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Sorry but I can't edit this page. The following excerpt has a misplaced apostrophe:
"He was a trainer and supplier to the founders of Starbuck's.[175]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.127.232.115 ( talk) 01:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Is a "short black" the same as an "espresso"? Should we distinguish or explain? Whiteghost.ink ( talk) 03:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing I see in this entry about coffee's helping prevent liver cancer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:4D52:153E:73FD:E7D7 ( talk) 15:04, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi,
Should you mention the patented 1890 invention by David Strang in NZ, as cited in the main instant coffee article? Kind regards, John 49.224.199.211 ( talk) 21:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
On Abu rais's edits. Princeton university is not netural? After doing some research it looks disputed maybe we should add both countries. Zekenyan ( talk) 21:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Why not just put "Red Sea region" for the origin, thereby avoiding any dispute? It seems odd to connect a country which didn't exist for numerous centuries after the discovery of coffee as its place of origin, since sit implies a connection between drink and country that doesn't exist. The geographic descriptor seems better in every way. Rwenonah ( talk) 01:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Zekenyan, biologists have even said coffee evolved In a cooler higher altitude than Yemen, but consensus on Wikipedia is maintained by blocking dissent, which creates a bottleneck for Wikipedia whenever a great number of incoming editors and sources diverge from the established Wikipedia viewpoint. 172.56.29.210 ( talk) 16:23, 14 May 2015
"Indefinitely blocked" is exactly what you will get if you as a mere peasant make too much unruly noise about all them there funny books saying coffee originated in Ethiopia, when Wikipedia authorities have already decided such a thing is clearly impossible. So actually Paul is confirming what I'm saying 100 percent. Indefinitely blocked is exactly what you will get. 172.56.29.210 ( talk) 11:37, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Per this [3] I propose that the infobox origin section to be changed to "Red Sea Region" Zekenyan ( talk) 19:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
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Every once in a while, we get someone here trying to push the mythological origin of Coffee (generally somewhere to Arab colonies in Ethiopia). This issue was settled after a very long and multi-editor debate on this discussion page (see here). At that time, the consensus for origin was: "Yemen (earliest credible evidence of coffee drinking), Ethiopia (possible consumption of dry beans)." Changing it now requires more than a few edits on the page. Please discuss here before going on an edit war. Cheers, Λuα ( Operibus anteire) 03:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
See previous discussion above about consensus to include both countries. Even the other user was upholding consensus [9] Changing consensus without my agreement just because I added information in the history section is not acceptable. All your doing is censoring reliably sourced material that points to Ethiopia. Dont falsely accuse me of OR and copy paste, I clearly sourced my addition. You are coming up with your own conclusions that the source did not explicitly say sort of like wp:snyth! heard of it? For example deleting testimonies by Ibn Hajar al-Haytami is another red flag. Yes you are pushing for Coffee being invented in Yemen under the pretexts of "earliest historical evidence". Adding "earliest credible source of coffee drinking" in the infobox is a serious violation. It only misleads the reader to think Coffee was invented in Yemen. There are countless testomonies of Arab historians mentioning the origin of Coffee to be in Ethiopia before it arrived in Yemen. Sources [10] [11] [12] Even the weinberg source admits that the kaldi story is embellishing the credible tradition that the sufi encounter with coffee had been in ethiopia. [13] Weinberg also mentions most reliable history of coffee connected to ethiopia which you deleted [14] Therefore the arab historians were not simply guessing that a beverage was used in Ethiopia. The earliest MENTION of Coffee in Yemen is by the Sufis" that is what it should say not imply that it originated in yemen because it was first seen drunk in Yemen. So can you please stop deleting my sourced content? Zekenyan ( talk) 20:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
A third opinion has been requested. Is the question limited to the infobox? If so, and reliable sources say Yemen, the infobox should say Yemen, and leave the details in the article body. But is that what reliable sources say? Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Coffee was first cultivated in Abyssinia. [1] [2] The earliest credible evidence of coffee-drinking appears in the middle of the 15th century in the Sufi shrines of Yemen.[4] In the Horn of Africa and Yemen, coffee was used in local religious ceremonies. Zekenyan ( talk) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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@ Aua I believe this was in the article but was removed for whatever reason so I am proposing that it be reintroduced. Zekenyan ( talk) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I am proposing to add this into the historical transmission section. I would like editors opinion on the matter.
