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I would say that around 90% of this article is unreferenced and unverified - most of it leaning towards being original research - especially the section of speculation on the 'third faction'. Also, the huge list of fansites is not appropriate, as wikipedia is not a link farm or indiscriminate collection of links and guidelines advise against adding fansites. I will gladly discuss what can be done to improve the article, but if substantial changes aren't made, I will simply delete any unsourced and unverified claims in a few days. - Localzuk (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Reason :- A very Popular and most contributed site.
Reason :- Very Old site has contributed a lot to C&C.
Reason :- This site has also lot of information. EA developers are watching the forum.
Reason :- Very Old site has contributed a lot to C&C.
Reason :- Has contributed a lot to C&C.
Reason :- Has contributed a lot to C&C. Those are views. How much information do they need?. If they want to know more they can go their. It is reliable. -- SkyWalker 00:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Think about the section where tiberium could be a third side should be removed because in 19 december EA tells us about the third side so there should be no speculation. 82.114.81.148 22:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC) 20:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
As this article is about a future release, I think there should be a little more leeway allowed for the inclusion of fansites as external links. However we do seem to be going over the top a little. We really need to trim the list down to 4 or so links to such sites. I propose that we include the ones with the most information and get rid of those that just seem to be repeats of press releases and screenshots that all of them have.- Localzuk (talk) 10:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
My 2 cents fellas. I propose CommandConquer3.com which is solely dedicated to CNC3 Tiberium Wars, has quality unique content, news, unit/building info, forums, blog, actor info and is frequently updated etc. Cheers! .- HealthyIsabelle (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2006
I have just read a blog from Mike Verdu explaining that EA has changed several things in the game due to the fans complaints including the return of blue tiberium, visceroids,and mutants. So I'm asking, are they listening and is that a good sign for the game? NODfanatic 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe some of the development team is using the EA prayer too NODfanatic 17:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
please somebody traslate this article to spanish wikipedy (and other lenguajes to, of course) i love that C&C
Is it right to say that there the new juggernaut should be called with MK3 is it really MK3 i think only the mammoth is MK3 so is it good to change it from the article. 82.114.81.148 18:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I wish EA the best of luck with this new game and have a lot of faith in this new game; Things such as the lack of units and small details such as the roof on the pitbull are details that will probobly be resolved before the game is released. Rob Gyergyek 18:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Well where is here the main purpose for the article as mentioned here this should be page only for the aticle for the game not personal ideas.
CABAL
82.114.81.148
21:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Please can editors realise that this talk page is here to discuss the contents of the article, not to discuss what you personally think of the game and it's changes. Please take this sort of talk elsewhere as it is not appropriate. Thanks, Localzuk (talk) 13:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The article has the NOD Avatar listed as both an infantry and armored unit. I was wondering if that is correct or is it one of them. NODfanatic 17:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes indeed this should be changed because it is not a lifeform it is a mech unit so it is not an infanry unit so change it. 82.114.81.148 18:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, I went ahead and changed it just so that theres no confusion. NODfanatic 00:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that the juggernaut needs to deploy,so its legs get wider as the unit wants to attack. And the avatar mech is something like a core defender because the laser cannon at the right hand looks like an mobile obelisk cannon.This could be noticed to the article. 82.114.81.150 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
However I seem to remember GDI's wolverene (sp) that was built in the war factory yet had infantry dialog....
Earlier today I removed the lists of individual units and structures but left the general descriptions. An anonymous user then reverted by edit, stating that it was "far too radical". I'm referring to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, specifically "That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia.". They make the article look amateurish and unstructured, simply not encyclopedic but fansite'ish. I'm posting my views here because I'm trying to avoid an edit war. -- ZeroOne ( talk | @) 21:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I reject!The article can be only full and correct at the time when the game comes out.That means you could remove and order any thing but if you have no info you have nothing to change.This article is referred to a game so why all this talk and here should be a change in the article so I think there should be more screenshots so users can be amazed form the game and article itself. 82.114.81.148 17:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I do not relay on the screenshots I say that I saw the article about the game Warhammer Mark of Chaos it had screenshots so I thought it could be good to have also this article screenshots that is all.And the game it is not finished so perfection could lack so also the article about the game Warhammer Mark of Chaos is about a game that is finished and it has more screenshots than this one.Can you tell me this? 82.114.68.30 12:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Not all units can be seen in the screenshots but some of them,but then why are there in Warhammer Mark of Chaos screenshots? Some things are unsure and uncertain so the article can have problems.Then if you think so there should be no unit info for the game nor its buildings and, the game also has no screenshots,then also if you plan to cut out those units lists you may shorten the "Concern over Development"issue,its is too long and the game should not be connected with history of the game or something.There should be just short info for the game as you all intend to this idea and begin to a make a discussion war than your word should be made and the rule of Wikipedia.
