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Modified the "Sant Mat, Kabir Panth, and Radhasoami Guru Lineage Charts" link so it's not broken. It's to the same page only https instead of http and it no longer has the .html ending now.
I repaired some damage to the external inks area, as all contemporary teachers other than Darshan Singh's links had been deleted. Come on, folks. Let's follow the wikipedia guidelines as well as those of Sant Mat, for crying out loud.
FYI I also removed the Sant Mat "roots" links. IMHO these now properly belong in Jossi's main "Sant Mat" article.
Sevadar 23:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that an addition of jossi's (the link to the Media Seva site) was deleted without comment by 198.103.223.51 (apparently anonomous)on Jan 16 06. Pending an explanation, I have re-added it, as well as a more in depth Sadhu Ram Ji site. Any problems? Hope "anonomous" will discuss before deleteing this time. [User:Ahamkara] Feb 26 2006
I was about to slap a {{NPOV}} tag on this article, but for now and with the hope that it can indeed be cleaned up, I have added a cleanup tag. Many sections contains uneeded superlatives as well as laking proper attributions and citacions. Hope other editors can also join in and perform a thorough clean up of this article. --
ZappaZ
00:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I am starting work on this cleanup you mention, but I am new to wiki so if I screw things up please point that out... Thanks kindly
User:Sevadar Aug 18 2005.
Please take a look at the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view page for suggestions on how to maintain an unbiased, encyclopedic tone and content that is neither for nor against the topic or alternative perspectives on the topic. RDF 19:27, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I gave sevadar's edits a reverts because s/he removed a lot of interesting information. Feel free to expand but do not remove information please. Andries 19:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I am working on it. Thank-you for your patience. Sevadar 14:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Sam Spade's additions equated Sant Mat with Radasoami. This was not borne out by any references or arguments, so I removed that and integrated the rest of Spade's input into the appropriate areas like Geographical Reach for the location of RSSB. Spade also put a redirect from RSSB to Sant Mat, as if they were one and the same. This is an incorrect use of the redirect, as far as I know.
There are some things a person who is acquainted with RSSB can do here:
OR better yet, Make a proper RSSB article.
Sevadar 01:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Sevadar and others, there are a lot of unattributed opinions in the article presented as fact. These have to be attributed or removed. Also I think that using phrases between quotes without attributing them is bad style. Thanks. Andries 20:26, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
In reading this article I can see that there are several issues with factual accuracy, in particular with the lack of information about the distiction with Radha Soami and the different branches/splinter gorups. Seems that it is written from the perspectuive ofthe Radha Soami Satsang Beas, the splinter group founded by Baba Jaimal Singh and later by Kirpal Singh. Can anyone assist with this? Thanks. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 01:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
This article, as written, is focused on contemporary movements, teachers and protagonists that consider themselves to be part of the Sant Mat tradition. This is what I propose:
Unless there are any objections, I will do so in a week or so. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 02:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
These assertions are factually inaccurate and/or lack attribution:
The article also suffers from a confusing array of assertions made about Surat Shabd and its relation to Sant Mat. In addition, 99% of the material is based on the interpretation and/or application of cosmological/theological/social aspects as presented by sevaral teachers associated with the Radha Soami tradition, that is one of the many movements that share a common past with the Sant Mat tradition. As such, these could be merged into the Radha Soami article.
