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Gujamin of the contactjuggling Yahoo discussion group proposed the idea of a contact juggling
convention and various locations were proposed, ultimately settling on
Florida as the location for the first convention in Sept. 2001. The first convention was funded and organized by a contact juggler named Ferret, and had an attendance of only about 35 people. Rich Shumaker helped Ferret with this convention and filmed the ill-fated competition. Future Contact Juggling conventions in 2002 and 2003 did not have competitions.
citation needed
Original Discussion on Yahoo by Gujiman -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contactjuggling/message/333
Chico Asks What is Going on -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contactjuggling/message/1368
Ferret takes over -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contactjuggling/message/1387?var=1&l=1
Surveys are handed out via the net - filled out - and we are all set
1 Problem - Ferret lives in FL not GA - So the venue is switched to FL
Link to the CJC2001 Convention Videos -
http://www.youtube.com/user/contactjugglingorg - This link should be added to the Links Section as it does not exist on any of the Links to Links Pages(DMOZ, ect.)
I have no idea how to create a reference link inside the page so I made it here (Help link this on the main page)
-- RichShumaker ( talk) 00:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
There seem to be too many external links in the article, especially going to one domain. (The blatant advertisement on this talk page above doesn't help either.) I suggest they should be trimmed back. — Wrathchild ( talk) 18:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
The links should be reinstated... after a lengthy discussion with several other CJers we have come to the conclusion that those links should be there, although the DMOZ does provide a wealth of links, the important ones (IE: the links that provide people with a way to extend their knowledge of Contact Juggling) should be there, I will be editing some of the links back in. Moka20 02:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC):
cannot be considered a sub-discipline of contact juggling. Any justification for this? Its related in that it deals with the manipulation of an object that doesn't leave the skin - but so is brushing one's teeth. I've moved the link under a 'See also' header. Laurence9993 16:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Contact juggling is a term created by
James Ernest and is the title of his book that was the first mass teaching / introduction to this art form.
Michael Moschen does not 'like', appreciate, recognize this term as seen by his actions of almost boycotting the IJA festival when 'Contact Juggling' was reviewed by Juggle Magazine. He also spoke out against the book during his speech to the convention goers.(transcripts and video tapes are not publically available, the IJA records all of their events so they should still have this footage)
Exerpt from the Foreward 'Contact Juggling' by James Ernest - I am indebted to the
Society for Creative Anachronism for providing me with an audience whenever I've wanted to perform, and to Michael Moschen, whose contirbutions to the film Labyrinth first inspired me to learn contact juggling.
I am including this information because contact juggling was a teaching method started by James Ernest to allow anyone that wanted to learn what he called contact juggling. He gave this lesson thousands of times teaching people all over the United States of America. He credits as mentioned in the previous paragraph
Labyrinth (film) for inspiring him to learn. Since Mr. Moschen never showed James directly James created his own methodology to teach. As students learned they created new and unique styles and moves unattributable to Mr. Moschen.
Don't get me wrong without Michael Moschen I do not believe contact juggling would exist in it's modern form. He has brought together several non related disciplines under one roof. With a simple rule 'No Throws' he led himself(Mr. Moschen) on a journey. Just remember that 4 ball pyramids, isolations, body rolling have all existed and were being done before Michael Moschen was on this planet. Michael Moschen's genius lay in his ability to take existing objects and styles and fuse them into a modern form of dance and art.
Where did it exist before Moschen? - Camelbacking on the Louisana Bayou,
Harlem Globetrotters Raz Ma Taz Show,
Baoding Balls, Tai Chi with Ball, also with the amazing jugglers that came before Michael Moschen such as
Francis Brunn and
Paul Cinquevalli. Mr. Moschen and people that support his argument don't want anyone doing his routine, tricks, or use his prop, lighting or costuming. This is a broad concept and would be very unrealistic and counter productive to the art of juggling. I equate this with a painter saying you can't use my brush, my paint, or my techniques. Where would art be as a whole if we could not emulate, mutate, expand and grow. The main idea is to create new and different ways to move and dance with a ball or balls, or for that matter any prop. Copying anyones entire routine is paramount to theft as a routine can clearly be
copyrighted --
RichShumaker (
talk)
00:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Drew: History would benefit from history of CJ before 1980s. There is reference-able history in the book "Multiball Contact". But should at least mention, Francis Brunn, Tony Duncan (who was doing half-butterfles before Moschen) and perhaps Chinlone.
