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SNR is dramatically lower for HD DVD-R than for BD-R. I doubt whether HD DVD is future proof because of the low SNR. Andries ( talk) 20:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
If the Signal-to-Noise Ratio is lower, that is not a flaw of the format. That's a flaw of the data decoder inside the hardware, and likely specific to just ONE manufacturer with a poor design, not all hd dvd manufacturers. ---- Theaveng ( talk) 17:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I will first translate a lot more from the source at HD DVD-R before I edit in here, though I am not sure if I ever will edit in here. The reason for more tranlsations is that there are too many misunderstandings. Now it seems impossible for the editors here to make an informed decision. Andries ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
"The plastic disc, with a thickness of 1.2 mm, would protect the information. Lenses could be used to focus on the pits without the dust particles becoming visible. The same happens with dust on the lens of a photographic camera or scratches on a window; if there are not too many of them, they fade just enough so as not to appear on the photograph." [1]
In this article, disc depth seems only to be discussed in terms of durability (resistance to the inevitable dust/scratches/fingerprints and protection of the data layer), not focal length (said inevitable damage being out of focus).
(Let me qualify the word "inevitable" by stating that I handle discs very carefully. I try to avoid touching the bottom surface of the disc, I keep my discs in their case or sleeve or other environ with minimal dust, and clean as needed. I am amazed at how infrequently I have to clean discs considering their tight spec and how much they can take before they become unreadable.) ( 168.28.44.159 ( talk) 22:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) ( 24.98.235.224 ( talk) 01:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC))
According to NPD, which excluded sales of PS3 or Xbox 360 units, the standalone sales of HD DVd and Blu-ray players are essentially tied. 49% HD DVD and 49% Bluray.
Revenue was 37% for HD DVD and 58% for Blu ray standalone players, due to higher profit margins on BD machines. Link: http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/01/23/npd-confirms-huge-blu-ray-share-jump/
"Perhaps the most interesting news was the total numbers for 2007. While we have been lead to believe that HD DVD has had higher standalone sales all year, the NPD totals show the unit sales were the same for both formats, each with 49% of the unit share, however Blu-ray Disc players had 58% of the revenue compared to HD DVD with only 37%. The remaining 2% unit sales were the combo players, with 5% of the revenue for 2007." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theaveng ( talk • contribs) 13:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
There's a lot in the article about HD DVD vs Blu-Ray and how they stack up vs each other, but what about total home video marketshare? Can anyone find a source for that? I've had no luck so far. Ace of Sevens ( talk) 22:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
HMM just published a story saying that HD media hit $260m last year, whereas all of DVD is over $24b. So software is a bit over 10% according to those numbers ( http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom020308/index.php?startpage=14) Peter Torr (MSFT) ( talk) 17:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
UK News: Woolworth's drops HD DVD on March 1st (Woolworth's operates 820 retail stores in the UK).
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/woolworths-demoting-hd-dvd-players-to-online-sales-only/
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=897
"After analyzing Christmastime sales data, UK retailer Woolworth's has decided to drop their in-store support for HD DVD, and will be featuring Blu-ray players and discs only beginning in March. Blu-ray titles held a sales advantage of 10-to-1 over its rival at Woolworth's 820 retail locations, and as the largest retailer of high definition discs in the UK, they are taking a stand against the format war."