Other issues:
≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 17:12, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
This article needs to be re-assigned to the Radha Soami article, as it presents this movement's viewpoint of Sant Mat. I will proceed with merging these in a week. If you want to help cleaning this up or assisting with the merge, please say so. If you object, say so as well. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 06:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Sant Mat is defined/translated differently at the start of this piece to how it is defined/translated in the main Sant Mat article, and the second section here. It needs one definition, can someone take a look and decide on one common definition. Thanks StopItTidyUp 11:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've trimmed back all the links which are covered by internally linked wiki articles. There's still far too many with no obvious quality control mechanism. Yahoo groups in particular feature heavily which is not terribly encyclopedic. Can someone take a look at the quality of these and trim them back StopItTidyUp 12:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
the statments i removed are difficult and impossible to verify, plus they are highly inflammatory in character.For more reliable source, check this [1]. Also the sources quoted (REf. No.22), for statments removed by me are not verifiable. The online version (REF.NO.21) does not mention anything stated in what i removed. [2] Ajjay ( talk) 05:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
here are incompatible views regarding the lineage of one proposed Sant Mat founder,
Shiv Dayal Singh, because the tradition "went underground" for a time and was lost to history.
[1]
Ruhani Satsang, which was established by
Sant Kirpal Singh in 1949, set the start of the Sant Mat movement even earlier than Shiv Dayal's time, asserting the existence of an unbroken line of spiritual succession starting with the poet saint
Kabir, on to
Guru Nanak and the other nine masters of the
Sikh religion, and ultimately to Shiv Dayal Singh. Others deny this because the fate of the Tenth Sikh Guru,
Guru Gobind Singh, is not well understood by history. Some believed he died in the civil war raging at the time (which is the orthodox
Sikh viewpoint); Sant Kirpal Singh writes this was not the case, and that Gobind Singh initiated a person named Ratnager Rao, a member of Gobind Singh's household. Ratnager Rao initiated Tulsi Sahib, and Tulsi Sahib initiated Shiv Dayal Singh.
[2]
[3]
That was the material deleted. If you have better sources, please fix it.
≈ jossi ≈
(talk) 15:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
References
There is a quote from the Vedas in the article:
In the beginning was Prajapati (the Creator), With Him was the Vak (the Word), And the Vak (the Word) was verily the Supreme Brahman.
It is supposed to show the similarity between Gospel of John and the Vedas. But where is such quote found in the Vedas? I think it's just made up. I cannot find it anywhere. It should probably be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.119.170 ( talk) 13:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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Modified the "Sant Mat, Kabir Panth, and Radhasoami Guru Lineage Charts" link so it's not broken. It's to the same page only https instead of http and it no longer has the .html ending now.
I repaired some damage to the external inks area, as all contemporary teachers other than Darshan Singh's links had been deleted. Come on, folks. Let's follow the wikipedia guidelines as well as those of Sant Mat, for crying out loud.
FYI I also removed the Sant Mat "roots" links. IMHO these now properly belong in Jossi's main "Sant Mat" article.
Sevadar 23:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that an addition of jossi's (the link to the Media Seva site) was deleted without comment by 198.103.223.51 (apparently anonomous)on Jan 16 06. Pending an explanation, I have re-added it, as well as a more in depth Sadhu Ram Ji site. Any problems? Hope "anonomous" will discuss before deleteing this time. [User:Ahamkara] Feb 26 2006
I was about to slap a {{NPOV}} tag on this article, but for now and with the hope that it can indeed be cleaned up, I have added a cleanup tag. Many sections contains uneeded superlatives as well as laking proper attributions and citacions. Hope other editors can also join in and perform a thorough clean up of this article. --
ZappaZ
00:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I am starting work on this cleanup you mention, but I am new to wiki so if I screw things up please point that out... Thanks kindly
User:Sevadar Aug 18 2005.
Please take a look at the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view page for suggestions on how to maintain an unbiased, encyclopedic tone and content that is neither for nor against the topic or alternative perspectives on the topic. RDF 19:27, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I gave sevadar's edits a reverts because s/he removed a lot of interesting information. Feel free to expand but do not remove information please. Andries 19:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I am working on it. Thank-you for your patience. Sevadar 14:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Sam Spade's additions equated Sant Mat with Radasoami. This was not borne out by any references or arguments, so I removed that and integrated the rest of Spade's input into the appropriate areas like Geographical Reach for the location of RSSB. Spade also put a redirect from RSSB to Sant Mat, as if they were one and the same. This is an incorrect use of the redirect, as far as I know.
