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Neuwirth is not of Columbian descent. Refer to http://conchitawurst.com/index.php?id=7 He made up a Conchita Wurst as a stage persona with a fictional biography. Please correct. - 84.112.231.139 ( talk) 10:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Done PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 10:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Conchita has claimed for several sources that she was born in Colombia. She has claimed this in her biography at her site and an interview for Wiwiblogs. There have been claims that she was born near Bogota, in the highlands of Colombia, in Spanish speaking media outlets, including El Espectador and Antena2.
I think this must be addressed somewhere in the article. -- Javp87 ( talk) 03:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I think this should be explained to the English speaking world: Wurst means ‘sausage’ in German. The name comes from a Austrian idiom Das ist (mir) Wurst (lit. ‘This is sausage (to me)’) meaning ‘This does not matter (to me)’. The choice of name is therefore programmtic, indicating that Tom Neuwirth considers appearance ans sexual orientation as a non-issue.
He explains this in a chat interview at http://derstandard.at/1397521434127/Chat-mit-Conchita-Wurst
Question: Wie bist du auf den Namen Conchita Wurst gekommen? ‘Why did you choose the name Conchita Wurst?’
Answer: Conchita wurde ich von einer kubanischen Freundin getauft und den Nachnamen, weil es eben "wurst" ist, woher man kommt und wie man aussieht. ‘I was called Conchita by a Cuban friend, and concerning the surname, because it is sausage (=does not matter) where you come from and what you look like.’
I think that should make it to the article, but it’s blocked. 49.244.243.8 ( talk) 12:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, I guess you also need to explain "Conchita" as a first name, coupled with the last name "Wurst" (sausage). Conchita is the diminutive of "concha", meaning "shell", but that has a very explicit meaning in Spanish: it is used to designated the vagina in a very vulgar way. So the name Conchita (vagina) Wurst (sausage, i.e. I leave to your imagination what it stands for), is clearly no coincidence...
While in German, Wurst means 'sausage,' ...
As a non-English common noun, "Wurst" should be italicized: Wurst. Sca ( talk) 14:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
It might be a bit off-topic for the article but "conchita" is the diminutive form of the Spanish word "concha", which in addition to meaning among others things "mussle" is a slang word for "pussy", while "Wurst" is the German word for "sausage". So the English meaning of the name would be "little pussy sausage". A name that would probably be appropriate, and quite amusing, as the name of a drag show persona, but might be a bit inappropriate for someone intending on a mainstream music career under that name. Thomas.W talk 21:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, I thought Conchita is a dimunitive to "conception" or "to be born/conceived", hence Conchita Wurst is "Born a sausage(man)". Sausage and mussels as one's name is rather amusing though. -- Sjschen ( talk)
In an interview she explains, how she got the name and that she knows that Conchita is also used for female Genitalia. Judith Sunrise ( talk) 21:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
I got some typo-problems when trying to ad this video. Can anyone else add it? The text under did not appear. Adville ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Many people are curious about Conchita Wurst/Tom Neuwirth ethnicity. She is obviously not a Germanic, he looks like a Turk. Is anything know on this subject? I think it's pretty relevant to tons of peoples' interest-- 24.203.108.54 ( talk) 03:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
The beard is partly painted in, which is part of the overall effect. Easy to find pictures of Tom Newirth online. — Preceding
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I've just check ProjectEurovision's list of reliable sources, and Wiwibloggs do not appear on it. Wes Mᴥuse 03:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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According to Neuwirth he got the name Conchita from a Cuban friend, and the last name comes from the upper german 'Das ist Wurscht', or as Tom said: "It doesn't really matter where one comes from, and what one looks like." The dialect word "Wurscht" literally means sausage, and is spelled "Wurst" in standard german. [1] ThurnerRupert ( talk) 09:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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In the Biography section it currently reads that "Neuwirth stated that he was born in Gmunden". Well, the source is his own website and it still gives the same information, so can the article be changed to "Neuwirth states that he was born in Gmunden"? PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 10:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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If wikipedia is still an objective and logical source of knowledge, you should specify his gender : male. Thank you. 82.166.42.38 ( talk) 19:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I really don't think this is a good source. Is this the best source that exists regarding his supposed sexuality? -- John ( talk) 10:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
See below for newly published source. Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 17:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
It is very surprising to me that an experienced editor and advanced German speaker like John was unable to verify die Bonitaet of tz.de, the online edition of the Munich print daily TagesZeitung, which in the linked article reported that Neuwirth came out on live TV in Austria in 2007. Fortunately here is the Indy to the rescue. Or do we really have to wait for Aunty? http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/conchita-wurst-how-a-bearded-drag-pervert-reviled-by-russia-became-the-toast-of-europe-9350504.html Petercascio ( talk) 22:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Conchita, real name Tom Neuwirth, 25, grew up in a small Austrian village of Bad Mitterndorf in the southern province of Styria, and revealed that being gay in a small village had been tough - but that her mother had always supported her.