I have changed much of the intro and history of this page. The intro section gives a brief overview of the three main schools of thought in contact juggling (Isolationism, Palmspinning, and Bodyrolling), and I changed much of the first paragraph of the history section to explain terminology and influence of MM. I also removed the phrase "father of contact juggling" because, I have never heard it used, if anyone has a reference for it, I will gladly eat my edit. Finally, I changed the main picture to reflect the more graceful nature of contact juggling, this is of course until someone can find a more suitable image.
Some ideas for this article:
That's all I can think of for now. As more ideas come, I'll drop them here.
Mathteacher1729 03:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
What is the "ill fated competition"? gujamin 19:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Rich Shumaker Reply - Competition in an Art Form can stagnate and destroy it. Ask the European's Marco Andrew and Daniel about our 3AM discussion on this subject. Then Ask Ferret about the reprecussions of the Post Competition fall out. The competition seemed like a great idea until you take into account what really happens when people compete and don't cooperate. It can damage or ruin the art form. RichShumaker ( talk) 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Since 1987 it has been Contact Juggling - Why is it now in 2007 being decided that the book is called Contact Juggling and the art form is Contact juggling by someone who does not do it and has not been involved. Contact Juggling goes by several other names such as Sphereplay(tm), Dynamic Object Manipulation, Orb Manipulation, and tons of other names. Rich Shumaker - RichShumaker ( talk) 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Contact Juggling is a THING - Done by people in places but it is a SPECIFIC thing like a Hummel or a Rich Shumaker RichShumaker ( talk) 00:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Sphereplay(tm) is a trademark of Try Out Toys Entertainment - http://www.tryouttoys.com
Ray Bowers Site - http://www.bowers.com/contact_juggling/index.html -- RichShumaker ( talk) 03:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Rich Shumaker's first lesson from
James Ernest
http://www.contactjuggling.com/lessonone.php
--
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Yahoo Forum - Archive available at
http://www.contactjuggling.org
The mention to Yahoo is made on the wiki page I just wanted to note that you can get the archive of those discussions somewhere--
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
These listings are in Cronological Order - Release dates needed
Book - Contact Juggling by James Ernest 2nd Edition - 1991 - Currently out of press in the US - available in UK(company needed)
TV - PBS Great Performance Series - In Motion with Moschen - First Aired 1991
Video - The Art of Contact Juggling by David Pennington
Video - Contact Juggling by Greg Maldonado and Owen Edson - Released 2001
Video - Sphereplay(tm) Art of the Sphere by Try Out Toys Entertainment - Released 2001
Video - Contact Juggling Part 2 by Greg Maldonado and Owen Edson
Video - Playing in the Multisphere - Try Out Toys Entertainment and Bob Hughes Company - Filmed Jan. 2004 Released 2006
Video - The Visual Encyclopedia of Contact Juggling Vol. 1 to 4 by Matt Olsen
Book - Multiball Contact by Drew Batchelor - published 2007
Not a complete list but a list of what I have come across so far --
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
CJC 01-02-03 Location - Florida - More Details Needed
BCJC 03 - Location - Scotland
There have also been Sphereplay(tm) Days and Spherecamps --
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
As so many people have put it so eliquently to me(Rich Shumaker) over the years 'Contact Juggling is not Juggling'
'Contact Juggling' is a term coined by James Ernest in his book to describe a style of juggling in which the prop stay in contact with the body and is not thrown. In his book balls are the specific prop most used but it is not limited by the book to just balls. In fact a section of the book deals with extending your arms with props to roll a ball on.
Jugglers have been 'annoyed' by this art form for many years. Leading contact juggling to be the #1 MAQ(Most Annoying Questions) for Jugglers
http://www.juggling.org/~conway/juggler/MAQ.html
While this is a humourous perspective this humor underlies the general sentiment in the United States towards contact jugglers for the 1990's.
More research into the archives of the rec.juggling list are needed for the 1996 discussions on contact juggling where the concept of 'unique' tricks 'unique' props and derivative works are discussed at length.
The general overall idea is that using the same props and moves in new and inventive ways is good. Copying or almost copying someones routine is NOT ALRIGHT.--
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Why does Fushigi ball redirect here when the phrase is not mentioned on the page? Shouldn't we have a reason why a phrase redirects? Something like "Among many props used in contact juggling, the crystal orb, often of lucite, glass, or other plastics, is the most popular. Some refer to the orb as a Fushigi ball"... or whatever?