82.114.68.30
13:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I know you know the rules of Wikipedia so you should not mean this "Begin to a make a discussion war than your word should be made and the rule of Wikipedia" as a an personal attack.I just ment your word is the more correct one so as it considers the Wikipedia rules and I started to make a discussion war with my ideas wich might cross the wiki rules,but honestly why all this war.
82.114.68.30
13:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
It has already been changed so what? Also I prefer that the only screenshot should be changed that to one that tells us about the game not just two mammoths and some buildings or even remove it all.The article it self needs to be shortened the article should be compact and about the units lists do whatsoever you so like to do change it,remove it whatever you like and think it is wonderful.
82.114.68.30
14:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
And I think it is a dicussion war.Why? Only discussing about just one user thoughts about the article,what it would be good and bad to change.I only am trying to make a better article and I am just referring what could be changed and what I prefer to this article this what I say respects the Wiki rules.
82.114.68.30
14:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I think there should be at least two screenshots,one that shows the Nod side and one for the GDI side,so you can see the two sides,an later on probably the third side could get another screenshot.If you do not agree with me,than the only screenshot should be changed to a screenshot that shows both sides an some units too. 82.114.81.150 20:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Do you agree with me?
If you do,then please put those screenshots there.
82.114.81.150
15:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
82.114.81.150 17:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
82.114.81.145 21:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
This really unintellectual.I have been waiting for more than three days and nothing happend,no new screenshots,and the article changes moment by moment,so once with the list and once with no list.This is a encyclopedia.This means no problems with this third class level problems whith no organization.This makes me nervous and unbearable. I hope this could take an end. 82.114.81.145 19:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
This is unbelievable! How could this go normaly so, I am waiting for my ideas for more than 5 days and none answers. has been deleted for an unkind idea 82.114.81.147 22:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This... Well at least you just should have told me that you can not reply.I would consider that,and I would not have started this...those insults.Gentlemen I consider this as a terrible fault.
I considered you as administrators,so you are responsible for the site.Can you explain this to me,how can I get informed that no one is active?So this should not happen again.
I will take your real life to consideration.I have misunderstood that you have ignored my ideas and my posts.
And just one thing,I like the game CNC3 and their developers otherwise this is the cause that turned this to a problem.
82.114.68.27
21:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Please be patient.Maybe this theater from my side,could cause prejudges for me.And I think I draw a bad image for my personality so excuse me for this tough art of writing. 82.114.68.27 22:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
If I would add something,I would surely have problems.And then you now better than I the rules here.Of course I was not informed that you are not an administrator,but you are on an higher rank than me.But you said to complete to add new screenshots to the article.I would never intervene to anyone's work.
82.114.68.27
22:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Its hard to write a good article when very little is known about the topic. much of the stuff is speculation
Rob Gyergyek
16:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to request Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars. Unregistered users and Ip are adding unnecessarily links which has have no value and no information. -- SkyWalker 07:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Calling a site spam that is focused "on topic" and more specific to Tiberium Wars versus the sites listed is really sad. Controlling a page versus keeping it open to quality contributions goes again what Wikipedia is about. Is this page about Tiberium Wars or is it about the Command and Conquer series? Are the other sites listed focused on Tiberium Wars or are they focused on several games? Apparently there are others who have the same opinion resulting in disagreement not spam.
Does Localzuk have any affiliation with the fan sites listed? If he does it should be reflected here as it is relevant to maintaining the integrity of this page.
Do a favor go and read this site, the sites i have given you. Dont read just the site read even the forums and see the valuable content they give. This are the site provide wealth of information and unique and existed from very long time. They are easy to navigate by newbies and loads quickly.
Last i want to say to you is that, Stop adding the site you have being adding. Has it does not provide anything unique. I suggest you to read this and this. SkyWalker 06:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I have now removed the fansites section altogether for the following reasons:
If someone would like to add a dmoz directory link, please do. I think this is the simplest solution to this problem - as no fan sites are promoted or denied promotion through this page now.- Localzuk (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Wow, ContributorMG it looks like there is some real abuse going on here. I agree with adding this site, in fact I did as Localzuk suggested and posted it on the talk page. Apparently no one cared or commented on it then even though thats what the comments said to do. Why?