Denzelio ( talk) 19:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
-- w_tanoto ( talk) 21:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I added the section using the press release (per W Tanoto above). Barte ( talk) 18:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
At the risk of stepping into a fire (I have no opinion either way on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD -- someone just sent me a link to the image -- but I noticed the huge and heated discussions on this page), I want to point out that the pie chart could have one major change to make it much more usable. Grouping all the reds and the blues together would make it easier to see the overall shares of both formats. As it stands now, the formats are intermixed and the chart has no numbers, so it's somewhat difficult to eyeball that basic fact. 96.232.213.203 ( talk) 19:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it would fit in this article or not, but is there a particular reason why both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD editions of films previously released to standard DVD often omit special features? I was quite disappointed to discover that the Blu-Ray edition of Resident Evil: Apocalypse omitted the gag reel included on the DVD release (as well as I think a couple of other features but I haven't been able to do a side-by-side comparison). In fact, when the first BR and HD-DVD discs came out, one of the criticisms was how they tended to be vanilla while the DVD had all the goodies. Is there a technological flaw preventing the two new formats from containing all the bonus features seen on DVD releases, or is there an issue with licensing. And if so, does one format have the edge over the other in that regard? 23skidoo ( talk) 17:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Since CH DVD is out in China, and both HD DVD and Blu Ray players are being sold in Asia, should we add a section about studios that support either formats in Asia? -- Elven6 ( talk) 17:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Does Blu-ray disc support 30p? I never knew that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.134.12.11 ( talk) 05:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a {{ dubious}} notice in the technical details comparison table, next to the frame rate for DVD, which is currently shown as " 50/60i". This template has a link to a section called "Frame Rate RfC". Neither such a section nor any other discussion about frame rates seems to to exist, either here or in the archives. What's going on? Brian Jason Drake 09:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
i saw someone added that they are dropping HD DVD. I tried to do some quick research and all I found was this Blu Ray or HD DVD? Half of our customers will be disappointed whichever way it goes says Dixons.co.uk. Any source stating they are dropping HD DVD players? Otherwise it should be removed. PaleAqua ( talk) 18:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I have seen some unconfirmed rumours being added. I am not sure the truth in gamerthoughts or whatever the name is, and it's a blog. It's not reported on blu-ray.com, hidefdigest.com, or engadgethd.com. I am considering removing it. The table with the list of studios, IMO, should stay. -- w_tanoto ( talk) 14:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Alright so DVD town had a interview with Warner Bros, about wheater or not they will still produce old titles on HD DVD (reprinting them), Warner then said it will produce titles on HD DVD for as long as their is demand! [2]-- Elven6 ( talk) 22:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Release: new disc produced Supply: disc already produced, just need to supply it to retailer.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 23:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
They state new HD DVD's may be created, this could also included newer titles aswell. -- Elven6 ( talk) 01:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes the article is about restocking, but Warner mentions creating HD DVD's aswell if consumers demand it, key word created! Their not clear on wheater they will create new titles or just the old ones. Give it some time though, more info will become available.
should we add this?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib77125d96b22e86027d0bfb0c25aa58d http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=12100
normally I don't believe rumours, but these rumours are somewhat different, and published by credible sources.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 01:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Alot of storys get picked up all over the place that turn out to be false, remember the the 360 ultimate, the psp phone, the universal switch at the end of 07, etc -- Elven6 ( talk) 16:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080216/media_nm/toshiba_hd_dvd_exit_dc Another place reporting. Axem Titanium ( talk) 16:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/15/wal-mart-to-officially-discontinue-hd-dvd-sales-by-june/ by june, no HD DVD in walmart. It begins now and ended by june-- w_tanoto ( talk) 17:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Just making folks aware that there's an High definition optical disc format war article now, so feel free to help out there. =) — Locke Cole • t • c 08:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=12112 not sure where to add this since the porn section is gone.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 11:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The rumors are beyond pervasive. Toshiba is pulling the plug. There are unnamed sources everywhere and Toshiba itself isn't responding. But until Toshiba makes it official, it's not "official". So please, if you want to talk about the pending doom of HD DVD, cite soume souces--Reuters, PC World....there's plenty to choose from. But don't just "officially" take it upon yourself to declare the war over. Thanks. Barte ( talk) 19:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Due to recent events the studio support picture needs to be re-colored or removed.
For instance Universal switches to Blu ray, so no-longer the red color for Universal.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1007
Denzelio ( talk) 18:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Isn't Universal going Blu-ray exclusive - CNET News says Universal is "dropping HD DVD". I'm not sure. Remstar ( talk) 21:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Paramount just went Blu-ray. Link to Reuters: [4] Please update the studio support pie graph. Here is the link to CNET about Universal aswell [5]. Thanks. Remstar ( talk) 06:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for updating the image, Locke - I am looking at the Universal/Paramount release schedule details as soon as they appear. (Can't wait to get Apollo 13 on Blu-ray!) Remstar ( talk) 11:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:High_definition_optical_disc_format_war#Merge_Articles -- w_tanoto ( talk) 19:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
First I checked all the references in it, they are either dont exist or show completely differnt prices. I this it's a bad idea to refer a daily changing retailer pages form an encyclopedia anyway. I suggest to remove this table, as it is basically cannot be proven by any of the links, and hence is a lie. Andru nl ( talk) 21:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Now that Paramount has said they will again release on Blu-ray, Paramount will now need to be turned purple in the 'Studio Support Picture.
http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2118265320080221
Denzelio ( talk) 07:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
It appears the last HD DVD exclusive company Weinstein has become Blu-ray exclusive, and so Weinstein needs to be turned blue in the Studio Support picture. Although they have not yet stated they are Blu-ray exclusive it is already clear they will not bring out any more HD DVD.
