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I'm just now noticing this thread. While I agree that including the whole quote as a footnote might be excessive, it does seem to me that the citation is really useful -- a link to the primary text, in addition to the secondary source already cited, would be really useful. Any objections to restoring that simple link with some bibliographic data? - Pete ( talk) 15:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear English editors, French wikipedians sharply improved the French version of this subject to an impressive extand, with the finest maps possible. We are pleased to share with you our content : ) Yug (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I recently offered changes to the "New Waves of Explorers" section of this article but User:Finetooth kindly pointed out that I should seek feedback on the talk page before making significant changes to a featured article. I didn't mean to remove any current text or sources, but wanted to insert a mention that the Columbia River used to be called by some the Oregon River. The Oregon Blue Book explains that the very first written record of the name Oregon was in reference to the river (not the territory), and the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910 mentions that Oregon State took its name from the river. I propose it's worth mentioning in the article that the land originally took its name from the river rather than vice versa because this conveys how central the river was in the minds of the early European explorers of the region. I propose the following text and the first or both of the following sources be used. Appreciate feedback, I'm a novice editor. http://www.bluebook.state.or.us/facts/almanac/almanac04.htm http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11288a.htm
In the 18th century, there was strong interest in discovering a Northwest Passage through which ships could navigate between the Pacific Ocean and either the Atlantic or major rivers of inland North America such as the Missouri or Mississippi. In 1765 Major Robert Rogers petitioned the Kingdom of Great Britain, seeking money to finance such an expedition, writing "the rout . . . is from the Great Lakes towards the Head of the Mississippi, and from thence to the River called by the Indians Ouragon. . . .”[source] This is the first documented use of the name "Oregon," thus the early Oregon Territory and now the present day state of Oregon took their names from the river now known as the Columbia River.[source] -- Isaac.holeman ( talk) 08:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't remember exactly why we decided to remove the reference to the 1960s plan to divert the Columbia to California -- I think we had trouble finding solid sources besides Cadillac Desert. Wanted to bring this up again; I just found an interesting article about a testy exchange between Congressman Walter Norblad and President Harry Truman on the topic. I've also recently acquired a copy of Cadillac Desert. It's a pretty highly-regarded book on the topic of the river development in the American West, something I (or we) may not have realized when this topic came up before. Anyway, thinking it might be worth reconsidering a brief mention of this. - Pete ( talk) 18:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The Navigation section should state the furthest point upriver to which ships can navigate. I have only been able to find that the USCG has determined that it is navigable at least up to the Canadian border. M Carling 06:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Is this old photograph from 1883 by Carleton Watkins worth including?
Candleabracadabra ( talk) 18:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I also found this one dated 1867 "near Celilo".
Candleabracadabra ( talk) 18:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more here about roads and railroads along the river? At least links to articles about those that follow the riverbank for a significant distance? I came here looking for that and was quite surprised not to see it. - Jmabel | Talk 04:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Would anyone object to a brief expansion on information about the tidal processes/system of the Columbia (maybe all tidal river articles for that matter)? I just find it odd that there's such a heavy emphasis on discharge without much mention of what type of tidal system the CR happens to be - mixed semidiurnal, salinity intrusion, etc. I can help provide some information if the community sees that as important. I was thinking of adding it as a sub-section under "Course" beneath "Discharge" Curoi ( talk) 16:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
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@ Peteforsyth, Finetooth, and Pfly: May 18th 2017 marks the 225th anniversary of the Columbia River's European naming. Would any of the article's editors be interested in nominating the page as TFA for that date? -- NoGhost ( talk) 18:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
