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The lists of supported architectures and supported file systems, the kernel type, the type of update management, etc. are on the "Comparison of operating systems" page and here. That runs the risk of the lists going out of sync. Guy Harris 21:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The information about the BSDs and UFS/UFS2/ffs is confusing. I know that Open doesn't yet have UFS2, but does Free really have no UFS? And is ffs really unique to Open? -- Oneiros 00:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
First of all, note that there has already been a discussion of what qualifies as an integrated GUI, which Guy Harris kindly linked to above. While X is developed in the OpenBSD source tree, it's installation does not fall under the "recommended" category, as the system is perfectly usable without it, and even if you do install it, by default it does not start when the system is booted. Also note that OpenBSD is still listed as not having an integrated GUI in the Comparison of operating systems article. (Also, sorry to revert your changes on the picture alignment and placement, NicM, but the logos really should be in the logos section. Also, your way made the CSS break in my browser, making the "edit" for the philosophies section overlap with other text.) Armedblowfish 14:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Much of the information in this article comes from other Wikipedia articles. Should we tell the other articles they need citations as well? Or can we cite those articles? Armedblowfish 16:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this article needs to have the fat cut off it. Listing things like PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are wrong, since they are not complete operating systems, rather they are packaged releases of FreeBSD. They follow the releases and do only minor GUI work. Listing things like Micro/ekkoBSD are also unneeded, since neither exists anymore, both were short-lived projects of ego with no actual programmers involved. MirOS, though hardly noteworthy is at least it's own project and still being developed. Firefly too is another which doesn't really merit mention, since it's a packaged Dragonfly BSD. Anyways, I had to get that off my chest, since this article isn't looking too useful with all the clutter in it. 65.94.57.226 21:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Firefly BSD looks dead too. Secretlondon 04:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The subsection External links should be renamed to something different, like "Further reading", "Other sources", etc, as it is standard to name External links to the section where the user can check the topic in discussion (in example, home page of the topic). I also suggest moving all the home pages for the distributions that are right now in the subsection in a new External links, so that the user can visit any of the distros pages. If possible, move as many of the subsection links into inline links. Other than that, the article is well referenced. -- ReyBrujo 17:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
In case there's any doubt over whether SunOS 4 incorporated System V compatibility while being largely based on 4.3BSD, here's a manpage from SunOS 4.1.3. Letdorf 13:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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So if this comparison is to include SunOS, I think it should also include JunOS, the operating system shipped with Juniper Networks' J-, M- and E-series routers.
You can find official references about the links between BSD and JunOS in the following paper: Optimizing Routing Software for Reliable Internet Growth section 7, JunOS origins in FreeBSD http://www.juniper.net/solutions/literature/white_papers/200003.pdf
This is a specialized OS but it's probably more popular than many of the other BSD variant described in this article. 213.41.155.24 09:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
At least concerning NetBSD, secunia appears to be offering only obsolete security information, as the NetBSD-version in consideration is the long since superceded 1.x-branch. This should be fixed somehow, I guess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ddenbrok ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC).
If having support for BSD syscalls makes Tru64 UNIX a BSD OS, wouldn't SVR4 and all its derivatives also be BSD OSes?-- NapoliRoma 13:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone like the suggestion that the lists should be organized between still supported BSD forks and unsupported/dead projects? I'll say the same to the Linux page as well, but I'm definetely not going to touch that page, too many distros over there. Orthuberra 21:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
FreeBSD does support NX in FreeBSD -CURRENT since April 6, 2007. So it is probably good to update "Data execution prevention" section.
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FreeBSD: Of these 4 vulnerabilities, 3 are local denial of service -- everyone can decide for themselves if these should be listed. To have 0 vulnerabilities for PC-BSD and MidnightBSD seems unbelievable under these circumstances as they are both based on FreeBSD 6 (and not 5 as the link for PC-BSD indicates -- PC-BSD never even was). What does MidnightBSD do here anyhow -- do you want to list DesktopBSD, FreeSBIE, etc., too? Just because Secunia does not list NetBSD or DragonFly does not make this number 0 for them, either. What is this information based on? Their own reports? Since FreeBSD does not release security advisories for local denial of service attacks, it should have a 0 there, too, if that is what counts. OpenBSD does have 1 unfixed vulnerability since 2007-08-16 ("local users to bypass certain security restrictions") at Secunia. Where does the 0 come from if it is "updated daily"? This whole column seems to be completely useless and should be removed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.115.192 ( talk) 17:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, instead of updating the figures every day, which seems rather stupid to me, why not put a mention of the existence of the Distrowatch rankings and be done, huh? Because y'all are wasting disk space and burning daylight, eh. And your mother dresses you funny.
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I looked at the page source for the table with the column "Primary API", and I could not figure out why under MidnightBSD "X11" is not capitalized. This is minor, but any detail should be perfected. Thanks!