In regards to external links perhaps you should re-read the Wikipedia page on it. You have taken a one sided view without giving any merit to the other.
Do the words "there is no problem with commercial sites that are useful references. Many major newspaper websites contain heavy advertisement, but they are nonetheless good references" have any interest to you?
Many of the fansites you have listed have advertisements. Why single out one site with some advertisements over others. Very unfortunate. Localzuk perhaps you should remove yourself from this page, it seems your personal bias has clouded your judgement.
Localzuk did you realize that the forums on the site do not require membership? That means that anyone can view the forums and anyone can post. That truly was shortsighted and misrepresenative of you to base your bias on the number of members when membership it is not required. Had you really looked at the site you would have noticed this. An apology would be a good starting point for you...
You can improve this article by placing the relevant external links back. If you continue to put yourself ahead of the quality of this article it only has a negative effect.
Your argument was based on misinformation Localzuk. Nor did you make any effort to apologize or fix your comments. I dont sense any humility here. Its obvious now that you never really looked at the site to begin with. It would be a good idea to put the quality of this page ahead of your bias and need to control.
Anyone can add fansites to this page as you did in the past and as countless others acrosss Wikipedia adding a positive contribution.
"there is no problem with commercial sites that are useful references."
This page will continue to be a back and forth as others besides me want to contribute and disagree with your attempted control over the page Localzuk. I look forward to a long history of future positive contributions to this article.
"If I am wrong about this, I apologise" Now that wasnt so hard was it. Simply said, your actions lately, have degraded this page. The whole point is to improve the content of the article which many have a disagreement on and may continue to disagree on. How can people feel safe contributing to this article knowing you will continue to behave with the edit delete key the way you have? Who has deleted the most contributions on this page so far? Thats something you will have to explain not so much to me but to the people that come after me and read all this. Looking forward to lots of continued dialogue.
Thanks Skywalker. Hahhaha looks like I missed a lot of fun here! Guys dont be too worried about Localzuk and what he has done here. He neither speaks for Wikipedia nor represents it nor controls it. Its not the first time people have disagreed with him and or on Wikipedia for that matter. Feel free to think for yourselves when contributing to this CNC3 page.
Localzuk the DMOZ link is actually a good idea for this page by the way. It links to CNC sites, including fansites, that have "some relevance to the game" despite the removal of the fansites (also described as "a bad thing to include") from this very article. Oh the irony of it all...
It seems to me that the opening to the article is rather redundent. It describes the plot when that is already covered in the section below it. Can someone fix this? -- General Aurum 23:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
unknown third side.Where is the explaination for the third side?
Directly after the "casting" section, describing the cast who will be apearing C&C 3, is the "other known facts" section which opens by saying the FMV sequences will return. Is this realy needed, since it has allready been mentionse? 172.141.25.201 19:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Please can all editors realise that my removal of information is due to the fact that there are banners stating that the page contains original research and unreferenced information. Using policy, all such information can be removed without further explanation - and anyone re-adding it without a citation would be breaking our citation policy. I am trying to reduce the amount of POV material and OR in this article. If I remove something as unsourced, feel free to re-add it, but make sure you provide a reliable source for it else I will likely remove it again. Wikipedia isn't about truth, it is about verifiability. So even if something is correct, unless it is source it has no place on this site. Also, can I remind all editors of the following policies and guidelines: assume good faith and no-one owns the article. If anyone accuses me of 'degrading the page' due to my deletion of unsourced information again it will lower my willingness to work with them on compromises.- Localzuk (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
or post war?Well do you remember my words....Yes and if members do not do something like conclusions or compromises the article will not be improved.But yes,ignoring ideas will hardly make something better.
84.192.112.171 I totally agree with you and disagree with Localzuk. It seems these numbers are growing. After reading this talk page and reviewing the history I think I see what the "degrading" factor is.
Localzuk consider trying harder to work with 84.192.112.171 / others and put the best interest of this page not yourself first. Contradictory and changing statements combined with contradictory actions can only accomplish negative things.
