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I'm surprised the latest work on the issue by Cunghee Sarah Soh was not integrated into the article at all. I rewrote the lede and started a stub of a "History of the issue" section, but others are welcome to expand on it. Shii (tock) 00:34, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
The discussion of this issue above is too disorganized and broad to make my point, so I'm starting a new section here. My point is simply that the point of view that comfort women were 'forced' in general is incorrect and misleading. Some may have been forced, and there are some accounts of it, but with respect to Korean comfort women especially, most were voluntarily working prostitutes.
The first citation in the article, to the Soh book, is a good example. If you look at her discussion of the many cases in which former comfort women changed their stories or lied about being forcibly recruited, you can see that even an apparently very left-wing author has to admit that the evidence of forcible recruitment (in the case of Korea at least) is slim. Her conclusion is essentially that some appear to have been forced into it, but most were not.
Based on this view, the introductory paragraphs of the article giving a definition of 'comfort women' as those 'forced' into prostitution by the Japanese is clearly misleading, because at the very least it implies that most or all were forced into it. I think this needs to be revised to give a more accurate picture. It should allow that although some were forced, most did it voluntarily. Torokun ( talk) 13:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Comfort Women are generally defined as women who provided sexual services to men in the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army, as well as civilians working for the military in the territories occupied by the Imperial Japanese Military at wartime brothels in the 1930's and 1940's. A narrower definition puts more emphasis on the coercive aspect.[1] The term is also used for the women engaged by the South Korean government for sexual services for US Military personnel in the 1950's [2].
It seems like this opening paragraph gives too much weight to the view that the "comfort women" were largely voluntary, paid prostitutes. Although that may have been the case for some, AFAIK the overwhelming majority of credible sources show that the Imperial Japanese Army maintained a massive system of sexual slavery and that voluntary prostitues were a small minority only. The opposing viewpoint seems to come from revisionist Japanese nationalists only. In addtion although the term may have also been used by brothels maintained by South Korea for use by Americans in the Korean War, that seems like a seperate issue. 206.213.251.31 ( talk) 01:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Please add reference to the following documentaries:
- animation documentary "Her story", here is a link to the youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phZQudarZP0
- Documentary called "50 years of silence", directed by Ned Lander, Carol Ruff and James Bradley
Thank you
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[Please add at bottom of Controversies section]
Tōru Hashimoto ( Mayor of Osaka city and co-leader of the nationalist Japan Restoration Party) also expressed controversial views on the subject. See Tōru Hashimoto#Views on prostitution and "comfort women" for details.
Should this comfort women article be only about the women used by the Japanese military during World War II, or should it include instances of military brothels, prostitution or military rape after World War II, performed by other nations' military forces? Binksternet ( talk) 16:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I have added a disambiguation link to the top of the article:
This is because the official, legal term for a Korean military prostitute was "comfort woman" up until around 1990. Shii (tock) 08:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I seek to introduce a link to Tōru Hashimoto, specifically the section about comfort women. My first attempt has been reverted with a comment mentioning a problem of style, but later the reverter specified that it was actually also a matter of contents.
I do not see why it would be contentious to give examples of politicians who have famously justified this practice, if their page already has a whole, well-referenced section about the controversy. 106.189.85.247 ( talk) 08:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Besides, the sentence claimed as already including the information I added ("Some Japanese politicians have argued that the former comfort women's testimony is inconsistent and unreliable, making it invalid.") does not really apply to, or anyway cover, what Hashimoto has said about the subject matter. 106.189.85.247 ( talk) 08:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
...and in fact Hashimoto is not even a signatory of the source that backs that sentence. Therefore, I am adding an explicit reference to Hashimoto. 106.189.85.247 ( talk) 14:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm neutral as to whether this is accurate or not, but the source cited doesn't mention Japanese comfort women. 182.249.241.6 ( talk) 05:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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The opening description in Comfort Women is against Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. The argument in Comfort Women has got to "Sex Slave". Making no reference to another Comfort Women cases is a critical problem. The present descriptions become civil-rights violation to the present Japanese people and a act of racial discrimination to the present Japanese people. I would like you to request to edit as the following neutral descriptions .
"Comfort Women" is a generic term used to refer to women and girls forced into a prostitution corps at the front, the place of presence and the war exercise in World WarⅡ, Korea War, Vietnam War and the presence of UN Force. The first Comfort women was created by the Japanese Imperial Army in World War Ⅱ. At that time, many women and girls were estimated to force the prostitution. Estimates vary as to how many women were involved, with numbers ranging from as low as 20,000 from some Japanese scholars to as high as 410,000 from some Chinese scholars, but the exact numbers are still being researched and debated. Most of the comfort women in World WarⅡ were Japanese women, but there are many of the women from Korea, China, and the Philippines, although women from Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia and other Japanese-occupied territories were used for military "comfort stations". Stations were located in Japan, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, then Malaya, Thailand, Burma, New Guinea, Hong Kong, Macau, and French Indochina."
Koo Richard ( talk) 12:30, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
See "New evidence of Japan’s wartime sexual enslavement emerges". [1] Excerpts from the diary is available in Japanese. [2]
Korea Herald ignores all other descriptions written by the worker. The diary mostly focused on the women's savings and the office procedure of their return to home. The situation is quite similar to that written in the U.S. Interrogation report. [3] The stereotypes of the comfort women, abducted, enslaved and killed are far from this evidence.
Excerpt from the diary.
