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http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page84.asp, consulted January 1, 2003
Tbarron 01:39 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)
I've taken the date of Constantine's birth from a pretty dodgy source -- [1] -- and I don't know where its author got the info from as he doesn't give his sources. Just warning you. -- Derek Ross 01:59 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
They'll have had their tea! Heh, heh, very good! -- Derek Ross | Talk 03:26, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Several "king of scots" articles were nominated at the same time recently. They are all good quality articles, and meet the basic qualifications for GA status. However, part of the 'stability' requirement, in my mind, is some consistency between sets of articles. I like Malcolm III of Scotland the best, in structure and use of the Monarch infobox. If editors wouldn't mind going over that first article, and then making any adjustments they feel are necessary here, as well as bringing over a version of the monarch infobox, I'll promote this article and Malcolm II of Scotland right away. Thanks! Phidauex 23:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
After a review, I'm promoting this article to Good Article status, based on the qualifications. It is impressively referenced, well written, and fairly comprehensive. Keep up the good work. If you want more clarification on my reasons for promotion, please leave a message on my talk page. Phidauex 15:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't recall having seen the charter evidence of the link between Constantine and Æthelstan before Woolf mentioned it, but checking I now see that the PASE ( here) associates Constantine with the witness to S426 and S1792 (not on Anglo-Saxons.net yet?). Just thought it was worth mentioning. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Here are a few as requested.
Sources
While the sources for north-eastern Britain, the lands of the kingdom of Northumbria and the former Pictland, are limited and late, those for the areas on the Irish Sea and Atlantic coasts—the modern regions of north-west England and all of northern and western Scotland—are non-existent, and archaeology and toponymy—the study of place names—are of primary importance.
Pictland from Constantín
Constantín's family dominated Fortriu from at least 789, and, if Constantín was a kinsman of Óengus mac Fergusa, from around 730.
Locations in north Britain in the early tenth century.png
In Ireland, Flann Sinna, who was married to Constantín's aunt, dominated the land.
the arrival of new groups of Vikings from northern and western Europe was still a commonplace
Early life
Domnall's reputation is suggested by the epithet dasachtach, a word used of violent madmen and mad bulls, used of him in the eleventh century synchronisms
Vikings
The next event reported by the Chronicle of the Kings of Alba is dated to 906. This records that
Others have suggested that the ceremony in some way endorsed Constantín's kingship, suggesting a link to later royal inaugurations at Scone.
n its report of these events..[47]
Æthelstan
but before Æthelstan and he could fight Sihtric
Abdication
Chronicle of the Kings of Alba says:[Máel Coluim] plundered the ?
Ben MacDui Talk/ Walk 20:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Refs:
Q. Does 's.a.' stand for something that may be asked to be spelled out in the FAC room? Ben MacDui Talk/ Walk 21:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Some notes as requested. I know little or nothing about Scottish history in this period, so this is the viewpoint of someone new to the subject. I've numbered the comments in case that's useful in responding to them.
That's everything I can see. Overall I think the structure is right, and the detail and sourcing all seem fine. This is a long list but it's essentially superficial. If all these were fixed I'd support at FAC. Mike Christie (talk) 23:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
My view of the names is on record here and there. On my anti-regnal-number side I have nearly all of the sources which were used to write the article, on the other there are mainly a heap of encyclopedias. I don't really care if this is Causantín/Constantín/Custantín mac Áeda or Causantín/Constantín/Custantín son of Áed, just so long as it's not the myth-perpetuating Constantine II. But perhaps we should just forget NPOV in this field and perpetuate outdated ideas: Scotland, founded 843 by Kenneth I, whaur's yer Wullie ShakespeareAlfred the Great noo?, etc.
Equally, it could seem like a point is being made rather untidily when [[Óengus I of the Picts|Óengus mac Fergusa]] and [[Cináed mac Maíl Coluim]] are changed to [[Óengus I of the Picts]] and [[Kenneth II of Scotland|Kenneth II]], but [[Constantín mac Fergusa]] and [[Eogán mac Óengusa]] are not changed at all. Then the section heading "Pictland from Constantín son of Fergus to Constantín son of Cináed" was left as it was, but the article no longer contained any reference to Constantín son of Cináed. And when I saw "Donald I" and "Owen I" of Strathclyde, I was quite sure I could distinctly hear the sound of an axe being ground. All that was missing was C's aunt being renamed Mary, and the "Iversons" being called Reginald and Godfrey, and we'd have been right back in 1850 or thereabouts.