A persons ability to work better with others will only be evident when this talk page, about Command and Conquer 3, has more to do with positive contributions than one person and their deletions. I can only wonder how many people have been discouraged from contributing to this article after looking at all this. The numbers are growing. Should we start a petition on how to improve this page? - HealthyIsabelle (talk) December 21 2006
I've done a bit of digging, and I've relocated the original source on which I based the now disputed Scrin part originally added to the "Sides Overview - Unnamed Alien Race" section of the article by me. (Click on the picture contained within this link to enlarge it.)
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-6265-1147374889.jpg
Reading through this again after all this time, I'll say it seems rather dated to the standards of our current knowledge on the ongoing development of C&C 3, however. Kane's return for example is apparently considered to be a 'question mark' by this source. Conversely, this was rather obviously published with the consent of the game's developer. In order to avoid a renewal of the original dispute between editors which this piece of information previously gave rise to, I'm throwing this out for open discussion/review on whether it can be considered a valid reference or not, so that this becomes settled once and for all. 84.192.112.171 21:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Good job it looks like you have done your homework. How many years has PCGamer been around? How about this author? HealthyIsabelle (talk) December 21 2006
How ironic! 82.114.68.28 20:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems you have began to listen to people
82.114.68.28
21:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC).
Well I am proud ironically of this... 82.114.68.28 15:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
My idea could not even reach to be a topic in this article. It seems this is not a place for me. 82.114.68.28 15:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Also temperament will not help you all make friends. 82.114.68.28 15:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
It can be viewed on the official C&C 3: Tiberium Wars homepage.
http://www.ea.com/commandandconquer/news.jsp?id=17
Could someone so inclined upload this packaging art to Wiki and replace the C&C 3 logo we currently have with it? Thank you. 84.192.126.66 09:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I thought the aliens were called "Scrin" or something of the like... Bioform 1234] jan 2,2007
Out of the four screenshots currently on display in the article which are directly related to C&C 3: Tiberium Wars, there are three that are focussed on the GDI and but one that features the Brotherhood of Nod. Because of this, it may be desirable to replace either the first screenshot featuring the Mammoth Tanks or the concept art of the Zone Troopers with a picture showing in-game footage of the Brotherhood of Nod instead. Personally I'd advocate to have the screenshot of the Mammoth Tanks replaced, as it is rather generic when compared to the Zone Troopers concept art picture. If anyone knows of a few visually interesting in-game screenshots which feature the Brotherhood of Nod, please feel free to upload them to Wikipedia. 84.192.116.92 06:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Why won't he just die?
Ok, that explains a lot. Thanks.
Umm, you can kill the Messia, but he comes back in three days.
I have deleted the background article. I don't feel they is any use of it anymore in this article. The game is going to be released on march 28th. So i feel the article should expand more on the game and should be more readable to all users. I hope everyone agrees it. -- SkyWalker 09:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I was under the impression that the last unit list of this article was deleted under consensus on the grounds that Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. Any thoughts/votes of other users on whether or not we should keep this current list? 84.192.125.204 07:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
People there gained much more knowledge as to what C&C 3 will be. As to the alien name, it will be the scrin, although it is not official yet EA has acknowledged that there was a leak from a Spanish magazine that first reported this and have not denied the report and had talked the name during the Summit. misterdan 04:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Also we should have pictures an details of the preorder and Kane editions. Jamhaw 18:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)jamhaw
While these comments certainly constitute sufficient confirmation for C&C fans such as ourselves, who have been following the official C&C 3 forums over these last few months, the problem which arises is that the content in this article is required to meet Wikipedia's standards regarding verifiability. If - and indeed when - other editors on Wikipedia will begin to request verification on this name of 'Scrin' through the placement of a {{ Fact}} tag, for example, we would presently be unable to offer this to them due to the content of message boards being prohibited as a valid reference link on Wikipedia, as shown in the provided internal link. This is a little unfortunate -- I know. But for now we will need to put this news on hold here on Wiki, until Electronic Arts makes the name of the alien faction official in the more formal sense of the word through updates on their C&C 3 website, or through interviews with established gaming magazines and the like. DieOfGoodLuck 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
While I myself know what BFME2 is, I doubt a lot of people will. Honestly, someone please change the S.R. to something people know. Bfme 2 requirements- 64 Display memory, windows xp or higher, system memory of 256, directx version 9 or higher, and a processor speed of 1600 Mhz (1.6 Ghz). There you have it, straight from electronic arts EasyInfo for the game. Look it up, these are the exact specifications.
