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Mikkali- I noticed you've associated communitarianism with communalism. I really cannot speak for communalism, as I've never heard of it, but I think the opening sentence of this article doesn't quite apply to communitarians, that it puts the interests of the community above those of the individual. I think it is better said that they believe the best way to serve the interests of the individual is through the interests of the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan Ponderas ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 31 October 2004 (UTC)
But like I said, I am not interested in the subject and cannot contribute much. I only added a missing article. Thank you for your suggestion. Mikkalai 07:59, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Cheers, Tasks you can do 22:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Spade ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
There is no such person as Marcus Acquinas, which undermines the validity of this entry. Is it a spelling error? A Google search shows that the only references to that name lead back to this Wikipedia entry, so the error is spreading like a virus. I searched on Questia which is the largest online library and received no hits for this name. (GCS) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.248.108 ( talk) 10:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Worldview Theory is relevant because there are social systems of interaction associated with each of the three major worldviews. These systems of interaction contain the Values, Interests and Principles (VIP's) of the geographic locations and their attendant ethnic groups.
1. Central Worldviwe (African) = Communalism 2. Eastern Worldvieww (Asian) = Communalism 3. Western Worldview (Caucasian) = Individualism (e.g. rugged individualism of the West) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aunk ( talk • contribs) 17:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Should this article cover the enviromental philosophy of social ecology to help give context to what Communalism is as a political system to complement it, or is it suffeciant to have a link to the social ecology page in the header of the article?
Teknolyze ( talk) 21:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I propose that this article might be merged into Communalism. They are literally about the same thing. - Ɍưɳŋınɢ 20:43, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I propose that the article Communalism (political philosophy) be merged into this one. They are literally about the same thing. - Ɍưɳŋınɢ 20:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
It seems that there are two pages representing the same general theme [Communalism (political philosophy)] so it seems like they should be merged. This one seems less accurate in some respects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus Freedman ( talk • contribs) 11:27, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The citation for the quote " Murray Bookchin, defines communalism as "a theory of government or a system of government in which independent communes participate in a federation", as well as "the principles and practice of communal ownership" does not seem to support the conclusion that this is how Bookchin defined communalism, but rather it is a dictionary definition he quoted which he explained is inadequate and contrary to the libertarian socialist sense of communalism - which does not involve a State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus Freedman ( talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The article contains sweeping generalizations and unsubstantiated claims. The paragraph copied below, which appears in the introduction, includes one vague reference (Collected Works of Karl Marx), without even providing a page number. Also the word 'practice' seems to be misspelled.
Many historical communities practicing utopian socialism or anarchist communism did implement internal rules of communalist property ownership in the context of federated communalism. It is at least theoretically possible for a federation of communes to include communes which do not practice communalist rules of property, which is to say, that the overall national government may be a federation of communes, but that private property rather than communalist property is the order within each such commune. Karl Marx, often viewed as the founder of modern communism, criticized older forms, including primitive communism and/or utopian socialism, as poorly conceived and/or prone to disintegration in practise.[4]
The point above about Marx being the 'founder of modern communism' seems problematic as well. Long before Marx, you had revolutionaries like Babeuf who advocated communal property. Do you mean to say Marx developed (or gave a) theoretical basis to modern socialist/communist thought via his labour theory of value? Even so, Marx was quick to distance himself from such praise. As he pointed out in a letter:
"And now as to myself, no credit is due to me for discovering the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them. Long before me bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this class struggle and bourgeois economists, the economic economy of the classes. What I did that was new was to prove: (1) that the existence of classes is only bound up with particular historical phases in the development of production (historische Entwicklungsphasen der Production), (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat,[1] (3) that this dictatorship itself only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.66.37 ( talk) 17:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Why does this sound awfully familiar to the pre-colonial Igbo form of government? Is it really a new philosophy if it has already been implemented in some way? Do they not deserve a mention in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.24.148.8 ( talk) 12:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Janosabel ( talk) 21:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Exact same topic. Septrillion ( talk) 00:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
WP:BOLDly moving forward with merger. Has been proposed multiple times without any objection whatsoever. Septrillion ( talk) 23:54, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Mikkali- I noticed you've associated communitarianism with communalism. I really cannot speak for communalism, as I've never heard of it, but I think the opening sentence of this article doesn't quite apply to communitarians, that it puts the interests of the community above those of the individual. I think it is better said that they believe the best way to serve the interests of the individual is through the interests of the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan Ponderas ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 31 October 2004 (UTC)
But like I said, I am not interested in the subject and cannot contribute much. I only added a missing article. Thank you for your suggestion. Mikkalai 07:59, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Cheers, Tasks you can do 22:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Spade ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
There is no such person as Marcus Acquinas, which undermines the validity of this entry. Is it a spelling error? A Google search shows that the only references to that name lead back to this Wikipedia entry, so the error is spreading like a virus. I searched on Questia which is the largest online library and received no hits for this name. (GCS) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.248.108 ( talk) 10:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Worldview Theory is relevant because there are social systems of interaction associated with each of the three major worldviews. These systems of interaction contain the Values, Interests and Principles (VIP's) of the geographic locations and their attendant ethnic groups.