OliveBSD redirects here. I think it shouldn't. I removed the link to the french page fr:OliveBSD. Bikepunk2 ( talk) 15:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I think they should be removed, because while there is some truth in them it's a fact that all of them are general purpose systems. They care about security and OpenBSD has also a lot of ports to hardware. NetBSD lacks support for some of these platforms. While I'm not sure about OpenBSD they generally aim for performance and of course they want to support SMP on their platforms. Maybe it would be better to replace Aims with slogans and list the exact slogan, but I don't really think this fits a comparison.- Athaba ( talk) 11:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Do you meann Aims lack of rational approach? Agree on that. Slogans and Purposes helped me (a GNU Linux long time desktop and server user) get the point. Should suffice for the majority of newcomers without adding a third layer, IMHO. -- kozaki ( talk) 20:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Unless you are referring to the very first incarnation (pré 1988 kickstart 1.3), the Amiga file system is now called "Fast File System" FFS for short. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Fast_File_System
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I've added "citation needed" to the assertion that "so that vendors do not share their proprietary algorithms" in FreeBSD, in the hope that a citation can be found and the text corrected. Vendors do not share their software-defined radio code because of FCC restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.182.242 ( talk) 10:18, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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On the general information table, it says macOs cost is free for client. Do you have any sources for that? It comes on Apple hardware you buy, but the software isn't available without the hardware for free anywhere that I know. If it is only available by purchasing the hardware, I believe saying it is free is misleading. 200.18.173.102 ( talk) 13:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The second paragraph opening confused me until I read it three times. Any issues with changing "They" to "Most"?
Here it is at 2020-04-02: Most of the current BSD operating systems are open source and available for download, free of charge, under the BSD License, the most notable exceptions being macOS and iOS. They also generally use a monolithic kernel architecture, apart from macOS, iOS, and DragonFly BSD which feature hybrid kernels.
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I was just browsing the edit history of the article & noticed a three edit series which removed MacOS from the article without discussion. The first edit contained the comment "MacOS is not BSD, don't make people confuse. BSD is not broken: the libev authors complain. http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/libev/ev.pod#OS_X_AND_DARWIN_BUGS"
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The lists of supported architectures and supported file systems, the kernel type, the type of update management, etc. are on the "Comparison of operating systems" page and here. That runs the risk of the lists going out of sync. Guy Harris 21:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The information about the BSDs and UFS/UFS2/ffs is confusing. I know that Open doesn't yet have UFS2, but does Free really have no UFS? And is ffs really unique to Open? -- Oneiros 00:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
First of all, note that there has already been a discussion of what qualifies as an integrated GUI, which Guy Harris kindly linked to above. While X is developed in the OpenBSD source tree, it's installation does not fall under the "recommended" category, as the system is perfectly usable without it, and even if you do install it, by default it does not start when the system is booted. Also note that OpenBSD is still listed as not having an integrated GUI in the Comparison of operating systems article. (Also, sorry to revert your changes on the picture alignment and placement, NicM, but the logos really should be in the logos section. Also, your way made the CSS break in my browser, making the "edit" for the philosophies section overlap with other text.) Armedblowfish 14:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Much of the information in this article comes from other Wikipedia articles. Should we tell the other articles they need citations as well? Or can we cite those articles? Armedblowfish 16:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this article needs to have the fat cut off it. Listing things like PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are wrong, since they are not complete operating systems, rather they are packaged releases of FreeBSD. They follow the releases and do only minor GUI work. Listing things like Micro/ekkoBSD are also unneeded, since neither exists anymore, both were short-lived projects of ego with no actual programmers involved. MirOS, though hardly noteworthy is at least it's own project and still being developed. Firefly too is another which doesn't really merit mention, since it's a packaged Dragonfly BSD. Anyways, I had to get that off my chest, since this article isn't looking too useful with all the clutter in it. 65.94.57.226 21:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Firefly BSD looks dead too. Secretlondon 04:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The subsection External links should be renamed to something different, like "Further reading", "Other sources", etc, as it is standard to name External links to the section where the user can check the topic in discussion (in example, home page of the topic). I also suggest moving all the home pages for the distributions that are right now in the subsection in a new External links, so that the user can visit any of the distros pages. If possible, move as many of the subsection links into inline links. Other than that, the article is well referenced. -- ReyBrujo 17:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
In case there's any doubt over whether SunOS 4 incorporated System V compatibility while being largely based on 4.3BSD, here's a manpage from SunOS 4.1.3. Letdorf 13:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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So if this comparison is to include SunOS, I think it should also include JunOS, the operating system shipped with Juniper Networks' J-, M- and E-series routers.