How is the article coming? I'd like to run it at TFA on July 25 (because that's the only date I have open in July). - Dank ( push to talk) 18:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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In this edit User:Finetooth decided to remove a ref plus an extract of text from it (that appeared in the notes, NOT in the main article body) stating "please discuss large-scale changes on talk page before making them". I have readded the ref, plus the text (now in the main body) stating: "REJECT assertion that including ref which cites relevant portion of pub dom primary src. as footnote is "large-scale change" or that I have to get approval for simple edits first." If you think the extract is too long then pare it down. If you think that the extract doesn't improve the article then say so when removing it, but leave the ref. If you think that its unnecessary to use if its mentioned in the first, then say so when taking it out (though I don't see how removing the ref itself improves the article at all). But don't assert that an edit that literally doesn't change the meaning of the body text is a "large-scale change" or that I somehow have to get your approval first. -- Limulus ( talk) 21:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm just now noticing this thread. While I agree that including the whole quote as a footnote might be excessive, it does seem to me that the citation is really useful -- a link to the primary text, in addition to the secondary source already cited, would be really useful. Any objections to restoring that simple link with some bibliographic data? - Pete ( talk) 15:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear English editors, French wikipedians sharply improved the French version of this subject to an impressive extand, with the finest maps possible. We are pleased to share with you our content : ) Yug (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I recently offered changes to the "New Waves of Explorers" section of this article but User:Finetooth kindly pointed out that I should seek feedback on the talk page before making significant changes to a featured article. I didn't mean to remove any current text or sources, but wanted to insert a mention that the Columbia River used to be called by some the Oregon River. The Oregon Blue Book explains that the very first written record of the name Oregon was in reference to the river (not the territory), and the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910 mentions that Oregon State took its name from the river. I propose it's worth mentioning in the article that the land originally took its name from the river rather than vice versa because this conveys how central the river was in the minds of the early European explorers of the region. I propose the following text and the first or both of the following sources be used. Appreciate feedback, I'm a novice editor. http://www.bluebook.state.or.us/facts/almanac/almanac04.htm http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11288a.htm
In the 18th century, there was strong interest in discovering a Northwest Passage through which ships could navigate between the Pacific Ocean and either the Atlantic or major rivers of inland North America such as the Missouri or Mississippi. In 1765 Major Robert Rogers petitioned the Kingdom of Great Britain, seeking money to finance such an expedition, writing "the rout . . . is from the Great Lakes towards the Head of the Mississippi, and from thence to the River called by the Indians Ouragon. . . .”[source] This is the first documented use of the name "Oregon," thus the early Oregon Territory and now the present day state of Oregon took their names from the river now known as the Columbia River.[source] -- Isaac.holeman ( talk) 08:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't remember exactly why we decided to remove the reference to the 1960s plan to divert the Columbia to California -- I think we had trouble finding solid sources besides Cadillac Desert. Wanted to bring this up again; I just found an interesting article about a testy exchange between Congressman Walter Norblad and President Harry Truman on the topic. I've also recently acquired a copy of Cadillac Desert. It's a pretty highly-regarded book on the topic of the river development in the American West, something I (or we) may not have realized when this topic came up before. Anyway, thinking it might be worth reconsidering a brief mention of this. - Pete ( talk) 18:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The Navigation section should state the furthest point upriver to which ships can navigate. I have only been able to find that the USCG has determined that it is navigable at least up to the Canadian border. M Carling 06:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Is this old photograph from 1883 by Carleton Watkins worth including?
Candleabracadabra ( talk) 18:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I also found this one dated 1867 "near Celilo".
Candleabracadabra ( talk) 18:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more here about roads and railroads along the river? At least links to articles about those that follow the riverbank for a significant distance? I came here looking for that and was quite surprised not to see it. - Jmabel | Talk 04:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Would anyone object to a brief expansion on information about the tidal processes/system of the Columbia (maybe all tidal river articles for that matter)? I just find it odd that there's such a heavy emphasis on discharge without much mention of what type of tidal system the CR happens to be - mixed semidiurnal, salinity intrusion, etc. I can help provide some information if the community sees that as important. I was thinking of adding it as a sub-section under "Course" beneath "Discharge" Curoi ( talk) 16:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
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@ Peteforsyth, Finetooth, and Pfly: May 18th 2017 marks the 225th anniversary of the Columbia River's European naming. Would any of the article's editors be interested in nominating the page as TFA for that date? -- NoGhost ( talk) 18:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
How is the article coming? I'd like to run it at TFA on July 25 (because that's the only date I have open in July). - Dank ( push to talk) 18:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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