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Please note that all of the "red links" on this page linked from other pages too (ex. Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and Breastfeeding link to American Academy of Pediatrics). -- Hcheney 22:58, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know if expanded mission statements fall under fair use? The "Mission" section of the article is copied darn near word-for-word from the CSGV website. Arthurrh 22:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It would work better if major changes were discussed here, before removing cited content. Also, this is not supposed to look like CSGV's own website; it is supposed to be an encyclopedia article. Cites from other than CSGV's website should be used, too. Yaf ( talk) 19:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Please stop deleting cited content, and copying the CSGV's website verbatim and pasting here. There are copyright problems in doing that. Have reverted to the cited version, with cites and references. Yaf ( talk) 19:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
As you probably have by now realized, I have protected this page for two days from all non-admin editing because of the recent heated edit warring. Please use this time to discuss the changes here - especially the anon IP, who apparently hasn't tried this talk page idea out yet. As far as I'm concerned, there will be no reason to unprotect the page in the meantime, so try to use the time to come to a compromise or consensus. Thanks! Tan | 39 20:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
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This page has been overrun by individuals from the Wiki Firearms Project that vehemently oppose the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence's mission (and gun control in general). I currently serve as the Director of Communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and there are no "copyright issues" with correctly stating our mission and the purpose and scope of our current projects. I will continue to challenge the neutrality of this page until our mission is stated correctly and opponents of our organization stop using this space to expound on their views on issues like concealed handguns in National Park that are tiny part of our overall work as an organization. And I want to see citations for ridiculous and broad statements such as "CSGV opposes all private firearms ownership." That is nothing but gun lobby propaganda with the purpose of discrediting our organization. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
"The position of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns is very clear... [We support] ban[ning] the manufacture, sale and possession of all handguns, except for police, military, licensed security guards and pistol clubs. " Michael K. Beard, testimony on behalf of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns in support of 8-132 Before the Committee of the Judiciary 3 (Mar. 22, 1989) (transcript on file with the Tennessee Law Review;...
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Your citation for the claim that "CSGV opposes all private handgun ownership" is not even technically correct for the date of the citation you provide: 1989. CSGV supported exceptions even during that period for licensed security guards and individuals in pistol clubs, as your own quotation proves. Furthermore, the organization stopped advocating for a national ban on handguns in 1991, when the name was changed to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. That was 17 years ago. You, like other members of the Wiki Firearms Project are clearly trying to discredit groups on Wikipedia that aim to strengthen gun control laws, as your bald-faced lie that "CSGV opposes all private firearms ownership" conclusively demonstrates. You essentially are circulating "Confiscation Myth" propaganda on this public domain website that right-wing gun groups like the NRA use for fundraising and membership recruitment purposes. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
As for the claim that I should review the Conflict of Interest guidelines, I find that suggestion absolutely laughable coming from a member of the Wiki Firearms Project. Even a cursory look at the activity of your members on Wikipedia will reveal that you have consistently used these pages to discredit groups that wish to strengthen gun control laws and used their individual pages to disseminate your own heavily-biased and one-sided views on gun control policies and issues that, in many cases, have their own individual pages at Wikipedia.
What is perhaps most striking is that, despite the overwhelming body of contemporary public statements and testimony available from CSGV leaders, you have instead chosen to use this page to circulate outright lies about the organization ("CSGV opposes all private firearms ownership"), cite 20 year-old statements from CSGV leaders that have no relevance to the work the group is engaged in today, and to editorialize on a series of issues that have no direct relevance to the subject at hand, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. This has included expanded commentary on gun shows and concealed handguns in national parks, which Wiki Firearms Project suddenly decided was no longer "relevant" on this page when a federal court issued an injunction against a Bush Administration rule that allowed concealed handguns in America's National Parks. CSGV's involvement in the issue changed in absolutely way, shape or form with that ruling. We were never involved in that litigation and have consistently opposed legislation to allow concealed handguns in National Parks and continue to do so. You simply decided the issue no longer played well for your side on Wikipedia and made yet another subjective and biased decision as to how to edit this page.