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Conchita said: 'It was shortly before my 18th birthday when I came out and admitted that I was gay. If you are prepared to admit to others and to yourself who you really are, then you can have a fantastic life. Of course, you need to have a thick skin to get through it all.
Suggest we edit this in to the article and add LGBT categories etc.
Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 17:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, here's a really good one, it's
The New Yorker ("well known for its ... rigorous fact checking"
):
Conchita Wurst is the alter ego of the twenty-five-year-old Tom Neuwirth, who created Wurst in response to the discrimination he faced growing up gay in a small Austrian town.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/05/conchita-wurst-wins-eurovision-2014.html
This pretty much nails it, surely?
Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 12:39, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Here for the same quote [3], this time in a news section rather than a blog post. It seems legit -- Drowninginlimbo ( talk) 13:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
"Behind the makeup is gay singer, Tom Neuwirth, who describes himself as a man and Wurst as a character he plays." http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/conchita-wins-eurovision110514#sthash.JttDcDHj.dpuf
"Conchita said: "It was shortly before my 18th birthday when I came out and admitted that I was gay." http://austriantimes.at/news/Panorama/2014-05-12/50938/Conchita_Wurst_Gets_Tattoo_In_Honour_Of_Mum
"I refer, of course, to last night's winner of Eurovision - a hirsute brunette drag queen from Austria, AKA gay singer Tom Neuwirth." http://home.bt.com/entertainment/tv/talkingpoints/conchita-conquered-eurovision-with-an-almighty-performance-11363900504991
"Wurst, whose real name is Tom Neuwirth, is a gay man, who dresses as a woman, but persists with a hairy legacy of his machismo on his prettified face." http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/russia-baiting-reveals-its-wurst-side/15010#.U3fXt5BDvRE
Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 21:47, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Added LGBT category and portal link, article text needs update to reflect. Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 17:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
May a admin add in "see also" a wikilink to Transgender ? it is useful to understand this person. -- Dadu ( talk) 11:00, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Isnt the issue here that this person performs as Conchita Wurst now and probably forever. As himself he is just a regular guy but his performance and what he is known for is the persona Conchita Wurst. So the article should be have the "She" used throughout. And if she ever decides to not be Conchita Wurst when performing perhaps then it could be discussed if the article should be renamed or an individual article should be created to follow his career as a man. It is very difficult but lets not make this really non-issue into a big debate.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 11:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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Under "2006–07: Starmania & Jetzt Anders!", there's a link to the page Starmania on the Deutsch Wikipedia. Seeing as there's a reasonably-detailed Starmania page on English Wikipedia, I think the link should point there as it's a much more helpful resource for English Wikipedia readers. ~ Smiley 13:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Please update!! --- Jean Bernstein — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.120.214 ( talk) 20:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
How can the article not mention the beard before "See Also"? I'm going to say that the names of some cited references don't count since that text is intended for those who want to verify the facts presented. -- Elijah ( talk) 05:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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Neuwirth is not of Columbian descent. Refer to http://conchitawurst.com/index.php?id=7 He made up a Conchita Wurst as a stage persona with a fictional biography. Please correct. - 84.112.231.139 ( talk) 10:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Done PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 10:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Conchita has claimed for several sources that she was born in Colombia. She has claimed this in her biography at her site and an interview for Wiwiblogs. There have been claims that she was born near Bogota, in the highlands of Colombia, in Spanish speaking media outlets, including El Espectador and Antena2.
