they and Islamic groups have most of the heavy weapons, but says they are fighting under the FSA banner with other rebels, all totaling about 2000 fighters, suggesting "hundreds" belong to al-Nusra. So it is just paranoia to take it as an al-Nusra operation. But it makes exciting headlines.
BTW "XJ-0461 v2", what is your source for "direct military support" to the rebels from Israel ? Note that other editors have agreed that the article is not completely reliable. It is presented as from a Reuters source (with the Haaretz headline and slant).
André437 (
talk) 21:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Israeli source are biased and unreliable. Furthermore most of infos are based on statements from rebels. Al-Hamidiyah was contested and no source support the change. Furthermore from [1] appears that NDF is present on the outskirts of Quneitra. Therefore also Quneitra green is wrong. Probably it should be contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 21:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
New report on Wadi Barad from al Mansar http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/hezbollah-saa-capture-wadi-barada/ Some area in the valley here are or were controlled by rebels but it is not reported on the map. It shoule be in the upper left corner of the Damascus map but it was wrongly cancelled in the past. Not sure what we can do with these info. Also the pro-opp twitter https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/536106844746686464 reports clashes in the area in Baseema here. Thas is confirmed by SOHR https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/614642778644064. It should go contested on the Damascus map, but the higher course of the valley should go green up to somewhere before Zabadani. Paolowalter ( talk) 13:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Suq Wadi Barada is fine under SAA control, but Kufayr al-Zayt, Ayn al-Fijah, Ashrafiyet are shown green. Given that we know that Baseema is contested, it is likely that Ashrafiyet (south of it) is unde SSA control. As conclusion: Kufayr al-Zayt, Dayr Migrin and Ayn al-Fijah shoud be green, Baseema contested. Between Kufayr al-Zayt and Suq Wadi Barada I can't say. Paolowalter ( talk) 18:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Now we have very strange situation in the Idlib province. Why the two rebel groups that are part of the Islamic Front are fighting against each other. Today was fierce battle between Ahrar al Sham (part of IF) and Jaish al-Islam (part of IF) in the Bab al-Hawa border crossing. here and later Jaish al-islam (part of IF) managed to take full control of Bab al-Hawa border crossing. here I have the feeling that in Idlib all fighting against all. Hanibal911 ( talk) 19:02, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
according to sohr ,rebels and nusra captured al-Zalaqiat checkpoint north of al zalaqiat village.(zalaqiat village still under saa control) source: https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/615083831933292 Location: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=tr&lat=35.283261&lon=36.600687&z=19&m=b Hwinsp ( talk) 09:08, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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ya que el pueblo ha sido recuperado por el ejercito Nass py ( talk) 21:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
According to document sy , saa captured zebdeen town https://www.facebook.com/documents.sy/posts/838561236206634 Hwinsp ( talk) 11:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
documents.sy is somehow pro-gov and provides unbiased and quite dry reports on the situation on the field. It has been accepted some time ago as reliable source. The same news is reported by PetoLucem on twitterhttps://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/536117826407628800. Paolowalter ( talk) 13:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
It does not specify what area of Zebdeen so contested should be the most appropriate. Daki122 ( talk) 15:31, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
present map of damascus is good. i heard something about capture of hannao in Aleppo by SAA?
Zabdin area should remain contested. Document.sy (pro-opposition) and Masdar (pro-government) said the town was captured in the morning, Masdar and Peto Lucem (pro-government) said in the afternoon the rebels recaptured parts of the town but were pushed back soon after and SOHR (pro-opposition but neutral in reporting) said the town was divided. In the evening SOHR said the Army was pushed back following an ambush. The battle is too fluid and info is contradictory, should stay contested for now. EkoGraf ( talk) 20:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Due to the escalating nature of this war and the expansion of dots, its harder and harder to read individual dots, so I propose the following:
1. Map resolution be increased to double its current size to better fit all the dots.
2. This map be merged with Iraqi Map as well, since these wars are not separate and IS has established itself as a state which is seeking to establish its borders so its pointless to have separate maps for Syria and Iraq and it will gie a more accurate picture of the conflict.
