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Re the quote of Pohl's view about this being "the first Toltec city"- does this mean after the fall of Tollan, or-? I understand the primary sources diverge on this point, some indicating Culhuacan's prominence post-dated the collapse at Tollan, others put it as being a contemporary ally.
Re the tale of the sacrifice of the Culhua ruler's daughter, I think it's possible that Yaocihuatl ("warrior woman") mentioned in the Cronica account is an epithet for (or a.k.a.) the deity Toci ("our grandmother")- see the entry on Toci, the primary source for the account there I think comes from Codex Duran. -- cjllw | TALK 09:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there seem almost to be two Culhuacans- the actual township close to Lake Texcoco, and the near-legendary contemporary of the Toltec, conceived as being "further away" (from the reference point of Tenochtitlan). Agreed on the need for rewrite, it does seem likely that the initial contribution's contents are originally from elsewhere.-- cjllw | TALK 23:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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Re the quote of Pohl's view about this being "the first Toltec city"- does this mean after the fall of Tollan, or-? I understand the primary sources diverge on this point, some indicating Culhuacan's prominence post-dated the collapse at Tollan, others put it as being a contemporary ally.
Re the tale of the sacrifice of the Culhua ruler's daughter, I think it's possible that Yaocihuatl ("warrior woman") mentioned in the Cronica account is an epithet for (or a.k.a.) the deity Toci ("our grandmother")- see the entry on Toci, the primary source for the account there I think comes from Codex Duran. -- cjllw | TALK 09:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there seem almost to be two Culhuacans- the actual township close to Lake Texcoco, and the near-legendary contemporary of the Toltec, conceived as being "further away" (from the reference point of Tenochtitlan). Agreed on the need for rewrite, it does seem likely that the initial contribution's contents are originally from elsewhere.-- cjllw | TALK 23:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)