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Is there any explination of 'colonel' being pronounced as 'popcorn kernel'? These comments may be specific for my accent, but in reading, the word 'colonel' consists of three sylables, yet when pronouncing it as 'kernel' it is only two. Also, where does the second 'l' disapear to? 220.245.175.21 09:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure silver eagle works for Navy Captain too? I know their usual insignia to go by is the stripes on their cuffs and epaulets, but I wouldn't rule out their using an eagle too. But a cite would certainly help soothe my doubts. ;) -- JohnOwens 06:19 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I was wondering why we have the German translation in the first line? I checked and found that Oberst redirects to this page, but we don't seem to discuss them, is this a good redirect? fabiform | talk 17:50, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Auctioneers who are auction school graduates have traditionally been referred to as Colonel because at the end of the Civil War, the Colonel of the winning army was called upon to auction off the "spoils of warfare". What civil war is this referring to? -- Markhadman 16:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
In Received Pronunciation the word is pronounced as "kernel" without a rhotic R (/ˈkɜ:nəl/), and the IPA transcription on the page (IPA: /ˈkɜrnəl/) does not seem well as it contains a "r". So maybe it's better if we write both pronunciations? Lgsoltek ( talk) 16:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
why is colonel spelled without the letter R? JRS
I suggest we merged this article with the main article on Colonel. Whatever its name or etymology is in various languages, it's basically still the same grade. And wiki is not a dictionary. Halibu tt 04:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes all entries should be on the main page.Right now they are already some strange changes like attempts to merge the term from three countries into Russian entry etc.So it would be better to enter it just here. -- Molobo 12:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
After having more of a look at these articles, I'm reconsidering. Modern Canadian, U.K., and U.S. clearly share a similar heritage, and most modern ranks are very similar. The Western European/Roman tradition is different from the tradition of polkovnyks in old Rus, and possibly the German Oberst, so this article would have more history than corporal, but there is less history material than I originally thought. It's interesting how diverse traditions led to essentially the same post of unit commander. I could easily be convinced that it's best to merge all of these, and if eg, Colonel (USA) keeps growing, then it can still have its place here and a main article link to the big version. This may also be a better way to deal with the strange division of polkovnik, polkovnyk, and pułkownik. — Michael Z. 2005-11-21 23:08 Z
What is all this about Romans and the word colonel? As in:
I have read a lot about the Roman military and never come across any such thing. WP:BALLS perhaps? Gaius Cornelius 19:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC).
In the south it was customary for gentlemen to be refered to as Colonel. This could come from actual military service, training as an auctioneer, legal training, an appointment as aide de camp from the gevernor, or as in Kentucky membership in an organization. Would anyone else like to see this information included in the article, or should it be kept to the military rank?
I'm too lazy to go out and do any real research, but my guess as to why the word is pronounced "Kernel" and not "Colonel" is this: "L" and the tapped "R" sound (like in most Romance languages) are very similar sounds. I imagine that the the word was corrupted to "Coronel" (and remains today in Portuguese and Spanish) due to the similarity between the R and L, and that the pronunciation "Kernel" is a combination of a vowel shift and a slur (Cor- to -Ker, and the dropping of the middle "o").
Just my two cents. 71.235.66.254 00:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a contradiction in this article.
The rank of Colonel is one of the oldest in existence, dating as far back as the time of the Roman Empire,
The rank of Colonel is one of the oldest in existence, dating as far back as the time of the Roman Empire, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.105.190 ( talk) 08:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I think you've misquoted the very contradiction I opened up the discussion page to menion... Intro paragraph: "The rank of Colonel is one of the oldest in existence, dating as far back as the time of the Roman Empire" First line of 'History and Origins': "The term colonel derives from Latin columnella 'small column'. However, it was never actually a Roman rank" 128.189.190.199 ( talk) 09:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following essay with rather inappropriate language and no references. `' Míkka >t 18:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
(moved from my talk page)
Thanks for your observations. The Colonel page did indeed need much tidying, as it had got very unwieldly through successive edits. I think it is now much easier to read and navigate. I am glad that you agree. You have also removed a chunk of text, which is fine with me (I didn't write it!), though the editor who wrote it may want to respond.