All the the secondary sources quote and re-quote each other, impossible to find where the information originally came from. Primary sources from the time have a much higher value, surely. I have been trying to find primary source reports detailing instances of kidnaping women to become comfort women - can anyone help me here by posting a list? Individual testimonies by living comfort women have little weight as you would not expect them to say they volunteered. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.152.14 ( talk) 11:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to suggest an edit to the article. In the "History of the Issue" section, "Following multiple testimonies the Kono Statement of 1993 was issued claiming that coercion was involved.[57]" is inaccurate. It should be changed to "After three Korean former comfort women sued the Japanese government in December 1991, introducing documents found by Prof. Yoshiaki Yoshimi, and Yoshimi published these documents in a Japanese newspaper in January 1992, the Japanese government conducted a 20-month study on the issue of comfort women. The Japanese government announced the findings of this study in August 1993, along with which they released the Kono Statement. In the Kono Statement, they admitted that coercion was involved, and also sincerely apologized to the comfort women."
Sources:
"Statement by Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono on the Result of the Study on the Issue of "Comfort Women" 4 August 1993
The Government of Japan has been conducting a study on the issue of wartime "comfort women" since December 1991. I wish to announce the findings as a result of that study."
( http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-02.html)
"the Government of Japan, since December 1991, has been conducting a study by means of individual hearings of former military personnel and others concerned in parallel with a search for relevant documents. In addition, for five days from July 26 to 30 [1993], the Government of Japan conducted detailed regarding of former comfort women.. Furthermore, in the course of the study, government officials were sent to the United Sates to search for official U.S. documents and a field study was conducted in Okinawa as well.
The following gives the details of the study, and a list of the documents discovered by the study is attached.
Institutions covered by the study: the National Police Agency; the Defense Agency; the Ministry of Justice; the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; the Ministry of Education; the Ministry of Health and Welfare; the Ministry of Labor; the National Archives; the National Diet Library; and the U.S. National Archives.
People covered by individual hearings: former comfort women; former military personnel; former officials of the Government-General of Korea; former operators of comfort stations; residents in the areas where comfort stations were located; and history researchers, etc.
Domestic and foreign documents and publications used for reference: the study report compiled by the Government of the Republic of Korea; collections of testimonies by former comfort women, compiled by those concerned including the Association of Pacific War Victims and Bereaved Families and the Korean Council for the women Drafted for Sexual Slavery by Japan; and also practically all of the numerous Japanese publications on the subject matter were perused.
On 6 July 1992, the Government of Japan announced the results of its study on this issue conducted up to that time. In view of the further progress of the study since then, the Government has decided to announce the findings reached as below." ( http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-03.html)
A 5-volume compilation of the materials found by the Japanese government during this study is available here: http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/document.html
"I [Yoshimi] found six pieces of evidence that had survived the destruction of documents and was able to publish them in the newspaper."
(Yoshimi, Yoshiaki.Comfort Women,2000. p.35)
"The public announcement of the first six pieces of evidence had a profound impact. On January 12 [1992], the day following the publication of the documents in the newspaper, then Chief Cabinet Secretary Kato Koichi publicly acknowledged the Japanese military's participation in organizing the comfort station system. On the 13th, he announced talks on formulating an apology. On the 17th, then Prime Minister Miyazawa Kiichi, who was visiting Korea, officially apologized at a meeting of top Korean and Japanese leaders." (Yoshimi, p.35)
"After these announcements, the government conducted a limited survey.. The government announced the findings of its inquiry on August 4, 1993." (Yoshimi, p.36)
Thank you. Jk765 ( talk) 18:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, there's typo in the article.
In the 'Apologies and Compensation' section, "They introduced documents found by history Professor Yoshiaki Yoshida that had been stored at the Japanese Defense Agency since their return to Japan by United States troops in 1958.[64]" should be changed to "They introduced documents found by history Professor Yoshiaki Yoshimi that had been stored at the Japanese Defense Agency since their return to Japan by United States troops in 1958.[64]"
Thank you. Jk765 ( talk) 17:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I have one more edit request. In the 'Apologies and Compensation' section, "In 1994, the Japanese government set up the Asian Women's Fund to distribute additional compensation to South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and Indonesia.[61] Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the then prime minister Tomiichi Murayama.." should be changed to
"In 1994, the Japanese government set up the Asian Women's Fund to distribute additional compensation to South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and Indonesia.[61] However, many former comfort women rejected the compensations because the funds did not come from the Japanese government but from private donations. Each survivor who accepted the AWF compensation was provided with a signed apology from the then prime minister Tomiichi Murayama.."
Sources:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6530197.stm)
""The very first criticism we received," he said, "was that the Japanese government was running away from their responsibility and using the Asian Women's Fund as cover."
"It is true that it was not state compensation. Although the Japanese government spent lots of money on this, we were not able to give the impression that the government was taking full responsibility.""
"There were further difficulties with the letter of apology signed by the prime minister, which was given to each victim.
Copies of the letter were delivered by the Asian Women's Fund rather than by diplomats.
Activists in South Korea and Taiwan claimed that the letter was a personal not an official one, and that the money available was from charity funds rather than state compensation.
They persuaded more than half the former comfort women in the two countries not to accept the money.
In fact, the women in these countries were compensated locally if they said they did not want to receive the Japanese money.
Mr Wada said there was a similar debate in the Philippines.."
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/korea.html
"Of the 207 authenticated [Korean former comfort women], 72 had died, 135 were still alive, with 2 of them residing outside the country, as of November 2002."
"the media in [South Korea], with only a few exceptions, criticized the Fund's project implementation."
"seven victims.. received Fund benefits"
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/taiwan.html
"The [Taipei Women's Rescue Foundation] demanded that Japan pay state compensation and strongly opposed the Asian Women's Fund".