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I would say that around 90% of this article is unreferenced and unverified - most of it leaning towards being original research - especially the section of speculation on the 'third faction'. Also, the huge list of fansites is not appropriate, as wikipedia is not a link farm or indiscriminate collection of links and guidelines advise against adding fansites. I will gladly discuss what can be done to improve the article, but if substantial changes aren't made, I will simply delete any unsourced and unverified claims in a few days. - Localzuk (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Reason :- A very Popular and most contributed site.
Reason :- Very Old site has contributed a lot to C&C.
Reason :- This site has also lot of information. EA developers are watching the forum.
Reason :- Very Old site has contributed a lot to C&C.
Reason :- Has contributed a lot to C&C.
Reason :- Has contributed a lot to C&C. Those are views. How much information do they need?. If they want to know more they can go their. It is reliable. -- SkyWalker 00:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Think about the section where tiberium could be a third side should be removed because in 19 december EA tells us about the third side so there should be no speculation. 82.114.81.148 22:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC) 20:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
As this article is about a future release, I think there should be a little more leeway allowed for the inclusion of fansites as external links. However we do seem to be going over the top a little. We really need to trim the list down to 4 or so links to such sites. I propose that we include the ones with the most information and get rid of those that just seem to be repeats of press releases and screenshots that all of them have.- Localzuk (talk) 10:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
My 2 cents fellas. I propose CommandConquer3.com which is solely dedicated to CNC3 Tiberium Wars, has quality unique content, news, unit/building info, forums, blog, actor info and is frequently updated etc. Cheers! .- HealthyIsabelle (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2006
I have just read a blog from Mike Verdu explaining that EA has changed several things in the game due to the fans complaints including the return of blue tiberium, visceroids,and mutants. So I'm asking, are they listening and is that a good sign for the game? NODfanatic 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe some of the development team is using the EA prayer too NODfanatic 17:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
please somebody traslate this article to spanish wikipedy (and other lenguajes to, of course) i love that C&C
Is it right to say that there the new juggernaut should be called with MK3 is it really MK3 i think only the mammoth is MK3 so is it good to change it from the article. 82.114.81.148 18:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I wish EA the best of luck with this new game and have a lot of faith in this new game; Things such as the lack of units and small details such as the roof on the pitbull are details that will probobly be resolved before the game is released. Rob Gyergyek 18:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Well where is here the main purpose for the article as mentioned here this should be page only for the aticle for the game not personal ideas.
CABAL
82.114.81.148
21:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Please can editors realise that this talk page is here to discuss the contents of the article, not to discuss what you personally think of the game and it's changes. Please take this sort of talk elsewhere as it is not appropriate. Thanks, Localzuk (talk) 13:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The article has the NOD Avatar listed as both an infantry and armored unit. I was wondering if that is correct or is it one of them. NODfanatic 17:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes indeed this should be changed because it is not a lifeform it is a mech unit so it is not an infanry unit so change it. 82.114.81.148 18:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, I went ahead and changed it just so that theres no confusion. NODfanatic 00:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that the juggernaut needs to deploy,so its legs get wider as the unit wants to attack. And the avatar mech is something like a core defender because the laser cannon at the right hand looks like an mobile obelisk cannon.This could be noticed to the article. 82.114.81.150 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
However I seem to remember GDI's wolverene (sp) that was built in the war factory yet had infantry dialog....
Earlier today I removed the lists of individual units and structures but left the general descriptions. An anonymous user then reverted by edit, stating that it was "far too radical". I'm referring to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, specifically "That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia.". They make the article look amateurish and unstructured, simply not encyclopedic but fansite'ish. I'm posting my views here because I'm trying to avoid an edit war. -- ZeroOne ( talk | @) 21:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I reject!The article can be only full and correct at the time when the game comes out.That means you could remove and order any thing but if you have no info you have nothing to change.This article is referred to a game so why all this talk and here should be a change in the article so I think there should be more screenshots so users can be amazed form the game and article itself. 82.114.81.148 17:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I do not relay on the screenshots I say that I saw the article about the game Warhammer Mark of Chaos it had screenshots so I thought it could be good to have also this article screenshots that is all.And the game it is not finished so perfection could lack so also the article about the game Warhammer Mark of Chaos is about a game that is finished and it has more screenshots than this one.Can you tell me this? 82.114.68.30 12:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Not all units can be seen in the screenshots but some of them,but then why are there in Warhammer Mark of Chaos screenshots? Some things are unsure and uncertain so the article can have problems.Then if you think so there should be no unit info for the game nor its buildings and, the game also has no screenshots,then also if you plan to cut out those units lists you may shorten the "Concern over Development"issue,its is too long and the game should not be connected with history of the game or something.There should be just short info for the game as you all intend to this idea and begin to a make a discussion war than your word should be made and the rule of Wikipedia.