Through the first several months of last year, Genius was releasing titles in HD DVD, but has stalled since then.
“Whether its Blu-ray or HD DVD…that was solved today that HD DVD backed out,” said Genius CEO Trevor Drinkwater during the company’s presentation at the Roth Capital Partners event. “Blu-ray is the last format in, and that has cleared the way for the industry to get aggressive around next generation DVD.”
A spokesman for Genius said there weren’t immediate plans for the company to specify its high-definition strategy. Drinkwater likewise did not detail upcoming Genius high-def releases during his speech.
http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=blog&blog_id=830000483&blog_post_id=570022257
The Weinstein Company holds 70% stake of Genius Products, which releases all of The Weinstein Company's movies on DVD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weinstein_Company
Denzelio ( talk) 07:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Is the pie chart still correct? I thought Universal was 100% blu-ray now? -- Ysangkok ( talk) 16:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
For the non-technical, perhaps the introduction could list the most significant advantages and disadvantages of each format? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to start either an edit war or controversy so I'm asking here before I make any changes. This image HighDefShare6.svg before Toshiba indicated the HD War had ended had Paramount and Universal as purely HD. Now obviously these companies are now adopting BluRay as a distribution format as they want to distribute to their customers in the best available format ( Here shows they made the decision after the end of the format war). Where I'm going with this is.... Shouldn't the graph provide an indication of how the market was split prior to the announcement Toshiba made with a comment stating this was how the market was split before the format war ended? Chappy T C 19:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
the table is getting rather messy. i cleaned that up, such as removing personal point of view comments "may soon drop suppport". See WP:NPOV. It is understood that universal studio's plan is in flux, but that does not meansa personal point of view should be stated. Besides, it has already been stated in the article itself that universal is undecided of what to do with HD DVD.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The source for Image:HighDefSales.svg is not accurate, the information in the source does not reflect the information provided on the image. JayKeaton ( talk) 20:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Per the merge discussion, it has been suggested that this article be restricted to the technical comparisons (the material mostly at the top), while Format War would cover....the history and aftermath of the format war, which I think it now largely does. This would be a big change, involving some serious deleting at this end. I'm willing to apply an eraser, but only if there is no objection. Barte ( talk) 15:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I changed the {{merge}} tag to the {{otheruses4}} tag at the top of both articles. If no one objects, I'll start nibbling away at some of the redundant/outdated material here. Barte ( talk) 20:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to Harumphy for making a final, big delete. There may be some sawdust to sweep, but the place looks remodeled. Barte ( talk) 20:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Given CBHD is an active format, and HD DVD isn't, wouldn't it make sense to include it in this table? I'd do it myself but the details of CBHD seem to be difficult to obtain right now. -- 66.149.58.8 ( talk) 13:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Mandatory Video: Chinese AVS
Optional Video: same as HD-DVD
Mandatory Audio: DKAA audio system
Optional Audio: same as HD-DVD
Both Secondary Video and Audio are optional
No interactivity (as of yet)
Internet support is mandatory
Framerates are same as HD-DVD
DRM is proprietary mandatory support on players but not discs
No region codes,
Does this help 66? —Preceding
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Lostinlodos (
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contribs)
13:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
FWIW, I believe DKAA is the name of the encryption system, not the audio system, which is the AVS codec DRA. Interactivity is provided via the CTEC system. While I have references for some of the above (I added much of it to CBHD myself) things like the Internet support, optionality of DRM, framerates, etc, are things I can't find external references for (thus making them unverifiable.) What we need are authoritative sites with this kind of information in it. -- 66.149.58.8 ( talk) 22:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The second paragraph doesn't seem to be very well written, nor make a great deal of sense (especially the first sentence "AVCHD could be one of the reasons for Blu-ray Disc format to win"). Unfortunately I am not knowledgeable on this topic, but I will at least have a go at improving it from a purely English language point of view. StarDelta ( talk) 14:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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SNR is dramatically lower for HD DVD-R than for BD-R. I doubt whether HD DVD is future proof because of the low SNR. Andries ( talk) 20:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
If the Signal-to-Noise Ratio is lower, that is not a flaw of the format. That's a flaw of the data decoder inside the hardware, and likely specific to just ONE manufacturer with a poor design, not all hd dvd manufacturers. ---- Theaveng ( talk) 17:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I will first translate a lot more from the source at HD DVD-R before I edit in here, though I am not sure if I ever will edit in here. The reason for more tranlsations is that there are too many misunderstandings. Now it seems impossible for the editors here to make an informed decision. Andries ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
"The plastic disc, with a thickness of 1.2 mm, would protect the information. Lenses could be used to focus on the pits without the dust particles becoming visible. The same happens with dust on the lens of a photographic camera or scratches on a window; if there are not too many of them, they fade just enough so as not to appear on the photograph." [1]
In this article, disc depth seems only to be discussed in terms of durability (resistance to the inevitable dust/scratches/fingerprints and protection of the data layer), not focal length (said inevitable damage being out of focus).