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/netherlands-00.html
"Immediately after the Asian Women's Fund was established in 1995, the Foreign Ministry of Japan began preparations to facilitate implementation of Asian Women's Fund projects in the Netherlands. Because the right to claim reparation for war damage had been already settled through the San Francisco Peace Treaty, the Government of the Netherlands urged Japan to speak directly with those concerned. As the result, discussions took place with those who were related to the JES. "
"The Foundation of Japanese Honorary Debts (JES, established in the Netherlands in 1990) demanded that the Japanese Government recognize legal responsibility and pay compensation.. The standpoint of JES was that only the Japanese Government was directly responsible for compensation."
"After long negotiations, it was agreed that medical and welfare assistance was to be provided for the individuals and the total amount of the fund from the Japanese Government was to be 255 million yen."
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Hello, I would like to add a sentence to the article.
In the 'Apologies and Compensation' section, after the sentence "Eventually, 11 former comfort women accepted funds from the AWF along with the signed apology, while 142 others received funds from the government of Korea.[63][64]",
it should be added that "The AWF was controversial among Taiwanese, Filipino, and Dutch victims as well because the compensations did not come from the Japanese government but from private donations."
Sources:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6530197.stm
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/taiwan.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/netherlands-00.html
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I just wanted to check up on this possible contradiction. In the first section, third paragraph it states:
However in the description text for the image of Jan Ruff O'Herne it states:
As this page concerns "Comfort Women" and is talking about women who were kidnapped for the sake of sexual slavery this is somewhat confusing. Were these women captured and coincidentally raped, or were they kidnapped for sexual slavery. If the former is true, than it seems a little misleading to include it, as it isn't talking about women who were enslaved. However if the latter is true then one of these numbers is wrong. Either it's thousands of Dutch women, or 300 Dutch women. 58.7.222.115 ( talk) 02:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Can we have the price range it cost for a Japanese or Korean in the Imperial army. To pay for a comfort woman 1.5 Yen - 2 Yen. When a soldiers monthly pay was 6 Yen per month. You can use the US army source [18] and the Australian source [51] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.254.85.104 ( talk) 02:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Modern idealist revision should be struck out. Confort women were considered prostitutes until the early 1990's in Korea. The South Korean government provided them during the Korean war to both Korean and US soldiers. see relative wiki article. The South Korean government provided them after the Korean war to the US based soldiers. Both times they were still called wianfu. It was never considered a bad thing until the 1990's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.254.85.104 ( talk) 02:41, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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In the "History of the Issue" section, "Following multiple testimonies the Kono Statement of 1993 was issued claiming that coercion was involved.[57]" is inaccurate.
It should be changed to "After three Korean former comfort women sued the Japanese government in December 1991, and Prof. Yoshiaki Yoshimi published documents in a Japanese newspaper in January 1992 indicating that the Japanese military had played a large role in running the comfort women system, the Japanese government conducted a 20-month study on the issue of comfort women. The Japanese government announced the findings of this study in August 1993, along with which they released the Kono Statement. In the Kono Statement, they admitted that coercion was involved in the recruitment of the women, and also sincerely apologized to the comfort women."
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http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-02.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-03.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/document.html
Yoshimi, Yoshiaki. Comfort Women, 2000. p.35-36
Footnote 66
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The heading of this section does not seem to describe its content. I don't see any information about controversies in there, but rather information about disagreements from Japanese sources with the source-supported material presented in other sections of the article. "Disagreements from Japanese sources" seems clumsy, but perhaps someone can come up with another heading which better describes the content of this section. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
This is a semi-protected space, so I understand content is more sensitive. If you have objections to including a section on the post-WW2 legacy of the comfort women system in Korea, please include your reasons here. It is my understanding that aftermaths are usually very helpful in giving historical context to a particular phenomenon (in this case, the Japanese comfort women system). And yes, the South Korean system did included girls forced into prostitution. Thanks!-- Imbored2013 ( talk) 19:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Is there any links to online source where people can read about Korean system with forced prostitution (I'm guessing you mean they were unpaid sex slaves forced by the Korean Government)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.90.227 ( talk) 08:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
"It must be noted that so long as even one was abducted...it becomes a crime." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.238.175.109 ( talk) 00:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
These type of misleading statement from relatively isolated incidents should be removed. Majority of comfort women were Japanese and Japanese and Korean solders PAID. Korean recruiters recruited. "According to testimony, young women from countries under Japanese Imperial control were abducted from their homes. In many cases, women were also lured with promises of work in factories or restaurants. " Statement itself is contradiction. Person cannot be "lured with promises" and "abducted from home". Korea had Korean police, Korean recruiters, Korean leaders, and some Korean solders were recruited. There was no frequent report of abduction. So proper wording should be. Korean recruiter sometimes lured with promises...
USA war report "Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49." "The inducement used by these agents was plenty of money, an opportunity to pay off the family debts, easy work, and the prospect of a new life in a new land, Singapore. On the basis of these false representations many girls enlisted for overseas duty and were rewarded with an advance of a few hundred yen.
The majority of the girls were ignorant and uneducated, although a few had been connected with "oldest profession on earth" before. The contract they signed bound them to Army regulations and to war for the "house master " for a period of from six months to a year depending on the family debt for which they were advanced ...