Earliest mention of coffee in Yemen was by Ahmed al-Ghaffar in the 15th century. It was used by sufi circles to stay awake for their religious rituals. [30] Muhammad b. Said other wise known as Dhabhani is credited for bringing the beverage to Aden from the African coast. [31] Other early accounts ascribe Ali b. Omar of the Shadhili sufi order for the introduction of coffee to Arabia. [32] According to al Shardi, Ali b.Omar may have encountered coffee when he lived with the Adal Sultan Sadadin’s companions in 1401. Famous 16th century Islamic scholar Ibn Hajar al-Haytami notes in his writings of a beverage called qahwa developed from a tree in the Zeila region. [33] Zekenyan ( talk) 11:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 18:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Recently, changes were accepted to the Coffea page to reflect the fact that while Coffee is arguably an epigynous berry, the proper taxonomic classification is drupe. Please see pg. 466 of "An annotated taxonomic conspectus of the genus Coffea (Rubiaceae)" referring to coffee as a "indehiscent drupe." This page should reflect the same. While the current term "berries" does have a link to epigynous berries, neglecting to use the proper taxonomy only adds confusion to the already-muddled distinctions between botanical berries, epigynous berries, and drupes. Furthermore, coffee fruits are referred to as "cherries" in the industry, so even if the intention is common or colloquial usage, it should still be changed (see the Coffea page referring to coffee fruit as "cherries"). For maximum educational value, an editor should change all references to berries to drupes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.93.82.35 ( talk) 21:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that this page is a little bit long, so can we split this page up into separate pages, with the respective topic? Kai2004 ( talk) 17:50, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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In Saint-Domingue (now Haiti), saw coffee cultivated from 1734, and SHOULD BE REPLACED BY Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) saw coffee cultivated from 1734, and OR BETTER YET Coffee was cultivated in Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) from 1734, and
75.150.107.29 ( talk) 17:58, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Done Makes sense. Thanks. Grayfell ( talk) 19:59, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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Sorry but I can't edit this page. The following excerpt has a misplaced apostrophe:
"He was a trainer and supplier to the founders of Starbuck's.[175]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.127.232.115 ( talk) 01:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Is a "short black" the same as an "espresso"? Should we distinguish or explain? Whiteghost.ink ( talk) 03:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing I see in this entry about coffee's helping prevent liver cancer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:4D52:153E:73FD:E7D7 ( talk) 15:04, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi,
Should you mention the patented 1890 invention by David Strang in NZ, as cited in the main instant coffee article? Kind regards, John 49.224.199.211 ( talk) 21:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
On Abu rais's edits. Princeton university is not netural? After doing some research it looks disputed maybe we should add both countries. Zekenyan ( talk) 21:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Why not just put "Red Sea region" for the origin, thereby avoiding any dispute? It seems odd to connect a country which didn't exist for numerous centuries after the discovery of coffee as its place of origin, since sit implies a connection between drink and country that doesn't exist. The geographic descriptor seems better in every way. Rwenonah ( talk) 01:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Zekenyan, biologists have even said coffee evolved In a cooler higher altitude than Yemen, but consensus on Wikipedia is maintained by blocking dissent, which creates a bottleneck for Wikipedia whenever a great number of incoming editors and sources diverge from the established Wikipedia viewpoint. 172.56.29.210 ( talk) 16:23, 14 May 2015
"Indefinitely blocked" is exactly what you will get if you as a mere peasant make too much unruly noise about all them there funny books saying coffee originated in Ethiopia, when Wikipedia authorities have already decided such a thing is clearly impossible. So actually Paul is confirming what I'm saying 100 percent. Indefinitely blocked is exactly what you will get. 172.56.29.210 ( talk) 11:37, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Per this [3] I propose that the infobox origin section to be changed to "Red Sea Region" Zekenyan ( talk) 19:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 07:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Every once in a while, we get someone here trying to push the mythological origin of Coffee (generally somewhere to Arab colonies in Ethiopia). This issue was settled after a very long and multi-editor debate on this discussion page (see here). At that time, the consensus for origin was: "Yemen (earliest credible evidence of coffee drinking), Ethiopia (possible consumption of dry beans)." Changing it now requires more than a few edits on the page. Please discuss here before going on an edit war. Cheers, Λuα ( Operibus anteire) 03:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
