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This article does not state where the tablet is located today. Surely it is in some museum. I cannot seem to find anything on the web, only references to Wikipedia ... which is somewhat backwards, of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.49.28 ( talk) 22:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I originally copied the following 'example' of the code directlyh from the German wikipedia article, but I admit I found it dubious all along, since I could not find it corroborated in any other source; so I am removing it to here. (Kudos again to "dab", for expertly spotting 'the weakest link' here!)
tukum bi lú ba-úš dumu nita nu-un-tuku dumu mí dam nu-un-tuku-A ibila A ni ḫé A [citation needed]
I have no idea where the German wikipedia had got this one from; my hunch is that it is actually from Lipit-Ishtar, or some other early code... Til Eulenspiegel 13:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
4. If a slave marries a slave, and that slave is set free, he does not leave the household.
It seems unclear who is not being set free. Is it saying that in this case the freed slave does not leave the household, or that the spouse of the freed slave does not leave the household? Does anyone know this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RLent ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
VeritasVox ( talk) 02:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/673292 - this suggests that certainly in the Old Babylonian texts, subordinates in the household (children, slaves) had the same linguistic grouping of 'dependents' (mār) (page 269-270) and that maybe wouldn't be an unreasonable extrapolation into the anterior sumerian culture as there's significant continuity of religion, custom etc.
I think this is it - http://www.jstor.org/stable/528363 pg 65/66
nig-sal-ge5 nam-dam-Si ba-ab- ag-a (If) a slave-girl (?) unto wife- hood he shall take,
u'-ba-Mit ~i1 ba-ab-da with her husband to sleep she shall come.
ie. the slave-woman was legally taken into the household, same as a bride who was a free woman. There's also talk in there of her dowry and proceedings in the event of a divorce, so she has the formal legal status of a wife.
VeritasVox ( talk) 02:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Silver probably was far less abundant those days than it is today. I estimated by the silver price given here that a shekel is approx 2,50 eur. That would mean that, for example, ripping off a foot: 25 euro. Kidnapping: 40 euro + imprisonment.
What might have been that day's standard income for a peasant or a merchant? It'd be interesting to compare the fines.
-- Sigmundur ( talk) 18:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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Unless it is a law against not owning any slaves, then too much detail has been omitted. 58.8.121.66 ( talk) 09:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have the best reference. I found a placeholder from a quick search, I have not had time to read it carefully yet. Please replace with the better reference if known. Thanks! Wiki-proofer-and-tagger ( talk) 07:29, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Is it worth explaining that shekels/mina were units of value but not actual currency, like the saxon geld system or egyptian deben? Or is this too much explanation/spoon-feeding? VeritasVox ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
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This article does not state where the tablet is located today. Surely it is in some museum. I cannot seem to find anything on the web, only references to Wikipedia ... which is somewhat backwards, of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.49.28 ( talk) 22:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I originally copied the following 'example' of the code directlyh from the German wikipedia article, but I admit I found it dubious all along, since I could not find it corroborated in any other source; so I am removing it to here. (Kudos again to "dab", for expertly spotting 'the weakest link' here!)
tukum bi lú ba-úš dumu nita nu-un-tuku dumu mí dam nu-un-tuku-A ibila A ni ḫé A [citation needed]
I have no idea where the German wikipedia had got this one from; my hunch is that it is actually from Lipit-Ishtar, or some other early code... Til Eulenspiegel 13:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
4. If a slave marries a slave, and that slave is set free, he does not leave the household.
It seems unclear who is not being set free. Is it saying that in this case the freed slave does not leave the household, or that the spouse of the freed slave does not leave the household? Does anyone know this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RLent ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
VeritasVox ( talk) 02:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/673292 - this suggests that certainly in the Old Babylonian texts, subordinates in the household (children, slaves) had the same linguistic grouping of 'dependents' (mār) (page 269-270) and that maybe wouldn't be an unreasonable extrapolation into the anterior sumerian culture as there's significant continuity of religion, custom etc.
I think this is it - http://www.jstor.org/stable/528363 pg 65/66
nig-sal-ge5 nam-dam-Si ba-ab- ag-a (If) a slave-girl (?) unto wife- hood he shall take,
u'-ba-Mit ~i1 ba-ab-da with her husband to sleep she shall come.
ie. the slave-woman was legally taken into the household, same as a bride who was a free woman. There's also talk in there of her dowry and proceedings in the event of a divorce, so she has the formal legal status of a wife.
VeritasVox ( talk) 02:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Silver probably was far less abundant those days than it is today. I estimated by the silver price given here that a shekel is approx 2,50 eur. That would mean that, for example, ripping off a foot: 25 euro. Kidnapping: 40 euro + imprisonment.
What might have been that day's standard income for a peasant or a merchant? It'd be interesting to compare the fines.
-- Sigmundur ( talk) 18:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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Unless it is a law against not owning any slaves, then too much detail has been omitted. 58.8.121.66 ( talk) 09:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have the best reference. I found a placeholder from a quick search, I have not had time to read it carefully yet. Please replace with the better reference if known. Thanks! Wiki-proofer-and-tagger ( talk) 07:29, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Is it worth explaining that shekels/mina were units of value but not actual currency, like the saxon geld system or egyptian deben? Or is this too much explanation/spoon-feeding? VeritasVox ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)