82.114.68.30
13:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I know you know the rules of Wikipedia so you should not mean this "Begin to a make a discussion war than your word should be made and the rule of Wikipedia" as a an personal attack.I just ment your word is the more correct one so as it considers the Wikipedia rules and I started to make a discussion war with my ideas wich might cross the wiki rules,but honestly why all this war.
82.114.68.30
13:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
It has already been changed so what? Also I prefer that the only screenshot should be changed that to one that tells us about the game not just two mammoths and some buildings or even remove it all.The article it self needs to be shortened the article should be compact and about the units lists do whatsoever you so like to do change it,remove it whatever you like and think it is wonderful.
82.114.68.30
14:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
And I think it is a dicussion war.Why? Only discussing about just one user thoughts about the article,what it would be good and bad to change.I only am trying to make a better article and I am just referring what could be changed and what I prefer to this article this what I say respects the Wiki rules.
82.114.68.30
14:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I think there should be at least two screenshots,one that shows the Nod side and one for the GDI side,so you can see the two sides,an later on probably the third side could get another screenshot.If you do not agree with me,than the only screenshot should be changed to a screenshot that shows both sides an some units too. 82.114.81.150 20:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Do you agree with me?
If you do,then please put those screenshots there.
82.114.81.150
15:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
82.114.81.150 17:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
82.114.81.145 21:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
This really unintellectual.I have been waiting for more than three days and nothing happend,no new screenshots,and the article changes moment by moment,so once with the list and once with no list.This is a encyclopedia.This means no problems with this third class level problems whith no organization.This makes me nervous and unbearable. I hope this could take an end. 82.114.81.145 19:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
This is unbelievable! How could this go normaly so, I am waiting for my ideas for more than 5 days and none answers. has been deleted for an unkind idea 82.114.81.147 22:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This... Well at least you just should have told me that you can not reply.I would consider that,and I would not have started this...those insults.Gentlemen I consider this as a terrible fault.
I considered you as administrators,so you are responsible for the site.Can you explain this to me,how can I get informed that no one is active?So this should not happen again.
I will take your real life to consideration.I have misunderstood that you have ignored my ideas and my posts.
And just one thing,I like the game CNC3 and their developers otherwise this is the cause that turned this to a problem.
82.114.68.27
21:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Please be patient.Maybe this theater from my side,could cause prejudges for me.And I think I draw a bad image for my personality so excuse me for this tough art of writing. 82.114.68.27 22:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
If I would add something,I would surely have problems.And then you now better than I the rules here.Of course I was not informed that you are not an administrator,but you are on an higher rank than me.But you said to complete to add new screenshots to the article.I would never intervene to anyone's work.
82.114.68.27
22:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Its hard to write a good article when very little is known about the topic. much of the stuff is speculation
Rob Gyergyek
16:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to request Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars. Unregistered users and Ip are adding unnecessarily links which has have no value and no information. -- SkyWalker 07:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Calling a site spam that is focused "on topic" and more specific to Tiberium Wars versus the sites listed is really sad. Controlling a page versus keeping it open to quality contributions goes again what Wikipedia is about. Is this page about Tiberium Wars or is it about the Command and Conquer series? Are the other sites listed focused on Tiberium Wars or are they focused on several games? Apparently there are others who have the same opinion resulting in disagreement not spam.
Does Localzuk have any affiliation with the fan sites listed? If he does it should be reflected here as it is relevant to maintaining the integrity of this page.
Do a favor go and read this site, the sites i have given you. Dont read just the site read even the forums and see the valuable content they give. This are the site provide wealth of information and unique and existed from very long time. They are easy to navigate by newbies and loads quickly.
Last i want to say to you is that, Stop adding the site you have being adding. Has it does not provide anything unique. I suggest you to read this and this. SkyWalker 06:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I have now removed the fansites section altogether for the following reasons:
If someone would like to add a dmoz directory link, please do. I think this is the simplest solution to this problem - as no fan sites are promoted or denied promotion through this page now.- Localzuk (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Wow, ContributorMG it looks like there is some real abuse going on here. I agree with adding this site, in fact I did as Localzuk suggested and posted it on the talk page. Apparently no one cared or commented on it then even though thats what the comments said to do. Why?