-- agreed. while people are at it, the png map could need an update, too. (
/info/en/?search=File:Syrian_civil_war.png#filehistory)
Attack by rebels on the pro-government enclave Zahraa http://syriahr.com/en/2014/11/jabhat-al-nusra-and-islamic-battalions-take-control-on-al-maamel-area-in-advances-of-their-massive-attack/. Unfortunately it is exploited by a well know vandal to turn the town contested, while the fighting are on the outskirts. Should I revert it or anybody else stop vandalism? Paolowalter ( talk) 18:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
the article clearly states that the rebels entered the town of Zahraa,and took the ma'ameel area inside of Zahraa,nothing change in Nubl,but in Zahraa it did change. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Paolowalter,you should better stop your personal attacks on me,okay. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Fighting is south and east of the town, not inside it. Its still besiege but not contested. EkoGraf ( talk) 20:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Some advance of SAA in Hasaka from https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/535534891803607042 and http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-captures-4-villages-near-ar-raqqa/ We should find those places and mark them red. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Anybody know where the village Makhroum (mentiond in this article here) is located on the map? If it isn´t there, can someone please place it out. :) Rhocagil ( talk) 19:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Al-Shaykh Miskin was changed green without discussion based on an occasional citation from a newspaper that was talking about something else [3]. It is reporting concerns of a citizen from a neighbouring town. The situation in the same city was discussed the same day in [4] showing in details how it was contested. No other source mentioned any change, nor SOHR nor twitter nor documents.sy. Therefore the city must remain contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 22:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
The town should stay contested until rebels capture brigade 82, which is part of the town itself. The only thing that boders me here is the fact that someone changed the brigade 82 icon for a circle, not logical, the brigade is part of the town and a checkpoint at the same time. I say we change back the icon ? DuckZz ( talk) 22:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
the Telegraph has confirmed that Sheikh Maskeen is rebel-held.PERIOD.and all of us know that the Telegraph is a very reliable source,also pro-regime sources confirmed that the rebels took Shiekh Maskeen,so the bottomline is other editors must stop reverting this edit. Alhanuty ( talk) 23:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Also Al-Masdar is a pro-regime source,so it can't be used for a regime advance,so stop whining Paolowalter. Alhanuty ( talk) 23:27, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Broken,Broken,Ahahah http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11247798/Syrian-Christians-Help-us-to-stay-stop-arming-terrorists.html. Alhanuty ( talk) 04:03, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
According to pro opp source , clashes still inside sheikh miskin,sheikh miskin should contested : https://www.facebook.com/LCCSy/photos/a.722911217736017.1073742271.217848338242310/1034937106533425/?type=1 Hwinsp ( talk) 09:21, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
the Telegraph is a very,very reliable source,this Vandalism,by Paolowalter must stop. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
clashes still inside sheikh miskin: https://www.facebook.com/documents.sy/posts/839542879441803
See [5] and a bunch of twitters from pro-opp side [6], [7] etc. I hope the issue is close for the time being. Once more Al-Masdar proved to be reliable. 192.135.12.144 ( talk) 07:54, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The Syrian troops with the support of NDF have captured the mills located on the road between the Hasakah-Tal Abyad in the village of Makhroum. Following the capture of the mills, the army took complete control of the Hasakah-Tal Abyad Road during the violent clashes against the Islamic State in the village of Makhroum; this resulted in the latter’s withdrawal to Jabal ‘Abdel-Aziz. IIT Turkey News Someone from the editors have more information about situation in this area. Hanibal911 ( talk) 21:36, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Sana it sounds like many of the villages in the area marked red and black (Makhroum, Al-Khama´il and more) should be changed to contested. Article is to be found here. I guess there i no problem changing red dots to contested when it´s a pro-SAA source right? Rhocagil ( talk) 22:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Document sy says saa captured several villages in hasakah area after IS withdrawal.source: https://www.facebook.com/documents.sy/posts/841304632598961 name of these villages: الخير والجمو Hwinsp ( talk) 12:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