Approximately 800 of these girls were recruited in this manner and they landed with their Japanese "house master " at Rangoon around August 20th, 1942." [1] So clearly they were NOT abducted. And comfort women was NOT rescued, but part of "japanese prisoner of war". Real7777 ( talk) 01:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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"Many women responded to calls for work as factory workers or nurses, and did not know" "In the early stages of the war, Japanese authorities recruited prostitutes through conventional means." "Many women were tricked or defrauded into joining the military brothels." "especially in the countryside where middlemen were rare, the military often directly demanded that local leaders procure women for the brothels." "The South Korean government designated Bae Jeong-ja as a pro-Japan collaborator (chinilpa) in September 2007 for recruiting comfort women." "estimated the number of women working in the licensed pleasure quarter was fewer than 20,000 and that they were 40% Japanese, 20% Koreans, 10% Chinese, with others making up the remaining 30%." "200 to 300 European women working in the Japanese military brothels, “some sixty five were most certainly forced into prostitution.” "The Japanese officers involved received some punishment by Japanese authorities at the end of the war.[48] After the end of the war, 11 Japanese officers were found guilty with one soldier being sentenced to death by the Batavia War Criminal Court.[48] The court decision found that the charges those who raped violated were the Army's order to hire only voluntary women." "He quotes from the diary of Gordon Thomas, a POW in Rabaul. Thomas writes that the women working at the brothels “most likely served 25 to 35 men a day” and that they were “victims of the yellow slave trade.”" "During World War II, the Shōwa regime implemented in Korea, a prostitution system similar to the one established in other parts of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Korean agents, Korean Kempeitai (military police) and military auxiliaries were involved in the procurement and organization of comfort women, and made use of their services.[53] Chong-song Pak found that "Koreans under Japanese rule became fully acculturated as main actors in the licensed prostitution system that was transplanted in their country by the colonial state"." "In 1973 a man named Kakou Senda wrote a book about the comfort women system but focused on Japanese participants. His book has been widely criticized as distorting the facts by both Japanese and Korean historians" "Japanese historian and Nihon University professor, Ikuhiko Hata estimates the number of comfort women to be more likely between 10,000 and 20,000.[4] Hata writes that none of the comfort women were forcibly recruited" "Kobayashi's book contains an interview with Taiwanese industrialist Shi Wen-long who stated that no women were forced to serve, and that they worked in more hygienic conditions compared to regular prostitutes because the use of condoms was mandatory" "In the aftermath of the war, the women recalled bouts of physical and mental abuses that they had experienced while working in military brothels. In the Rorschach test, the women showed distorted perceptions, difficulty in managing emotional reactions and internalized anger." And here's link to website with countless references. http://www.sdh-fact.com/index.html [2] Real7777 ( talk) 04:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Case of Japanese comfort women by the U.S. Army. Description of this fact Where is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.119.209.71 ( talk) 01:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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That it is written here, is biased content lies, false 153.185.51.231 ( talk) 06:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( WP:SNOW) closure). The nominator is strongly advised to find something else to do on Wikipedia than continuing to push the agenda of relativizing the significance of this topic by mixing it up with others. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Comfort women →
Comfort women in Empire of Japan – Because this article makes it ambiguous that the words comfort women are literal translation words of Japanese word 慰安婦(いあんふ) and Korean word 위안부(慰安婦).
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Before Mar. 2014, or before, the term comfort women have been used in Recreation and Amusement Association and Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military. So the neccessity for some linkages to those articles is obvious. First, I thought the usage of template:about the best way. So I proposed that way. But I could not make the consensus on this proposal. Second, I thought the usage of template:redirect like Microsoft Windows and proposed to change the article name. ( windows redirects to Microsoft Windows and template:redirect to Windows (disambiguation) exists in Microsoft Windows.) But I could not make the consensus, too. The usage of comfort women in those articles continues today. So, as the third way, I have made simple linkages to those articles. If you think that the term comfort women should not be used on Recreation and Amusement Association and Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military, you should remove this term from those articles with the consensus in Talk:Recreation and Amusement Association and Talk:Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military, before removing the linkages in this article. Technically the removal of the term from those articles is not difficult. Just replacement of the term comfort women with ianfu in Recreation and Amusement Association and replacement of the term comfort women with wianbu in Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military are enough. If you seem it difficult and you want me to propose the replacement, I will make the proposal there. So please ask me hear. NiceDay ( talk) 03:35, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Result: Disambiguation would be useful.
There is consensus that disambiguation would be useful, but no consensus and no clear proposal as to what form such disambiguation might take. Given that previous proposals have not gained consensus, further discussion is needed before disambiguation can be implemented.
There were also comments about whether the article content is neutral or not, but that is out-of-scope for this RfC.
The term comfort women is a literal translation of a Japanese term ianfu or a Korean term wianbu. Concerning Recreation and Amusement Association and Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military these words are used in a different meaning from the article comfort women where the comfort women in the Japanese Empire era is described. Since I thought some disambiguation between the article comfort women and other articles necessary, I proposed some methods. But I could make no consensus. So I want to ask you weather the disambiguation is useful or useless ? NiceDay ( talk) 03:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
[Here is more or less what you see at: ]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Japanese term ianfu (慰安婦,いあんふ) is a euphemism for military prostitute. It may refer to:
See also: wianbu
[Here is what you see at]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wianbu may refer to:
Hi all. In my humble opinion, the story that comfort women were prostitutes forced into slavery by the Japanese Army is a hoax. Here is my evidence to support it:
1. In the U.S. Army's Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49, it is said that comfort women were recruited on their own volition, that they lived comfortably and could turn down Japanese soldiers if they wanted to, that marriages took place, and that they could go into town on they own and buy stuff, they had plenty of food, and that some women were sad that they were unable to service all of the Imperial Army soldiers. Do sexual slaves really feel that way? I verily think not. Source: http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html.
2. The testimony of Seiji Yoshida, on which most "facts" about the comfort women are based, was fraudulent; Yoshida himself confessed to this.
Sayonara!