This could mention also the Sphereplay thing referred to above, which appears to have been removed from the page at my last reading.--
Mwexler (
talk)
17:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
This link http://vimeo.com/30212822, video doesn't play, guess it's been taken off. See section Contact Juggling community, ABOUT:MANIPULATION carries the link. Not sure what to do with it. Manytexts ( talk) 08:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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Gujamin of the contactjuggling Yahoo discussion group proposed the idea of a contact juggling
convention and various locations were proposed, ultimately settling on
Florida as the location for the first convention in Sept. 2001. The first convention was funded and organized by a contact juggler named Ferret, and had an attendance of only about 35 people. Rich Shumaker helped Ferret with this convention and filmed the ill-fated competition. Future Contact Juggling conventions in 2002 and 2003 did not have competitions.
citation needed
Original Discussion on Yahoo by Gujiman -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contactjuggling/message/333
Chico Asks What is Going on -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contactjuggling/message/1368
Ferret takes over -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contactjuggling/message/1387?var=1&l=1
Surveys are handed out via the net - filled out - and we are all set
1 Problem - Ferret lives in FL not GA - So the venue is switched to FL
Link to the CJC2001 Convention Videos -
http://www.youtube.com/user/contactjugglingorg - This link should be added to the Links Section as it does not exist on any of the Links to Links Pages(DMOZ, ect.)
I have no idea how to create a reference link inside the page so I made it here (Help link this on the main page)
-- RichShumaker ( talk) 00:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
There seem to be too many external links in the article, especially going to one domain. (The blatant advertisement on this talk page above doesn't help either.) I suggest they should be trimmed back. — Wrathchild ( talk) 18:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
The links should be reinstated... after a lengthy discussion with several other CJers we have come to the conclusion that those links should be there, although the DMOZ does provide a wealth of links, the important ones (IE: the links that provide people with a way to extend their knowledge of Contact Juggling) should be there, I will be editing some of the links back in. Moka20 02:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC):
cannot be considered a sub-discipline of contact juggling. Any justification for this? Its related in that it deals with the manipulation of an object that doesn't leave the skin - but so is brushing one's teeth. I've moved the link under a 'See also' header. Laurence9993 16:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Contact juggling is a term created by
James Ernest and is the title of his book that was the first mass teaching / introduction to this art form.
Michael Moschen does not 'like', appreciate, recognize this term as seen by his actions of almost boycotting the IJA festival when 'Contact Juggling' was reviewed by Juggle Magazine. He also spoke out against the book during his speech to the convention goers.(transcripts and video tapes are not publically available, the IJA records all of their events so they should still have this footage)
Exerpt from the Foreward 'Contact Juggling' by James Ernest - I am indebted to the
Society for Creative Anachronism for providing me with an audience whenever I've wanted to perform, and to Michael Moschen, whose contirbutions to the film Labyrinth first inspired me to learn contact juggling.
I am including this information because contact juggling was a teaching method started by James Ernest to allow anyone that wanted to learn what he called contact juggling. He gave this lesson thousands of times teaching people all over the United States of America. He credits as mentioned in the previous paragraph
Labyrinth (film) for inspiring him to learn. Since Mr. Moschen never showed James directly James created his own methodology to teach. As students learned they created new and unique styles and moves unattributable to Mr. Moschen.
Don't get me wrong without Michael Moschen I do not believe contact juggling would exist in it's modern form. He has brought together several non related disciplines under one roof. With a simple rule 'No Throws' he led himself(Mr. Moschen) on a journey. Just remember that 4 ball pyramids, isolations, body rolling have all existed and were being done before Michael Moschen was on this planet. Michael Moschen's genius lay in his ability to take existing objects and styles and fuse them into a modern form of dance and art.
Where did it exist before Moschen? - Camelbacking on the Louisana Bayou,
Harlem Globetrotters Raz Ma Taz Show,
Baoding Balls, Tai Chi with Ball, also with the amazing jugglers that came before Michael Moschen such as
Francis Brunn and
Paul Cinquevalli. Mr. Moschen and people that support his argument don't want anyone doing his routine, tricks, or use his prop, lighting or costuming. This is a broad concept and would be very unrealistic and counter productive to the art of juggling. I equate this with a painter saying you can't use my brush, my paint, or my techniques. Where would art be as a whole if we could not emulate, mutate, expand and grow. The main idea is to create new and different ways to move and dance with a ball or balls, or for that matter any prop. Copying anyones entire routine is paramount to theft as a routine can clearly be
copyrighted --
RichShumaker (
talk)
00:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Drew: History would benefit from history of CJ before 1980s. There is reference-able history in the book "Multiball Contact". But should at least mention, Francis Brunn, Tony Duncan (who was doing half-butterfles before Moschen) and perhaps Chinlone.