In regards to external links perhaps you should re-read the Wikipedia page on it. You have taken a one sided view without giving any merit to the other.
Do the words "there is no problem with commercial sites that are useful references. Many major newspaper websites contain heavy advertisement, but they are nonetheless good references" have any interest to you?
Many of the fansites you have listed have advertisements. Why single out one site with some advertisements over others. Very unfortunate. Localzuk perhaps you should remove yourself from this page, it seems your personal bias has clouded your judgement.
Localzuk did you realize that the forums on the site do not require membership? That means that anyone can view the forums and anyone can post. That truly was shortsighted and misrepresenative of you to base your bias on the number of members when membership it is not required. Had you really looked at the site you would have noticed this. An apology would be a good starting point for you...
You can improve this article by placing the relevant external links back. If you continue to put yourself ahead of the quality of this article it only has a negative effect.
Your argument was based on misinformation Localzuk. Nor did you make any effort to apologize or fix your comments. I dont sense any humility here. Its obvious now that you never really looked at the site to begin with. It would be a good idea to put the quality of this page ahead of your bias and need to control.
Anyone can add fansites to this page as you did in the past and as countless others acrosss Wikipedia adding a positive contribution.
"there is no problem with commercial sites that are useful references."
This page will continue to be a back and forth as others besides me want to contribute and disagree with your attempted control over the page Localzuk. I look forward to a long history of future positive contributions to this article.
"If I am wrong about this, I apologise" Now that wasnt so hard was it. Simply said, your actions lately, have degraded this page. The whole point is to improve the content of the article which many have a disagreement on and may continue to disagree on. How can people feel safe contributing to this article knowing you will continue to behave with the edit delete key the way you have? Who has deleted the most contributions on this page so far? Thats something you will have to explain not so much to me but to the people that come after me and read all this. Looking forward to lots of continued dialogue.
Thanks Skywalker. Hahhaha looks like I missed a lot of fun here! Guys dont be too worried about Localzuk and what he has done here. He neither speaks for Wikipedia nor represents it nor controls it. Its not the first time people have disagreed with him and or on Wikipedia for that matter. Feel free to think for yourselves when contributing to this CNC3 page.
Localzuk the DMOZ link is actually a good idea for this page by the way. It links to CNC sites, including fansites, that have "some relevance to the game" despite the removal of the fansites (also described as "a bad thing to include") from this very article. Oh the irony of it all...
It seems to me that the opening to the article is rather redundent. It describes the plot when that is already covered in the section below it. Can someone fix this? -- General Aurum 23:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
unknown third side.Where is the explaination for the third side?
Directly after the "casting" section, describing the cast who will be apearing C&C 3, is the "other known facts" section which opens by saying the FMV sequences will return. Is this realy needed, since it has allready been mentionse? 172.141.25.201 19:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Please can all editors realise that my removal of information is due to the fact that there are banners stating that the page contains original research and unreferenced information. Using policy, all such information can be removed without further explanation - and anyone re-adding it without a citation would be breaking our citation policy. I am trying to reduce the amount of POV material and OR in this article. If I remove something as unsourced, feel free to re-add it, but make sure you provide a reliable source for it else I will likely remove it again. Wikipedia isn't about truth, it is about verifiability. So even if something is correct, unless it is source it has no place on this site. Also, can I remind all editors of the following policies and guidelines: assume good faith and no-one owns the article. If anyone accuses me of 'degrading the page' due to my deletion of unsourced information again it will lower my willingness to work with them on compromises.- Localzuk (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
or post war?Well do you remember my words....Yes and if members do not do something like conclusions or compromises the article will not be improved.But yes,ignoring ideas will hardly make something better.
84.192.112.171 I totally agree with you and disagree with Localzuk. It seems these numbers are growing. After reading this talk page and reviewing the history I think I see what the "degrading" factor is.
Localzuk consider trying harder to work with 84.192.112.171 / others and put the best interest of this page not yourself first. Contradictory and changing statements combined with contradictory actions can only accomplish negative things.