If, as has been suggested, Gaelic names will be incomprehensible to our readers, someone will have their work cut out for them: Category:Irish kings must have between 300 and 400 articles in it and its subcategories. It would be strange indeed if Gaelic names were comprehensible if used of subjects one side of the North Channel or Druim Alban but not on the other. No doubt there's an argument to be made, but it won't be made by assertion. Still, it's good to see that the question is being discussed. Experienced editors would of course know better than to just revert back and forth, because that would be edit warring. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
You cannot justify obscurity by arguing that most people won't have heard of these people. If you make the articles inaccessible, that can only continue. If we're playing "ask the New Yorker", is the average New Yorker more likely to be comfortable navigating through "Constantine II" or "Constantin mac Aeda"? You seem to justify the previous state of these articles on the basis that no-one other than those already familiar with them would care. Michael Sanders 16:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Most of the Kings have very well-established Anglicised forms: I believe Mr McLellan's complaint was he thinks them Victorian in association. Michael Sanders 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Besides, the big difference between your examples and these is that the Scottish Kings are articled under English names. It is not appropriate to article a person or subject under one name, and then consistently refer to him or it throughout the encyclopaedia by another name. Michael Sanders 20:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created a discussion section on the talk page of the relevant guideline. I suggest interested parties contribute at that location and we'll try to reach a consensus there. Mike Christie (talk) 21:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a frequent visitor to Encarta, but I popped over to have a look at their article on Constantine II (of Scotland), or as they call him in the body of the article, Custantín mac Áeda. The editors of Encarta seem to have no problem with the content of the article not matching the title. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hardly. I'm aiming at making articles both informative and accessible. They are not accessible if they use names that the majority of readers are not familiar with, and in such a way as to confuse rather than enlighten the reader. It is respectful to the subject of history to avoid characterising it as obscure and boring, or a topic of pedantry that should be avoided in favour of science articles, or others; history should aim to enlighten as many as possible, and to serve as many as possible, and in this case it means clearly depicting the original/up to date form of the monarch's name in the relevant language, but other than that using the name forms which would give least surprise to the vast majority of readers. In this case, popular usage is, in the case of the well-known such as the Malcolms and Duncans and Macbeth and Kenneths, or the inconsistently translated such as the Constantines, in favour of the Anglicised forms. To go with that is not serving the Lowest Common Denominator, it is ensuring that as many as possible get the full benefit of these articles; and it would be far more graceful to accept that, accept the changes and allow us to all improve these articles to the standard this one generally (with the exception of the names) exhibits, than to bog down in semantics and continue the impression the Scottish articles give as inaccessible to non-Scots, or taken over by hard-line Gaels, neither of which is and should be the case. Michael Sanders 17:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
To use an English style where such is commonly used is not dumbing down, it's making a possible complicating factor easier so that interested readers can read the article without having to worry about name-forms they haven't heard of. Moreover, if you do not believe that you can make these articles accessible, you are probably in the wrong place - the whole point of wikipedia is to make an encyclopaedia accessible to everyone and as comprehensive a resource as possible. That cannot be done if your attitude is "it's an obscure subject, so why bother helping out the readers" (and, by the way, it does not matter if the sources use a different name. The articles use the most common name, regardless of what the person was called back then or what sources describe him/her as (see Catherine of Aragon - she called herself "Katherina" or "Katherine", and "Katherine" is often used in sources regarding her; but "Catherine" is the most commonly used form of name, so that is used, with - aside from the occasional anon - few protests). If a reader wants to read more about the subject: if they are reading a 'popular' work it will use the anglicisation; if they are reading a tract, they will no doubt have the knowledge of the subject and the time necessary to read the source carefully to not be confused by the usage of the less common Gaelic name. Our task is to satisfy as many people as possible, not please a few who like using the original forms. Michael Sanders 17:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
"Constantine, son of Áed (Mediaeval Gaelic: Constantín mac Áeda; Modern Gaelic: Còiseam mac Aoidh), known in most modern regnal lists as Constantine II, nicknamed An Midhaise, "the Middle Aged" (before 879 – 952) was an early King of Scotland". Re-reading this, the suggestion is that Constantine was "nicknamed An Midhaise" until 952, when he became nicknamed something else, (such as "Constantine the Old"). There may be some MOS protocol here, but would this not be better as something like:
To describe Constantine as an early 'King of Scotland' is potentially misleading because the definition of what constituted 'Scotland' has changed greatly over time. King of the Scots and King of Alba certainly, perhaps even King of Scot-land. But the Scot-lands were not Scotland in anything like the modern sense but much, much smaller, merely one kingdom amongst a number of northern British kingdoms which only centuries later were collectively designated as 'Scotland' in the sense we use the word today. Cassandra. — Preceding
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Note 20 reads: "Anderson, Early Sources, pp. 358–358". There's something wrong there, I think. – Swa cwæð Ælfgar ( talk) 00:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Can we stop with this? Alba literally means Scotland, we're talking about two entirely different languages. It is absolutely redundant and asinine to continually keep including in every article what Scotland/the Kingdom of Scotland was known as in different languages of the time. This is the English Wikipedia, in modern English the kingdom is known as Scotland/the Kingdom of Scotland.