With respect, the question of the two red links which I removed and you have replaced is still very much a live issue. There is a note to editors, which I'm sure you must have seen, asking that redlinks NOT be added to the lists of Colonels-by-country. You will also find much discussion about this on the Talk Page. We could just list the word 'Colonel' followed by the country name for EVERY country on earth! That would be silly. This is why an agreement had been reached that countries only be added to the list if a country-specific article already existed, or was just about to be written. Are you preparing articles about 'Colonel - India' or 'Colonel - Italy'? If not, why do you feel that these two countries should be listed here, as opposed to every other country in the world that has the rank of Colonel in its armed forces? With respect, my editing here was in line with the consensus opinion, and your reverts are at variance with that opinion. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 19:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like to get an explanation on what ground is Greece classified as a west-european country? Has the country miraculously been relocated to another part of the continent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.212.171.26 ( talk) 12:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Costa Rica does not have army. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.206.31.186 ( talk) 03:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that the Luxembourg army has now also a General, which is Gen. Gaston Reinig (see http://lb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Reinig which states that he is a general). He is chief commander of the Luxembourg army since 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.226.198.183 ( talk) 11:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/ranks/mdes.html has a quasi officer rank system with the rank ME7 equivalent to Colonel. Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 19:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone gather if this is still the case? And while I do not doubt that Colonel was indeed the highest rank in the Libyan military at least until this year, I have also seen many officers referred to as "General" (i.e. Major General Abdul Fatah Younis or Major General Abu-Bakr Yunis Jabr). Is this a matter of formality vs. actuality (that there were de facto generals, but Colonel Gaddafi did not want anyone to outrank him), or does this have to do more with various sources not taking this rank cap into account? Jetpower45 ( talk) 21:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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Is there any explination of 'colonel' being pronounced as 'popcorn kernel'? These comments may be specific for my accent, but in reading, the word 'colonel' consists of three sylables, yet when pronouncing it as 'kernel' it is only two. Also, where does the second 'l' disapear to? 220.245.175.21 09:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure silver eagle works for Navy Captain too? I know their usual insignia to go by is the stripes on their cuffs and epaulets, but I wouldn't rule out their using an eagle too. But a cite would certainly help soothe my doubts. ;) -- JohnOwens 06:19 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I was wondering why we have the German translation in the first line? I checked and found that Oberst redirects to this page, but we don't seem to discuss them, is this a good redirect? fabiform | talk 17:50, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Auctioneers who are auction school graduates have traditionally been referred to as Colonel because at the end of the Civil War, the Colonel of the winning army was called upon to auction off the "spoils of warfare". What civil war is this referring to? -- Markhadman 16:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
In Received Pronunciation the word is pronounced as "kernel" without a rhotic R (/ˈkɜ:nəl/), and the IPA transcription on the page (IPA: /ˈkɜrnəl/) does not seem well as it contains a "r". So maybe it's better if we write both pronunciations? Lgsoltek ( talk) 16:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
why is colonel spelled without the letter R? JRS
I suggest we merged this article with the main article on Colonel. Whatever its name or etymology is in various languages, it's basically still the same grade. And wiki is not a dictionary. Halibu tt 04:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes all entries should be on the main page.Right now they are already some strange changes like attempts to merge the term from three countries into Russian entry etc.So it would be better to enter it just here. -- Molobo 12:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
After having more of a look at these articles, I'm reconsidering. Modern Canadian, U.K., and U.S. clearly share a similar heritage, and most modern ranks are very similar. The Western European/Roman tradition is different from the tradition of polkovnyks in old Rus, and possibly the German Oberst, so this article would have more history than corporal, but there is less history material than I originally thought. It's interesting how diverse traditions led to essentially the same post of unit commander. I could easily be convinced that it's best to merge all of these, and if eg, Colonel (USA) keeps growing, then it can still have its place here and a main article link to the big version. This may also be a better way to deal with the strange division of polkovnik, polkovnyk, and pułkownik. — Michael Z. 2005-11-21 23:08 Z
What is all this about Romans and the word colonel? As in:
I have read a lot about the Roman military and never come across any such thing. WP:BALLS perhaps? Gaius Cornelius 19:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC).