A persons ability to work better with others will only be evident when this talk page, about Command and Conquer 3, has more to do with positive contributions than one person and their deletions. I can only wonder how many people have been discouraged from contributing to this article after looking at all this. The numbers are growing. Should we start a petition on how to improve this page? - HealthyIsabelle (talk) December 21 2006
I've done a bit of digging, and I've relocated the original source on which I based the now disputed Scrin part originally added to the "Sides Overview - Unnamed Alien Race" section of the article by me. (Click on the picture contained within this link to enlarge it.)
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-6265-1147374889.jpg
Reading through this again after all this time, I'll say it seems rather dated to the standards of our current knowledge on the ongoing development of C&C 3, however. Kane's return for example is apparently considered to be a 'question mark' by this source. Conversely, this was rather obviously published with the consent of the game's developer. In order to avoid a renewal of the original dispute between editors which this piece of information previously gave rise to, I'm throwing this out for open discussion/review on whether it can be considered a valid reference or not, so that this becomes settled once and for all. 84.192.112.171 21:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Good job it looks like you have done your homework. How many years has PCGamer been around? How about this author? HealthyIsabelle (talk) December 21 2006
How ironic! 82.114.68.28 20:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems you have began to listen to people
82.114.68.28
21:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC).
Well I am proud ironically of this... 82.114.68.28 15:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
My idea could not even reach to be a topic in this article. It seems this is not a place for me. 82.114.68.28 15:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Also temperament will not help you all make friends. 82.114.68.28 15:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
It can be viewed on the official C&C 3: Tiberium Wars homepage.
http://www.ea.com/commandandconquer/news.jsp?id=17
Could someone so inclined upload this packaging art to Wiki and replace the C&C 3 logo we currently have with it? Thank you. 84.192.126.66 09:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I thought the aliens were called "Scrin" or something of the like... Bioform 1234] jan 2,2007
Out of the four screenshots currently on display in the article which are directly related to C&C 3: Tiberium Wars, there are three that are focussed on the GDI and but one that features the Brotherhood of Nod. Because of this, it may be desirable to replace either the first screenshot featuring the Mammoth Tanks or the concept art of the Zone Troopers with a picture showing in-game footage of the Brotherhood of Nod instead. Personally I'd advocate to have the screenshot of the Mammoth Tanks replaced, as it is rather generic when compared to the Zone Troopers concept art picture. If anyone knows of a few visually interesting in-game screenshots which feature the Brotherhood of Nod, please feel free to upload them to Wikipedia. 84.192.116.92 06:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Why won't he just die?
Ok, that explains a lot. Thanks.
Umm, you can kill the Messia, but he comes back in three days.
I have deleted the background article. I don't feel they is any use of it anymore in this article. The game is going to be released on march 28th. So i feel the article should expand more on the game and should be more readable to all users. I hope everyone agrees it. -- SkyWalker 09:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I was under the impression that the last unit list of this article was deleted under consensus on the grounds that Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. Any thoughts/votes of other users on whether or not we should keep this current list? 84.192.125.204 07:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
People there gained much more knowledge as to what C&C 3 will be. As to the alien name, it will be the scrin, although it is not official yet EA has acknowledged that there was a leak from a Spanish magazine that first reported this and have not denied the report and had talked the name during the Summit. misterdan 04:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Also we should have pictures an details of the preorder and Kane editions. Jamhaw 18:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)jamhaw
While these comments certainly constitute sufficient confirmation for C&C fans such as ourselves, who have been following the official C&C 3 forums over these last few months, the problem which arises is that the content in this article is required to meet Wikipedia's standards regarding verifiability. If - and indeed when - other editors on Wikipedia will begin to request verification on this name of 'Scrin' through the placement of a {{ Fact}} tag, for example, we would presently be unable to offer this to them due to the content of message boards being prohibited as a valid reference link on Wikipedia, as shown in the provided internal link. This is a little unfortunate -- I know. But for now we will need to put this news on hold here on Wiki, until Electronic Arts makes the name of the alien faction official in the more formal sense of the word through updates on their C&C 3 website, or through interviews with established gaming magazines and the like. DieOfGoodLuck 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
While I myself know what BFME2 is, I doubt a lot of people will. Honestly, someone please change the S.R. to something people know. Bfme 2 requirements- 64 Display memory, windows xp or higher, system memory of 256, directx version 9 or higher, and a processor speed of 1600 Mhz (1.6 Ghz). There you have it, straight from electronic arts EasyInfo for the game. Look it up, these are the exact specifications.