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Collet Barker has been listed as an explorer of WA? Is this because he hailed from there, or he explored there? I would suggest that unless he explored WA, the cat should be removed. SauliH 07:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think this needs a lot of work, first in its structure. Barker dies in the second paragraph, and then we have five paragraphs about him at Port Essington, when he was presumably still alive. And Sturt didn't name Mount Barker after him, someone else did much later. Sturt was confused about his longitude, and thought it was Mount Lofty he was looking at. Peter Bell ( talk) 09:56, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
User:William Allen Simpson has just removed this article from Category:Murdered explorers, giving as his reason that Barker was "military, killed by natives in self-defense", and as part of a failed wider CFD discussion, where User:Marcocapelle commented that:
While sources such as the Australian Dictionary of Biography and the Dictionary of Australian Biography describe him as being speared to death, without using the word "murder" as such, the Australian National Maritime Museum's website provides additional details:
Furthermore:
(Source: R.M. Gibbs, 2013, Under the Burning Sun - a history of colonial South Australia, 1836-1900 p.8. ISBN 978-1-921601-85-9)
Although the exact details of the encounter and killing are unknown, Barker was alone, unarmed, in his underwear, and from his reputation, probably anxious to make amicable contact with the Ngarrindjeri people he met. So, describing his death as being carried out in "self defence" by the Aboriginal people he met seems unlikely, and possibly has more to do with encountering individuals who bore personal grudges against Europeans, due to prior encounters with sealers.
It is worth noting that the area of the Coorong was quite densely populated by numerous Ngarrindjeri clans, and that when the Maria massacre took place here less than ten years later, the survivors were apparently initially treated in a friendly manner, before being killed under more complex circumstances. Bahudhara ( talk) 16:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Based upon your comments at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 5#Category:Murdered explorers, I've carefully moved over only those that appear to have been assassinated. Please prune any that you don't think belong.
William Allen Simpson (
talk) 19:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Collet Barker has been listed as an explorer of WA? Is this because he hailed from there, or he explored there? I would suggest that unless he explored WA, the cat should be removed. SauliH 07:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think this needs a lot of work, first in its structure. Barker dies in the second paragraph, and then we have five paragraphs about him at Port Essington, when he was presumably still alive. And Sturt didn't name Mount Barker after him, someone else did much later. Sturt was confused about his longitude, and thought it was Mount Lofty he was looking at. Peter Bell ( talk) 09:56, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
User:William Allen Simpson has just removed this article from Category:Murdered explorers, giving as his reason that Barker was "military, killed by natives in self-defense", and as part of a failed wider CFD discussion, where User:Marcocapelle commented that:
While sources such as the Australian Dictionary of Biography and the Dictionary of Australian Biography describe him as being speared to death, without using the word "murder" as such, the Australian National Maritime Museum's website provides additional details:
Furthermore:
(Source: R.M. Gibbs, 2013, Under the Burning Sun - a history of colonial South Australia, 1836-1900 p.8. ISBN 978-1-921601-85-9)
Although the exact details of the encounter and killing are unknown, Barker was alone, unarmed, in his underwear, and from his reputation, probably anxious to make amicable contact with the Ngarrindjeri people he met. So, describing his death as being carried out in "self defence" by the Aboriginal people he met seems unlikely, and possibly has more to do with encountering individuals who bore personal grudges against Europeans, due to prior encounters with sealers.
It is worth noting that the area of the Coorong was quite densely populated by numerous Ngarrindjeri clans, and that when the Maria massacre took place here less than ten years later, the survivors were apparently initially treated in a friendly manner, before being killed under more complex circumstances. Bahudhara ( talk) 16:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Based upon your comments at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 5#Category:Murdered explorers, I've carefully moved over only those that appear to have been assassinated. Please prune any that you don't think belong.
William Allen Simpson (
talk) 19:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)