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touch —Preceding unsigned comment added by R3tr0 ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I think its a good idea to have links to some Comet servers. Some 78.232.434.22 guy added a link to. Some other guy who hasn't contributed to the page removed it, but I thought it was useful so I added it back in. If you know of any other Comet servers that have free or open source editions like StreamHub please add - I think it is useful so a lot of people don't have to re-invent the Comet wheel from scratch in PHP - trust me I tried! :). Please discuss. Danke. :)
CometGuru ( talk) 00:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a community edition that is free. I'd waste all week referencing wikipedia articles that link commercial products. MySQL is a quick example, it's a commercial product but it's linked from Wikipedia. Woods01 ( talk) 23:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't CGI:IRC doing COMET in the early 2000s?
68.224.90.49 ( talk) 03:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. I was using Comet style updates (we called them 'slow load') in 2003 for the Russound Media Server ( http://www.russound.com/product_detail.php?i=3241 ) and more primitive versions as far back as 2001 for IntelliNet RS1000 ( http://www.twice.com/article/249540-IntelliNet_Merges_Audio_Home_Control_Systems.php ) KevinSeghetti ( talk) 20:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
These words should not be used because I feel it creates confusion with what an actual HTTP persistent connection is, which from what I am reading on the sources, Comet does not use. I am reading that Comet sends one HTTP request and the HTTP response is slowly fed back to the client through emulating lag on the server through some sleep method. A persistent connection is an actual connection that is kept alive after the initial HTTP request and response for sending additional HTTP requests and responses. How does Comet let me send additional HTTP requests without creating an additional connection? It doesn't from what I am reading, unless Java or a similar technology is used for the request, but this article mostly talks about XMLHttpRequest and IFRAME, which do not allow this as far as I've seen. I feel this needs to be reworded to "long-lived" under implementations or sources are needed that state an HTTP persistent connection is used. -- Quilokos ( talk) 06:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Since when? Both a Java applet and the Flash swf can only communicate with the host they were served from. They also cannot write files, or generally do anything the browser wouldn't be allowed to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.119.215.193 ( talk) 20:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This is indeed false and I removed the claim.-- 85.77.166.16 ( talk) 09:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is tagged with multiple issues, but I think some of them can be cleared.
I have been working with ajax/javascript/html, and I approve the *technical content* in this article, except for the following sections (I can't tell with precision if their content is exact, but none of it sounds false to me) : the header, the historic part on netscape in XMLHttpRequest, the details on cross-site scripting (I know it's disallowed by browsers in some situations, but I can't confirm which), History and Alternatives.
These sections have a sufficient number of external references to my mind. For the part about BOSH, some say it does use the "Comet" technique (so it might not be an alternative) : http://metajack.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/xmpp-is-better-with-bosh/ .
As for advertizing, I can't see any. There are some product/company names in the "First Comet applications", but they are very different companies, and I think the major companies using this technology have been included.
The main problem I think is that this term is a neologism that I haven't seen anywhere before. But if it's the only problem, I suggest keeping this article (only renaming it, or merging it with another article, such as [AJAX] (but it may be too technical for this merging)), because it's a good review of techniques that can be used to have a stream of events going from a server to a web browser.
Jahvascriptmaniac ( talk) 17:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
The article links a "HTML 5 draft specification produced by the Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG)" which is a very outdated draft document. The current version ( http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/, 2010-07-16) does not mention the concepts of server-side events, I guess they have been removed from the specification. Maybe this shouldn't be listed as an alternative then if it didn't make it into the draft standard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.111.233.185 ( talk) 10:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The web-based chat in Gmail ( GTalk) it's a Jabber client, and it's based on BOSH, defined in XMPP Protocol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.55.140.181 ( talk) 15:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I've protected this article for a couple of weeks from editing. Perhaps those interested need to decide if they're writing a collaborative encyclopedia or playing tennis - Peripitus (Talk) 08:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
My recommendation is to restore most of the content of the article as of this version before Damiens.rf went on his deletion spree in 2008. Some of his criticisms at that point were legitimate, so I recommend that some third party, ideally someone with some knowledge of Comet or back-end Web programming, make such changes as to fix whatever problems there are with that version. – jacobolus (t) 23:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Should the article use as a mark of quotation:
-- damiens.rf 17:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Should the citation #13 (Rob Butler, et al. ) be formatted
-- damiens.rf 17:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Should the article link to "Comet Daily""?
Folks, just my 2c. (1) straight quotes vs curly. The difference is trivial and barely discernible (on my monitor) and the WP:MOS thing is a recommendation. It's hard to care about this and impossible to see why it's worth an edit war over. (2) I use the cite web (easier and more maintainable) but prefer the first as it's a bit less messy in the edit window, given that both look mostly the same to readers it's simply not worth the effort of caring over, especially as the text of the article is far from a polished complete article. This , however, is beside the most important points. A bugzilla link is hardly a reliable source, and linking to a conversation to assert that such is (or was) hapenning is verging on
original research—where is the third-party source for this sentence ?. Personally I'd remove the text this relates to AND the reference. As for the external link, sorry but my flabber is to gasted by the quotation mark thing to comment. 100 edits since January has resulted in no substantive change to the article. Perhaps it's time to take the article off watchlists, and move on ?