SOHR confirmed. SAA captured 2 villages الخير والجمو But i dont know the location of these villages. http://www.syriahr.com/archives/39288 Hwinsp ( talk) 15:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
According to SOHR, http://www.syriahr.com/archives/39288, regime forces have advanced and captured the Bab-Al-Khayr and Al-Jamou area in the south-eastern countryside. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 15:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I found bab al khayr. http://wikimapia.org/#lang=tr&lat=36.532381&lon=40.407393&z=17&m=b&search=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D9%8A%D8%B1 Hwinsp ( talk) 16:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
SAA took Camp Khazanat and entered Khan Sheikhoun [www.almasdarnews.com/article/idlib-syrian-army-enters-khan-sheikhoun/]. That confirms various Twitter reports and (as far as concerns Camp Khazanat, a previous ambigous SOHR report https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/616016338506708. 79.41.9.162 ( talk) 17:10, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
The Syrian Army has entered Khan Sheikhoun for the 1st time in 6 months; SAA captured Camp Khazanat:
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/idlib-syrian-army-enters-khan-sheikhoun/
also change Khazanat to red and Half circle in south of khan Sheikoun please. Thanks.
If they really took Khazanat, that went totally dark by pro-rebel media, and they always report it. Wait for SOHR confirmation, as differently from Al-Masdar, they always report advances for the other side.
I know this might be far-fetched but I'm just gonna suggest it: why not add ONLY the main Highways (M5-M4-M20)? This will greatly increase the importance of some towns/cities/sites on this map helping readers further understand the strategies and tactics used by the different sides in this conflict. Opinions? ChrissCh94 ( talk) 15:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Pro government sources here here reported that the troops (11th Tank Division) recapture of the Camp Khazanat after weeks of heavy firefights with Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham north of the city of Morek and Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham retreat to north to the city of Khan Sheikhoun. And as a result of the capture of Camp Khazanat, the troops has entered southern Khan Sheikhoun. Al Masdar News But for now we cant on the basis of these data edit the map, we need confirmation these data from a neutral sources. Hanibal911 ( talk) 22:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)s
Al-Arabiyya (pro-rebel source) stating clashes IN Khan Shaykhun: http://www.alarabiya.net/ar/arab-and-world/syria/2014/11/27/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%85-%D9%82%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A5%D8%AF%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D9%84%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%A9.html
قالت الشبكة أيضاً إن اشتباكات عنيفة تدور بين الجيش الحر وقوات النظام في مدينة خان شيخون بريف إدلب، بعد محاولة قوات النظام اقتحام المدينة.
The Network also said that violent clashes taking place between the army and the forces of the free system in the city of Khan Shaykhun Brive Idlib , after regime forces try to storm the city. So Khan Shaykhun to contested but why has Khazzanat been turned to regime held? What are your sources? Please provide pro-rebel sources stating this. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 11:48, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm a native Arabic speaker but okay whatever I give up. Not even SANA nor Al-Mayadeen mentioned it. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 19:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Many reports that Hamaimat & Mustariha villages north of the Abu Duhur Airbase taken by SAA, e.g. https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/537939481274642432. 87.4.48.70 ( talk) 18:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
This report did not say (taken) it said (try to storm). Pyphon ( talk) 19:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
According to almasdar news SAA has captured and ended the 2 years siege and captured 2 other villages...while al-nusra captured 3 other villages. here Lindi29 ( talk) 21:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
The news of controlling these villages by SAA was confirmed by this source: http://www.almayadeen.net/Latest/a,D3pyT8S0qcHSQPaAoP7g/%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7--%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%AA%D9%8A--%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA--%D9%88-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AD%D8%A9--%D9%81%D9%8A 151.238.167.31 ( talk) 22:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Nawa as many others Towns is with Al Qaeda elements there sharing the control with others irregular armed groups.
