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In what way Guam, Saipan and Hawaii are part of North America? — Insta ntnood 09:41 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
US territories are listed under the US along with other US states on all lists of airline destinations. — Insta ntnood 11:17 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
That's the fifth edit of this page and the first edit to make the destinations a list. Many other airline destinations articles list US territories and Hawaii in the same manner. — Insta ntnood 14:02 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Over the discussion on your discussion page you said Aruba, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Netherlands Antilles, etc., aren't listed under their corresponding sovereign states because of geography. The list here already illustrates geography may not matter. — Insta ntnood 14:13 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
You said " One particular issue when I look at the way dependencies are presented, is whether the territories in question are geographically contigious or not. Aruba and the Netherlands are seperated by an ocean. Will it cause confusion should Aruba be listed in Europe? Similarly, shall we list the Isle of Man as seperate from the UK, when it is geographically contigious? If so, then how about Gibralta? That Hong Kong and Macau are geographically contigious with the rest of the PRC, and they also exists within the same regional influence is one factor for listing it together with the rest of China.--Huaiwei 12:46, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC) ",
and I replied " I see. In your opinion it is geography that make the differences. Should Guam and the Northern Marianas be listed under the United States (which in turn is under North America)? They are not "geographyically contiguous" with the lower 48. ". You did you give any further response after that. — Insta ntnood 14:57 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Is it necessary to work out how these dependent territories should be listed, either by continent, or by sovereign states? Apart from that, places like Hawaii, French Guiana and some Russian cities in the Far East like Vladivostok has also the problem. — Insta ntnood 16:38 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Geography was the reason you used to justify that Hong Kong and Aruba are not comparable. In what way listing Guam and the Northern Marianas under North America can be justified? You said some scenarios are hardly comparable, and have to access on a case by case basis. In other words there must be some reasons behind each case you have in your mind. — Insta ntnood 17:13 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Users from afar and have never been to Micronesia better understand the region before editing. Micronesia is a different world and there isn't a lot of info on the internet. Air Mike doesn't have its own website which doesn't help either. However this doesn't mean things aren't true. If you have a dispute, state so. Otherwise don't make this entry look unreliable just because you can't find anything from where you are. HkCaGu 18:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we use CMI's own President and HQ location info instead of COA's? HkCaGu 05:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Having read the definition of a focus city, I believe MNL fits the description since it has services to ROR, GUM and SPN. Only HNL has as many as 3 routes (Hopper, GUM, NGO). For ROR there're technically 3 (YAP, MNL, GUM) but it's simply a stopover, compared to MNL being a turnaround. And of course MNL is a "huge" market comparable to HNL. If there's no opposition in a week or so, I'll add MNL. HkCaGu 06:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
HNL: GUM-HNL (7x per week) NGO-HNL (7x per week) GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) GUM-KWA-HNL (1x per week) GUM-MAJ-HNL (1x per week) Total: 19 flights, 5 routes, 4 n/s destinations MNL: MNL-GUM (10x per week) MNL-SPN (2x per week) MNL-ROR-GUM (1x per week) MNL-ROR-YAP-GUM (1x per week) Total: 14 flights, 4 routes, 3 n/s destinations NGO: GUM-NGO (14x per week) NGO-HNL (7x per week) Total: 21 flights, 2 routes, 2 n/s destinations TKK, PNI: GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) GUM-TKK-PNI (1x per week) Total: 4 flights, 1-2 routes, 2 n/s destinations KSA: GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) Total: 3 flights, 1 route, 2 n/s destinations KWA, MAJ: GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) GUM-KWA-HNL or GUM-MAJ-HNL (1x per week) Total: 4 flights, 2 routes, 3 n/s destinations
I'm reverting this addition:
for the following reasons:
According to the Air Mike press release published on the PDN and the Tribune [1] on 2008-01-09, there will be 11 charters GUM-TPE over 4 weeks, 25 charters GUM-ICN over 7 weeks, and 5 charters SPN-ICN over 2 weeks between mid-January and mid-March (around the Chinese/Korean New Year). I am leaning toward not doing any edits, since unlike last summer's ICN flights which lasted for months, these winter flights don't last long enough to be called seasonal. Any other thinking? HkCaGu ( talk) 23:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I've just tagged the Continental Micronesia Flight 614 article for a potential merge into this article. The article there is very short and, other than being an incident where the plane crashed, doesn't seem to be notable (or long enough) to warrant its own article. Nor were there any notable individuals aboard, or significant policy changes made after the fact. Any objections to this merge? -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 00:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Comments here please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.216.93 ( talk) 05:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if this article could be of any relevant interest, concerning how the planned United-Continental merger will effect Continental Micronesia. Especially this last paragraph from the linked Air Transport World article:
"As part of the merger process, the Continental Micronesia operation will be combined with Continental's ahead of the UA-CO SOC transition. At present, Continental Micronesia has its own operating certificate."