I think this must be addressed somewhere in the article. -- Javp87 ( talk) 03:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I think this should be explained to the English speaking world: Wurst means ‘sausage’ in German. The name comes from a Austrian idiom Das ist (mir) Wurst (lit. ‘This is sausage (to me)’) meaning ‘This does not matter (to me)’. The choice of name is therefore programmtic, indicating that Tom Neuwirth considers appearance ans sexual orientation as a non-issue.
He explains this in a chat interview at http://derstandard.at/1397521434127/Chat-mit-Conchita-Wurst
Question: Wie bist du auf den Namen Conchita Wurst gekommen? ‘Why did you choose the name Conchita Wurst?’
Answer: Conchita wurde ich von einer kubanischen Freundin getauft und den Nachnamen, weil es eben "wurst" ist, woher man kommt und wie man aussieht. ‘I was called Conchita by a Cuban friend, and concerning the surname, because it is sausage (=does not matter) where you come from and what you look like.’
I think that should make it to the article, but it’s blocked. 49.244.243.8 ( talk) 12:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, I guess you also need to explain "Conchita" as a first name, coupled with the last name "Wurst" (sausage). Conchita is the diminutive of "concha", meaning "shell", but that has a very explicit meaning in Spanish: it is used to designated the vagina in a very vulgar way. So the name Conchita (vagina) Wurst (sausage, i.e. I leave to your imagination what it stands for), is clearly no coincidence...
While in German, Wurst means 'sausage,' ...
As a non-English common noun, "Wurst" should be italicized: Wurst. Sca ( talk) 14:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
It might be a bit off-topic for the article but "conchita" is the diminutive form of the Spanish word "concha", which in addition to meaning among others things "mussle" is a slang word for "pussy", while "Wurst" is the German word for "sausage". So the English meaning of the name would be "little pussy sausage". A name that would probably be appropriate, and quite amusing, as the name of a drag show persona, but might be a bit inappropriate for someone intending on a mainstream music career under that name. Thomas.W talk 21:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, I thought Conchita is a dimunitive to "conception" or "to be born/conceived", hence Conchita Wurst is "Born a sausage(man)". Sausage and mussels as one's name is rather amusing though. -- Sjschen ( talk)
In an interview she explains, how she got the name and that she knows that Conchita is also used for female Genitalia. Judith Sunrise ( talk) 21:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
I got some typo-problems when trying to ad this video. Can anyone else add it? The text under did not appear. Adville ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Many people are curious about Conchita Wurst/Tom Neuwirth ethnicity. She is obviously not a Germanic, he looks like a Turk. Is anything know on this subject? I think it's pretty relevant to tons of peoples' interest-- 24.203.108.54 ( talk) 03:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
The beard is partly painted in, which is part of the overall effect. Easy to find pictures of Tom Newirth online. — Preceding
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23:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I've just check ProjectEurovision's list of reliable sources, and Wiwibloggs do not appear on it. Wes Mᴥuse 03:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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According to Neuwirth he got the name Conchita from a Cuban friend, and the last name comes from the upper german 'Das ist Wurscht', or as Tom said: "It doesn't really matter where one comes from, and what one looks like." The dialect word "Wurscht" literally means sausage, and is spelled "Wurst" in standard german. [1] ThurnerRupert ( talk) 09:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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In the Biography section it currently reads that "Neuwirth stated that he was born in Gmunden". Well, the source is his own website and it still gives the same information, so can the article be changed to "Neuwirth states that he was born in Gmunden"? PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 10:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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If wikipedia is still an objective and logical source of knowledge, you should specify his gender : male. Thank you. 82.166.42.38 ( talk) 19:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I really don't think this is a good source. Is this the best source that exists regarding his supposed sexuality? -- John ( talk) 10:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
See below for newly published source. Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 17:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
It is very surprising to me that an experienced editor and advanced German speaker like John was unable to verify die Bonitaet of tz.de, the online edition of the Munich print daily TagesZeitung, which in the linked article reported that Neuwirth came out on live TV in Austria in 2007. Fortunately here is the Indy to the rescue. Or do we really have to wait for Aunty? http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/conchita-wurst-how-a-bearded-drag-pervert-reviled-by-russia-became-the-toast-of-europe-9350504.html Petercascio ( talk) 22:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Conchita, real name Tom Neuwirth, 25, grew up in a small Austrian village of Bad Mitterndorf in the southern province of Styria, and revealed that being gay in a small village had been tough - but that her mother had always supported her.