I have no interest whatsoever in using this page to "promote" CSGV, but I will continue to act to ensure that the information on this page is both accurate and non-biased. We will no longer sit still and watch members of the Wiki Firearms Project, again and again, try to dominate the content on this page and use it as a sounding board to disseminate clearly biased and one-sided views that are obviously hostile to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and its mission to reduce gun death and injury in America.
Wikipedia strives for its articles to have a "Neutral Point of View," stating, "The ideal Wikipedia article is well-written, balanced, neutral, and encyclopedic, containing comprehensive, notable, verifiable knowledge." We will seek to ensure that standard is enforced on the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Wikipage and look forward to working directly with the moderators on this page to do so. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I will not cease making edits, and any neutral and unbiased observer will see in a matter of seconds that Wiki Firearms Projects members have used this page repeatedly to slander the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and offer heavily biased and one-sided views on issues that we advocate on (in many cases which are outright lies that are totally unsupportable). That is in clear violation of Wikipedia policy which strives for neutrality in its public editing process. We already have a call into the Wikimedia's San Francisco's offices and will pursue this situation doggedly until it is resolved and this page has ceased to be a platform for attacks against this organization by those who clearly oppose the regulation of firearms. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
We very much look forward to taking the matter up with Wikimedia staff, and to offering primary source evidence--including public statements, testimony, and documents--for every revision we have made to this page in order to ensure its accuracy. We also greatly look forward to reviewing the activity of Wiki Firearms Project members on this page and on the pages of other organizations that advocate for strengthening gun laws to prevent gun violence in order to see if their activity has reflected a "conflict of interest" or not. And since you have been involved in defending content on this page (and others relating to gun issues) that is clearly biased, it would be an appropriate point to review your activity as well. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I certainly never made any "threats," but I think what has gone on on this page will be of great interest to Wikimedia staff, particularly some of the outright lies that have not only been published, but defended here. I greatly look forward to a thorough review of the history of this page and how it stands up to the Wikipedia regulations concerning Neutrality. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
now that the following material has been corrected to match what the cite says, it seems that it is irrelevant to this article:
On March 19, 2001, a federal judge repealed the new rule allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry firearms concealed within National Park Service lands within states where their permits are valid, based upon environmental concerns, in response to concerns by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association, and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.[15]
it appears that csgv was not involved in this matter, so i don't see a need for it...? Anastrophe ( talk) 05:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it possible to transform that odd-shaped box into a proper nav-box, so it go at the bottom of articles rather than be randomly placed inside of them? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 17:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice in the lede sentence this organization is described as "anti-gun", yet I don't see that mentioned in the www.constitution.org webblog pdf file. This, among other problems, seems to be unsourced and may be viewed as a pejorative. Comments? SaltyBoatr ( talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems odd that such a high emphasis is given to the 35 year old history of this organization in the lead section, and the current status of the organization is treated as an afterthought. This, maybe coincidentally, seems to match a gun-rights advocacy point of view and could be viewed as a WP:NPOV violation. Isn't there a better way to write the lead? SaltyBoatr ( talk) 20:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Under the "History" section, the editor claims that CSGV was formed with the goal of "getting handguns banned" and then that this goal was later "refined" to include certain exceptions for private citizens. But the source provided for the earlier assertion actually lists those exact exceptions as being included in the original Methodist Church resolution on the topic (the cited source is "Book of Resolutions," 1976, pp. 63-64). This section should be clarified to indicate that the Methodist Church and NCBH included these exceptions from the very first time they issued a public document on the topic. Forward Thinkers ( talk) 20:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem was still there, yes. How did the coalition "refine" its position? The exceptions for private handgun ownership described in the earliest Methodist resolution on the topic are the same exact ones described in 1989 in testimony by Mike Beard (the two sources you cite). The organization's position actually remained entirely consistent over this period. I have edited these two lines and simply reduced it to one, but maintained both citations. Forward Thinkers ( talk) 00:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I have one other question. Someone provided a quote here from Kristen Goss' book "Disarmed" that reads as follows: "In 1989, the National Coalition to Ban Handguns changed its name to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, in part because the group felt that 'assault rifles' as well as handguns, should be banned." Ms. Goss has a citation for that claim, citation no. 26 in Chapter Four of her book. Mysteriously, when I went to page down to check that citation on the GoogleBooks link you provided, that page is missing (without any explanation as to why, all the other reference pages appear to be there). What is the citation for this claim and did you verify it before posting this quote to this page? Forward Thinkers ( talk) 01:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks much. That primary source, which Ms. Goss cites in her book as validation in that quote, was exactly what I was looking for. Forward Thinkers ( talk) 20:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Is that COI tag really necessary? It appears that all the COI offending text has already been deleted out. Which COI offending text remains? Be specific please, thanks. SaltyBoatr ( talk) 21:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The #Neutrality Dispute section above specifies a few points of contention:
I've addressed point #1 here. Point #2 isn't going to happen. And point #3 has been addressed with cites in the History section and throughout the article.