URL: http://atwonline.com/international-aviation-regulation/news/united-transition-continental-operating-certificate-part-merg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.170.26 ( talk) 11:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Continued from the edit summary 1. While there are some cases where what is considered to be the "headquarters" is fuzzy, I don't think this is the case with Continental Micronesia. Everybody agrees that the HQ is in Guam, and AFAIK the terminal is the only place where corporate functions are carried out. 2. Even though CO Mike didn't always occupy the building, usually on company articles I start sections specifically about the head office and its history, especially if the head office doesn't have an article of its own (the old terminal doesn't have a standalone article). It is common to see head offices switch owners, and for companies to switch head offices. I believe that the history of the building (i.e. answering when and why it was originally built) should be documented, even if the company didn't originally have anything to do with the construction. For instance at BAA Limited I talk all about the head office, which for years was controlled by British Airways. (now Compass Centre has its own article because it was designed by a well known architectural firm) WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
By the way, I wonder where more information is about "Air Mike Express."
"World Airline Directory." Flight International. April 5-11, 1995, Page 44 talks about Air Mike Express, a joint venture between CO and Air Micronesia. It used Fokker F27s to serve smaller Mariana islands. WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I found a Guam Legislature report:
It says on Page 7 (32/54)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Why I reverted 99.141.8.156's edits:
1. Continental Micronesia (CMI) is a company which is the largest private employer on Guam. CMI ceased to exist as an airline but does not simultaneously cease to exist as a company. A company can remain after bankruptcy and ceasing operations.
2. CMI has not announced any structural changes that appear on the Guam press. If they were "operating" Guam-based flights, they still do, just with the parent's certificate as a step in the merger with UAL.
3. CMI presidents (who may also be COA VPs) come and go every few years. A source saying Duncan becoming something else doesn't prove CMI has no president. I've yet to see a CMI announcement.
4. When CMI (the company) becomes history, the article will reflect what it was for decades, i.e. CS/CMI/AIR MIKE, not the CO/COA/CONTINENTAL codes it used for but a few months. That's why the strikeout font is necessary. Same thing when NWA was merging--we mentioned both WorldPerks and SkyMiles as FFP, and SkyMiles eventually disappear on that article. HkCaGu ( talk) 11:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The problems with 99.141.5.165's revert of my edit:
1. If you think Continental Micronesia simply disappeared when the certificate disappeared, then for how long did Continental Micronesia operate using CO/COA/CONTINENTAL code? ZERO DAYS!!!
2. I changed the flight number sharing to past tense, since it is the same code now. Then why did you change it to present tense?
I maintain that CMI remains a company, one that operated an airline for decade. Either address this point, or it is vandalism to simply revert me. HkCaGu ( talk) 17:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I have found information about Air Micronesia's origins from the United Micronesia Development Company, which was partially owed by Continental. According to my source United Development owned 51% of Air Micronesia, Continental owns 29%, and Aloha Airlines 20%. (Continental owns 32% of United Development.) My information has the first flights by Continental to Micronesia on 1/16/1968. This information is from a book put out by Continental's airline pilots association. Since this is not verifiable (unless you've got this anniversary book that I do), I'm not sure that I can include it in the main article. Sprinkler21 ( talk) 04:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)Sprinkler21
The Continental Report from 2006 Q2 says that "Air Micronesia, Inc." is a separate subsidiary
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I found census maps of Tamuning and Barrigada (they are under "county equivalent" in the US Census Bureau, not under "place")
The old commuter terminal was on a "hook" of Tamuning next to Barrigada. So it is correct that the HQ was in Tamuning.
It turns out that as of 2020 the boundaries did change, and by then the area did shift to being in Barrigada ( See Tamuning map and See Barrigada map). But by then, Continental Micronesia folded as a company. WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
It seems as of the 2000 U.S. Census it was also in Tamuning, but as of the 1990 U.S. Census, it was in Barrigada.