...
Conchita said: 'It was shortly before my 18th birthday when I came out and admitted that I was gay. If you are prepared to admit to others and to yourself who you really are, then you can have a fantastic life. Of course, you need to have a thick skin to get through it all.
Suggest we edit this in to the article and add LGBT categories etc.
Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 17:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, here's a really good one, it's
The New Yorker ("well known for its ... rigorous fact checking"
):
Conchita Wurst is the alter ego of the twenty-five-year-old Tom Neuwirth, who created Wurst in response to the discrimination he faced growing up gay in a small Austrian town.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/05/conchita-wurst-wins-eurovision-2014.html
This pretty much nails it, surely?
Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 12:39, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Here for the same quote [3], this time in a news section rather than a blog post. It seems legit -- Drowninginlimbo ( talk) 13:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
"Behind the makeup is gay singer, Tom Neuwirth, who describes himself as a man and Wurst as a character he plays." http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/conchita-wins-eurovision110514#sthash.JttDcDHj.dpuf
"Conchita said: "It was shortly before my 18th birthday when I came out and admitted that I was gay." http://austriantimes.at/news/Panorama/2014-05-12/50938/Conchita_Wurst_Gets_Tattoo_In_Honour_Of_Mum
"I refer, of course, to last night's winner of Eurovision - a hirsute brunette drag queen from Austria, AKA gay singer Tom Neuwirth." http://home.bt.com/entertainment/tv/talkingpoints/conchita-conquered-eurovision-with-an-almighty-performance-11363900504991
"Wurst, whose real name is Tom Neuwirth, is a gay man, who dresses as a woman, but persists with a hairy legacy of his machismo on his prettified face." http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/russia-baiting-reveals-its-wurst-side/15010#.U3fXt5BDvRE
Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 21:47, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Added LGBT category and portal link, article text needs update to reflect. Balaenoptera musculus ( talk) 17:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
May a admin add in "see also" a wikilink to Transgender ? it is useful to understand this person. -- Dadu ( talk) 11:00, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Isnt the issue here that this person performs as Conchita Wurst now and probably forever. As himself he is just a regular guy but his performance and what he is known for is the persona Conchita Wurst. So the article should be have the "She" used throughout. And if she ever decides to not be Conchita Wurst when performing perhaps then it could be discussed if the article should be renamed or an individual article should be created to follow his career as a man. It is very difficult but lets not make this really non-issue into a big debate.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 11:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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Under "2006–07: Starmania & Jetzt Anders!", there's a link to the page Starmania on the Deutsch Wikipedia. Seeing as there's a reasonably-detailed Starmania page on English Wikipedia, I think the link should point there as it's a much more helpful resource for English Wikipedia readers. ~ Smiley 13:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Please update!! --- Jean Bernstein — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.120.214 ( talk) 20:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
How can the article not mention the beard before "See Also"? I'm going to say that the names of some cited references don't count since that text is intended for those who want to verify the facts presented. -- Elijah ( talk) 05:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)