1. Central Worldviwe (African) = Communalism 2. Eastern Worldvieww (Asian) = Communalism 3. Western Worldview (Caucasian) = Individualism (e.g. rugged individualism of the West) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aunk ( talk • contribs) 17:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Should this article cover the enviromental philosophy of social ecology to help give context to what Communalism is as a political system to complement it, or is it suffeciant to have a link to the social ecology page in the header of the article?
Teknolyze ( talk) 21:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I propose that this article might be merged into Communalism. They are literally about the same thing. - Ɍưɳŋınɢ 20:43, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I propose that the article Communalism (political philosophy) be merged into this one. They are literally about the same thing. - Ɍưɳŋınɢ 20:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
It seems that there are two pages representing the same general theme [Communalism (political philosophy)] so it seems like they should be merged. This one seems less accurate in some respects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus Freedman ( talk • contribs) 11:27, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The citation for the quote " Murray Bookchin, defines communalism as "a theory of government or a system of government in which independent communes participate in a federation", as well as "the principles and practice of communal ownership" does not seem to support the conclusion that this is how Bookchin defined communalism, but rather it is a dictionary definition he quoted which he explained is inadequate and contrary to the libertarian socialist sense of communalism - which does not involve a State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus Freedman ( talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The article contains sweeping generalizations and unsubstantiated claims. The paragraph copied below, which appears in the introduction, includes one vague reference (Collected Works of Karl Marx), without even providing a page number. Also the word 'practice' seems to be misspelled.
Many historical communities practicing utopian socialism or anarchist communism did implement internal rules of communalist property ownership in the context of federated communalism. It is at least theoretically possible for a federation of communes to include communes which do not practice communalist rules of property, which is to say, that the overall national government may be a federation of communes, but that private property rather than communalist property is the order within each such commune. Karl Marx, often viewed as the founder of modern communism, criticized older forms, including primitive communism and/or utopian socialism, as poorly conceived and/or prone to disintegration in practise.[4]
The point above about Marx being the 'founder of modern communism' seems problematic as well. Long before Marx, you had revolutionaries like Babeuf who advocated communal property. Do you mean to say Marx developed (or gave a) theoretical basis to modern socialist/communist thought via his labour theory of value? Even so, Marx was quick to distance himself from such praise. As he pointed out in a letter:
"And now as to myself, no credit is due to me for discovering the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them. Long before me bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this class struggle and bourgeois economists, the economic economy of the classes. What I did that was new was to prove: (1) that the existence of classes is only bound up with particular historical phases in the development of production (historische Entwicklungsphasen der Production), (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat,[1] (3) that this dictatorship itself only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.66.37 ( talk) 17:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Why does this sound awfully familiar to the pre-colonial Igbo form of government? Is it really a new philosophy if it has already been implemented in some way? Do they not deserve a mention in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.24.148.8 ( talk) 12:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Janosabel ( talk) 21:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Exact same topic. Septrillion ( talk) 00:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
WP:BOLDly moving forward with merger. Has been proposed multiple times without any objection whatsoever. Septrillion ( talk) 23:54, 5 March 2018 (UTC)