As these points have been addressed, I have removed the POV tag from the article. -- Hamitr ( talk) 14:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that citation 15 went to a bad link. I tried to find the statement on the organization's website to add the correct link. Turns out the information is incorrect, based on the organization's website. I'm going to delete the incorrect statement. -- PFS ( talk) 20:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC) Me again - in adding the citation, I noticed that a plank was missing on concerns about carrying concealed weapons. I added that. -- PFS ( talk) 20:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
This section criticizes CSGV for an incident that allegedly occurred on Twitter in May 2011. However, the only evidence provided for it are links to pages on two blogs. Given WP:BLOGS, this doesn't seem to be very appropriate. As a rule, we require significantly higher quality sources than that, especially when the content is potentially damaging to the reputation of a person or organization. Without more reliable sources, that entire section should be removed, shouldn't it? -- Hux ( talk) 18:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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Please note that all of the "red links" on this page linked from other pages too (ex. Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and Breastfeeding link to American Academy of Pediatrics). -- Hcheney 22:58, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know if expanded mission statements fall under fair use? The "Mission" section of the article is copied darn near word-for-word from the CSGV website. Arthurrh 22:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It would work better if major changes were discussed here, before removing cited content. Also, this is not supposed to look like CSGV's own website; it is supposed to be an encyclopedia article. Cites from other than CSGV's website should be used, too. Yaf ( talk) 19:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Please stop deleting cited content, and copying the CSGV's website verbatim and pasting here. There are copyright problems in doing that. Have reverted to the cited version, with cites and references. Yaf ( talk) 19:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
As you probably have by now realized, I have protected this page for two days from all non-admin editing because of the recent heated edit warring. Please use this time to discuss the changes here - especially the anon IP, who apparently hasn't tried this talk page idea out yet. As far as I'm concerned, there will be no reason to unprotect the page in the meantime, so try to use the time to come to a compromise or consensus. Thanks! Tan | 39 20:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
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This page has been overrun by individuals from the Wiki Firearms Project that vehemently oppose the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence's mission (and gun control in general). I currently serve as the Director of Communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and there are no "copyright issues" with correctly stating our mission and the purpose and scope of our current projects. I will continue to challenge the neutrality of this page until our mission is stated correctly and opponents of our organization stop using this space to expound on their views on issues like concealed handguns in National Park that are tiny part of our overall work as an organization. And I want to see citations for ridiculous and broad statements such as "CSGV opposes all private firearms ownership." That is nothing but gun lobby propaganda with the purpose of discrediting our organization. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
"The position of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns is very clear... [We support] ban[ning] the manufacture, sale and possession of all handguns, except for police, military, licensed security guards and pistol clubs. " Michael K. Beard, testimony on behalf of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns in support of 8-132 Before the Committee of the Judiciary 3 (Mar. 22, 1989) (transcript on file with the Tennessee Law Review;...