(Let me qualify the word "inevitable" by stating that I handle discs very carefully. I try to avoid touching the bottom surface of the disc, I keep my discs in their case or sleeve or other environ with minimal dust, and clean as needed. I am amazed at how infrequently I have to clean discs considering their tight spec and how much they can take before they become unreadable.) ( 168.28.44.159 ( talk) 22:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) ( 24.98.235.224 ( talk) 01:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC))
According to NPD, which excluded sales of PS3 or Xbox 360 units, the standalone sales of HD DVd and Blu-ray players are essentially tied. 49% HD DVD and 49% Bluray.
Revenue was 37% for HD DVD and 58% for Blu ray standalone players, due to higher profit margins on BD machines. Link: http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/01/23/npd-confirms-huge-blu-ray-share-jump/
"Perhaps the most interesting news was the total numbers for 2007. While we have been lead to believe that HD DVD has had higher standalone sales all year, the NPD totals show the unit sales were the same for both formats, each with 49% of the unit share, however Blu-ray Disc players had 58% of the revenue compared to HD DVD with only 37%. The remaining 2% unit sales were the combo players, with 5% of the revenue for 2007." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theaveng ( talk • contribs) 13:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
There's a lot in the article about HD DVD vs Blu-Ray and how they stack up vs each other, but what about total home video marketshare? Can anyone find a source for that? I've had no luck so far. Ace of Sevens ( talk) 22:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
HMM just published a story saying that HD media hit $260m last year, whereas all of DVD is over $24b. So software is a bit over 10% according to those numbers ( http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom020308/index.php?startpage=14) Peter Torr (MSFT) ( talk) 17:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
UK News: Woolworth's drops HD DVD on March 1st (Woolworth's operates 820 retail stores in the UK).
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/woolworths-demoting-hd-dvd-players-to-online-sales-only/
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=897
"After analyzing Christmastime sales data, UK retailer Woolworth's has decided to drop their in-store support for HD DVD, and will be featuring Blu-ray players and discs only beginning in March. Blu-ray titles held a sales advantage of 10-to-1 over its rival at Woolworth's 820 retail locations, and as the largest retailer of high definition discs in the UK, they are taking a stand against the format war."