See previous discussion above about consensus to include both countries. Even the other user was upholding consensus [9] Changing consensus without my agreement just because I added information in the history section is not acceptable. All your doing is censoring reliably sourced material that points to Ethiopia. Dont falsely accuse me of OR and copy paste, I clearly sourced my addition. You are coming up with your own conclusions that the source did not explicitly say sort of like wp:snyth! heard of it? For example deleting testimonies by Ibn Hajar al-Haytami is another red flag. Yes you are pushing for Coffee being invented in Yemen under the pretexts of "earliest historical evidence". Adding "earliest credible source of coffee drinking" in the infobox is a serious violation. It only misleads the reader to think Coffee was invented in Yemen. There are countless testomonies of Arab historians mentioning the origin of Coffee to be in Ethiopia before it arrived in Yemen. Sources [10] [11] [12] Even the weinberg source admits that the kaldi story is embellishing the credible tradition that the sufi encounter with coffee had been in ethiopia. [13] Weinberg also mentions most reliable history of coffee connected to ethiopia which you deleted [14] Therefore the arab historians were not simply guessing that a beverage was used in Ethiopia. The earliest MENTION of Coffee in Yemen is by the Sufis" that is what it should say not imply that it originated in yemen because it was first seen drunk in Yemen. So can you please stop deleting my sourced content? Zekenyan ( talk) 20:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
A third opinion has been requested. Is the question limited to the infobox? If so, and reliable sources say Yemen, the infobox should say Yemen, and leave the details in the article body. But is that what reliable sources say? Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Coffee was first cultivated in Abyssinia. [1] [2] The earliest credible evidence of coffee-drinking appears in the middle of the 15th century in the Sufi shrines of Yemen.[4] In the Horn of Africa and Yemen, coffee was used in local religious ceremonies. Zekenyan ( talk) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
References
@ Aua I believe this was in the article but was removed for whatever reason so I am proposing that it be reintroduced. Zekenyan ( talk) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I am proposing to add this into the historical transmission section. I would like editors opinion on the matter.
Earliest mention of coffee in Yemen was by Ahmed al-Ghaffar in the 15th century. It was used by sufi circles to stay awake for their religious rituals. [30] Muhammad b. Said other wise known as Dhabhani is credited for bringing the beverage to Aden from the African coast. [31] Other early accounts ascribe Ali b. Omar of the Shadhili sufi order for the introduction of coffee to Arabia. [32] According to al Shardi, Ali b.Omar may have encountered coffee when he lived with the Adal Sultan Sadadin’s companions in 1401. Famous 16th century Islamic scholar Ibn Hajar al-Haytami notes in his writings of a beverage called qahwa developed from a tree in the Zeila region. [33] Zekenyan ( talk) 11:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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Recently, changes were accepted to the Coffea page to reflect the fact that while Coffee is arguably an epigynous berry, the proper taxonomic classification is drupe. Please see pg. 466 of "An annotated taxonomic conspectus of the genus Coffea (Rubiaceae)" referring to coffee as a "indehiscent drupe." This page should reflect the same. While the current term "berries" does have a link to epigynous berries, neglecting to use the proper taxonomy only adds confusion to the already-muddled distinctions between botanical berries, epigynous berries, and drupes. Furthermore, coffee fruits are referred to as "cherries" in the industry, so even if the intention is common or colloquial usage, it should still be changed (see the Coffea page referring to coffee fruit as "cherries"). For maximum educational value, an editor should change all references to berries to drupes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.93.82.35 ( talk) 21:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that this page is a little bit long, so can we split this page up into separate pages, with the respective topic? Kai2004 ( talk) 17:50, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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In Saint-Domingue (now Haiti), saw coffee cultivated from 1734, and SHOULD BE REPLACED BY Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) saw coffee cultivated from 1734, and OR BETTER YET Coffee was cultivated in Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) from 1734, and
75.150.107.29 ( talk) 17:58, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Done Makes sense. Thanks. Grayfell ( talk) 19:59, 7 April 2016 (UTC)