In 2000 the bulk of the airport (non-Tamuning) was in the Tiyan CDP, see page 1 and see page 2. The Tamuning part was in the Tamuning CDP. In 1990, the bulk of the airport (not the CO Mike HQ part) was in Agana Station CDP. WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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In what way Guam, Saipan and Hawaii are part of North America? — Insta ntnood 09:41 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
US territories are listed under the US along with other US states on all lists of airline destinations. — Insta ntnood 11:17 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
That's the fifth edit of this page and the first edit to make the destinations a list. Many other airline destinations articles list US territories and Hawaii in the same manner. — Insta ntnood 14:02 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Over the discussion on your discussion page you said Aruba, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Netherlands Antilles, etc., aren't listed under their corresponding sovereign states because of geography. The list here already illustrates geography may not matter. — Insta ntnood 14:13 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
You said " One particular issue when I look at the way dependencies are presented, is whether the territories in question are geographically contigious or not. Aruba and the Netherlands are seperated by an ocean. Will it cause confusion should Aruba be listed in Europe? Similarly, shall we list the Isle of Man as seperate from the UK, when it is geographically contigious? If so, then how about Gibralta? That Hong Kong and Macau are geographically contigious with the rest of the PRC, and they also exists within the same regional influence is one factor for listing it together with the rest of China.--Huaiwei 12:46, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC) ",
and I replied " I see. In your opinion it is geography that make the differences. Should Guam and the Northern Marianas be listed under the United States (which in turn is under North America)? They are not "geographyically contiguous" with the lower 48. ". You did you give any further response after that. — Insta ntnood 14:57 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Is it necessary to work out how these dependent territories should be listed, either by continent, or by sovereign states? Apart from that, places like Hawaii, French Guiana and some Russian cities in the Far East like Vladivostok has also the problem. — Insta ntnood 16:38 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Geography was the reason you used to justify that Hong Kong and Aruba are not comparable. In what way listing Guam and the Northern Marianas under North America can be justified? You said some scenarios are hardly comparable, and have to access on a case by case basis. In other words there must be some reasons behind each case you have in your mind. — Insta ntnood 17:13 Mar 3 2005 (UTC)
Users from afar and have never been to Micronesia better understand the region before editing. Micronesia is a different world and there isn't a lot of info on the internet. Air Mike doesn't have its own website which doesn't help either. However this doesn't mean things aren't true. If you have a dispute, state so. Otherwise don't make this entry look unreliable just because you can't find anything from where you are. HkCaGu 18:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we use CMI's own President and HQ location info instead of COA's? HkCaGu 05:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Having read the definition of a focus city, I believe MNL fits the description since it has services to ROR, GUM and SPN. Only HNL has as many as 3 routes (Hopper, GUM, NGO). For ROR there're technically 3 (YAP, MNL, GUM) but it's simply a stopover, compared to MNL being a turnaround. And of course MNL is a "huge" market comparable to HNL. If there's no opposition in a week or so, I'll add MNL. HkCaGu 06:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
HNL: GUM-HNL (7x per week) NGO-HNL (7x per week) GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) GUM-KWA-HNL (1x per week) GUM-MAJ-HNL (1x per week) Total: 19 flights, 5 routes, 4 n/s destinations MNL: MNL-GUM (10x per week) MNL-SPN (2x per week) MNL-ROR-GUM (1x per week) MNL-ROR-YAP-GUM (1x per week) Total: 14 flights, 4 routes, 3 n/s destinations NGO: GUM-NGO (14x per week) NGO-HNL (7x per week) Total: 21 flights, 2 routes, 2 n/s destinations TKK, PNI: GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) GUM-TKK-PNI (1x per week) Total: 4 flights, 1-2 routes, 2 n/s destinations KSA: GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) Total: 3 flights, 1 route, 2 n/s destinations KWA, MAJ: GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL (3x per week) GUM-KWA-HNL or GUM-MAJ-HNL (1x per week) Total: 4 flights, 2 routes, 3 n/s destinations
I'm reverting this addition:
for the following reasons:
According to the Air Mike press release published on the PDN and the Tribune [1] on 2008-01-09, there will be 11 charters GUM-TPE over 4 weeks, 25 charters GUM-ICN over 7 weeks, and 5 charters SPN-ICN over 2 weeks between mid-January and mid-March (around the Chinese/Korean New Year). I am leaning toward not doing any edits, since unlike last summer's ICN flights which lasted for months, these winter flights don't last long enough to be called seasonal. Any other thinking? HkCaGu ( talk) 23:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I've just tagged the Continental Micronesia Flight 614 article for a potential merge into this article. The article there is very short and, other than being an incident where the plane crashed, doesn't seem to be notable (or long enough) to warrant its own article. Nor were there any notable individuals aboard, or significant policy changes made after the fact. Any objections to this merge? -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 00:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Comments here please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.216.93 ( talk) 05:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if this article could be of any relevant interest, concerning how the planned United-Continental merger will effect Continental Micronesia. Especially this last paragraph from the linked Air Transport World article:
"As part of the merger process, the Continental Micronesia operation will be combined with Continental's ahead of the UA-CO SOC transition. At present, Continental Micronesia has its own operating certificate."
