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Why are there no examples of other religions. Of the top of my head I can think of a few countries that are doing exact the same thing with Islam. Is Iran not a clerical fascist country? At least the Islamic Revolutionary Guard should be on the list. What about Saudi Arabia? Common guys the truth is the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.238.213 ( talk) 13:07, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
What about the Muslim Brotherhood? Its objective is to introduce "Sharia Law". What is Sharia Law if not clerical fascism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.238.213 ( talk) 13:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
USA groups seem hugely under represented on this topic. Liquidvisual ( talk) 15:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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In Jan. 1939, The Jewish National Monthly reports "the only bright spot in Italy has been the Vatican, where fine humanitarian statements by the Pope have been issuing regularly". When Mussolini's anti-Semitic decrees began depriving Jews of employment in Italy, Pius XI, on his own initiative, admitted Professor Vito Volterra, a famous Italian Jewish mathematician, into the Pontifical Academy of Science. * 'Scholars at the Vatican,' Commonweal, December 4, 1942, pp.187-188) 62.45.158.228 ( talk) 03:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
The part about Jews and Protestants dying in concentration camps implies this was done by the Italian Fascists when it was during German Nazi occupation when Catholics were likewise persecuted. Additionally Pope Pius XI objected to the racial laws which had nothing to do with clericalism and everything to do with Mussolini trying to strengthen ties with Nazi Germany after having thrown the Clerical Fascists of the Fatherland Front in Austria under the bus. 62.45.158.228 ( talk) 13:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I hope that we can reach a consensus on the subsection on Clerical Fascism in Italy, as it is now it is highly misleading. Mussolini passed the race laws to strengthen ties with Nazi Germany, not because of the Catholic Church which criticized the race laws. Additionally Jews die in concentration camps only after the Nazi occupation began in 1943. At the time the Vatican openly supported the resistance and Hitler was even considering a plan to kidnap the pope. The Holocaust in Italy therefore has nothing to do with Clerical Fascism. 62.45.158.228 ( talk) 14:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
The reliable sources agree that he was not a fascist....and the article itself is full of details. here are quotes from five reliable sources: 1) Carlos A. Cunha, (2010) states "A comparison of Salazar's dictatorship with German or Italian fascism shows that Portugal was not a fascist state." 2) Bernard Cook, (2001) states "he was not a fascist but rather an authoritarian conservative. " 3) Portuguese Studies Review - Volume 2 - Page 109 (1993) "an authoritarian or clerico-corporatist state not a fascist one." 4) António Costa Pinto - 1991 states "He was not a fascist, but a reactionary" 5) Fascism in Europe, 1919-1945 (Routledge Companions) by Philip Morgan (2002) states: "Lacking the impulse and will for wars of expansion, and the need, then, to organize their populations for war, where reasons why the authoritarian regimes of Salazar and Franco never became totalitarian.
The real Portuguese fascists were exiled. In 1934, Salazar exiled Francisco Rolão Preto as a part of a purge of the leadership of the Portuguese National Syndicalists, also known as the camisas azuis ("Blue Shirts"). Salazar denounced the National Syndicalists as "inspired by certain foreign models" (meaning German Nazism) and condemned their "exaltation of youth, the cult of force through direct action, the principle of the superiority of state political power in social life, [and] the propensity for organising masses behind a single leader" as fundamental differences between fascism and the Catholic corporatism of the Estado Novo.
Salazar's own party, the National Union, was formed as a subservient umbrella organisation to support the regime itself, and therefore did not have its own philosophy. At the time, many European countries feared the destructive potential of communism. Salazar not only forbade Marxist parties, but also revolutionary fascist-syndicalist parties. In 1934, Salazar exiled Francisco Rolão Preto as a part of a purge of the leadership of the Portuguese National Syndicalists, also known as the camisas azuis ("Blue Shirts"). Salazar denounced the National Syndicalists as "inspired by certain foreign models" (meaning German Nazism) and condemned their "exaltation of youth, the cult of force through direct action, the principle of the superiority of state political power in social life, [and] the propensity for organising masses behind a single leader" as fundamental differences between fascism and the Catholic corporatism of the Estado Novo. Salazar's own party, the National Union, was formed as a subservient umbrella organisation to support the regime itself, and therefore did not have its own philosophy. At the time, many European countries feared the destructive potential of communism. Salazar not only forbade Marxist parties, but also revolutionary fascist-syndicalist parties. [1]
The corporatist state had some similarities to Benito Mussolini's Italian fascism, but considerable differences in its moral approach to governing. [2] Although Salazar admired Mussolini and was influenced by his Labour Charter of 1927, [3] he distanced himself from fascist dictatorship, which he considered a pagan Caesarist political system that recognised neither legal nor moral limits. Salazar also viewed German Nazism as espousing pagan elements that he considered repugnant. Just before World War II, Salazar made this declaration: "We are opposed to all forms of Internationalism, Communism, Socialism, Syndicalism and everything that may divide or minimise, or break up the family. We are against class warfare, irreligion and disloyalty to one's country; against serfdom, a materialistic conception of life, and might over right." [4]
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The Arrow Cross cannot be properly counted as Clerical Fascism considering that it wanted the Catholic Church to cut ties with the Vatican and wanted to confiscate church lands. 83.128.99.144 ( talk) 10:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Why are there no examples of other religions. Of the top of my head I can think of a few countries that are doing exact the same thing with Islam. Is Iran not a clerical fascist country? At least the Islamic Revolutionary Guard should be on the list. What about Saudi Arabia? Common guys the truth is the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.238.213 ( talk) 13:07, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
