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Full text of the document should be relegated to wikisource (assuming a copyfree or copyleft translation can be obtained; this article should summarize the contents and related controversies. -- Beland 02:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I am trying to start the summaries much as you would summarize the U.S. Constitution. The entire Preable is informative, however. The AP translation is copyrighted but taking only one portion of the translation can be considered fair use with proper attribution. (Any Arabic-speakers out there want to start from scratch?)
I'm meaning to get to the "related controversies" as well. Sunnis have objected on several grounds and we should start a section to point out the related articles:
Does anyone have links to news article listing their objections? - Tεx τ urε 17:10, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
when Afghanistan went through this process nearly two years ago, I put together the 2003 Loya jirga article. Maybe reading it can give you all further ideas on forming and shaping this article. Kingturtle 05:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Seems like this is not a good title in WP guidelines, as it is bound to become outdated or inaccurate. 69.86.80.141 18:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
This article is pretty useless unless it at least addresses the political factors shaping the proposed constitution. Here's an article that spells out some issues: http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html - while the article is extremely POV, it is well researched and the points it raises should be addressed. 63.201.230.130 22:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Part of this needs to be moved to Wikisource. – Zntrip 22:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I would argue that all these terms are "loaded" and "value-laden" and that they all also, at the same time, represent facts. My proposals for "invasion, liberation, and occupation" or "liberation and occupation" instead of the phrases "invasion and occupation" or simply "liberation" in the intro sentence, was based on this perspective - aiming for a more balanced intro paragraph. And btw, I was actually the one who added "occupation" to the phrasing as well. Bwithh 03:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Lets just Xerox a copy of ours. Why the fuss?
I think this statement is somewhat misleading.
In the end, only three of the 15 Sunni members of the drafting committee attended the signing ceremony, and none of them signed it. Sunni leaders were generally urging the electorate to reject the constitution in the 15 October referendum, but were overwhelmingly rejected by the voters.
Someone reading over the sentence quickly might surmise the referendum was rejected overwhelmingly. I suggest this instead.
In the end, only three of the 15 Sunni members of the drafting committee attended the signing ceremony, and none of them signed it. Sunni leaders were generally urging the electorate to reject the constitution in the 15 October referendum, but the referendum was overwhelmingly accepted.
Or am I just picking a nit?
These two documents will be posted on Wikisource, and subsequently the links for the Wikipedia page edited. I will make sure that the sources are attributed, though the source of the English translation is elusive for the moment. I had thought that the best copies of these needed to be available ASAP, and if the source for the translation is not found in seven days it will be removed. The unofficial English has been supposedly agreed upon by the UN, US, UK, and NDI (National Democratic Institute).
Any sources of attribution for this translation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azadkariem ( talk • contribs) 14:10, 21 June 2006
It seems that much of this should be wikified and transwikied over to Wikisource. -- Emesee 03:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a standard in Wiki for translating "Allah" instead of "God" when it is in Arabic? Both mean the same thing, but it seems like a 'bias' to me 74.78.110.92 ( talk) 06:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
The entire text of the 1968 constitution, and not a single link to the source, plus the text seems to be unavailable anywhere but here. What the hell, over? 147.9.177.126 ( talk) 20:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
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Full text of the document should be relegated to wikisource (assuming a copyfree or copyleft translation can be obtained; this article should summarize the contents and related controversies. -- Beland 02:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I am trying to start the summaries much as you would summarize the U.S. Constitution. The entire Preable is informative, however. The AP translation is copyrighted but taking only one portion of the translation can be considered fair use with proper attribution. (Any Arabic-speakers out there want to start from scratch?)
I'm meaning to get to the "related controversies" as well. Sunnis have objected on several grounds and we should start a section to point out the related articles:
Does anyone have links to news article listing their objections? - Tεx τ urε 17:10, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
when Afghanistan went through this process nearly two years ago, I put together the 2003 Loya jirga article. Maybe reading it can give you all further ideas on forming and shaping this article. Kingturtle 05:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Seems like this is not a good title in WP guidelines, as it is bound to become outdated or inaccurate. 69.86.80.141 18:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
This article is pretty useless unless it at least addresses the political factors shaping the proposed constitution. Here's an article that spells out some issues: http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html - while the article is extremely POV, it is well researched and the points it raises should be addressed. 63.201.230.130 22:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Part of this needs to be moved to Wikisource. – Zntrip 22:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I would argue that all these terms are "loaded" and "value-laden" and that they all also, at the same time, represent facts. My proposals for "invasion, liberation, and occupation" or "liberation and occupation" instead of the phrases "invasion and occupation" or simply "liberation" in the intro sentence, was based on this perspective - aiming for a more balanced intro paragraph. And btw, I was actually the one who added "occupation" to the phrasing as well. Bwithh 03:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Lets just Xerox a copy of ours. Why the fuss?
I think this statement is somewhat misleading.
In the end, only three of the 15 Sunni members of the drafting committee attended the signing ceremony, and none of them signed it. Sunni leaders were generally urging the electorate to reject the constitution in the 15 October referendum, but were overwhelmingly rejected by the voters.
Someone reading over the sentence quickly might surmise the referendum was rejected overwhelmingly. I suggest this instead.
In the end, only three of the 15 Sunni members of the drafting committee attended the signing ceremony, and none of them signed it. Sunni leaders were generally urging the electorate to reject the constitution in the 15 October referendum, but the referendum was overwhelmingly accepted.
Or am I just picking a nit?
These two documents will be posted on Wikisource, and subsequently the links for the Wikipedia page edited. I will make sure that the sources are attributed, though the source of the English translation is elusive for the moment. I had thought that the best copies of these needed to be available ASAP, and if the source for the translation is not found in seven days it will be removed. The unofficial English has been supposedly agreed upon by the UN, US, UK, and NDI (National Democratic Institute).
Any sources of attribution for this translation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azadkariem ( talk • contribs) 14:10, 21 June 2006
It seems that much of this should be wikified and transwikied over to Wikisource. -- Emesee 03:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a standard in Wiki for translating "Allah" instead of "God" when it is in Arabic? Both mean the same thing, but it seems like a 'bias' to me 74.78.110.92 ( talk) 06:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
The entire text of the 1968 constitution, and not a single link to the source, plus the text seems to be unavailable anywhere but here. What the hell, over? 147.9.177.126 ( talk) 20:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
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