I have changed much of the intro and history of this page. The intro section gives a brief overview of the three main schools of thought in contact juggling (Isolationism, Palmspinning, and Bodyrolling), and I changed much of the first paragraph of the history section to explain terminology and influence of MM. I also removed the phrase "father of contact juggling" because, I have never heard it used, if anyone has a reference for it, I will gladly eat my edit. Finally, I changed the main picture to reflect the more graceful nature of contact juggling, this is of course until someone can find a more suitable image.
Some ideas for this article:
That's all I can think of for now. As more ideas come, I'll drop them here.
Mathteacher1729 03:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
What is the "ill fated competition"? gujamin 19:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Rich Shumaker Reply - Competition in an Art Form can stagnate and destroy it. Ask the European's Marco Andrew and Daniel about our 3AM discussion on this subject. Then Ask Ferret about the reprecussions of the Post Competition fall out. The competition seemed like a great idea until you take into account what really happens when people compete and don't cooperate. It can damage or ruin the art form. RichShumaker ( talk) 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Since 1987 it has been Contact Juggling - Why is it now in 2007 being decided that the book is called Contact Juggling and the art form is Contact juggling by someone who does not do it and has not been involved. Contact Juggling goes by several other names such as Sphereplay(tm), Dynamic Object Manipulation, Orb Manipulation, and tons of other names. Rich Shumaker - RichShumaker ( talk) 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Contact Juggling is a THING - Done by people in places but it is a SPECIFIC thing like a Hummel or a Rich Shumaker RichShumaker ( talk) 00:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Sphereplay(tm) is a trademark of Try Out Toys Entertainment - http://www.tryouttoys.com
Ray Bowers Site - http://www.bowers.com/contact_juggling/index.html -- RichShumaker ( talk) 03:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Rich Shumaker's first lesson from
James Ernest
http://www.contactjuggling.com/lessonone.php
--
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Yahoo Forum - Archive available at
http://www.contactjuggling.org
The mention to Yahoo is made on the wiki page I just wanted to note that you can get the archive of those discussions somewhere--
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
These listings are in Cronological Order - Release dates needed
Book - Contact Juggling by James Ernest 2nd Edition - 1991 - Currently out of press in the US - available in UK(company needed)
TV - PBS Great Performance Series - In Motion with Moschen - First Aired 1991
Video - The Art of Contact Juggling by David Pennington
Video - Contact Juggling by Greg Maldonado and Owen Edson - Released 2001
Video - Sphereplay(tm) Art of the Sphere by Try Out Toys Entertainment - Released 2001
Video - Contact Juggling Part 2 by Greg Maldonado and Owen Edson
Video - Playing in the Multisphere - Try Out Toys Entertainment and Bob Hughes Company - Filmed Jan. 2004 Released 2006
Video - The Visual Encyclopedia of Contact Juggling Vol. 1 to 4 by Matt Olsen
Book - Multiball Contact by Drew Batchelor - published 2007
Not a complete list but a list of what I have come across so far --
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
CJC 01-02-03 Location - Florida - More Details Needed
BCJC 03 - Location - Scotland
There have also been Sphereplay(tm) Days and Spherecamps --
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
As so many people have put it so eliquently to me(Rich Shumaker) over the years 'Contact Juggling is not Juggling'
'Contact Juggling' is a term coined by James Ernest in his book to describe a style of juggling in which the prop stay in contact with the body and is not thrown. In his book balls are the specific prop most used but it is not limited by the book to just balls. In fact a section of the book deals with extending your arms with props to roll a ball on.
Jugglers have been 'annoyed' by this art form for many years. Leading contact juggling to be the #1 MAQ(Most Annoying Questions) for Jugglers
http://www.juggling.org/~conway/juggler/MAQ.html
While this is a humourous perspective this humor underlies the general sentiment in the United States towards contact jugglers for the 1990's.
More research into the archives of the rec.juggling list are needed for the 1996 discussions on contact juggling where the concept of 'unique' tricks 'unique' props and derivative works are discussed at length.
The general overall idea is that using the same props and moves in new and inventive ways is good. Copying or almost copying someones routine is NOT ALRIGHT.--
RichShumaker (
talk)
03:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Why does Fushigi ball redirect here when the phrase is not mentioned on the page? Shouldn't we have a reason why a phrase redirects? Something like "Among many props used in contact juggling, the crystal orb, often of lucite, glass, or other plastics, is the most popular. Some refer to the orb as a Fushigi ball"... or whatever?
This could mention also the Sphereplay thing referred to above, which appears to have been removed from the page at my last reading.--
Mwexler (
talk)
17:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
This link http://vimeo.com/30212822, video doesn't play, guess it's been taken off. See section Contact Juggling community, ABOUT:MANIPULATION carries the link. Not sure what to do with it. Manytexts ( talk) 08:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)