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Your citation for the claim that "CSGV opposes all private handgun ownership" is not even technically correct for the date of the citation you provide: 1989. CSGV supported exceptions even during that period for licensed security guards and individuals in pistol clubs, as your own quotation proves. Furthermore, the organization stopped advocating for a national ban on handguns in 1991, when the name was changed to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. That was 17 years ago. You, like other members of the Wiki Firearms Project are clearly trying to discredit groups on Wikipedia that aim to strengthen gun control laws, as your bald-faced lie that "CSGV opposes all private firearms ownership" conclusively demonstrates. You essentially are circulating "Confiscation Myth" propaganda on this public domain website that right-wing gun groups like the NRA use for fundraising and membership recruitment purposes. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
As for the claim that I should review the Conflict of Interest guidelines, I find that suggestion absolutely laughable coming from a member of the Wiki Firearms Project. Even a cursory look at the activity of your members on Wikipedia will reveal that you have consistently used these pages to discredit groups that wish to strengthen gun control laws and used their individual pages to disseminate your own heavily-biased and one-sided views on gun control policies and issues that, in many cases, have their own individual pages at Wikipedia.
What is perhaps most striking is that, despite the overwhelming body of contemporary public statements and testimony available from CSGV leaders, you have instead chosen to use this page to circulate outright lies about the organization ("CSGV opposes all private firearms ownership"), cite 20 year-old statements from CSGV leaders that have no relevance to the work the group is engaged in today, and to editorialize on a series of issues that have no direct relevance to the subject at hand, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. This has included expanded commentary on gun shows and concealed handguns in national parks, which Wiki Firearms Project suddenly decided was no longer "relevant" on this page when a federal court issued an injunction against a Bush Administration rule that allowed concealed handguns in America's National Parks. CSGV's involvement in the issue changed in absolutely way, shape or form with that ruling. We were never involved in that litigation and have consistently opposed legislation to allow concealed handguns in National Parks and continue to do so. You simply decided the issue no longer played well for your side on Wikipedia and made yet another subjective and biased decision as to how to edit this page.
I have no interest whatsoever in using this page to "promote" CSGV, but I will continue to act to ensure that the information on this page is both accurate and non-biased. We will no longer sit still and watch members of the Wiki Firearms Project, again and again, try to dominate the content on this page and use it as a sounding board to disseminate clearly biased and one-sided views that are obviously hostile to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and its mission to reduce gun death and injury in America.
Wikipedia strives for its articles to have a "Neutral Point of View," stating, "The ideal Wikipedia article is well-written, balanced, neutral, and encyclopedic, containing comprehensive, notable, verifiable knowledge." We will seek to ensure that standard is enforced on the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Wikipage and look forward to working directly with the moderators on this page to do so. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I will not cease making edits, and any neutral and unbiased observer will see in a matter of seconds that Wiki Firearms Projects members have used this page repeatedly to slander the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and offer heavily biased and one-sided views on issues that we advocate on (in many cases which are outright lies that are totally unsupportable). That is in clear violation of Wikipedia policy which strives for neutrality in its public editing process. We already have a call into the Wikimedia's San Francisco's offices and will pursue this situation doggedly until it is resolved and this page has ceased to be a platform for attacks against this organization by those who clearly oppose the regulation of firearms. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
We very much look forward to taking the matter up with Wikimedia staff, and to offering primary source evidence--including public statements, testimony, and documents--for every revision we have made to this page in order to ensure its accuracy. We also greatly look forward to reviewing the activity of Wiki Firearms Project members on this page and on the pages of other organizations that advocate for strengthening gun laws to prevent gun violence in order to see if their activity has reflected a "conflict of interest" or not. And since you have been involved in defending content on this page (and others relating to gun issues) that is clearly biased, it would be an appropriate point to review your activity as well. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I certainly never made any "threats," but I think what has gone on on this page will be of great interest to Wikimedia staff, particularly some of the outright lies that have not only been published, but defended here. I greatly look forward to a thorough review of the history of this page and how it stands up to the Wikipedia regulations concerning Neutrality. CSGV ( talk) 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