-A Japanese historian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.215.4.43 ( talk) 14:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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I'm surprised the latest work on the issue by Cunghee Sarah Soh was not integrated into the article at all. I rewrote the lede and started a stub of a "History of the issue" section, but others are welcome to expand on it. Shii (tock) 00:34, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
The discussion of this issue above is too disorganized and broad to make my point, so I'm starting a new section here. My point is simply that the point of view that comfort women were 'forced' in general is incorrect and misleading. Some may have been forced, and there are some accounts of it, but with respect to Korean comfort women especially, most were voluntarily working prostitutes.
The first citation in the article, to the Soh book, is a good example. If you look at her discussion of the many cases in which former comfort women changed their stories or lied about being forcibly recruited, you can see that even an apparently very left-wing author has to admit that the evidence of forcible recruitment (in the case of Korea at least) is slim. Her conclusion is essentially that some appear to have been forced into it, but most were not.
Based on this view, the introductory paragraphs of the article giving a definition of 'comfort women' as those 'forced' into prostitution by the Japanese is clearly misleading, because at the very least it implies that most or all were forced into it. I think this needs to be revised to give a more accurate picture. It should allow that although some were forced, most did it voluntarily. Torokun ( talk) 13:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Comfort Women are generally defined as women who provided sexual services to men in the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army, as well as civilians working for the military in the territories occupied by the Imperial Japanese Military at wartime brothels in the 1930's and 1940's. A narrower definition puts more emphasis on the coercive aspect.[1] The term is also used for the women engaged by the South Korean government for sexual services for US Military personnel in the 1950's [2].
It seems like this opening paragraph gives too much weight to the view that the "comfort women" were largely voluntary, paid prostitutes. Although that may have been the case for some, AFAIK the overwhelming majority of credible sources show that the Imperial Japanese Army maintained a massive system of sexual slavery and that voluntary prostitues were a small minority only. The opposing viewpoint seems to come from revisionist Japanese nationalists only. In addtion although the term may have also been used by brothels maintained by South Korea for use by Americans in the Korean War, that seems like a seperate issue. 206.213.251.31 ( talk) 01:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Please add reference to the following documentaries:
- animation documentary "Her story", here is a link to the youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phZQudarZP0
- Documentary called "50 years of silence", directed by Ned Lander, Carol Ruff and James Bradley
Thank you
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[Please add at bottom of Controversies section]
Tōru Hashimoto ( Mayor of Osaka city and co-leader of the nationalist Japan Restoration Party) also expressed controversial views on the subject. See Tōru Hashimoto#Views on prostitution and "comfort women" for details.
Should this comfort women article be only about the women used by the Japanese military during World War II, or should it include instances of military brothels, prostitution or military rape after World War II, performed by other nations' military forces? Binksternet ( talk) 16:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I have added a disambiguation link to the top of the article:
This is because the official, legal term for a Korean military prostitute was "comfort woman" up until around 1990. Shii (tock) 08:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I seek to introduce a link to Tōru Hashimoto, specifically the section about comfort women. My first attempt has been reverted with a comment mentioning a problem of style, but later the reverter specified that it was actually also a matter of contents.
I do not see why it would be contentious to give examples of politicians who have famously justified this practice, if their page already has a whole, well-referenced section about the controversy. 106.189.85.247 ( talk) 08:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Besides, the sentence claimed as already including the information I added ("Some Japanese politicians have argued that the former comfort women's testimony is inconsistent and unreliable, making it invalid.") does not really apply to, or anyway cover, what Hashimoto has said about the subject matter. 106.189.85.247 ( talk) 08:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
...and in fact Hashimoto is not even a signatory of the source that backs that sentence. Therefore, I am adding an explicit reference to Hashimoto. 106.189.85.247 ( talk) 14:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm neutral as to whether this is accurate or not, but the source cited doesn't mention Japanese comfort women. 182.249.241.6 ( talk) 05:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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The opening description in Comfort Women is against Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. The argument in Comfort Women has got to "Sex Slave". Making no reference to another Comfort Women cases is a critical problem. The present descriptions become civil-rights violation to the present Japanese people and a act of racial discrimination to the present Japanese people. I would like you to request to edit as the following neutral descriptions .
"Comfort Women" is a generic term used to refer to women and girls forced into a prostitution corps at the front, the place of presence and the war exercise in World WarⅡ, Korea War, Vietnam War and the presence of UN Force. The first Comfort women was created by the Japanese Imperial Army in World War Ⅱ. At that time, many women and girls were estimated to force the prostitution. Estimates vary as to how many women were involved, with numbers ranging from as low as 20,000 from some Japanese scholars to as high as 410,000 from some Chinese scholars, but the exact numbers are still being researched and debated. Most of the comfort women in World WarⅡ were Japanese women, but there are many of the women from Korea, China, and the Philippines, although women from Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia and other Japanese-occupied territories were used for military "comfort stations". Stations were located in Japan, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, then Malaya, Thailand, Burma, New Guinea, Hong Kong, Macau, and French Indochina."
Koo Richard ( talk) 12:30, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
See "New evidence of Japan’s wartime sexual enslavement emerges". [1] Excerpts from the diary is available in Japanese. [2]
Korea Herald ignores all other descriptions written by the worker. The diary mostly focused on the women's savings and the office procedure of their return to home. The situation is quite similar to that written in the U.S. Interrogation report. [3] The stereotypes of the comfort women, abducted, enslaved and killed are far from this evidence.
Excerpt from the diary.