What about the Muslim Brotherhood? Its objective is to introduce "Sharia Law". What is Sharia Law if not clerical fascism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.238.213 ( talk) 13:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
USA groups seem hugely under represented on this topic. Liquidvisual ( talk) 15:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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In Jan. 1939, The Jewish National Monthly reports "the only bright spot in Italy has been the Vatican, where fine humanitarian statements by the Pope have been issuing regularly". When Mussolini's anti-Semitic decrees began depriving Jews of employment in Italy, Pius XI, on his own initiative, admitted Professor Vito Volterra, a famous Italian Jewish mathematician, into the Pontifical Academy of Science. * 'Scholars at the Vatican,' Commonweal, December 4, 1942, pp.187-188) 62.45.158.228 ( talk) 03:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
The part about Jews and Protestants dying in concentration camps implies this was done by the Italian Fascists when it was during German Nazi occupation when Catholics were likewise persecuted. Additionally Pope Pius XI objected to the racial laws which had nothing to do with clericalism and everything to do with Mussolini trying to strengthen ties with Nazi Germany after having thrown the Clerical Fascists of the Fatherland Front in Austria under the bus. 62.45.158.228 ( talk) 13:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I hope that we can reach a consensus on the subsection on Clerical Fascism in Italy, as it is now it is highly misleading. Mussolini passed the race laws to strengthen ties with Nazi Germany, not because of the Catholic Church which criticized the race laws. Additionally Jews die in concentration camps only after the Nazi occupation began in 1943. At the time the Vatican openly supported the resistance and Hitler was even considering a plan to kidnap the pope. The Holocaust in Italy therefore has nothing to do with Clerical Fascism. 62.45.158.228 ( talk) 14:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
The reliable sources agree that he was not a fascist....and the article itself is full of details. here are quotes from five reliable sources: 1) Carlos A. Cunha, (2010) states "A comparison of Salazar's dictatorship with German or Italian fascism shows that Portugal was not a fascist state." 2) Bernard Cook, (2001) states "he was not a fascist but rather an authoritarian conservative. " 3) Portuguese Studies Review - Volume 2 - Page 109 (1993) "an authoritarian or clerico-corporatist state not a fascist one." 4) António Costa Pinto - 1991 states "He was not a fascist, but a reactionary" 5) Fascism in Europe, 1919-1945 (Routledge Companions) by Philip Morgan (2002) states: "Lacking the impulse and will for wars of expansion, and the need, then, to organize their populations for war, where reasons why the authoritarian regimes of Salazar and Franco never became totalitarian.
The real Portuguese fascists were exiled. In 1934, Salazar exiled Francisco Rolão Preto as a part of a purge of the leadership of the Portuguese National Syndicalists, also known as the camisas azuis ("Blue Shirts"). Salazar denounced the National Syndicalists as "inspired by certain foreign models" (meaning German Nazism) and condemned their "exaltation of youth, the cult of force through direct action, the principle of the superiority of state political power in social life, [and] the propensity for organising masses behind a single leader" as fundamental differences between fascism and the Catholic corporatism of the Estado Novo.
Salazar's own party, the National Union, was formed as a subservient umbrella organisation to support the regime itself, and therefore did not have its own philosophy. At the time, many European countries feared the destructive potential of communism. Salazar not only forbade Marxist parties, but also revolutionary fascist-syndicalist parties. In 1934, Salazar exiled Francisco Rolão Preto as a part of a purge of the leadership of the Portuguese National Syndicalists, also known as the camisas azuis ("Blue Shirts"). Salazar denounced the National Syndicalists as "inspired by certain foreign models" (meaning German Nazism) and condemned their "exaltation of youth, the cult of force through direct action, the principle of the superiority of state political power in social life, [and] the propensity for organising masses behind a single leader" as fundamental differences between fascism and the Catholic corporatism of the Estado Novo. Salazar's own party, the National Union, was formed as a subservient umbrella organisation to support the regime itself, and therefore did not have its own philosophy. At the time, many European countries feared the destructive potential of communism. Salazar not only forbade Marxist parties, but also revolutionary fascist-syndicalist parties. [1]
The corporatist state had some similarities to Benito Mussolini's Italian fascism, but considerable differences in its moral approach to governing. [2] Although Salazar admired Mussolini and was influenced by his Labour Charter of 1927, [3] he distanced himself from fascist dictatorship, which he considered a pagan Caesarist political system that recognised neither legal nor moral limits. Salazar also viewed German Nazism as espousing pagan elements that he considered repugnant. Just before World War II, Salazar made this declaration: "We are opposed to all forms of Internationalism, Communism, Socialism, Syndicalism and everything that may divide or minimise, or break up the family. We are against class warfare, irreligion and disloyalty to one's country; against serfdom, a materialistic conception of life, and might over right." [4]
The page is protected. Let me know how things go. Contact another administrator if I don't respond in a timely manner. Other admins should feel free to adjust the protection or take other measures as necessary. Tom Harrison Talk 21:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
The Arrow Cross cannot be properly counted as Clerical Fascism considering that it wanted the Catholic Church to cut ties with the Vatican and wanted to confiscate church lands. 83.128.99.144 ( talk) 10:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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@ Blackwater-Bradfield1900: I restored the example on the Anti-Abortion movement. The solution to a lack of citation is to find reliable secondary sources (which shouldn't be that difficult), not to remove the whole thing. 46.97.170.32 ( talk) 12:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)