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I don't think this article is very neutral - it seems to be filled with so-called 'underground' music marketing hyperbole. The phrases 'classic' 'breakthrough' 'groundbreaking' 'influential' 'took the U.K. by a [sic] storm' all appear in the first 3 paragraphs. Perhaps quoting the bands and reputable reviewers, then toning down the language in the main article.
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I amended the "Releases include" section to an album Discography. Here's what I removed:
Someone may want to add these back in under a "Discography: Singles" section... Gram 13:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I would agree that the article definitely has a sensationalist tone and the language is defintely over-the-top. For example, "such luminaries as Junior Reid (who, I'm afraid, I've never heard of - if he's such a 'luminary' then, surely, I'd have heard of him. Besides, the term is purely subjective; I would consider such artists as Paul Weller, Bob Geldof (whatever you might think of him) and Lemmy to be luminaries (thought I'd better mention Lemmy in case my boyfriend ever reads this!) You could add Freddie Mercury to that list as being (to the best of my knowledge) the first frontman to come out as homosexual. THAT'S my definition of a 'luminary' - someone who breaks the mould. Queen were luminaries too, of course, as Bohemian Rhapsody was the first song to have a video (at Freddie's insitence - without Freddie, channels like MTV, VH, Bliss, etc wouldn't exist).
What makes Queen Latifah a luminary? She wasn't the first female rap artist (though I couldn't tell you who the first was - please, someone, feel free to enlighten me). And as for Junior Reid - who, if he was such an eminent figure in, I assume, black music, then he'd have a Wikipedia entry - and I'd have heard of him).
Okay, I'll end this now, but I'll end it by saying that it really irks me when such words as 'eminent' 'luminary' 'superstar', etc., are bandied around, instead of being reserved for those who are truly worthy of such accolades as, eventually, they lose all meaning. Margo 19:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Junior Reid is indeed a luminary and in fact continues to work to this day as a distributed recording artist. Talk about ethnocentric! And as someone who was THERE at the time, I assure you Coldcut were a sensation! THey made the cover of NME no less than three times in a two year span and were routinely tapped for musical opinions and commentary. Furthermore, if you don't think a small startup label run from someone's spare room spawning three hit singles in less than a year is sensational then I suggest you tell us how it would be commonplace. Instead of arguing, why don't you read the article and LEARN something! That said, the marketing jargon is indeed too much and lacks reference as being intended or stated by Ninjatune. < Tednor ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Overall this is a very poorly written article, with obvious typo/grammar errors, and a lot of the facts are incorrect. I will try to amend as I see appropriate. Hiyahiyahiya 21:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
As someone who made contributions to this article, let me say that I am always grateful to the cleanup guys! I like to share what I know, get it out there. Neither my knowledge nor my writing will be "sterling' one hundred percent of the time. We are all in this together and "the process" is what makes Wiki work in the long run, so let's not disparage each other, but keep adding, shaping and correcting. It's all good. -- Tednor 08:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Surely Coldcut's best known single is Timber, which was accompanied by a video that featured prominently on MTV and elsewhere. The other singles mentioned were, according to the biog, from the very start of their career. Batterburger 18:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
the history seems to stop at 1991. there's no mention of Let Us Play. i thought that was their big classic breakthrough album, and that timber and beatsnpieces were big classic songs. whats up with that? Kansaikiwi ( talk) 00:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
From the article:
"...religious writings of J. R. "Bob" Dobbs as they do to..."
As far as I'm aware, Dobbs being a fictional character has never written anything. -- 212.188.161.8 ( talk) 08:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Moreover IIRC the Subgenious literature does not pretend to be written by Dobbs, but about him. ( 71.192.212.78 ( talk) 13:32, 8 May 2010 (UTC))
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I don't think this article is very neutral - it seems to be filled with so-called 'underground' music marketing hyperbole. The phrases 'classic' 'breakthrough' 'groundbreaking' 'influential' 'took the U.K. by a [sic] storm' all appear in the first 3 paragraphs. Perhaps quoting the bands and reputable reviewers, then toning down the language in the main article.
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I amended the "Releases include" section to an album Discography. Here's what I removed:
Someone may want to add these back in under a "Discography: Singles" section... Gram 13:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I would agree that the article definitely has a sensationalist tone and the language is defintely over-the-top. For example, "such luminaries as Junior Reid (who, I'm afraid, I've never heard of - if he's such a 'luminary' then, surely, I'd have heard of him. Besides, the term is purely subjective; I would consider such artists as Paul Weller, Bob Geldof (whatever you might think of him) and Lemmy to be luminaries (thought I'd better mention Lemmy in case my boyfriend ever reads this!) You could add Freddie Mercury to that list as being (to the best of my knowledge) the first frontman to come out as homosexual. THAT'S my definition of a 'luminary' - someone who breaks the mould. Queen were luminaries too, of course, as Bohemian Rhapsody was the first song to have a video (at Freddie's insitence - without Freddie, channels like MTV, VH, Bliss, etc wouldn't exist).
What makes Queen Latifah a luminary? She wasn't the first female rap artist (though I couldn't tell you who the first was - please, someone, feel free to enlighten me). And as for Junior Reid - who, if he was such an eminent figure in, I assume, black music, then he'd have a Wikipedia entry - and I'd have heard of him).
Okay, I'll end this now, but I'll end it by saying that it really irks me when such words as 'eminent' 'luminary' 'superstar', etc., are bandied around, instead of being reserved for those who are truly worthy of such accolades as, eventually, they lose all meaning. Margo 19:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Junior Reid is indeed a luminary and in fact continues to work to this day as a distributed recording artist. Talk about ethnocentric! And as someone who was THERE at the time, I assure you Coldcut were a sensation! THey made the cover of NME no less than three times in a two year span and were routinely tapped for musical opinions and commentary. Furthermore, if you don't think a small startup label run from someone's spare room spawning three hit singles in less than a year is sensational then I suggest you tell us how it would be commonplace. Instead of arguing, why don't you read the article and LEARN something! That said, the marketing jargon is indeed too much and lacks reference as being intended or stated by Ninjatune. < Tednor ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Overall this is a very poorly written article, with obvious typo/grammar errors, and a lot of the facts are incorrect. I will try to amend as I see appropriate. Hiyahiyahiya 21:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
As someone who made contributions to this article, let me say that I am always grateful to the cleanup guys! I like to share what I know, get it out there. Neither my knowledge nor my writing will be "sterling' one hundred percent of the time. We are all in this together and "the process" is what makes Wiki work in the long run, so let's not disparage each other, but keep adding, shaping and correcting. It's all good. -- Tednor 08:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Surely Coldcut's best known single is Timber, which was accompanied by a video that featured prominently on MTV and elsewhere. The other singles mentioned were, according to the biog, from the very start of their career. Batterburger 18:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
the history seems to stop at 1991. there's no mention of Let Us Play. i thought that was their big classic breakthrough album, and that timber and beatsnpieces were big classic songs. whats up with that? Kansaikiwi ( talk) 00:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
From the article:
"...religious writings of J. R. "Bob" Dobbs as they do to..."
As far as I'm aware, Dobbs being a fictional character has never written anything. -- 212.188.161.8 ( talk) 08:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Moreover IIRC the Subgenious literature does not pretend to be written by Dobbs, but about him. ( 71.192.212.78 ( talk) 13:32, 8 May 2010 (UTC))