If people want to read up on the term Alba and its origins/meanings etc. etc. there are many, many articles for that. We are causing needless confusion and clutter in these historical Scotland articles by continually switching between terms for the same polities/entities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.16.225 ( talk) 15:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
This last part "The Kingdom of Alba, a name which first appears in Constantine's lifetime, was situated in modern-day Scotland." is particularly ridiculous as you are effectively literally saying: "The Kingdom of Scotland, a name which first appears in Constantine's lifetime, was situated in modern-day Scotland.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.16.225 ( talk) 15:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I have added an image of Constantine which is certainly not contemporary, but is an image of what he may have looked like nevertheless. Kenneth MacAlpin's article uses one just like this. I know that this image has been controversially used before and removed, but I believe it should remain. William Wallace's article used to use an engraving, before it switched to a stained glass window, another later depiction.
Isn't it true that a later image is better than no image at all?
Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 20:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The profile picture of Constantine II has the portrait listed as Constantin III incorrectly, but it is not mentioned for clarity. 174.250.210.132 ( talk) 03:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page84.asp, consulted January 1, 2003
Tbarron 01:39 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)
I've taken the date of Constantine's birth from a pretty dodgy source -- [1] -- and I don't know where its author got the info from as he doesn't give his sources. Just warning you. -- Derek Ross 01:59 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
They'll have had their tea! Heh, heh, very good! -- Derek Ross | Talk 03:26, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Several "king of scots" articles were nominated at the same time recently. They are all good quality articles, and meet the basic qualifications for GA status. However, part of the 'stability' requirement, in my mind, is some consistency between sets of articles. I like Malcolm III of Scotland the best, in structure and use of the Monarch infobox. If editors wouldn't mind going over that first article, and then making any adjustments they feel are necessary here, as well as bringing over a version of the monarch infobox, I'll promote this article and Malcolm II of Scotland right away. Thanks! Phidauex 23:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
After a review, I'm promoting this article to Good Article status, based on the qualifications. It is impressively referenced, well written, and fairly comprehensive. Keep up the good work. If you want more clarification on my reasons for promotion, please leave a message on my talk page. Phidauex 15:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't recall having seen the charter evidence of the link between Constantine and Æthelstan before Woolf mentioned it, but checking I now see that the PASE ( here) associates Constantine with the witness to S426 and S1792 (not on Anglo-Saxons.net yet?). Just thought it was worth mentioning. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Here are a few as requested.
Sources
While the sources for north-eastern Britain, the lands of the kingdom of Northumbria and the former Pictland, are limited and late, those for the areas on the Irish Sea and Atlantic coasts—the modern regions of north-west England and all of northern and western Scotland—are non-existent, and archaeology and toponymy—the study of place names—are of primary importance.
Pictland from Constantín
Constantín's family dominated Fortriu from at least 789, and, if Constantín was a kinsman of Óengus mac Fergusa, from around 730.