You can find official references about the links between BSD and JunOS in the following paper: Optimizing Routing Software for Reliable Internet Growth section 7, JunOS origins in FreeBSD http://www.juniper.net/solutions/literature/white_papers/200003.pdf
This is a specialized OS but it's probably more popular than many of the other BSD variant described in this article. 213.41.155.24 09:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
At least concerning NetBSD, secunia appears to be offering only obsolete security information, as the NetBSD-version in consideration is the long since superceded 1.x-branch. This should be fixed somehow, I guess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ddenbrok ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC).
If having support for BSD syscalls makes Tru64 UNIX a BSD OS, wouldn't SVR4 and all its derivatives also be BSD OSes?-- NapoliRoma 13:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone like the suggestion that the lists should be organized between still supported BSD forks and unsupported/dead projects? I'll say the same to the Linux page as well, but I'm definetely not going to touch that page, too many distros over there. Orthuberra 21:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
FreeBSD does support NX in FreeBSD -CURRENT since April 6, 2007. So it is probably good to update "Data execution prevention" section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit#FreeBSD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.222.21.198 ( talk) 23:42:19, August 18, 2007 (UTC)
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FreeBSD: Of these 4 vulnerabilities, 3 are local denial of service -- everyone can decide for themselves if these should be listed. To have 0 vulnerabilities for PC-BSD and MidnightBSD seems unbelievable under these circumstances as they are both based on FreeBSD 6 (and not 5 as the link for PC-BSD indicates -- PC-BSD never even was). What does MidnightBSD do here anyhow -- do you want to list DesktopBSD, FreeSBIE, etc., too? Just because Secunia does not list NetBSD or DragonFly does not make this number 0 for them, either. What is this information based on? Their own reports? Since FreeBSD does not release security advisories for local denial of service attacks, it should have a 0 there, too, if that is what counts. OpenBSD does have 1 unfixed vulnerability since 2007-08-16 ("local users to bypass certain security restrictions") at Secunia. Where does the 0 come from if it is "updated daily"? This whole column seems to be completely useless and should be removed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.115.192 ( talk) 17:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, instead of updating the figures every day, which seems rather stupid to me, why not put a mention of the existence of the Distrowatch rankings and be done, huh? Because y'all are wasting disk space and burning daylight, eh. And your mother dresses you funny.
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I looked at the page source for the table with the column "Primary API", and I could not figure out why under MidnightBSD "X11" is not capitalized. This is minor, but any detail should be perfected. Thanks!
OliveBSD redirects here. I think it shouldn't. I removed the link to the french page fr:OliveBSD. Bikepunk2 ( talk) 15:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I think they should be removed, because while there is some truth in them it's a fact that all of them are general purpose systems. They care about security and OpenBSD has also a lot of ports to hardware. NetBSD lacks support for some of these platforms. While I'm not sure about OpenBSD they generally aim for performance and of course they want to support SMP on their platforms. Maybe it would be better to replace Aims with slogans and list the exact slogan, but I don't really think this fits a comparison.- Athaba ( talk) 11:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Do you meann Aims lack of rational approach? Agree on that. Slogans and Purposes helped me (a GNU Linux long time desktop and server user) get the point. Should suffice for the majority of newcomers without adding a third layer, IMHO. -- kozaki ( talk) 20:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Unless you are referring to the very first incarnation (pré 1988 kickstart 1.3), the Amiga file system is now called "Fast File System" FFS for short. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Fast_File_System
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I've added "citation needed" to the assertion that "so that vendors do not share their proprietary algorithms" in FreeBSD, in the hope that a citation can be found and the text corrected. Vendors do not share their software-defined radio code because of FCC restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.182.242 ( talk) 10:18, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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On the general information table, it says macOs cost is free for client. Do you have any sources for that? It comes on Apple hardware you buy, but the software isn't available without the hardware for free anywhere that I know. If it is only available by purchasing the hardware, I believe saying it is free is misleading. 200.18.173.102 ( talk) 13:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The second paragraph opening confused me until I read it three times. Any issues with changing "They" to "Most"?
Here it is at 2020-04-02: Most of the current BSD operating systems are open source and available for download, free of charge, under the BSD License, the most notable exceptions being macOS and iOS. They also generally use a monolithic kernel architecture, apart from macOS, iOS, and DragonFly BSD which feature hybrid kernels.
Suggestion: Most of the current BSD operating systems are open source and available for download, free of charge, under the BSD License, the most notable exceptions being macOS and iOS. Most also generally use a monolithic kernel architecture, apart from macOS, iOS, and DragonFly BSD which feature hybrid kernels. Richardh9935 ( talk) 03:57, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
I was just browsing the edit history of the article & noticed a three edit series which removed MacOS from the article without discussion. The first edit contained the comment "MacOS is not BSD, don't make people confuse. BSD is not broken: the libev authors complain. http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/libev/ev.pod#OS_X_AND_DARWIN_BUGS"
I find this change disturbing. Unfortunately the removed text didn't seem to have any references so I don't feel confident restoring it without checking.
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