Peripitus
(Talk) 12:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
XMLHttpRequest enhancements: Comet streaming support (which links here). Yappy2bhere ( talk) 22:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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touch —Preceding unsigned comment added by R3tr0 ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I think its a good idea to have links to some Comet servers. Some 78.232.434.22 guy added a link to. Some other guy who hasn't contributed to the page removed it, but I thought it was useful so I added it back in. If you know of any other Comet servers that have free or open source editions like StreamHub please add - I think it is useful so a lot of people don't have to re-invent the Comet wheel from scratch in PHP - trust me I tried! :). Please discuss. Danke. :)
CometGuru ( talk) 00:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a community edition that is free. I'd waste all week referencing wikipedia articles that link commercial products. MySQL is a quick example, it's a commercial product but it's linked from Wikipedia. Woods01 ( talk) 23:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't CGI:IRC doing COMET in the early 2000s?
68.224.90.49 ( talk) 03:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. I was using Comet style updates (we called them 'slow load') in 2003 for the Russound Media Server ( http://www.russound.com/product_detail.php?i=3241 ) and more primitive versions as far back as 2001 for IntelliNet RS1000 ( http://www.twice.com/article/249540-IntelliNet_Merges_Audio_Home_Control_Systems.php ) KevinSeghetti ( talk) 20:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
These words should not be used because I feel it creates confusion with what an actual HTTP persistent connection is, which from what I am reading on the sources, Comet does not use. I am reading that Comet sends one HTTP request and the HTTP response is slowly fed back to the client through emulating lag on the server through some sleep method. A persistent connection is an actual connection that is kept alive after the initial HTTP request and response for sending additional HTTP requests and responses. How does Comet let me send additional HTTP requests without creating an additional connection? It doesn't from what I am reading, unless Java or a similar technology is used for the request, but this article mostly talks about XMLHttpRequest and IFRAME, which do not allow this as far as I've seen. I feel this needs to be reworded to "long-lived" under implementations or sources are needed that state an HTTP persistent connection is used. -- Quilokos ( talk) 06:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Since when? Both a Java applet and the Flash swf can only communicate with the host they were served from. They also cannot write files, or generally do anything the browser wouldn't be allowed to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.119.215.193 ( talk) 20:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This is indeed false and I removed the claim.-- 85.77.166.16 ( talk) 09:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is tagged with multiple issues, but I think some of them can be cleared.
I have been working with ajax/javascript/html, and I approve the *technical content* in this article, except for the following sections (I can't tell with precision if their content is exact, but none of it sounds false to me) : the header, the historic part on netscape in XMLHttpRequest, the details on cross-site scripting (I know it's disallowed by browsers in some situations, but I can't confirm which), History and Alternatives.
These sections have a sufficient number of external references to my mind. For the part about BOSH, some say it does use the "Comet" technique (so it might not be an alternative) : http://metajack.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/xmpp-is-better-with-bosh/ .
As for advertizing, I can't see any. There are some product/company names in the "First Comet applications", but they are very different companies, and I think the major companies using this technology have been included.
The main problem I think is that this term is a neologism that I haven't seen anywhere before. But if it's the only problem, I suggest keeping this article (only renaming it, or merging it with another article, such as [AJAX] (but it may be too technical for this merging)), because it's a good review of techniques that can be used to have a stream of events going from a server to a web browser.
Jahvascriptmaniac ( talk) 17:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
The article links a "HTML 5 draft specification produced by the Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG)" which is a very outdated draft document. The current version ( http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/, 2010-07-16) does not mention the concepts of server-side events, I guess they have been removed from the specification. Maybe this shouldn't be listed as an alternative then if it didn't make it into the draft standard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.111.233.185 ( talk) 10:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The web-based chat in Gmail ( GTalk) it's a Jabber client, and it's based on BOSH, defined in XMPP Protocol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.55.140.181 ( talk) 15:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I've protected this article for a couple of weeks from editing. Perhaps those interested need to decide if they're writing a collaborative encyclopedia or playing tennis - Peripitus (Talk) 08:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
My recommendation is to restore most of the content of the article as of this version before Damiens.rf went on his deletion spree in 2008. Some of his criticisms at that point were legitimate, so I recommend that some third party, ideally someone with some knowledge of Comet or back-end Web programming, make such changes as to fix whatever problems there are with that version. – jacobolus (t) 23:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Should the article use as a mark of quotation:
-- damiens.rf 17:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Should the citation #13 (Rob Butler, et al. ) be formatted
-- damiens.rf 17:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Should the article link to "Comet Daily""?
Folks, just my 2c. (1) straight quotes vs curly. The difference is trivial and barely discernible (on my monitor) and the WP:MOS thing is a recommendation. It's hard to care about this and impossible to see why it's worth an edit war over. (2) I use the cite web (easier and more maintainable) but prefer the first as it's a bit less messy in the edit window, given that both look mostly the same to readers it's simply not worth the effort of caring over, especially as the text of the article is far from a polished complete article. This , however, is beside the most important points. A bugzilla link is hardly a reliable source, and linking to a conversation to assert that such is (or was) hapenning is verging on
original research—where is the third-party source for this sentence ?. Personally I'd remove the text this relates to AND the reference. As for the external link, sorry but my flabber is to gasted by the quotation mark thing to comment. 100 edits since January has resulted in no substantive change to the article. Perhaps it's time to take the article off watchlists, and move on ?
Peripitus
(Talk) 12:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
XMLHttpRequest enhancements: Comet streaming support (which links here). Yappy2bhere ( talk) 22:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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