In the south it was customary for gentlemen to be refered to as Colonel. This could come from actual military service, training as an auctioneer, legal training, an appointment as aide de camp from the gevernor, or as in Kentucky membership in an organization. Would anyone else like to see this information included in the article, or should it be kept to the military rank?
I'm too lazy to go out and do any real research, but my guess as to why the word is pronounced "Kernel" and not "Colonel" is this: "L" and the tapped "R" sound (like in most Romance languages) are very similar sounds. I imagine that the the word was corrupted to "Coronel" (and remains today in Portuguese and Spanish) due to the similarity between the R and L, and that the pronunciation "Kernel" is a combination of a vowel shift and a slur (Cor- to -Ker, and the dropping of the middle "o").
Just my two cents. 71.235.66.254 00:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a contradiction in this article.
The rank of Colonel is one of the oldest in existence, dating as far back as the time of the Roman Empire,
The rank of Colonel is one of the oldest in existence, dating as far back as the time of the Roman Empire, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.105.190 ( talk) 08:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I think you've misquoted the very contradiction I opened up the discussion page to menion... Intro paragraph: "The rank of Colonel is one of the oldest in existence, dating as far back as the time of the Roman Empire" First line of 'History and Origins': "The term colonel derives from Latin columnella 'small column'. However, it was never actually a Roman rank" 128.189.190.199 ( talk) 09:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following essay with rather inappropriate language and no references. `' Míkka >t 18:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
(moved from my talk page)
Thanks for your observations. The Colonel page did indeed need much tidying, as it had got very unwieldly through successive edits. I think it is now much easier to read and navigate. I am glad that you agree. You have also removed a chunk of text, which is fine with me (I didn't write it!), though the editor who wrote it may want to respond.
With respect, the question of the two red links which I removed and you have replaced is still very much a live issue. There is a note to editors, which I'm sure you must have seen, asking that redlinks NOT be added to the lists of Colonels-by-country. You will also find much discussion about this on the Talk Page. We could just list the word 'Colonel' followed by the country name for EVERY country on earth! That would be silly. This is why an agreement had been reached that countries only be added to the list if a country-specific article already existed, or was just about to be written. Are you preparing articles about 'Colonel - India' or 'Colonel - Italy'? If not, why do you feel that these two countries should be listed here, as opposed to every other country in the world that has the rank of Colonel in its armed forces? With respect, my editing here was in line with the consensus opinion, and your reverts are at variance with that opinion. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 19:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like to get an explanation on what ground is Greece classified as a west-european country? Has the country miraculously been relocated to another part of the continent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.212.171.26 ( talk) 12:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Costa Rica does not have army. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.206.31.186 ( talk) 03:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that the Luxembourg army has now also a General, which is Gen. Gaston Reinig (see http://lb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Reinig which states that he is a general). He is chief commander of the Luxembourg army since 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.226.198.183 ( talk) 11:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/ranks/mdes.html has a quasi officer rank system with the rank ME7 equivalent to Colonel. Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 19:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone gather if this is still the case? And while I do not doubt that Colonel was indeed the highest rank in the Libyan military at least until this year, I have also seen many officers referred to as "General" (i.e. Major General Abdul Fatah Younis or Major General Abu-Bakr Yunis Jabr). Is this a matter of formality vs. actuality (that there were de facto generals, but Colonel Gaddafi did not want anyone to outrank him), or does this have to do more with various sources not taking this rank cap into account? Jetpower45 ( talk) 21:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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