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A great number of citations go back to Curley´s book. And they all refer to the same three pages (39 to 41) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greece666 ( talk • contribs) 08:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Are all these categories necessary? Like “Greek autobiographers” or “21st century writers”? Seem unnecessary to me — Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 11:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DrKay ( talk) 16:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
The current page tells us that "When King Constantine's grandfather George II died, his father King Paul came to the throne" or words to that effect. However, King George II was the elder brother of King Paul, not his father. King Constantine I was the father of King George II, King Alexander and King Paul. If your encyclopaedia is to be a useful work of reference, you should really get this corrected. It looks like the work of an uneducated outsider. It is like stating that all US Presidents are the children of the preceeding President. It fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the institution, as if it does not really matter. But historical verity does matter when you are a resource for historians. You cannot just state an untruth as if it were a fact. George II was NOT Constantine II's grandfather, but his uncle. The Greek naming tradition whereby an eldest son takes the Christian name of his paternal grandfather gives us a bit of a clue here too. King Paul's father was King Constantine I, so his eldest son and heir was Constantine II, much as his own eldest son is Paul, and his eldest grandson Constantine. 213.205.192.251 ( talk) 23:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Before a mistake, accusing the errant of being an "uneducated outsider" and having such an unempathetic attitude is not welcome on Wikipedia. _-_Alsor ( talk) 13:51, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I've known of this article for nearly three years, and I always found it strange that there current 1987 portrait was being used when he reigned in the 60s. I always figured that there was no contemporary free equivalent, however, I've just found several in his categories. In the wake of his death, I think we should alter his photo. These are my two suggestions, however, you can look through his category on Wikimedia Commons and suggest any other ones if you want. Knightoftheswords281 ( talk) 03:04, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I have moved all three images above on display as options, so we can have a vote. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 03:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
May we please not put into the succession boxes, the title bit of Titular King of the Hellenes. I've noticed it's been added twice & worst, with his son Paul being shown as his successor. GoodDay ( talk) 21:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Alsoriano97, this is broadly a good quality detailed article but their are frequent problems with awkward or confusing wording. I have suggested some changes below which cover the first part of the article down to the end of the "Reign" section. I will make suggestions for the rest of the article once these issues are dealt with. Please use the Done template or strikethrough to indicate that a problem has been dealt with and add any comments/questions after the points. For an example of a review with a similar structure, see
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Hi Alsoriano97 and Therealscorp1an, thank you for dealing with the issues I pointed out in the previous section. Here is a series of points covering the second half of the article-- Llewee ( talk) 15:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Nominator comment Much appreciated, Llewee. I'll work on it these days. _-_Alsor ( talk) 23:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
2nd Nominator comment @ Llewee: Everything corrected. About the opposition of King George of the United Kingdom to the presence in his country of Princess Frederica, I have not found any source that explains exactly the reasons, but she did have Nazi sympathies so it can be understood that this was the reason. If you think it isn't enough, I think the right thing to do would be to remove that content. _-_Alsor ( talk) 23:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Alsoriano97: Stop! I had just finished making all of the edits, haha, I was just about to publish them. Do you want to continue or want me to do it? - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
3rd nominator comment @ Alsoriano97 and Llewee: How do you guys feel about the ancestry box being deleted from the page? I ask this as a lot of articles are having them removed. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 22:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
4th comment hello Llewee, what's the next step? Thanks! _-_Alsor ( talk) 14:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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@ DrKay: Hello. I have brought you here to ask that you explain your constant reverting of my changes, being that of the Regent of the Hellenes and the final section of the lead regarding his death. You have failed to explained multiple times in your various edit summaries and just simply give the reason that edits should be in English, which they all have been of course. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 10:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
IMHO, the infobox should say King of Greece, to match the intro, both here & at the bios of George I, Constantine I, Alexander, George II & Paul. That would remove the rather odd appearance of 'King of the Hellenes' & 'Regent of Greece', in the same infobox. GoodDay ( talk) 22:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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A great number of citations go back to Curley´s book. And they all refer to the same three pages (39 to 41) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greece666 ( talk • contribs) 08:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Are all these categories necessary? Like “Greek autobiographers” or “21st century writers”? Seem unnecessary to me — Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 11:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
