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Suggestion for trivia or facts, Interstate 605 which runs from Duarte, CA to Seal Beach, CA has no Control city markers at all, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_605_%28California%29
...and the 3di. Some spurs of I-80 in the San Francisco Bay Area have control cities, including San Francisco (I-280 and I-580) San José (I-280, I-680, and I-880), Oakland (I-880), and some places beyond the Bay Area (I-680 Sacramento, I-580 Stockton and even Fresno and Los Angeles, and I-880 to Santa Cruz) even if the Interstates don't go to those locations. Of course the San Francisco Bay Area has only one 2id. These are relatively long 3di Interstates.
Look also at I-135, I-335, and I-470 in Kansas; I-376 and I-476 in Pennsylvania; I-476 in Massachusetts; I-295 in Virginia; and I-275 in Florida and Michigan. These highways are either connectors, bypasses, and/or through-city routes. Pbrower2a ( talk) 22:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, there's a third reason, sorta: Because one state is loathe to sign a relatively insignificant destination in another state when it could sign a much larger, more distant destination. I guess that technically falls under the second category, but it seems like it could be clarified a bit.
For example, on Interstate 80 in Cheyenne I remember seeing signs for Omaha instead of Sidney. This was in the 90s so may have changed,. (For a more recent version, see interstate-guide.com with photos of I-80 south of Salt Lake City with signs to Reno rather than Elko; likewise, Nevada fails to sign its own control city in Reno, instead returning the favor to "Salt Lake.") The point is, Wyoming wasn't resistant to signing Nebraska cities -- just small NE cities. Technically I guess "hesitancy to sign destinations in other states" means hesitancy to sign Sidney, which is in another state -- but so is Omaha, so what that statement is implying, that Wyoming would rather not sign a Nebraska destination, is untrue.
Get what I'm saying? We're not talking about CA's "other Desert Cities" instead of Phoenix here, although I grant that I may be drawing an inference that's not there. Cheers, PhilipR 05:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
While I'm not disputing the term - definitions belong at Wiktionary. Who has written significantly about the concept of Control cities? Providing images of highway signs is just original research to back up the fact that the concept exists, but to have an article about the concept it has to be shown that the term is an accepted general term. Ga rr ie 04:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the excision of most of the list of 'small cities' as control cities. I added material on I-77 that would be relevant (two cities named "Charleston" in opposite directions). I-40 eastbound in California is missed, and it could be explained as having Albuquerque, the first really-large city east of Barstow, itself not a large city, is roughly a third of the distance across the US. Needles is by default the control city for eastbound I-40 in most of eastern California.
Towns at intersections of major highways are some of the smaller cities mentioned. I-10 in New Orleans could lead to either Mobile, Alabama on I-10 or Meridian, Mississippi on I-59. Lake City, Florida and Albert Lea, Minnesota are obvious places at which many travelers make changes of directions. Mount Vernon, Illinois is a control city because it divides traffic headed east from St. Louis toward Louisville from traffic headed southeast toward Nashville. Van Horn, Texas is relevant because I-10 east of El Paso separates into highways that lead to several large cities (San Antonio, Austin, Fort Worth, and Dallas) that are themselves likely destinations for long-distance travelers and that anyone who goes to any of those places from El Paso goes through Van Horn.
Some of the smaller cities may be examples of state chauvinism. That said, is St. Cloud, Minnesota that much smaller than Fargo?
Start cutting. Explanations are better than lists even if they are original research. Pbrower2a ( talk) 07:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
IIRC, when I-5 was completed along the west side of the San Joaquin Valley in California, the northbound control city on signage in the Los Angeles area remained Bakersfield for several years, although SR99 continues to Bakersfield and I-5 does not. This was eventually corrected. LorenzoB 02:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Mexico has the irritating practice on the federal highways of posting only one control city, and that is the very next town in that direction, however small. They also fail to post cardinal directions. Frequent reference to a map is necessary. LorenzoB 02:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The discussion can't be complete with at least a "see also" to the article on the International E-road network. CapnZapp ( talk) 09:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Repeatedly in the non-US sections, the sections begin with "In NNN, the term control city isn't used... but the idea is the same".
This is a highly US-centric way to explain things.
Suggestions:
The above does not mean I am opposed to collecting Wikipedia's knowledge about this concept at this "Control City" page. Like in so many other places, using a local (US/UK/AUS etc) term is fine simply because it was first. But currently, the page focuses on the US way to do things, with only half-assed attempts at internationalization. Thus the template.