There are some things a person who is acquainted with RSSB can do here:
OR better yet, Make a proper RSSB article.
Sevadar 01:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Sevadar and others, there are a lot of unattributed opinions in the article presented as fact. These have to be attributed or removed. Also I think that using phrases between quotes without attributing them is bad style. Thanks. Andries 20:26, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
In reading this article I can see that there are several issues with factual accuracy, in particular with the lack of information about the distiction with Radha Soami and the different branches/splinter gorups. Seems that it is written from the perspectuive ofthe Radha Soami Satsang Beas, the splinter group founded by Baba Jaimal Singh and later by Kirpal Singh. Can anyone assist with this? Thanks. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 01:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
This article, as written, is focused on contemporary movements, teachers and protagonists that consider themselves to be part of the Sant Mat tradition. This is what I propose:
Unless there are any objections, I will do so in a week or so. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 02:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
These assertions are factually inaccurate and/or lack attribution:
The article also suffers from a confusing array of assertions made about Surat Shabd and its relation to Sant Mat. In addition, 99% of the material is based on the interpretation and/or application of cosmological/theological/social aspects as presented by sevaral teachers associated with the Radha Soami tradition, that is one of the many movements that share a common past with the Sant Mat tradition. As such, these could be merged into the Radha Soami article.
Other issues:
≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 17:12, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
This article needs to be re-assigned to the Radha Soami article, as it presents this movement's viewpoint of Sant Mat. I will proceed with merging these in a week. If you want to help cleaning this up or assisting with the merge, please say so. If you object, say so as well. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 06:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Sant Mat is defined/translated differently at the start of this piece to how it is defined/translated in the main Sant Mat article, and the second section here. It needs one definition, can someone take a look and decide on one common definition. Thanks StopItTidyUp 11:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've trimmed back all the links which are covered by internally linked wiki articles. There's still far too many with no obvious quality control mechanism. Yahoo groups in particular feature heavily which is not terribly encyclopedic. Can someone take a look at the quality of these and trim them back StopItTidyUp 12:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
the statments i removed are difficult and impossible to verify, plus they are highly inflammatory in character.For more reliable source, check this [1]. Also the sources quoted (REf. No.22), for statments removed by me are not verifiable. The online version (REF.NO.21) does not mention anything stated in what i removed. [2] Ajjay ( talk) 05:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
here are incompatible views regarding the lineage of one proposed Sant Mat founder,
Shiv Dayal Singh, because the tradition "went underground" for a time and was lost to history.
[1]
Ruhani Satsang, which was established by
Sant Kirpal Singh in 1949, set the start of the Sant Mat movement even earlier than Shiv Dayal's time, asserting the existence of an unbroken line of spiritual succession starting with the poet saint
Kabir, on to
Guru Nanak and the other nine masters of the
Sikh religion, and ultimately to Shiv Dayal Singh. Others deny this because the fate of the Tenth Sikh Guru,
Guru Gobind Singh, is not well understood by history. Some believed he died in the civil war raging at the time (which is the orthodox
Sikh viewpoint); Sant Kirpal Singh writes this was not the case, and that Gobind Singh initiated a person named Ratnager Rao, a member of Gobind Singh's household. Ratnager Rao initiated Tulsi Sahib, and Tulsi Sahib initiated Shiv Dayal Singh.
[2]
[3]
That was the material deleted. If you have better sources, please fix it.
≈ jossi ≈
(talk) 15:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
References
There is a quote from the Vedas in the article:
In the beginning was Prajapati (the Creator), With Him was the Vak (the Word), And the Vak (the Word) was verily the Supreme Brahman.
It is supposed to show the similarity between Gospel of John and the Vedas. But where is such quote found in the Vedas? I think it's just made up. I cannot find it anywhere. It should probably be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.119.170 ( talk) 13:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)