Denzelio ( talk) 19:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
-- w_tanoto ( talk) 21:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I added the section using the press release (per W Tanoto above). Barte ( talk) 18:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
At the risk of stepping into a fire (I have no opinion either way on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD -- someone just sent me a link to the image -- but I noticed the huge and heated discussions on this page), I want to point out that the pie chart could have one major change to make it much more usable. Grouping all the reds and the blues together would make it easier to see the overall shares of both formats. As it stands now, the formats are intermixed and the chart has no numbers, so it's somewhat difficult to eyeball that basic fact. 96.232.213.203 ( talk) 19:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it would fit in this article or not, but is there a particular reason why both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD editions of films previously released to standard DVD often omit special features? I was quite disappointed to discover that the Blu-Ray edition of Resident Evil: Apocalypse omitted the gag reel included on the DVD release (as well as I think a couple of other features but I haven't been able to do a side-by-side comparison). In fact, when the first BR and HD-DVD discs came out, one of the criticisms was how they tended to be vanilla while the DVD had all the goodies. Is there a technological flaw preventing the two new formats from containing all the bonus features seen on DVD releases, or is there an issue with licensing. And if so, does one format have the edge over the other in that regard? 23skidoo ( talk) 17:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Since CH DVD is out in China, and both HD DVD and Blu Ray players are being sold in Asia, should we add a section about studios that support either formats in Asia? -- Elven6 ( talk) 17:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Does Blu-ray disc support 30p? I never knew that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.134.12.11 ( talk) 05:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a {{ dubious}} notice in the technical details comparison table, next to the frame rate for DVD, which is currently shown as " 50/60i". This template has a link to a section called "Frame Rate RfC". Neither such a section nor any other discussion about frame rates seems to to exist, either here or in the archives. What's going on? Brian Jason Drake 09:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
i saw someone added that they are dropping HD DVD. I tried to do some quick research and all I found was this Blu Ray or HD DVD? Half of our customers will be disappointed whichever way it goes says Dixons.co.uk. Any source stating they are dropping HD DVD players? Otherwise it should be removed. PaleAqua ( talk) 18:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I have seen some unconfirmed rumours being added. I am not sure the truth in gamerthoughts or whatever the name is, and it's a blog. It's not reported on blu-ray.com, hidefdigest.com, or engadgethd.com. I am considering removing it. The table with the list of studios, IMO, should stay. -- w_tanoto ( talk) 14:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Alright so DVD town had a interview with Warner Bros, about wheater or not they will still produce old titles on HD DVD (reprinting them), Warner then said it will produce titles on HD DVD for as long as their is demand! [2]-- Elven6 ( talk) 22:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Release: new disc produced Supply: disc already produced, just need to supply it to retailer.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 23:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
They state new HD DVD's may be created, this could also included newer titles aswell. -- Elven6 ( talk) 01:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes the article is about restocking, but Warner mentions creating HD DVD's aswell if consumers demand it, key word created! Their not clear on wheater they will create new titles or just the old ones. Give it some time though, more info will become available.
should we add this?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib77125d96b22e86027d0bfb0c25aa58d http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=12100
normally I don't believe rumours, but these rumours are somewhat different, and published by credible sources.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 01:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Alot of storys get picked up all over the place that turn out to be false, remember the the 360 ultimate, the psp phone, the universal switch at the end of 07, etc -- Elven6 ( talk) 16:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080216/media_nm/toshiba_hd_dvd_exit_dc Another place reporting. Axem Titanium ( talk) 16:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/15/wal-mart-to-officially-discontinue-hd-dvd-sales-by-june/ by june, no HD DVD in walmart. It begins now and ended by june-- w_tanoto ( talk) 17:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Just making folks aware that there's an High definition optical disc format war article now, so feel free to help out there. =) — Locke Cole • t • c 08:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=12112 not sure where to add this since the porn section is gone.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 11:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The rumors are beyond pervasive. Toshiba is pulling the plug. There are unnamed sources everywhere and Toshiba itself isn't responding. But until Toshiba makes it official, it's not "official". So please, if you want to talk about the pending doom of HD DVD, cite soume souces--Reuters, PC World....there's plenty to choose from. But don't just "officially" take it upon yourself to declare the war over. Thanks. Barte ( talk) 19:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Due to recent events the studio support picture needs to be re-colored or removed.
For instance Universal switches to Blu ray, so no-longer the red color for Universal.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1007
Denzelio ( talk) 18:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Isn't Universal going Blu-ray exclusive - CNET News says Universal is "dropping HD DVD". I'm not sure. Remstar ( talk) 21:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Paramount just went Blu-ray. Link to Reuters: [4] Please update the studio support pie graph. Here is the link to CNET about Universal aswell [5]. Thanks. Remstar ( talk) 06:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for updating the image, Locke - I am looking at the Universal/Paramount release schedule details as soon as they appear. (Can't wait to get Apollo 13 on Blu-ray!) Remstar ( talk) 11:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:High_definition_optical_disc_format_war#Merge_Articles -- w_tanoto ( talk) 19:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
First I checked all the references in it, they are either dont exist or show completely differnt prices. I this it's a bad idea to refer a daily changing retailer pages form an encyclopedia anyway. I suggest to remove this table, as it is basically cannot be proven by any of the links, and hence is a lie. Andru nl ( talk) 21:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Now that Paramount has said they will again release on Blu-ray, Paramount will now need to be turned purple in the 'Studio Support Picture.
http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2118265320080221
Denzelio ( talk) 07:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
It appears the last HD DVD exclusive company Weinstein has become Blu-ray exclusive, and so Weinstein needs to be turned blue in the Studio Support picture. Although they have not yet stated they are Blu-ray exclusive it is already clear they will not bring out any more HD DVD.
