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On 27 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Companions of Muhammad. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
Moved. See well-supported rename suggestion from 2015, so this request is granted. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Sahabah → Companions of the Prophet – The page should be under the common English name: Companions of the Prophet, a term that has been in use to translate Sahabah in to English for centuries. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 13:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC) – Note: this request made formal by Ammarpad ( talk) 07:21, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
@ E.M.Gregory, Ammarpad, Khestwol, LlywelynII, Saff V., and Vice regent: Aside from the fact that Muslims regard Muhammad as the last of the Prophets, I must ask, how is "Companions of the Prophet" WP:neutral, considering that the majority of people, that is non-Muslims with the exception of Bahais, do not consider Muhammad to be a prophet? Leo1pard ( talk) 16:46, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is an unending deadlock between the applicabilities of WP:PRECISE vs. WP:COMMONNAME in this case. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 07:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Companions of the Prophet → Companions of Muhammad – I understand the rationale that "companions of the Prophet" is a widely-used term in literature, but I think we should be wary of describing any religious leader as "the Prophet" in Wikivoice. Similar concerns seem to have been raised on the talk page a while ago, so I think this warrants wider discussion. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 17:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 22:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
"representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic."Now the reliable sources for this subject favour the term that is the current title by a ratio of more than 10:1 versus sources that do not use it. The current title is already NPOV with respect to reliable sources. Those citing NPOV need to explain their take on the sourcing. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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On 27 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Companions of Muhammad. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
Moved. See well-supported rename suggestion from 2015, so this request is granted. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Sahabah → Companions of the Prophet – The page should be under the common English name: Companions of the Prophet, a term that has been in use to translate Sahabah in to English for centuries. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 13:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC) – Note: this request made formal by Ammarpad ( talk) 07:21, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
@ E.M.Gregory, Ammarpad, Khestwol, LlywelynII, Saff V., and Vice regent: Aside from the fact that Muslims regard Muhammad as the last of the Prophets, I must ask, how is "Companions of the Prophet" WP:neutral, considering that the majority of people, that is non-Muslims with the exception of Bahais, do not consider Muhammad to be a prophet? Leo1pard ( talk) 16:46, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 07:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is an unending deadlock between the applicabilities of WP:PRECISE vs. WP:COMMONNAME in this case. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 07:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Companions of the Prophet → Companions of Muhammad – I understand the rationale that "companions of the Prophet" is a widely-used term in literature, but I think we should be wary of describing any religious leader as "the Prophet" in Wikivoice. Similar concerns seem to have been raised on the talk page a while ago, so I think this warrants wider discussion. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 17:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 22:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
"representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic."Now the reliable sources for this subject favour the term that is the current title by a ratio of more than 10:1 versus sources that do not use it. The current title is already NPOV with respect to reliable sources. Those citing NPOV need to explain their take on the sourcing. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)