All the the secondary sources quote and re-quote each other, impossible to find where the information originally came from. Primary sources from the time have a much higher value, surely. I have been trying to find primary source reports detailing instances of kidnaping women to become comfort women - can anyone help me here by posting a list? Individual testimonies by living comfort women have little weight as you would not expect them to say they volunteered. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.152.14 ( talk) 11:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to suggest an edit to the article. In the "History of the Issue" section, "Following multiple testimonies the Kono Statement of 1993 was issued claiming that coercion was involved.[57]" is inaccurate. It should be changed to "After three Korean former comfort women sued the Japanese government in December 1991, introducing documents found by Prof. Yoshiaki Yoshimi, and Yoshimi published these documents in a Japanese newspaper in January 1992, the Japanese government conducted a 20-month study on the issue of comfort women. The Japanese government announced the findings of this study in August 1993, along with which they released the Kono Statement. In the Kono Statement, they admitted that coercion was involved, and also sincerely apologized to the comfort women."
Sources:
"Statement by Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono on the Result of the Study on the Issue of "Comfort Women" 4 August 1993
The Government of Japan has been conducting a study on the issue of wartime "comfort women" since December 1991. I wish to announce the findings as a result of that study."
( http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-02.html)
"the Government of Japan, since December 1991, has been conducting a study by means of individual hearings of former military personnel and others concerned in parallel with a search for relevant documents. In addition, for five days from July 26 to 30 [1993], the Government of Japan conducted detailed regarding of former comfort women.. Furthermore, in the course of the study, government officials were sent to the United Sates to search for official U.S. documents and a field study was conducted in Okinawa as well.
The following gives the details of the study, and a list of the documents discovered by the study is attached.
Institutions covered by the study: the National Police Agency; the Defense Agency; the Ministry of Justice; the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; the Ministry of Education; the Ministry of Health and Welfare; the Ministry of Labor; the National Archives; the National Diet Library; and the U.S. National Archives.
People covered by individual hearings: former comfort women; former military personnel; former officials of the Government-General of Korea; former operators of comfort stations; residents in the areas where comfort stations were located; and history researchers, etc.
Domestic and foreign documents and publications used for reference: the study report compiled by the Government of the Republic of Korea; collections of testimonies by former comfort women, compiled by those concerned including the Association of Pacific War Victims and Bereaved Families and the Korean Council for the women Drafted for Sexual Slavery by Japan; and also practically all of the numerous Japanese publications on the subject matter were perused.
On 6 July 1992, the Government of Japan announced the results of its study on this issue conducted up to that time. In view of the further progress of the study since then, the Government has decided to announce the findings reached as below." ( http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-03.html)
A 5-volume compilation of the materials found by the Japanese government during this study is available here: http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/document.html
"I [Yoshimi] found six pieces of evidence that had survived the destruction of documents and was able to publish them in the newspaper."
(Yoshimi, Yoshiaki.Comfort Women,2000. p.35)
"The public announcement of the first six pieces of evidence had a profound impact. On January 12 [1992], the day following the publication of the documents in the newspaper, then Chief Cabinet Secretary Kato Koichi publicly acknowledged the Japanese military's participation in organizing the comfort station system. On the 13th, he announced talks on formulating an apology. On the 17th, then Prime Minister Miyazawa Kiichi, who was visiting Korea, officially apologized at a meeting of top Korean and Japanese leaders." (Yoshimi, p.35)
"After these announcements, the government conducted a limited survey.. The government announced the findings of its inquiry on August 4, 1993." (Yoshimi, p.36)
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Hello, there's typo in the article.
In the 'Apologies and Compensation' section, "They introduced documents found by history Professor Yoshiaki Yoshida that had been stored at the Japanese Defense Agency since their return to Japan by United States troops in 1958.[64]" should be changed to "They introduced documents found by history Professor Yoshiaki Yoshimi that had been stored at the Japanese Defense Agency since their return to Japan by United States troops in 1958.[64]"
Thank you. Jk765 ( talk) 17:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I have one more edit request. In the 'Apologies and Compensation' section, "In 1994, the Japanese government set up the Asian Women's Fund to distribute additional compensation to South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and Indonesia.[61] Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the then prime minister Tomiichi Murayama.." should be changed to
"In 1994, the Japanese government set up the Asian Women's Fund to distribute additional compensation to South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and Indonesia.[61] However, many former comfort women rejected the compensations because the funds did not come from the Japanese government but from private donations. Each survivor who accepted the AWF compensation was provided with a signed apology from the then prime minister Tomiichi Murayama.."
Sources:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6530197.stm)
""The very first criticism we received," he said, "was that the Japanese government was running away from their responsibility and using the Asian Women's Fund as cover."
"It is true that it was not state compensation. Although the Japanese government spent lots of money on this, we were not able to give the impression that the government was taking full responsibility.""
"There were further difficulties with the letter of apology signed by the prime minister, which was given to each victim.
Copies of the letter were delivered by the Asian Women's Fund rather than by diplomats.
Activists in South Korea and Taiwan claimed that the letter was a personal not an official one, and that the money available was from charity funds rather than state compensation.
They persuaded more than half the former comfort women in the two countries not to accept the money.
In fact, the women in these countries were compensated locally if they said they did not want to receive the Japanese money.
Mr Wada said there was a similar debate in the Philippines.."
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/korea.html
"Of the 207 authenticated [Korean former comfort women], 72 had died, 135 were still alive, with 2 of them residing outside the country, as of November 2002."
"the media in [South Korea], with only a few exceptions, criticized the Fund's project implementation."
"seven victims.. received Fund benefits"
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/taiwan.html
"The [Taipei Women's Rescue Foundation] demanded that Japan pay state compensation and strongly opposed the Asian Women's Fund".
