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Added to page so it isn't just about the specific example of 20th century client states. -- Masamax 22:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And there's much more where those came from. It accounted for almost two-thirds of the total size of the article at one point.
This is complete nonsense, hugely misinforming readers, and crass and thought-free writing based upon conflation, phrase matching instead of reading, opinion as fact, twisting of sources, and outright bad sources. You want people with good reputations doing proper expert analysis, not people calling names to get attention to their political parties, sons, and book sales. And stop hiding behind the passive voice with "has been described as".
Uncle G ( talk) 03:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
This article has a lot of problems, so I'll just list them.
There quite many of these so I won't go on any further, but this whole section needs to be rewritten Rousillon ( talk) 17:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I was shocked to read this topic as it contains no evidence for many of the cases being listed, the current version seems more similar to an opinion forum rather than a serious information platform, and the definition of a “client state” which shown in this page is flawed and equivocal. I expect more action to be done with the development of page, or I will just propose a deletion of the topic if no one is going to make any improvement over the impartiality or verification of the referring sources before this month. LVTW2 ( talk) 05:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Communist parties worldwide, including in the U.S. and Israel, took their orders from Moscow. Israel's larget political parties from 1947-1977 were socialist/communist. 1st Prime Minister Ben Gurion Famously declared that he is a Bolshevik.
David Ben-Gurion declared: "I am a Bolshevik." https://www.haaretz.com/2013-03-08/ty-article/.premium/nostalgic-for-the-ussr-on-the-kibbutzim/0000017f-e3f9-d7b2-a77f-e3ff98bb0000
Stalin's portraits and flags were everywhere in Israel during the 1940s and 1950s, including government offices. https://www.palestineposterproject.org/publisher/israeli-communist-party-maki
Walapo ( talk) 17:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
"Agreed"? You posted this comment as a response, but nobody said anything on this talk page about the USSR until you brought it up. Who are you agreeing with? What are you talking about with "multiple agreement from editors"? You agreeing with yourself is not how consensus works.
As for the sources, what you are posting here would be
original research, except I don't think you actually read your own sources. Per the International Socialist Review article: Nevertheless, Zionist leaders like Ben-Gurion knew that the USSR could not provide the kind of financial and military aid to Israel that the U.S. and American Zionist organizations could. They continued to woo the U.S. to become Israel's chief patron.
[1] Per your source, Ben-Gurion described himself as a bolshevik in 1923, decades before the modern state of Israel even existed. It is not enough to dance around decades worth of sources to find those which mention Stalin or communism. Your own sources undermine your point. You need reliable, independent sources which directly describe Israel as a "client state" of the USSR. Do not ignore context. Without good sources, this is a non-starter.
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Added to page so it isn't just about the specific example of 20th century client states. -- Masamax 22:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And there's much more where those came from. It accounted for almost two-thirds of the total size of the article at one point.
This is complete nonsense, hugely misinforming readers, and crass and thought-free writing based upon conflation, phrase matching instead of reading, opinion as fact, twisting of sources, and outright bad sources. You want people with good reputations doing proper expert analysis, not people calling names to get attention to their political parties, sons, and book sales. And stop hiding behind the passive voice with "has been described as".
Uncle G ( talk) 03:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
This article has a lot of problems, so I'll just list them.
There quite many of these so I won't go on any further, but this whole section needs to be rewritten Rousillon ( talk) 17:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I was shocked to read this topic as it contains no evidence for many of the cases being listed, the current version seems more similar to an opinion forum rather than a serious information platform, and the definition of a “client state” which shown in this page is flawed and equivocal. I expect more action to be done with the development of page, or I will just propose a deletion of the topic if no one is going to make any improvement over the impartiality or verification of the referring sources before this month. LVTW2 ( talk) 05:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Communist parties worldwide, including in the U.S. and Israel, took their orders from Moscow. Israel's larget political parties from 1947-1977 were socialist/communist. 1st Prime Minister Ben Gurion Famously declared that he is a Bolshevik.
David Ben-Gurion declared: "I am a Bolshevik." https://www.haaretz.com/2013-03-08/ty-article/.premium/nostalgic-for-the-ussr-on-the-kibbutzim/0000017f-e3f9-d7b2-a77f-e3ff98bb0000
Stalin's portraits and flags were everywhere in Israel during the 1940s and 1950s, including government offices. https://www.palestineposterproject.org/publisher/israeli-communist-party-maki
Walapo ( talk) 17:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
"Agreed"? You posted this comment as a response, but nobody said anything on this talk page about the USSR until you brought it up. Who are you agreeing with? What are you talking about with "multiple agreement from editors"? You agreeing with yourself is not how consensus works.
As for the sources, what you are posting here would be
original research, except I don't think you actually read your own sources. Per the International Socialist Review article: Nevertheless, Zionist leaders like Ben-Gurion knew that the USSR could not provide the kind of financial and military aid to Israel that the U.S. and American Zionist organizations could. They continued to woo the U.S. to become Israel's chief patron.
[1] Per your source, Ben-Gurion described himself as a bolshevik in 1923, decades before the modern state of Israel even existed. It is not enough to dance around decades worth of sources to find those which mention Stalin or communism. Your own sources undermine your point. You need reliable, independent sources which directly describe Israel as a "client state" of the USSR. Do not ignore context. Without good sources, this is a non-starter.
Grayfell (
talk)
20:19, 28 August 2022 (UTC)