Through the first several months of last year, Genius was releasing titles in HD DVD, but has stalled since then.
“Whether its Blu-ray or HD DVD…that was solved today that HD DVD backed out,” said Genius CEO Trevor Drinkwater during the company’s presentation at the Roth Capital Partners event. “Blu-ray is the last format in, and that has cleared the way for the industry to get aggressive around next generation DVD.”
A spokesman for Genius said there weren’t immediate plans for the company to specify its high-definition strategy. Drinkwater likewise did not detail upcoming Genius high-def releases during his speech.
http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=blog&blog_id=830000483&blog_post_id=570022257
The Weinstein Company holds 70% stake of Genius Products, which releases all of The Weinstein Company's movies on DVD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weinstein_Company
Denzelio ( talk) 07:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Is the pie chart still correct? I thought Universal was 100% blu-ray now? -- Ysangkok ( talk) 16:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
For the non-technical, perhaps the introduction could list the most significant advantages and disadvantages of each format? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to start either an edit war or controversy so I'm asking here before I make any changes. This image HighDefShare6.svg before Toshiba indicated the HD War had ended had Paramount and Universal as purely HD. Now obviously these companies are now adopting BluRay as a distribution format as they want to distribute to their customers in the best available format ( Here shows they made the decision after the end of the format war). Where I'm going with this is.... Shouldn't the graph provide an indication of how the market was split prior to the announcement Toshiba made with a comment stating this was how the market was split before the format war ended? Chappy T C 19:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
the table is getting rather messy. i cleaned that up, such as removing personal point of view comments "may soon drop suppport". See WP:NPOV. It is understood that universal studio's plan is in flux, but that does not meansa personal point of view should be stated. Besides, it has already been stated in the article itself that universal is undecided of what to do with HD DVD.-- w_tanoto ( talk) 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The source for Image:HighDefSales.svg is not accurate, the information in the source does not reflect the information provided on the image. JayKeaton ( talk) 20:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Per the merge discussion, it has been suggested that this article be restricted to the technical comparisons (the material mostly at the top), while Format War would cover....the history and aftermath of the format war, which I think it now largely does. This would be a big change, involving some serious deleting at this end. I'm willing to apply an eraser, but only if there is no objection. Barte ( talk) 15:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I changed the {{merge}} tag to the {{otheruses4}} tag at the top of both articles. If no one objects, I'll start nibbling away at some of the redundant/outdated material here. Barte ( talk) 20:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to Harumphy for making a final, big delete. There may be some sawdust to sweep, but the place looks remodeled. Barte ( talk) 20:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Given CBHD is an active format, and HD DVD isn't, wouldn't it make sense to include it in this table? I'd do it myself but the details of CBHD seem to be difficult to obtain right now. -- 66.149.58.8 ( talk) 13:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Mandatory Video: Chinese AVS
Optional Video: same as HD-DVD
Mandatory Audio: DKAA audio system
Optional Audio: same as HD-DVD
Both Secondary Video and Audio are optional
No interactivity (as of yet)
Internet support is mandatory
Framerates are same as HD-DVD
DRM is proprietary mandatory support on players but not discs
No region codes,
Does this help 66? —Preceding
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FWIW, I believe DKAA is the name of the encryption system, not the audio system, which is the AVS codec DRA. Interactivity is provided via the CTEC system. While I have references for some of the above (I added much of it to CBHD myself) things like the Internet support, optionality of DRM, framerates, etc, are things I can't find external references for (thus making them unverifiable.) What we need are authoritative sites with this kind of information in it. -- 66.149.58.8 ( talk) 22:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The second paragraph doesn't seem to be very well written, nor make a great deal of sense (especially the first sentence "AVCHD could be one of the reasons for Blu-ray Disc format to win"). Unfortunately I am not knowledgeable on this topic, but I will at least have a go at improving it from a purely English language point of view. StarDelta ( talk) 14:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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