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/netherlands-00.html
"Immediately after the Asian Women's Fund was established in 1995, the Foreign Ministry of Japan began preparations to facilitate implementation of Asian Women's Fund projects in the Netherlands. Because the right to claim reparation for war damage had been already settled through the San Francisco Peace Treaty, the Government of the Netherlands urged Japan to speak directly with those concerned. As the result, discussions took place with those who were related to the JES. "
"The Foundation of Japanese Honorary Debts (JES, established in the Netherlands in 1990) demanded that the Japanese Government recognize legal responsibility and pay compensation.. The standpoint of JES was that only the Japanese Government was directly responsible for compensation."
"After long negotiations, it was agreed that medical and welfare assistance was to be provided for the individuals and the total amount of the fund from the Japanese Government was to be 255 million yen."
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Hello, I would like to add a sentence to the article.
In the 'Apologies and Compensation' section, after the sentence "Eventually, 11 former comfort women accepted funds from the AWF along with the signed apology, while 142 others received funds from the government of Korea.[63][64]",
it should be added that "The AWF was controversial among Taiwanese, Filipino, and Dutch victims as well because the compensations did not come from the Japanese government but from private donations."
Sources:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6530197.stm
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/taiwan.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/netherlands-00.html
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I just wanted to check up on this possible contradiction. In the first section, third paragraph it states:
However in the description text for the image of Jan Ruff O'Herne it states:
As this page concerns "Comfort Women" and is talking about women who were kidnapped for the sake of sexual slavery this is somewhat confusing. Were these women captured and coincidentally raped, or were they kidnapped for sexual slavery. If the former is true, than it seems a little misleading to include it, as it isn't talking about women who were enslaved. However if the latter is true then one of these numbers is wrong. Either it's thousands of Dutch women, or 300 Dutch women. 58.7.222.115 ( talk) 02:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Can we have the price range it cost for a Japanese or Korean in the Imperial army. To pay for a comfort woman 1.5 Yen - 2 Yen. When a soldiers monthly pay was 6 Yen per month. You can use the US army source [18] and the Australian source [51] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.254.85.104 ( talk) 02:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Modern idealist revision should be struck out. Confort women were considered prostitutes until the early 1990's in Korea. The South Korean government provided them during the Korean war to both Korean and US soldiers. see relative wiki article. The South Korean government provided them after the Korean war to the US based soldiers. Both times they were still called wianfu. It was never considered a bad thing until the 1990's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.254.85.104 ( talk) 02:41, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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In the "History of the Issue" section, "Following multiple testimonies the Kono Statement of 1993 was issued claiming that coercion was involved.[57]" is inaccurate.
It should be changed to "After three Korean former comfort women sued the Japanese government in December 1991, and Prof. Yoshiaki Yoshimi published documents in a Japanese newspaper in January 1992 indicating that the Japanese military had played a large role in running the comfort women system, the Japanese government conducted a 20-month study on the issue of comfort women. The Japanese government announced the findings of this study in August 1993, along with which they released the Kono Statement. In the Kono Statement, they admitted that coercion was involved in the recruitment of the women, and also sincerely apologized to the comfort women."
Sources:
http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-02.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-03.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/document.html
Yoshimi, Yoshiaki. Comfort Women, 2000. p.35-36
Footnote 66
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The heading of this section does not seem to describe its content. I don't see any information about controversies in there, but rather information about disagreements from Japanese sources with the source-supported material presented in other sections of the article. "Disagreements from Japanese sources" seems clumsy, but perhaps someone can come up with another heading which better describes the content of this section. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
This is a semi-protected space, so I understand content is more sensitive. If you have objections to including a section on the post-WW2 legacy of the comfort women system in Korea, please include your reasons here. It is my understanding that aftermaths are usually very helpful in giving historical context to a particular phenomenon (in this case, the Japanese comfort women system). And yes, the South Korean system did included girls forced into prostitution. Thanks!-- Imbored2013 ( talk) 19:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Is there any links to online source where people can read about Korean system with forced prostitution (I'm guessing you mean they were unpaid sex slaves forced by the Korean Government)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.90.227 ( talk) 08:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
"It must be noted that so long as even one was abducted...it becomes a crime." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.238.175.109 ( talk) 00:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
These type of misleading statement from relatively isolated incidents should be removed. Majority of comfort women were Japanese and Japanese and Korean solders PAID. Korean recruiters recruited. "According to testimony, young women from countries under Japanese Imperial control were abducted from their homes. In many cases, women were also lured with promises of work in factories or restaurants. " Statement itself is contradiction. Person cannot be "lured with promises" and "abducted from home". Korea had Korean police, Korean recruiters, Korean leaders, and some Korean solders were recruited. There was no frequent report of abduction. So proper wording should be. Korean recruiter sometimes lured with promises...
USA war report "Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49." "The inducement used by these agents was plenty of money, an opportunity to pay off the family debts, easy work, and the prospect of a new life in a new land, Singapore. On the basis of these false representations many girls enlisted for overseas duty and were rewarded with an advance of a few hundred yen.
The majority of the girls were ignorant and uneducated, although a few had been connected with "oldest profession on earth" before. The contract they signed bound them to Army regulations and to war for the "house master " for a period of from six months to a year depending on the family debt for which they were advanced ...