URL: http://atwonline.com/international-aviation-regulation/news/united-transition-continental-operating-certificate-part-merg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.170.26 ( talk) 11:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Continued from the edit summary 1. While there are some cases where what is considered to be the "headquarters" is fuzzy, I don't think this is the case with Continental Micronesia. Everybody agrees that the HQ is in Guam, and AFAIK the terminal is the only place where corporate functions are carried out. 2. Even though CO Mike didn't always occupy the building, usually on company articles I start sections specifically about the head office and its history, especially if the head office doesn't have an article of its own (the old terminal doesn't have a standalone article). It is common to see head offices switch owners, and for companies to switch head offices. I believe that the history of the building (i.e. answering when and why it was originally built) should be documented, even if the company didn't originally have anything to do with the construction. For instance at BAA Limited I talk all about the head office, which for years was controlled by British Airways. (now Compass Centre has its own article because it was designed by a well known architectural firm) WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
By the way, I wonder where more information is about "Air Mike Express."
"World Airline Directory." Flight International. April 5-11, 1995, Page 44 talks about Air Mike Express, a joint venture between CO and Air Micronesia. It used Fokker F27s to serve smaller Mariana islands. WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I found a Guam Legislature report:
It says on Page 7 (32/54)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Why I reverted 99.141.8.156's edits:
1. Continental Micronesia (CMI) is a company which is the largest private employer on Guam. CMI ceased to exist as an airline but does not simultaneously cease to exist as a company. A company can remain after bankruptcy and ceasing operations.
2. CMI has not announced any structural changes that appear on the Guam press. If they were "operating" Guam-based flights, they still do, just with the parent's certificate as a step in the merger with UAL.
3. CMI presidents (who may also be COA VPs) come and go every few years. A source saying Duncan becoming something else doesn't prove CMI has no president. I've yet to see a CMI announcement.
4. When CMI (the company) becomes history, the article will reflect what it was for decades, i.e. CS/CMI/AIR MIKE, not the CO/COA/CONTINENTAL codes it used for but a few months. That's why the strikeout font is necessary. Same thing when NWA was merging--we mentioned both WorldPerks and SkyMiles as FFP, and SkyMiles eventually disappear on that article. HkCaGu ( talk) 11:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The problems with 99.141.5.165's revert of my edit:
1. If you think Continental Micronesia simply disappeared when the certificate disappeared, then for how long did Continental Micronesia operate using CO/COA/CONTINENTAL code? ZERO DAYS!!!
2. I changed the flight number sharing to past tense, since it is the same code now. Then why did you change it to present tense?
I maintain that CMI remains a company, one that operated an airline for decade. Either address this point, or it is vandalism to simply revert me. HkCaGu ( talk) 17:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I have found information about Air Micronesia's origins from the United Micronesia Development Company, which was partially owed by Continental. According to my source United Development owned 51% of Air Micronesia, Continental owns 29%, and Aloha Airlines 20%. (Continental owns 32% of United Development.) My information has the first flights by Continental to Micronesia on 1/16/1968. This information is from a book put out by Continental's airline pilots association. Since this is not verifiable (unless you've got this anniversary book that I do), I'm not sure that I can include it in the main article. Sprinkler21 ( talk) 04:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)Sprinkler21
The Continental Report from 2006 Q2 says that "Air Micronesia, Inc." is a separate subsidiary
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I found census maps of Tamuning and Barrigada (they are under "county equivalent" in the US Census Bureau, not under "place")
The old commuter terminal was on a "hook" of Tamuning next to Barrigada. So it is correct that the HQ was in Tamuning.
It turns out that as of 2020 the boundaries did change, and by then the area did shift to being in Barrigada ( See Tamuning map and See Barrigada map). But by then, Continental Micronesia folded as a company. WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
It seems as of the 2000 U.S. Census it was also in Tamuning, but as of the 1990 U.S. Census, it was in Barrigada.
In 2000 the bulk of the airport (non-Tamuning) was in the Tiyan CDP, see page 1 and see page 2. The Tamuning part was in the Tamuning CDP. In 1990, the bulk of the airport (not the CO Mike HQ part) was in Agana Station CDP. WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)