Sources in Spanish =
Put the AQ presence there again -- Pototo1 ( talk) 19:55, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Al nusra are a larger force in Darra than some editors seem to think they are involved in all major fights but cannot have there own icon because they fight alongside moderate forces although it begs the question how moderate can you be working with AL QAEDA .
They are not fighting there, so no need for Nusra to appear there. Also, Assad is allied to Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization, and to Iran, whose official name is Islamic Republic of Iran. Funny how Assad can be allied with religious extremists and non-secular countries, but you guys act all moderates, blablabla about the rebels. They are not allied with Nusra because they like it, but because they need it.
Yes Hezbollah is a terrorist org. if your an Israeli and iran is called Islamic republic but not as extreme as some arab states unless you are Israeli
Lets try and get back to editing the map political debate could go on and on . Pyphon ( talk) 15:40, 27 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Al Qaeda is in Nawa and many sources (Anti Assad Sources) confirmed that.
End of the discussion -- Pototo1 ( talk) 10:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
These towns are here a very precise map. https://twitter.com/petolucem/status/534388773598285824 Lucem Maps are the better and most precise maps that know everyone who follow the conflict
And these pro insurgent map favouring a lot the insurgents showing these place under army control too. http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SW-Syria-10-nov-2014-total.jpg http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/desyracuse-syria-civil-war-syria-civil-war-8-novem_21226#13/32.7092/36.5884
DeSyracuse is not pro-insurgent nor pro-govt 188.141.199.13 ( talk) 14:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
The Entire As-Suwayda governorate is under Army control this is well know for all, so stop to deleted these places because both maps Lucem maps and pro insurgents coincided 100% -- Pototo1 ( talk) 10:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Why and with what sources has the air base changed to a green dot without any infromation while it still under al-nusra controll? do we have a vandal here or what ? Lindi29 ( talk) 15:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
SOHR says rebels try to advance Al khazanat camp. Al khazanat camp should red. http://www.syriahr.com/archives/38882 Hwinsp ( talk) 12:08, 25 November 2014 (UTC) Also in English - https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/616016338506708 If the base is not marked as gv-held,then it should be an red circle aroynd it or a contested icon.SOHR strongly pro-opp.Also, what aboyt Taybah ?
SOHR: Hama Province: Violent clashes took place yesterday night between the regime forces supported by NDF against al- Nusra Front, the rebel and Islamic battalions in the north of Morek town which is held by the regime forces, where al- Nusra and the battalions have attempted to advance towards al- Khazzanat Camp near the city of Khan Sheikhon in the southern countryside of Idlib, information reported casualties on both sides.
Change it to red
No ,arabic version says rebels tried to capture Al khazanat camp.But regime sources never say saa captured Al khazanat camp.Maybe sohr make a mistake.I think we should contested Hwinsp ( talk) 20:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC) Hwinsp ( talk) 20:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Ultra pro gov Syrian perspective say saa took khazanat plus sohr say rebels trying to retake .Red with green to north would make sense . Pyphon ( talk) 21:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Sorry sohr said jan so gray . Pyphon ( talk) 21:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon
Given the rather confusing status of the information, contested seems the better choice. In any case fightings are ongoing around it. 79.21.132.210 ( talk) 23:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
says that: شمال بلدة مورك، التي تسيطر عليها قوات النظام، في محاولة من الأخير، التقدم باتجاه معسكر الخزانات" "القريب من مدينة خان شيخون بريف إدلب الجنوبي which is translated to:"North of the town of Mork , controlled by regime forces , in an attempt by the latter, progress towards the near reservoirs camp of Khan Shaykhun the southern city of Brive Idlib". SO ONCE AND FOR ALL, Khazzanat camp stays rebel held, green with a half red circle to its south. ChrissCh94 ( talk) 00:26, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok then its gray with red circle until we get more sourses . Pyphon ( talk) 16:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)pyphon