Approximately 800 of these girls were recruited in this manner and they landed with their Japanese "house master " at Rangoon around August 20th, 1942." [1] So clearly they were NOT abducted. And comfort women was NOT rescued, but part of "japanese prisoner of war". Real7777 ( talk) 01:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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"Many women responded to calls for work as factory workers or nurses, and did not know" "In the early stages of the war, Japanese authorities recruited prostitutes through conventional means." "Many women were tricked or defrauded into joining the military brothels." "especially in the countryside where middlemen were rare, the military often directly demanded that local leaders procure women for the brothels." "The South Korean government designated Bae Jeong-ja as a pro-Japan collaborator (chinilpa) in September 2007 for recruiting comfort women." "estimated the number of women working in the licensed pleasure quarter was fewer than 20,000 and that they were 40% Japanese, 20% Koreans, 10% Chinese, with others making up the remaining 30%." "200 to 300 European women working in the Japanese military brothels, “some sixty five were most certainly forced into prostitution.” "The Japanese officers involved received some punishment by Japanese authorities at the end of the war.[48] After the end of the war, 11 Japanese officers were found guilty with one soldier being sentenced to death by the Batavia War Criminal Court.[48] The court decision found that the charges those who raped violated were the Army's order to hire only voluntary women." "He quotes from the diary of Gordon Thomas, a POW in Rabaul. Thomas writes that the women working at the brothels “most likely served 25 to 35 men a day” and that they were “victims of the yellow slave trade.”" "During World War II, the Shōwa regime implemented in Korea, a prostitution system similar to the one established in other parts of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Korean agents, Korean Kempeitai (military police) and military auxiliaries were involved in the procurement and organization of comfort women, and made use of their services.[53] Chong-song Pak found that "Koreans under Japanese rule became fully acculturated as main actors in the licensed prostitution system that was transplanted in their country by the colonial state"." "In 1973 a man named Kakou Senda wrote a book about the comfort women system but focused on Japanese participants. His book has been widely criticized as distorting the facts by both Japanese and Korean historians" "Japanese historian and Nihon University professor, Ikuhiko Hata estimates the number of comfort women to be more likely between 10,000 and 20,000.[4] Hata writes that none of the comfort women were forcibly recruited" "Kobayashi's book contains an interview with Taiwanese industrialist Shi Wen-long who stated that no women were forced to serve, and that they worked in more hygienic conditions compared to regular prostitutes because the use of condoms was mandatory" "In the aftermath of the war, the women recalled bouts of physical and mental abuses that they had experienced while working in military brothels. In the Rorschach test, the women showed distorted perceptions, difficulty in managing emotional reactions and internalized anger." And here's link to website with countless references. http://www.sdh-fact.com/index.html [2] Real7777 ( talk) 04:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Case of Japanese comfort women by the U.S. Army. Description of this fact Where is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.119.209.71 ( talk) 01:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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That it is written here, is biased content lies, false 153.185.51.231 ( talk) 06:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( WP:SNOW) closure). The nominator is strongly advised to find something else to do on Wikipedia than continuing to push the agenda of relativizing the significance of this topic by mixing it up with others. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Comfort women →
Comfort women in Empire of Japan – Because this article makes it ambiguous that the words comfort women are literal translation words of Japanese word 慰安婦(いあんふ) and Korean word 위안부(慰安婦).
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Before Mar. 2014, or before, the term comfort women have been used in Recreation and Amusement Association and Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military. So the neccessity for some linkages to those articles is obvious. First, I thought the usage of template:about the best way. So I proposed that way. But I could not make the consensus on this proposal. Second, I thought the usage of template:redirect like Microsoft Windows and proposed to change the article name. ( windows redirects to Microsoft Windows and template:redirect to Windows (disambiguation) exists in Microsoft Windows.) But I could not make the consensus, too. The usage of comfort women in those articles continues today. So, as the third way, I have made simple linkages to those articles. If you think that the term comfort women should not be used on Recreation and Amusement Association and Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military, you should remove this term from those articles with the consensus in Talk:Recreation and Amusement Association and Talk:Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military, before removing the linkages in this article. Technically the removal of the term from those articles is not difficult. Just replacement of the term comfort women with ianfu in Recreation and Amusement Association and replacement of the term comfort women with wianbu in Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military are enough. If you seem it difficult and you want me to propose the replacement, I will make the proposal there. So please ask me hear. NiceDay ( talk) 03:35, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Result: Disambiguation would be useful.
There is consensus that disambiguation would be useful, but no consensus and no clear proposal as to what form such disambiguation might take. Given that previous proposals have not gained consensus, further discussion is needed before disambiguation can be implemented.
There were also comments about whether the article content is neutral or not, but that is out-of-scope for this RfC.
The term comfort women is a literal translation of a Japanese term ianfu or a Korean term wianbu. Concerning Recreation and Amusement Association and Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military these words are used in a different meaning from the article comfort women where the comfort women in the Japanese Empire era is described. Since I thought some disambiguation between the article comfort women and other articles necessary, I proposed some methods. But I could make no consensus. So I want to ask you weather the disambiguation is useful or useless ? NiceDay ( talk) 03:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
[Here is more or less what you see at: ]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Japanese term ianfu (慰安婦,いあんふ) is a euphemism for military prostitute. It may refer to:
See also: wianbu
[Here is what you see at]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wianbu may refer to:
Hi all. In my humble opinion, the story that comfort women were prostitutes forced into slavery by the Japanese Army is a hoax. Here is my evidence to support it:
1. In the U.S. Army's Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49, it is said that comfort women were recruited on their own volition, that they lived comfortably and could turn down Japanese soldiers if they wanted to, that marriages took place, and that they could go into town on they own and buy stuff, they had plenty of food, and that some women were sad that they were unable to service all of the Imperial Army soldiers. Do sexual slaves really feel that way? I verily think not. Source: http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html.
2. The testimony of Seiji Yoshida, on which most "facts" about the comfort women are based, was fraudulent; Yoshida himself confessed to this.
Sayonara!
-A Japanese historian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.215.4.43 ( talk) 14:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)