Locations in north Britain in the early tenth century.png
In Ireland, Flann Sinna, who was married to Constantín's aunt, dominated the land.
the arrival of new groups of Vikings from northern and western Europe was still a commonplace
Early life
Domnall's reputation is suggested by the epithet dasachtach, a word used of violent madmen and mad bulls, used of him in the eleventh century synchronisms
Vikings
The next event reported by the Chronicle of the Kings of Alba is dated to 906. This records that
Others have suggested that the ceremony in some way endorsed Constantín's kingship, suggesting a link to later royal inaugurations at Scone.
n its report of these events..[47]
Æthelstan
but before Æthelstan and he could fight Sihtric
Abdication
Chronicle of the Kings of Alba says:[Máel Coluim] plundered the ?
Ben MacDui Talk/ Walk 20:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Refs:
Q. Does 's.a.' stand for something that may be asked to be spelled out in the FAC room? Ben MacDui Talk/ Walk 21:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Some notes as requested. I know little or nothing about Scottish history in this period, so this is the viewpoint of someone new to the subject. I've numbered the comments in case that's useful in responding to them.
That's everything I can see. Overall I think the structure is right, and the detail and sourcing all seem fine. This is a long list but it's essentially superficial. If all these were fixed I'd support at FAC. Mike Christie (talk) 23:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
My view of the names is on record here and there. On my anti-regnal-number side I have nearly all of the sources which were used to write the article, on the other there are mainly a heap of encyclopedias. I don't really care if this is Causantín/Constantín/Custantín mac Áeda or Causantín/Constantín/Custantín son of Áed, just so long as it's not the myth-perpetuating Constantine II. But perhaps we should just forget NPOV in this field and perpetuate outdated ideas: Scotland, founded 843 by Kenneth I, whaur's yer Wullie ShakespeareAlfred the Great noo?, etc.
Equally, it could seem like a point is being made rather untidily when [[Óengus I of the Picts|Óengus mac Fergusa]] and [[Cináed mac Maíl Coluim]] are changed to [[Óengus I of the Picts]] and [[Kenneth II of Scotland|Kenneth II]], but [[Constantín mac Fergusa]] and [[Eogán mac Óengusa]] are not changed at all. Then the section heading "Pictland from Constantín son of Fergus to Constantín son of Cináed" was left as it was, but the article no longer contained any reference to Constantín son of Cináed. And when I saw "Donald I" and "Owen I" of Strathclyde, I was quite sure I could distinctly hear the sound of an axe being ground. All that was missing was C's aunt being renamed Mary, and the "Iversons" being called Reginald and Godfrey, and we'd have been right back in 1850 or thereabouts.
If, as has been suggested, Gaelic names will be incomprehensible to our readers, someone will have their work cut out for them: Category:Irish kings must have between 300 and 400 articles in it and its subcategories. It would be strange indeed if Gaelic names were comprehensible if used of subjects one side of the North Channel or Druim Alban but not on the other. No doubt there's an argument to be made, but it won't be made by assertion. Still, it's good to see that the question is being discussed. Experienced editors would of course know better than to just revert back and forth, because that would be edit warring. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
You cannot justify obscurity by arguing that most people won't have heard of these people. If you make the articles inaccessible, that can only continue. If we're playing "ask the New Yorker", is the average New Yorker more likely to be comfortable navigating through "Constantine II" or "Constantin mac Aeda"? You seem to justify the previous state of these articles on the basis that no-one other than those already familiar with them would care. Michael Sanders 16:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Most of the Kings have very well-established Anglicised forms: I believe Mr McLellan's complaint was he thinks them Victorian in association. Michael Sanders 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Besides, the big difference between your examples and these is that the Scottish Kings are articled under English names. It is not appropriate to article a person or subject under one name, and then consistently refer to him or it throughout the encyclopaedia by another name. Michael Sanders 20:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created a discussion section on the talk page of the relevant guideline. I suggest interested parties contribute at that location and we'll try to reach a consensus there. Mike Christie (talk) 21:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a frequent visitor to Encarta, but I popped over to have a look at their article on Constantine II (of Scotland), or as they call him in the body of the article, Custantín mac Áeda. The editors of Encarta seem to have no problem with the content of the article not matching the title. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hardly. I'm aiming at making articles both informative and accessible. They are not accessible if they use names that the majority of readers are not familiar with, and in such a way as to confuse rather than enlighten the reader. It is respectful to the subject of history to avoid characterising it as obscure and boring, or a topic of pedantry that should be avoided in favour of science articles, or others; history should aim to enlighten as many as possible, and to serve as many as possible, and in this case it means clearly depicting the original/up to date form of the monarch's name in the relevant language, but other than that using the name forms which would give least surprise to the vast majority of readers. In this case, popular usage is, in the case of the well-known such as the Malcolms and Duncans and Macbeth and Kenneths, or the inconsistently translated such as the Constantines, in favour of the Anglicised forms. To go with that is not serving the Lowest Common Denominator, it is ensuring that as many as possible get the full benefit of these articles; and it would be far more graceful to accept that, accept the changes and allow us to all improve these articles to the standard this one generally (with the exception of the names) exhibits, than to bog down in semantics and continue the impression the Scottish articles give as inaccessible to non-Scots, or taken over by hard-line Gaels, neither of which is and should be the case. Michael Sanders 17:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
To use an English style where such is commonly used is not dumbing down, it's making a possible complicating factor easier so that interested readers can read the article without having to worry about name-forms they haven't heard of. Moreover, if you do not believe that you can make these articles accessible, you are probably in the wrong place - the whole point of wikipedia is to make an encyclopaedia accessible to everyone and as comprehensive a resource as possible. That cannot be done if your attitude is "it's an obscure subject, so why bother helping out the readers" (and, by the way, it does not matter if the sources use a different name. The articles use the most common name, regardless of what the person was called back then or what sources describe him/her as (see Catherine of Aragon - she called herself "Katherina" or "Katherine", and "Katherine" is often used in sources regarding her; but "Catherine" is the most commonly used form of name, so that is used, with - aside from the occasional anon - few protests). If a reader wants to read more about the subject: if they are reading a 'popular' work it will use the anglicisation; if they are reading a tract, they will no doubt have the knowledge of the subject and the time necessary to read the source carefully to not be confused by the usage of the less common Gaelic name. Our task is to satisfy as many people as possible, not please a few who like using the original forms. Michael Sanders 17:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
"Constantine, son of Áed (Mediaeval Gaelic: Constantín mac Áeda; Modern Gaelic: Còiseam mac Aoidh), known in most modern regnal lists as Constantine II, nicknamed An Midhaise, "the Middle Aged" (before 879 – 952) was an early King of Scotland". Re-reading this, the suggestion is that Constantine was "nicknamed An Midhaise" until 952, when he became nicknamed something else, (such as "Constantine the Old"). There may be some MOS protocol here, but would this not be better as something like:
To describe Constantine as an early 'King of Scotland' is potentially misleading because the definition of what constituted 'Scotland' has changed greatly over time. King of the Scots and King of Alba certainly, perhaps even King of Scot-land. But the Scot-lands were not Scotland in anything like the modern sense but much, much smaller, merely one kingdom amongst a number of northern British kingdoms which only centuries later were collectively designated as 'Scotland' in the sense we use the word today. Cassandra. — Preceding
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Note 20 reads: "Anderson, Early Sources, pp. 358–358". There's something wrong there, I think. – Swa cwæð Ælfgar ( talk) 00:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Can we stop with this? Alba literally means Scotland, we're talking about two entirely different languages. It is absolutely redundant and asinine to continually keep including in every article what Scotland/the Kingdom of Scotland was known as in different languages of the time. This is the English Wikipedia, in modern English the kingdom is known as Scotland/the Kingdom of Scotland.
If people want to read up on the term Alba and its origins/meanings etc. etc. there are many, many articles for that. We are causing needless confusion and clutter in these historical Scotland articles by continually switching between terms for the same polities/entities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.16.225 ( talk) 15:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
This last part "The Kingdom of Alba, a name which first appears in Constantine's lifetime, was situated in modern-day Scotland." is particularly ridiculous as you are effectively literally saying: "The Kingdom of Scotland, a name which first appears in Constantine's lifetime, was situated in modern-day Scotland.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.16.225 ( talk) 15:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I have added an image of Constantine which is certainly not contemporary, but is an image of what he may have looked like nevertheless. Kenneth MacAlpin's article uses one just like this. I know that this image has been controversially used before and removed, but I believe it should remain. William Wallace's article used to use an engraving, before it switched to a stained glass window, another later depiction.
Isn't it true that a later image is better than no image at all?
Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 20:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The profile picture of Constantine II has the portrait listed as Constantin III incorrectly, but it is not mentioned for clarity. 174.250.210.132 ( talk) 03:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)