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I'm pretty sure
current Wikipedia policy dictates you need an actual, reliable source that gives context for why something should be in an "In popular culture" section. Policy aside, "Fictional character Saul Goodman likes having a cocobolo desk" does not constitute a meaningful addition to an article about cocobolo -- you really want these things to go a step or two above that kind of thing. How does Saul's preference for a cocobolo desk thematically relate to the rest of the narrative? That's what I'd like to see in an independent, reliable source. --
Ae Daily (
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20:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)reply
The source in your latest attempt still does nothing more than say that the show references it. It's just wood. It's just a desk. It's just a show. You're not adding an equivalent section to [[nail salon]], either, even though he worked out of one in the first season. Please engage in a discussion before you do this again. --
Ae Daily (
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01:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)reply
Like, if the information "Jimmy McGill expresses a preference for cocobolo desks" has any place in an encyclopedia, it's on the page about Saul Goodman, because it's relevant only to him, a fictional character from a TV show. "Jimmy McGill expresses a preference for cocobolo desks" isn't really that relevant to the type of wood called cocobolo, or to desks, or to wood in general. To give another, similar example, there's a fictional **
Doctor Who** comic book where, at the end of the story, a fictional version of the
International Space Station and every fictional astronaut on it are blown up. This might be relevant to the pages about the lead characters, because it's relevant to their ongoing storyline, but it's not relevant to the article about the
International Space Station, which hasn't actually been blown up. Does this help at all? --
Ae Daily (
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02:01, 13 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I agree that it doesn't belong here and have removed it again. We had a similar discussion several years ago about
Valdez, Alaska. People kept adding that
Commander Riker's backstory was that he grew up in Valdez. While it is mentioned on the show, it isn't part of the real story of Valdez in the way, say, the
Exxon Valdez oil spill was. It doesn't add to the reader's understanding of the subject, which is the purpose of an article. A link in the article on the relvant episode is a better way to help people find the information they are looking for.
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02:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Heartwood/sapwood
"Only the heartwood is used;...The sapwood (not often used)..."
I know nothing about cocobolo wood or sapwood vs. heartwood or wood in general. It seems from comments on sites that probably don't meet sourcing standards that cocobolo sapwood is used in some guitars. So my guess would be that the first part, rather than the second part, of this quote is wrong. But "only" doesn't jibe with "not often."
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12:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)reply
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I'm pretty sure
current Wikipedia policy dictates you need an actual, reliable source that gives context for why something should be in an "In popular culture" section. Policy aside, "Fictional character Saul Goodman likes having a cocobolo desk" does not constitute a meaningful addition to an article about cocobolo -- you really want these things to go a step or two above that kind of thing. How does Saul's preference for a cocobolo desk thematically relate to the rest of the narrative? That's what I'd like to see in an independent, reliable source. --
Ae Daily (
talk)
20:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)reply
The source in your latest attempt still does nothing more than say that the show references it. It's just wood. It's just a desk. It's just a show. You're not adding an equivalent section to [[nail salon]], either, even though he worked out of one in the first season. Please engage in a discussion before you do this again. --
Ae Daily (
talk)
01:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)reply
Like, if the information "Jimmy McGill expresses a preference for cocobolo desks" has any place in an encyclopedia, it's on the page about Saul Goodman, because it's relevant only to him, a fictional character from a TV show. "Jimmy McGill expresses a preference for cocobolo desks" isn't really that relevant to the type of wood called cocobolo, or to desks, or to wood in general. To give another, similar example, there's a fictional **
Doctor Who** comic book where, at the end of the story, a fictional version of the
International Space Station and every fictional astronaut on it are blown up. This might be relevant to the pages about the lead characters, because it's relevant to their ongoing storyline, but it's not relevant to the article about the
International Space Station, which hasn't actually been blown up. Does this help at all? --
Ae Daily (
talk)
02:01, 13 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I agree that it doesn't belong here and have removed it again. We had a similar discussion several years ago about
Valdez, Alaska. People kept adding that
Commander Riker's backstory was that he grew up in Valdez. While it is mentioned on the show, it isn't part of the real story of Valdez in the way, say, the
Exxon Valdez oil spill was. It doesn't add to the reader's understanding of the subject, which is the purpose of an article. A link in the article on the relvant episode is a better way to help people find the information they are looking for.
Beeblebrox (
talk)
02:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Heartwood/sapwood
"Only the heartwood is used;...The sapwood (not often used)..."
I know nothing about cocobolo wood or sapwood vs. heartwood or wood in general. It seems from comments on sites that probably don't meet sourcing standards that cocobolo sapwood is used in some guitars. So my guess would be that the first part, rather than the second part, of this quote is wrong. But "only" doesn't jibe with "not often."
121.163.188.1 (
talk)
12:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)reply