This page has been nominated to be linked on the main page under the section "In the News." Interested editors are invited to discuss the nomination which can be found here. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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Historical period published article for cross references and review of your published bio:
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DrKay ( talk) 16:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
The current page tells us that "When King Constantine's grandfather George II died, his father King Paul came to the throne" or words to that effect. However, King George II was the elder brother of King Paul, not his father. King Constantine I was the father of King George II, King Alexander and King Paul. If your encyclopaedia is to be a useful work of reference, you should really get this corrected. It looks like the work of an uneducated outsider. It is like stating that all US Presidents are the children of the preceeding President. It fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the institution, as if it does not really matter. But historical verity does matter when you are a resource for historians. You cannot just state an untruth as if it were a fact. George II was NOT Constantine II's grandfather, but his uncle. The Greek naming tradition whereby an eldest son takes the Christian name of his paternal grandfather gives us a bit of a clue here too. King Paul's father was King Constantine I, so his eldest son and heir was Constantine II, much as his own eldest son is Paul, and his eldest grandson Constantine. 213.205.192.251 ( talk) 23:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Before a mistake, accusing the errant of being an "uneducated outsider" and having such an unempathetic attitude is not welcome on Wikipedia. _-_Alsor ( talk) 13:51, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I've known of this article for nearly three years, and I always found it strange that there current 1987 portrait was being used when he reigned in the 60s. I always figured that there was no contemporary free equivalent, however, I've just found several in his categories. In the wake of his death, I think we should alter his photo. These are my two suggestions, however, you can look through his category on Wikimedia Commons and suggest any other ones if you want. Knightoftheswords281 ( talk) 03:04, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I have moved all three images above on display as options, so we can have a vote. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 03:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
May we please not put into the succession boxes, the title bit of Titular King of the Hellenes. I've noticed it's been added twice & worst, with his son Paul being shown as his successor. GoodDay ( talk) 21:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Hi
Alsoriano97, this is broadly a good quality detailed article but their are frequent problems with awkward or confusing wording. I have suggested some changes below which cover the first part of the article down to the end of the "Reign" section. I will make suggestions for the rest of the article once these issues are dealt with. Please use the Done template or strikethrough to indicate that a problem has been dealt with and add any comments/questions after the points. For an example of a review with a similar structure, see
Talk:Murder of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes/GA1.--
Llewee (
talk) 16:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Alsoriano97 and Therealscorp1an, thank you for dealing with the issues I pointed out in the previous section. Here is a series of points covering the second half of the article-- Llewee ( talk) 15:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Nominator comment Much appreciated, Llewee. I'll work on it these days. _-_Alsor ( talk) 23:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
2nd Nominator comment @ Llewee: Everything corrected. About the opposition of King George of the United Kingdom to the presence in his country of Princess Frederica, I have not found any source that explains exactly the reasons, but she did have Nazi sympathies so it can be understood that this was the reason. If you think it isn't enough, I think the right thing to do would be to remove that content. _-_Alsor ( talk) 23:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Alsoriano97: Stop! I had just finished making all of the edits, haha, I was just about to publish them. Do you want to continue or want me to do it? - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
3rd nominator comment @ Alsoriano97 and Llewee: How do you guys feel about the ancestry box being deleted from the page? I ask this as a lot of articles are having them removed. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 22:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
4th comment hello Llewee, what's the next step? Thanks! _-_Alsor ( talk) 14:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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@ DrKay: Hello. I have brought you here to ask that you explain your constant reverting of my changes, being that of the Regent of the Hellenes and the final section of the lead regarding his death. You have failed to explained multiple times in your various edit summaries and just simply give the reason that edits should be in English, which they all have been of course. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 10:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
IMHO, the infobox should say King of Greece, to match the intro, both here & at the bios of George I, Constantine I, Alexander, George II & Paul. That would remove the rather odd appearance of 'King of the Hellenes' & 'Regent of Greece', in the same infobox. GoodDay ( talk) 22:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)