Cheers CapnZapp ( talk) 09:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Suggestion for trivia or facts, Interstate 605 which runs from Duarte, CA to Seal Beach, CA has no Control city markers at all, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_605_%28California%29
...and the 3di. Some spurs of I-80 in the San Francisco Bay Area have control cities, including San Francisco (I-280 and I-580) San José (I-280, I-680, and I-880), Oakland (I-880), and some places beyond the Bay Area (I-680 Sacramento, I-580 Stockton and even Fresno and Los Angeles, and I-880 to Santa Cruz) even if the Interstates don't go to those locations. Of course the San Francisco Bay Area has only one 2id. These are relatively long 3di Interstates.
Look also at I-135, I-335, and I-470 in Kansas; I-376 and I-476 in Pennsylvania; I-476 in Massachusetts; I-295 in Virginia; and I-275 in Florida and Michigan. These highways are either connectors, bypasses, and/or through-city routes. Pbrower2a ( talk) 22:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, there's a third reason, sorta: Because one state is loathe to sign a relatively insignificant destination in another state when it could sign a much larger, more distant destination. I guess that technically falls under the second category, but it seems like it could be clarified a bit.
For example, on Interstate 80 in Cheyenne I remember seeing signs for Omaha instead of Sidney. This was in the 90s so may have changed,. (For a more recent version, see interstate-guide.com with photos of I-80 south of Salt Lake City with signs to Reno rather than Elko; likewise, Nevada fails to sign its own control city in Reno, instead returning the favor to "Salt Lake.") The point is, Wyoming wasn't resistant to signing Nebraska cities -- just small NE cities. Technically I guess "hesitancy to sign destinations in other states" means hesitancy to sign Sidney, which is in another state -- but so is Omaha, so what that statement is implying, that Wyoming would rather not sign a Nebraska destination, is untrue.
Get what I'm saying? We're not talking about CA's "other Desert Cities" instead of Phoenix here, although I grant that I may be drawing an inference that's not there. Cheers, PhilipR 05:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
While I'm not disputing the term - definitions belong at Wiktionary. Who has written significantly about the concept of Control cities? Providing images of highway signs is just original research to back up the fact that the concept exists, but to have an article about the concept it has to be shown that the term is an accepted general term. Ga rr ie 04:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the excision of most of the list of 'small cities' as control cities. I added material on I-77 that would be relevant (two cities named "Charleston" in opposite directions). I-40 eastbound in California is missed, and it could be explained as having Albuquerque, the first really-large city east of Barstow, itself not a large city, is roughly a third of the distance across the US. Needles is by default the control city for eastbound I-40 in most of eastern California.
Towns at intersections of major highways are some of the smaller cities mentioned. I-10 in New Orleans could lead to either Mobile, Alabama on I-10 or Meridian, Mississippi on I-59. Lake City, Florida and Albert Lea, Minnesota are obvious places at which many travelers make changes of directions. Mount Vernon, Illinois is a control city because it divides traffic headed east from St. Louis toward Louisville from traffic headed southeast toward Nashville. Van Horn, Texas is relevant because I-10 east of El Paso separates into highways that lead to several large cities (San Antonio, Austin, Fort Worth, and Dallas) that are themselves likely destinations for long-distance travelers and that anyone who goes to any of those places from El Paso goes through Van Horn.
Some of the smaller cities may be examples of state chauvinism. That said, is St. Cloud, Minnesota that much smaller than Fargo?
Start cutting. Explanations are better than lists even if they are original research. Pbrower2a ( talk) 07:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
IIRC, when I-5 was completed along the west side of the San Joaquin Valley in California, the northbound control city on signage in the Los Angeles area remained Bakersfield for several years, although SR99 continues to Bakersfield and I-5 does not. This was eventually corrected. LorenzoB 02:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Mexico has the irritating practice on the federal highways of posting only one control city, and that is the very next town in that direction, however small. They also fail to post cardinal directions. Frequent reference to a map is necessary. LorenzoB 02:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The discussion can't be complete with at least a "see also" to the article on the International E-road network. CapnZapp ( talk) 09:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Repeatedly in the non-US sections, the sections begin with "In NNN, the term control city isn't used... but the idea is the same".
This is a highly US-centric way to explain things.
Suggestions:
The above does not mean I am opposed to collecting Wikipedia's knowledge about this concept at this "Control City" page. Like in so many other places, using a local (US/UK/AUS etc) term is fine simply because it was first. But currently, the page focuses on the US way to do things, with only half-assed attempts at internationalization. Thus the template.
Cheers CapnZapp ( talk) 09:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Please Note that if an edit filter is made, this page may have its protection removed due to very low amounts of vandalism and sock puppetry.