now that the following material has been corrected to match what the cite says, it seems that it is irrelevant to this article:
On March 19, 2001, a federal judge repealed the new rule allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry firearms concealed within National Park Service lands within states where their permits are valid, based upon environmental concerns, in response to concerns by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association, and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.[15]
it appears that csgv was not involved in this matter, so i don't see a need for it...? Anastrophe ( talk) 05:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it possible to transform that odd-shaped box into a proper nav-box, so it go at the bottom of articles rather than be randomly placed inside of them? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 17:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice in the lede sentence this organization is described as "anti-gun", yet I don't see that mentioned in the www.constitution.org webblog pdf file. This, among other problems, seems to be unsourced and may be viewed as a pejorative. Comments? SaltyBoatr ( talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems odd that such a high emphasis is given to the 35 year old history of this organization in the lead section, and the current status of the organization is treated as an afterthought. This, maybe coincidentally, seems to match a gun-rights advocacy point of view and could be viewed as a WP:NPOV violation. Isn't there a better way to write the lead? SaltyBoatr ( talk) 20:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Under the "History" section, the editor claims that CSGV was formed with the goal of "getting handguns banned" and then that this goal was later "refined" to include certain exceptions for private citizens. But the source provided for the earlier assertion actually lists those exact exceptions as being included in the original Methodist Church resolution on the topic (the cited source is "Book of Resolutions," 1976, pp. 63-64). This section should be clarified to indicate that the Methodist Church and NCBH included these exceptions from the very first time they issued a public document on the topic. Forward Thinkers ( talk) 20:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem was still there, yes. How did the coalition "refine" its position? The exceptions for private handgun ownership described in the earliest Methodist resolution on the topic are the same exact ones described in 1989 in testimony by Mike Beard (the two sources you cite). The organization's position actually remained entirely consistent over this period. I have edited these two lines and simply reduced it to one, but maintained both citations. Forward Thinkers ( talk) 00:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I have one other question. Someone provided a quote here from Kristen Goss' book "Disarmed" that reads as follows: "In 1989, the National Coalition to Ban Handguns changed its name to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, in part because the group felt that 'assault rifles' as well as handguns, should be banned." Ms. Goss has a citation for that claim, citation no. 26 in Chapter Four of her book. Mysteriously, when I went to page down to check that citation on the GoogleBooks link you provided, that page is missing (without any explanation as to why, all the other reference pages appear to be there). What is the citation for this claim and did you verify it before posting this quote to this page? Forward Thinkers ( talk) 01:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks much. That primary source, which Ms. Goss cites in her book as validation in that quote, was exactly what I was looking for. Forward Thinkers ( talk) 20:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Is that COI tag really necessary? It appears that all the COI offending text has already been deleted out. Which COI offending text remains? Be specific please, thanks. SaltyBoatr ( talk) 21:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The #Neutrality Dispute section above specifies a few points of contention:
I've addressed point #1 here. Point #2 isn't going to happen. And point #3 has been addressed with cites in the History section and throughout the article.
As these points have been addressed, I have removed the POV tag from the article. -- Hamitr ( talk) 14:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that citation 15 went to a bad link. I tried to find the statement on the organization's website to add the correct link. Turns out the information is incorrect, based on the organization's website. I'm going to delete the incorrect statement. -- PFS ( talk) 20:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC) Me again - in adding the citation, I noticed that a plank was missing on concerns about carrying concealed weapons. I added that. -- PFS ( talk) 20:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
This section criticizes CSGV for an incident that allegedly occurred on Twitter in May 2011. However, the only evidence provided for it are links to pages on two blogs. Given WP:BLOGS, this doesn't seem to be very appropriate. As a rule, we require significantly higher quality sources than that, especially when the content is potentially damaging to the reputation of a person or organization. Without more reliable sources, that entire section should be removed, shouldn't it? -- Hux ( talk) 18:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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